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Are the rich smarter?

Why is it OK to be unusually rich but not unusually smart? John Derbyshire explores this question in the National Review.

His essay starts with an isnghtful observation: By and large, America’s public culture accepts unequal outcomes but feels uneasy about the notion of unequal potential. It defend the idea that some people can have gobs of money and others not so much on the premise that the wealthy worked hard for it or possessed certain qualities that made them especially deserving of that money.

And yet, even though intelligence is often an important component of that success, our public culture often pulls back from the idea that some people (so long as they’re not named Albert Einstein) are innately smarter than others. In the land where all people are created equal, we like to believe that it is opportunity (and industry) rather than innate ability that determines success; that it is culture rather than genetics that often separates the haves from the have-nots.
Of course, these two notions are in conflict.

It accepts the idea that some people have more than others because they possess certain advantages — the hopeful thought behind this is that that advantage is not innate and therefore inevitable but a function of social forces that might be changed. This still creates tension that the rich somehow deserve their unequal holdings.

Unless you’re John Derbyshire who argues:

Yet all those bits and pieces of truth together explain very little about social inequality. What mainly explains it is innate ability. U.S. society today is very nearly a pure meritocracy, perhaps the purest there has ever been. If you display any ability at all in your early years, you will be marked for induction into the overclass, especially if you belong to some designated victim group. (We preen ourselves endlessly — and pardonably — on how much more "inclusive" our present elites are than our past ones. This is one of the ways we avoid thinking about the necessity for any elite to be exclusive in some fashion.) There are still trust-fund kids, but they are not very consequential in this meritocracy.

Seek out the rich man in his castle: It is far more likely the case in the U.S.A. than anywhere else, and far more likely the case in the U.S.A. of today than at any past time, that he is from modest origins, and won his wealth fairly in the fields of business, finance, or the high professions. Seek out the poor man at his gate: It is likewise probable, if you track back through his life, that it will be one of lackluster ability and effort, compounded perhaps perhaps with some serious personality defect. I have two kids in school, eighth grade and tenth. I know several of their classmates. There are some fuzzy cases, but for the most part it is easy to see who is destined for the castle, who for the gate.

What do you think?

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Conservative/Liberal

My issue with the whole question has to do with the extent to which people reach these self-serving conclusions or use popular labling without really thinking about anything.

Derbyshire is no liberal. His views on this is not liberal at all. They are simply selfserving to the interest of rich folks justifying their success on the basis of their presumed greater intelligence.

Deborah's comment about personal responsibility is equally rediculous. Most rich folks got their money by inheritance. On rare occasion, in this society, does a person create real wealth in his own lifetime. It happens but not that often.

Well of these folks that are born into money, personal responsiblity dosen't have to be a norm for them. They can afford to be irresponsible in almost any way as long as they don't break the law or burn up all their advantage. Look at the Duke decendants. Look at the Kenndy decendents. They start off with such a cushion that it would take a lot to bring them down to the level of the masses of comon folks. Folks like Deborah want to act like poor folks are the only irresponsible folks. Some are and some aren't. The same can be said for the rich. What is true is that when poor folks are irresponsible they may need some sort of help to get back on their feet. That is what bothers Deborah. That is concervative and the opposit of the benevolent socitey that I think we aught to strive to be.

Until there is real proof, let's not presume the rich to be smarter or better than the poor. Derbyshire didn't provide any real proof. Let's understand, for example, that the SAT correlates most closelly with family wealth and not performance in college or native intelligence. Let's credit the rich for being rich but nothting more and let's all agree that "to whom much is GIVEN, much should be expected."

Are the rich smarter?

Well......that depends.

For those who inherit their wealth, who knows? Some are and some aren't.

Some use their good fortune and build on it to help others and to enhance society.

Others sit on their duffs with little worry but which plastic surgeon will be able to suction which gluttonous gut at any given time.

For those who make their own wealth, I would say that they most definitely are smarter than the average IQ walking around on the street.

However, what sets them apart are drive and outlook on life.

They are people who don't wait to be given anything.

Many Americans today expect a free ride from most individual responsibility.

They wouldn't know what it would be like to actually pull their own weight.

These are the people who are most envious of those of great wealth.

Wow......emphatic wow!

I am left nonplussed by the notion of John Derbyshire being characterized as a "liberal".

Derbyshire is an idiot

Reaching a conclusion without any evidence other than his projected assessments of his kids and their friends is a waste of digital ink. People like to validate their success with thoughts of innate intelligence so I must assume that he has done well in life.

 However, I heard a speaker recently who give a huge some for the building of a science center at a private school. He started his speach by saying that he wanted everyone to know how he came to have the means to be able to make such a contribution to his alma mater. He said that it stared when he had an apple that he sold and bought two apples which he sold and bought four apples that he sold. He said that this went on for months and years and years until finally his dad died and left him half a billion dollars. He said that is how you get rich in America. I loved his candor and his lack of pretence.

Success is success.  Innate intelligence is exactly that.   The relationship between the two is unclear.  In law school, there is a bromide that goes like this "the A students become law professors; the B students become Judges; and the C students make all the money." It is pretty much true, see former Senator Edwards -- an interesting asside about Obama is that he was an A student that chose a different path.

 Harvard before desegregation was essentially a finishing school for rich kids. Geroge Bush would be an example of what those "elite schools produced." To their credit, they are trying their best to get beyond wealth as a criteria. It is hard though. In the first half of the 20th century, they came up with the SAT sort of national testing idea. More recently that have realized that the test mainly correlates with wealth. Derbyshire would probably assume that wealth then is associated with innate intelligence. As I say, to their credit, theses schools have not been so easy on themselves and they are now down playing the test as a credential for admissions (Wake just made it optional).

Anyway, as I said, Derbyshire is an idiot.

Are Rich Smarter

Rich are smarter in the ways of obtaining money or had parents or grandparents who were.. This notion expressed by Derbyshire that people are not willing to acccept some are smarter than others is pure poppy-cock or he is one of those few who cannot acccept truth and assigns his feelings to whole population (typical liberal who cannot see the forrest for the trees)

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