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Wake PTA praising the weekly early dismissals

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A new Wake County PTA Council press release goes a bit further than just reminding parents about the new weekly early dismissals.

The stated goal of today's press release is to remind parents that the Wednesday early dismissals start tomorrow. But the press release also goes to praise how creating more time for professional learning communities "will help our schools meet the board’s goal of having all of our children achieve high growth and graduate on time, prepared for the future."

Sarah Martin, president of the Wake County PTA Council, was a member of the time committee that recommended the changes to the school board.

Here's the press release:

Wake PTA Council Reminds Parents July 8 is First Early Dismissal Wednesday
 
Wake County’s year-round schools will be the first to implement the system’s new early-dismissal schedule, designed to provide teachers with more time for collaboration. The new school schedule dismisses schools one hour early on Wednesdays. On six of those Wednesdays, schools will release 2.5 hours early.
 
The first day of the 2009-10 school year for our year-round schools falls on a Tuesday, which means the second day of school, Wednesday, July 8, will be an early dismissal day.
 
“We understand that this change in the schedule will take some time for parents to get used to, that’s why the Wake PTA Council wanted to take this opportunity to remind parents that the first early dismissal day will occur on the second day of the new school year,” said Sarah Martin, Wake PTA Council president. “We encourage our parents to take advantage of this opportunity to provide their children with additional learning opportunities.”
 
The Wake County Board of Education approved the changes to the 2009-10 school schedule to provide teachers with extra time to meet together in learning teams known as Professional Learning Communities (PLCs). To meet the state requirements of 180 days and 1,000 hours of instruction, 10 minutes have been added to the school day to make up for the time used in the PLCs.  PLCs help teachers improve instruction for all students by providing them the opportunity to meet in teams to discuss classroom strategies, individual student performance and best teaching practices. The six 2.5 hour sessions will be used for schoolwide faculty professional development.
 
“We know that when our teachers get the opportunity to meet across grade levels or subject areas to review instruction and look at ways to better meet the needs of their students, instruction for all students improves,” she said. “These changes in the schedule will help our schools meet the board’s goal of having all of our children achieve high growth and graduate on time, prepared for the future.”
 
Parents can view the complete bell schedule and the list of early release Wednesdays online at www.wcpss.net/2009-10-bell-schedule.html.
 

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Another point of view

Parents-
As a teacher, I can assure you that the schools are protecting these times to make sure we use them for data analysis and intervention assessment. This will definitley help your child receive the best education possible!
Isn't it worth 1 hour per week to ensure your child is being provided excellent, personalized instruction???

Well, maybe....

Did the teachers not do data analysis and intervention assessment before?

I'm skeptical because I don't see hundreds of other school districts doing this also.  If it was such a great idea, I would expect it to be widely adopted. 

Personally, I don't really care that much -- the impact is minimal to my family, and the only educational downside appears to be the loss of a negligable 10 minutes per week.  But, if this caused us more significant problems, I'd demand some hard evidence that this isn't just some lark that Del Burns, Ed.D., is embarking on to gain the approval of his buddies in the education ivory tower.

Please develop that skeptism

Did they not do data analysis and intervention? Not even close. They use data for nothing.

 You will begin to see school districts doing this. Wake doesn't really want to use data. I am not sure why they are doing this. They don't know how to use data and don't want to.

I know they made some data report and sent to schools that shows target scores for students, and they can use the target scores to see if classes are good or not. But the target scores are adjusted by race and income and many students' targets are to do far worse than they are currently doing because they are poor or minority and doing fine and they should be failing. They will probably use these data reports and try to get things back to the way they should be, where there is a huge achievement gap. This will be their first use of data.

 Nobody uses data. They don't know how. 

Not in private industry...

How many businesses would shut their doors and send their customers away during the traditional workday? Not too many, if they want to keep their customers! But the current school board just does not seem to "get it", or this idiotic plan would never have been proposed, much less implemented. And you watch- this hour will get sucked into 50 activities unrelated to "professional development". Yep, I'll be at the polls in October to help ensure a different school leadership for Wake County in 2010.

Shouldn't the PTA

care about the Parents as well?? I have not found one parent that thinks this is a good idea. We want to know how having less teaching time for our kids and more family scheduling hassles is really helping anyone. BTW, the teachers I know are not singing any praises either.

care about parents

It would be a good idea to use data, and would benefit the kids more than teaching time, but I can't imagine they will use data wisely because they don't know how.

 Please demand to have them tell you how they are using it.

If they have some target scores for kids, demand to see how they are derived. I have seen that some kids' targets are to score far lower than they are now.

Why don't they use EVAAS?

If we are going to lose teaching hours then there needs to be an external review of any data processes or data analyses. Lets demand an external review of whatever data they are using. 

they must be using math trailblazers again

adding 10 mins to each school day equals 50 mins a week. leaving early every wednesday takes away 60 mins. so we are short 10 mins of learning time a week.  so in a 180 day school year our children will lose 6 hours of learning time.  plus, the class size will be bigger now.   nothing gained for our children here.    is anyone else tired of this yet?   i hope to see you all in line to vote this school board out in October!!!!!!!!!!!

Trailblazers

I can't resist posting this after decades of teaching math and hearing parents say they can't help their children in advanced math after about 4 grade, and even successful college grads who were not math/sci majors saying they didn't understand a lick of math and hated it.

 But, they want math taught the same way it was taught to them.

Trailblazers is taught the way it is taught in the top track. Nearly all parents were not in the top track. They hate math and learned nothing but want math taught that same way to their kids. 

New math

I think it's even more than 6 hours lost.  180 days is 36 weeks.  Six of those weeks will have an additional 90 minutes of time lost due to early release, which totals up to 15 hours of classroom time lost.

This makes no sense.

new math off topic

This is kind of off topic...

 But New Math is what is taught in the top math track. It is critical thinking skills, pattern recognition, etc. In the late 60s, early 70s they decided to try to teach higher math to everyone. It wasn't new. There is nothing new about it.

 Trail blazers was designed to teach the higher level thinking skills to students, and lay the groundwork for preparation for success in advanced math. They assumed that the teachers who know nothing about math would teach the rote skills of arithmetic by giving worksheets, to supplement the text on critical thinking skills. But the teachers instead jumped around and did a few pages here and there in Trail Blazers, as is fine to do in some arithmetic skills book. And they quit teaching arithmetic facts because the book didn't waste ink on that.

The WCPSS math dept failed to teach the elementary school teachers how to use this curriculum.

 So, they are going back to books that teach the skills of a $2 calculator, and that allow teachers to skip all around and teach lessons out of order or not at all. 

Keep in mind that schools

Keep in mind that schools had four early release days last school year. That means two more of these half days this year.

The goal of adding 10 minutes wasn't to maintain the same amount of time. It was to allow them to have the early dismissals and still stay above the 1,000 hour mark.

Off-Topic

Apologize for jumping into the middle of the thread, but can someone tell me if there is a discussion forum, bulletin board, or similar meeting place for WCPSS parents to converse with each other, ask questions, stay abreast of ongoing issues, etc.? Thanks!

WSCA Facebook page

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=58239007577

WSCA (Wake Schools Community Alliance) has discussion threads going all the time among its Facebook members. I believe there is talk about an online chat feature to be added onto their website (www.wakesca.org) this summer.

 

Huge Class Sizes

I have been hearing all day about huge class sizes at many of the schools. I have heard numbers as high as 30, 31, 32 students in 4th and 5th grade classes.
I know what they are raising the limit on class size, but can they legally go as high as 32 students?

They can hit 32 in grades

They can hit 32 in grades 4-5 as long as they asked for a waiver ahead of time. Just about every school in the state asks for a waiver for grades 4-12 as part of their school improvement plan. It's only grades K-3 that you can't ask for a waiver ahead of time. Even then, the state is being more flexible due to the budget.

 contact

 contact ASchauss@dpi.state.nc.us Alexis Schauss--she's who I dealt with last year on class sizes and know that WCPSS is already "on watch" for too many waivers requested--- A. Local boards of education must maintain a LEA- wide class size average no higher than the class size ratio of teachers to students of the following: Kindergarten 1 to 21 Grade 1 1 to 21 Grade 2 1 to 21 Grade 3 1 to 21 Grade span 4-9 1 to 26 Grade span 10-12 1 to 29 NOTE: Charter schools are exempt from class size and teacher daily load requirements. B. During the first two months of school, no class size maximum requirements exist as long as the LEA-wide class size average maximums for each grade or grade span are not exceeded. At the end of the second school month and for the remainder of the school year, the size of an individual class may exceed the LEA-wide ratio by three students so long as the LEA-wide average class size maximums not exceeded. Therefore, individual class size ratio maximums are: Kindergarten 1 to 24 Grade 1 1 to 24 Grade 2 1 to 24 Grade 3 1 to 24 Grade span 4-9 1 to 29 Grade span 10-12 1 to 32 When a class contains a combination of grades for more than one grade span, the maximum class size will be determined by the grade span classification which constitutes the majority in the class. Example: If the membership of the class is composed of 15 students classified as ninth graders and 16 students classified as tenth and/or eleventh graders, the maximum class size would be the maximum allowable for grades 10-12. When teachers are assigned students in a team-teaching setting, each teacher in the team is considered to be responsible for an equal number of students in the class, regardless of how frequently the teacher actually teaches. Page 33 of 67   C. Teachers in grades 7 through 12 must be assigned teaching responsibilities during the course of the school day for no more than 150 students from the fifteenth day of the school year through the end of the school year. A teacher's daily load is determined by summing the size of each individual academic class for which the teacher is assigned teaching responsibility. Only those teachers with a daily contact load of students exclusively in the seventh grade or above are subject to the daily student load maximum. D. If individual class size exceeds 24 in grades K, 1, 2, or 3, 29 students in grade span 4-9, or 32 students in grade span 10-12 at the end of the second school month and for the remainder of the school year, or if a teacher's daily load exceeds 150 students (grades 7-12) after the 15th school day, the local board has the responsibility to follow the steps set forth in G.S. 115C-301(g) and G.S.115C-47(10). E. Study halls and homerooms are not counted when calculating average LEA-wide class size average or teacher daily load. (All other classes are to be included in the calculation of LEA-wide class size averages.) F. Maximum size for physical education classes shall be 50 students as long as the effectiveness of the instructional program is not impaired. (Health classes and classes designated as Health and Physical Education are subject to normal maximums.) The maximum daily load for teachers with five classes of physical education would be 250 students. G. Two classes of up to 29 students each may be simultaneously scheduled for elementary physical education. The resulting physical education class may have no more than 58 students. When such a class is organized, a second participating adult must be assigned to help manage it. The second adult may be a teacher or a teacher assistant. H. The above class size and daily load limits do not apply to music performance ensembles (Vocal Music, Orchestra, Band, and Jazz Ensemble). I. Class size and daily load maximums apply to all teachers, including those which are state, federally, and locally funded. J. Teachers employed in vocational education, exceptional children, remediation, instructional support, etc., should be used to meet class size requirements when the school is determining its organization and teacher workload. Their classes are subject to all class size and teacher daily load maximums. Page 34 of 67   II. INITIAL REPORTING OF CLASS SIZE Under the provisions of G.S. 115C-301(f) and G.S. 115C-47(10): A. Class size and teacher daily load exceptions will be identified and reported via the School Activity Report (SAR). A school's SAR will be transmitted one week following the transmission of the school's Principal's Monthly Report for the second school month. B. All class size and teacher daily load overages not allowed by a waiver must be corrected by the LEA. Corrections may be made by reorganization of classes, by correcting inaccurate data at the school level, or by requesting a class size waiver under the ABCs program or exceptions waiver from the State Board of Education (see III. and IV. below). Corrected class size and teacher daily load data should be retransmitted. Class size and teacher daily load overages in schools without waivers will be called to the attention of the State Board of Education. C. The State Board will report all allotment adjustments and waivers permitted to the Office of State Budget and Management and the General Assembly by May 15 of each year. III. ALLOTMENT ADJUSTMENTS OR WAIVERS DUE TO EXCESS CLASS SIZE Under the provisions of G.S. 115C-301(g) and 115C-47(10): A. The Department of Public Instruction is authorized to review and respond to, on the State Board's behalf, an LEA's request for a waiver of class size requirements for individual classes or an LEA's request for a waiver of teacher daily load requirements. B. Local boards of education are responsible for assuring the class size and teacher daily load requirements set forth in G.S. 115C-301 are met. Any teacher who believes the requirements of G.S. 115C-301 have not been met shall make a report to the principal and superintendent. The superintendent shall immediately determine whether the requirements have in fact not been met. If the superintendent determines the requirements have not been met, he/she shall make a report to the next local board of education meeting. The local board of education shall take action to meet the requirements of the statute. If the local board cannot organizationally correct the exception and if any of the conditions set out below are met, it shall immediately apply to the State Board of Education for additional personnel or waiver from the standards set above. The Individual Class Size Waiver form can be located on the Financial and Business Services’ Web page www.ncpublicschools.org/fbs/accounting/forms/ .  

Wake School Board Must Go!!!!

This is another stupid idea dreamed up by a school board that is completely out of touch with the needs of students, parents, or faculty members.

I dream of a day when institutions like the Wake County School Board and Wake PTA actually represent the people they supposedly serve for a change. Let's hope that day comes in October.

Whose PTA?

If they don't use data or learn to use it, then the rich white students will dominate all advanced courses, since they get placed there because they are rich and white. They are not the high scoring students.

 I am not sure who the PTA represents. Would they want the use of data? 

latch key kids

All this does is create more latch key kids. I know schools are not a babysitting service but letting kids out 1 hr early 1 day a week does not leave many solutions for parents to get after school care for that 1 hr. Many teachers I know say they do have inservice team meetings and don't really need this extra time and many don't even come in on teacher work days. If they really needed the time they would show up on these days.

Great job PTA...no lapdogs needed

What about the families that have 2 working parents? How does this help our children get a better education? Just give the teachers some more time for meetings. It would be better to add more "in service" days than this half-baked solution. Or, maybe the teachers can go home earlier. This is NOT helpful to our families or our children.

Hah care about working parents...

For 2 parent working families school has been a rough ride and this just makes it even a tad bit rougher.  With Wake County you either need to have a flexible job, an understanding boss or both.  Definetely more latch key kids and more chance for kids to make "wrong" choices.   I think they sit there thinking that every kids has a Mom or Dad sitting there waiting for the child to walk through the door and do extra educational experiences.  Would be nice but no realistic....

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