Wake County Republican Party Chairwoman Susan Bryant is explaining why they won't endorse Jennifer Mansfield in her bid for the school board or any 'pretend' unaffiliateds.
In the GOP's Elephant Express e-newsletter sent out today, Bryant relates the phone conversation she had with Mansfield earlier this year about the party's endorsement in the District 3 race. Bryant said Mansfield told her she was a registered unaffiliated voter who "leaned more to the Democrat Party" and "really felt more comfortable with many Democrat issues" while also being "a strong advocate for neighborhood schools."
Bryant writes that she told Mansfield they "would be happy to consider her if she would change her voter registration" to Republican. But Bryant writes that Mansfield "immediately responded she would not do that, and I thanked her for calling."
Bryant writes that she felt the need to explain what happened because Mansfield is talking about not having gotten the GOP endorsement. Bryant writes that "this is true."
"We don’t plan to endorse anyone who 'leans' more Democrat than Republican," Bryant writes. "In fact we don’t plan to endorse anyone who is not a Registered Republican. We don’t need 'pretend' unaffiliateds. We want and will have Registered Republicans as our endorsed candidates."
The GOP did endorse an unaffiliated voter in the District 7 race in 2009. But that's only because their initial choice, Jerry Ballan, withdrew from the race so they changed their endorsement to Deborah Prickett, who registered as a Republican after the election.
Bryant writes that they won't begin the endorsement process until the filing period closes. But it's expected they'll endorse Heather Losurdo, the former head of the Northern Wake Republican Club.
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"You can rest assured the Wake GOP endorsement will carry great weight, and won’t be given without careful thought AND Republican Registration for those candidates," Bryant writes.
During the newsletter, Bryant also gets in a dig at the old school board for having scheduled classes for year-round students on Memorial Day in 2009.
"And, as we celebrate Memorial Day this weekend, we are reminded of the previous Wake County School Board who kept our children in school on this important holiday so the teachers could get the day before Thanksgiving off," Bryant writes. "Thank goodness we elected common sense Republicans to the School Board who understand how important the Day of Memory is for all of us…when we have a chance to honor those who have made the ultimate sacrifice to keep our nation free. Let us make sure our children join all of us in honoring our fallen servicemen and servicewomen."

Comments
Question for Woodstock
Sun, 05/29/2011 - 12:20 — Dove314Do you live in District 3? Or are you in a different district and attempting, with all your rhetoric, to "swift boat" Jen(man) to those in Wake who live in District 3 because you prefer an Orthodox Republican?
Rumored...
Sun, 05/29/2011 - 17:18 — valsparIts rumored that Woody lives about as dead center in the grips of District 7 as one can get.....
I live in Wake County and I
Sun, 05/29/2011 - 13:08 — woodstockI live in Wake County and I am "attempting" to remind everyone what the mission is if they support family-friendly, achievement-focused school board members. The decisions the board members make impact everyone in the county and I want to see to it that the folks that are elected will help facilitate the change I and many others seek... on the student assignment and achievement issues and other issues that that will emerge over time.
Again, ALL Democrat BoE members past and present supported the status quo. ALL of them, without fail. The Democrat platform on education in Wake County is being led by Barber, Brannon, Bader and Wright... and Mansfield leans toward the Democrats on issues. Unless you support the status quo, it is pretty clear that Losurdo is the candidate of choice in District 3.
As for the silly "swift boat" allegation, that is completely inappropriate and not worth commenting on.
So not in District 3 then
Sun, 05/29/2011 - 20:38 — Dove314So not in District 3 then. Makes sense given you've mentioned voting in the last election. Have always gotten the impression you are in Prickett's district.
Why does it matter to you?
Mon, 05/30/2011 - 08:43 — woodstockWhy does it matter to you? My comments are about the issues and elections which impact everyone in the county.
Why?
Mon, 05/30/2011 - 09:25 — Dove314Because it is somewhat like when people from outside of Wake try to tell Wake Citizens what they should do. There is nothing to stop you from telling people in D3 what you suggest/want/ insist/demand them to do but ultimately, you are not in D3. As a result, the only option you have is to try to cast aspersions on those candidates who are not Orthodox Republicans and try to paint your Orthodox Republican as the seventh wonder to D3 as you don't get to vote in that district. Knowing this point gives context to your posts. Sideburns is, to her credit, in D8 so seeks to understand who is running in her own district, D8, and with what support given she is a voter there.
Board members represent the
Mon, 05/30/2011 - 12:43 — woodstockBoard members represent the school system, not just the districts that elected them (in fact, two districts have BoE members who were not even elected, but rather were appointed)... when they vote on matters, the outcomes of those votes affect the entire system, not just the districts they represent. Heck, there are a lot of students who attend school in districts they do not live in. So to claim I am only allowed to comment on matters that pertain to the district I live in is preposterous and, frankly, disengenuous.
FYI: I have "cast aspersions" on no candidate, I've only questioned what their motives/loyalties may be and what decisions they may make when it matters and they are under pressure.
Again. only Respublican BOE members who have supported and facilitated the family-friendly, achievement-focused changes that the public demanded and that are noit finally being realized. ALL Democrat BOE -- past and present -- have supported the failed status quo, forced-busing policies promoted by Barber, Gatewood, Brannon, Bader, Martin and Wright.
Neglecting to mention
Mon, 05/30/2011 - 14:56 — Dove314What you neglect to include but which many here have repeatedly noted is that many Republicans on the BoE supported the same policies for many, many years. Since that would undercut the slant you are trying to portray, I can see why you would conveniently leave that out of your statements.
And while each BoE member represents the county overall, they are also specifically there to represent the viewpoints of those in their District. Hence Ms. Prickett's specific attentions to Leesville, Mr. Sutton's specific attentions to Southeast Raleigh; Mr. Malone's specific attentions to Rolesville; Ms. McLaurin's specific attentions to her combination of ITB and nearby; Mr. Tedesco's specific attentions to Garner; and Ms. Goldman's specific attentions to Cary. There is very likely to be a focus during the campaign on how well Mr. Hill has represented those living in D3 even more than how he has represented "Wake County".
No slant from me. Not one
Mon, 05/30/2011 - 15:16 — woodstockNo slant from me. Not one Democrat BoE member has ever voted for or supported anything other than the status quo, forced-busing policies promoted by the Democrat Party and their education spokespersons Barber, Gatewood, Brannon, Bader and Martin ... and only Republicans have ever voted for or supported the family-friendly, achievement-focused changes that are being implemented now. I am not sure why you keep trying to deny that as it is as clear as day to anyone who is even remotely paying attention.
As for D3, Hill will be judged on his performance in D3 as well as his approach to dealing with system-wide issues. Fortunately for him, the opposition votes will be split, which could lead to him retaining his seat on the board.
Wow, the GOP does not back
Fri, 05/27/2011 - 07:23 — woodstockWow, the GOP does not back Mansfield. Shocking! LOL Do they also not support the ideals of other left-"leaning" folks like Stan Norwalk, Charles Meeker or Rev. Barber? But it is nice to see that the status quo, pro forced-busing crowd does support her as evidenced by some of the posts here. What does that say? WSCA and Goldman fooled us once before, it won't happen again.
Well...
Fri, 05/27/2011 - 08:29 — Bob_SconceThere's a false equivalence for you. You know that I can do the same thing with the Republican party.
I won't argue that they
Fri, 05/27/2011 - 08:36 — woodstockI won't argue that they didn't made a mistake (a huge one) with Goldman too, but they are not endorsing the admitted Democrat Jennifer Mansfield. (FYI the Democrats support the status quo, forced busing policies and Rev. Barber.)
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Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:52 — Bob_SconceShe's unaffiliated. Heck, I lean D on a few issues as well; the size of the cuts to public education being one of them. There's no way I'm going to go get arrested with Barber, but he and I are vaguely on the same side WRT public education budget cuts. I ran through a list of bills introduced by Republicans in the GA, and I disagreed with about 1/3rd of them. (And, about 1/2 of those were because the bill didn't adhere to conservative principles.)
The world is not black and white with Barber, Bader, and Brennan in one corner, and Losurdo, Palin and Stam in the other.
Sure....Mansfield has been
Fri, 05/27/2011 - 08:39 — danofncSure....Mansfield has been railing against all of those things for years as a clever subterfuge to get elected to the BoE, where she will then vote for them all.
The jig is up, I guess.
I agree, the jig is indeed
Fri, 05/27/2011 - 09:28 — woodstockI agree, the jig is indeed up and true colors are being revealed for both WSCA and Mansfield who both side with the Democrat Party... the party of the status quo, forced busing and Rev. Barber. Not a single Democrat has voted for any of the changes that are needed in Wake County to bring about increased achievement and better student- and family-friendly policies; in fact, they have fought admamantly against those changes. Why would anyone expect that to change now?
Interplanetary communication
Fri, 05/27/2011 - 13:09 — SDR256As your logic runs in the above post, WSCA was FOR forced busing? What planet were you on when that seemed like it made any sense? Anyone who has been reading the blogs for any length of time, and for that matter the extreme partisans on the left who put together the conspiracy packet surmising that WSCA has super conservative motivations, will write you off completely after this.
I know you want to discount WSCA and that you're afraid we'll play as key a role in this election as in last election. Fine. But can't you come up with something more convincing? I'm almost a little embarrassed for you.
I am confindent that we still have friends who are Democrats and friends who are Republican who see, with balanced views what has really transpired. Do you really think you will convince any of them with your obvious fantasies? Or are you just trying to flame the fires of the extreme right? I can't figure out what you think you're doing.
I guess the extremes in both political parties - and I count your postings as extreme right - were so surprised at having the power taken out of the their hands in the last election (and put into the hands of citizens in the middle) that now, unable to make those same citizens obey to the letter of the political laws, they both must try to paint the picture as something dark and wicked from the other camp. (you realize I'm putting the post above into the same extreme camp as those who wrote up that 'crazy' packet that was sent a few month ago). Its really amazing to see how narrow a definition of 'morality' either extreme really has.
SDR -- I asked you in a
Fri, 05/27/2011 - 20:19 — virginiadareSDR -- I asked you in a previous thread, but you never answered. Exactly what was extreme or crazy or inaccurate in that packet (except maybe that neither you nor Sideburns "outed" yourselves)? I had absolutely nothing to do with the preparation or distribution of the packet and have no idea who did, but I have read it. It seemed to have documenting evidence of "pay to play" as well as of some individuals benefitting personally from decisions made, but no conspiracy. I wish it would be more widely distributed so more people would know exactly what is going on. I have never said WSCA was "dark" or "evil", but I have said that if you value public education, it is very dangerous to align with groups like WCTA and many Republicans who do not share that value and are working to denigrate and devalue if not completely dismantle it, as many prominant Republicans (including John Hood and Paul Stam) have publically advocated.
Virginia, pay to play
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 18:19 — DrActualFactualVirginia, pay to play evidenced by Dems or Repubs? That seems to be a pretty strong suggestion to make.
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Sat, 05/28/2011 - 21:38 — SideburnsI had absolutely nothing to do with the preparation or distribution of the packet and have no idea who did, but I have read it.
How were you able to read it? Which one of your friends received and/or wrote it?
The return address on the envelope was the same address as the Cameron Village Library. One of those crazy magnet/ITB people I guess.
I did answer
Fri, 05/27/2011 - 22:40 — SDR256I did answer, Virginiadare - and I care about whether you really hear my answer. What I said was that there were points of fact that were true but the whole premise, the whole conspiracy of what was my motivation, what was the motivation of the group was complete bull. Please go look up my response. I do care enough to have responded to you.
Let me share a secret with you. WSCA started something - call it what you want to call it. I think it was an uprising from the middle. The Republicans saw it as a fast moving train with some common goals. There were some candidates who resonated with the message of these middle voters. From OUR point of view, they happened to be Unaffiliated and Republican, and then all Republican. (in hindsight i wish there had been even one Democrat who would have been willing to stand up to the Democratic machine in power on the board then). The Republican party was elated to have such an uprising that they could then call their own. We were happy to have anyone join.
I heard from several key shakers in the Republican party that they were so happy to have our association. I can only imagine now, how happy they might have been.
My husband and I have made personal choices that we never imagined we would have to defend here on this blog, in a very narrow space of understanding. Should I write a paper to fully help you understand our personal choices? Let me ask you this. Would you claim that you adhere to the last letter the political aspirations of the principal of your children's school? Or, how about this question: To what political party would you assign the best interests of your children any day of the week? If either one of these is a 'hmmm, wait a minute, that sounds like a tricky question' then maybe you can understand my point of view. This is what I have tried to explain about the 'levels of grey'. The moment we try to paint each other 'black' or 'white' is a lost moment of understanding.
If I have not answered your questions fully I most heartedly ask you to ask Keung for my email. I will be happy to talk with you by phone or email to answer any questions you have for me.
Thank you for your
Sat, 05/28/2011 - 16:21 — virginiadareThank you for your response. I must have missed it when the post went "below the fold". So you agree that the points made were factual, but just think the dots weren't connected properly? I'm sure there are shades of gray, and that some at WSCA do value public education, but I still maintain that it is very dangerous to align with and even associate with people who do not agree, like Kent Misegedes for example, who has admitted he wants to do away with "government schools" completely. That will only serve to bring down the institution and the system, and I do believe that is the very intent of many who have joined forces with your group. Others, as the packet indicated, are in it only to enrich themselves. All the negative campaigning and publicity, much of it inaccurate, put out by your group has only served to hurt the entire community. Even Superintendent Tata has found it necessary to try to undo the damage by reiterating the fact that we have had a very good system, as you were successful in convincing much of the public to the contrary.
And FYI, there was NEVER a "Democratic machine" in power on the school board. All of the Republicans on the board I can remember over the past several decades, except for Ron, agreed with and voted for the major policies enacted, particularly those which involved maintaining balanced schools. Just as many Republicans as Democrats chaired the board over the years, maybe even more. It was truly a nonpartisan board, until this last election.
Facts and details
Sat, 05/28/2011 - 20:37 — SDR256Without going into the thing page by page point by point which is impossible to do here, I'll just generally state that the whole thing was total propaganda. Everyone at WSCA values public education. Otherwise, uh, why would we be so involved elections for BoE? If you're implying that the intent of all that effort on our part was to bring down the public school system I hope you'll take a minute to think about just how bizarre that sounds. I am aware that there are people out in the public who may have that goal, but no one who is a member of our group. I don't know who or what enriching your referring to. No one involved in WSCA ever made a penny and in fact a lot of personal funds and time were spent. If you're referring to the Luddy schools they are non-profit. Mr. Luddy had NOTHING to do with WSCA other than to write some generous checks. He was but one from many walks of life who joined the mix of WSCA supporters. He might be a lightening rod for leftist conspiracy theorists, but he isn't a member of WSCA. These are all very unassociated fragments and the thesis of all the connections was nothing short of paranoid. I'm really surprised that someone was clearly educated as yourself would buy the premise.
As for the 'damage' you claim we are responsible to the school system I beg to differ. I'm sorry that it was uncomfortable and unpopular, but our group uncovered a lot of hidden dirt that the former system was conveniently hiding from the public which revealed that our system was no where near as good - especially in serving ED kids - as the public had been lead to believe. The public would never have been aware of the dismal graduation rate of ED kids. Should we have kept it to ourselves? Everyone was given the pablum that busing was doing all this good and the data showed the opposite. Should ED kids have continued to fail behind the scenes, far from view, just so everyone could feel good? How do you think that ever would have come to light if it hadn't been for efforts of our members? Don't you think the public has a right to know what their getting for their tax dollars? What about the SAS report? That was a HUGE scandal and the Superintendent had been sitting on it for about six months. We got that out into public circulation. It was necessary for the public to fully see the extent of system's misconduct with regard to ED and minority kids based on what was in that report. Necessary so it could be fixed. I'm sorry if it upset your idea of the ideal but it was the truth and a lot of ED and minority kids whose test scores showed their ability are taking Algebra today because of that report seeing the light of day.
No, I'm not implying that
Sun, 05/29/2011 - 18:02 — virginiadareNo, I'm not implying that the intent of WSCA was to bring down public education, but that you joined forces with those who wanted to do just that. I do not believe that most who were involved with WSCA put forth all that effort for altruistic reasons or to support public education, but that they did so for personal gain. Each of the newly-elected board members immediately and without (or even against) public input voted to put into place policies that would benefit them personally, particularly regarding assignments and calendar changes. They even voted against what a majority of parents surveyed had told them they wanted, simply to satisfy supporters! Other supporters stood directly to gain financially by decisions made such as changing the site of the H6 high school and significantly increasing the sole use of EVAAS. That the packet exposed those associations has evidently made you feel uncomfortable.
The former system hid nothing from the public. In fact, the extreme-right group Civitas did a study which showed WCPSS to be the most transparent district in the state. The unprecedented Curriculum Audit was commissioned by the former superintendent specifically to reveal any weaknesses the system might have so that they could be corrected. The results were released to the public, warts and all. The administration and board were working systematically through action steps suggested by the audit to decrease the achievement gap and increase equity. Those efforts were paying off, as indicated by improved metrics -- including but not limited to graduation rates -- among the ED population last year. AdvancEd found that the new board members refused to believe the data indicating such. Talk about propaganda!!! Objective criteria for placing students into Algebra had already been put into place and efforts were being made to increase the numbers of ED students in those classes, just as efforts had been made to increase the numbers of girls in those classes in years before with great success, as shown by greatly increased SAT scores in math. THAT is the type of information that was "hidden", or at any rate, not publicized sufficiently. The reason CMS almost caught up with WCPSS with achievement for ED kids (not for any other groups!) was because of the millions and millions of extra local dollars they invested into their weighted staffing for their newly created very high poverty schools. That's what it took for them to get their ED kids to roughly the same level as ours, when we were spending millions of dollars less. Do you think those gains will be maintained now that many of those schools are being closed and they no longer have the money for weighted staffing?
And there was no "scandal" regarding the SAS report. The superintendent did not "sit" on it. He referred it to the head of E&R. There was and is much controversy surrounding the use of EVAAS for making high-stakes decisions involving students and teachers. Did you read the article by the mathematician I linked to earlier regarding the flaws in EVAAS and how it is being used incorrectly? In any case, the system was already beginning to use much of the data provided by EVAAS. From what I have read, even William Sanders was dismayed by the leaking of his letter and report to be used for negative campaigning while E&R was in the process of evaluating what he said and responding to him. The EI that had been devised by employees of WCPSS and used for almost two decades was completely mischaracterized by WSCA and their supporters, leading to the loss of a tool that helped to compare apples to apples and treat teachers fairly. At any rate, a dispute between statisticians that most lay people could not understand was used unfairly. Chaboard, who clearly understands statistics, has had many posts on this blog explaining the differences in EVAAS and the EI, which was never used in any way to place kids in Algebra classes, as much of the public was led to believe.
There has also been much controversy over how to place kids into eighth grade algebra. It can be detrimental to place them too early, before they are ready, as Montgomery County (Md.) has learned. After getting to the point where they had a greater percentage of all students taking Algebra I in eighth grade than most of the nation, they are now backing off, after seeing that many ended up having trouble in high school math. Again, it is not as cut and dried as your side has made it out to be. WCPSS was on the right path, making improvements, until the new board majority came into power and stopped the progress dead in its tracks with measures such as taking away the designated time for all teachers to participate in PLT's, which had shown definite progress in increasing achievement for individual students in all demographic groups. I'm so glad that Superintendent Tata has realized how successful WCPSS has been and the imperative of preventing the creation of high poverty schools in order to continue progress.
I dare you virginiadare
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 13:01 — SDR256My my. Now I'm wondering the same thing Sideburns is wondering. Just what is your role in this? Seems a lot more influential and informed than just a regular old parent/voter. You seem pretty front and center to all the issues and they are very personal to you. Well, be that as it may, here is my final response on this topic. I don't appreciate your taking the opportunity to air your unfounded suspicions here. I cannot fully defend what can only be talked about obliquely. If you really want to come to some level of understanding about this, my offer to contact me directly is still open.
"That the packet exposed those associations has evidently made you feel uncomfortable."
The packet made me uncomfortable because the presumed associations and motivations were false. I told you that already.
"Again, it is not as cut and dried as your side has made it out to be."
And I'll ask you to think that maybe you may be guilty of exactly what you are offended by here. You're interpretation that a deeper understanding wasn't achieved is insulting to you, and yet you are trying to pigeon-hole me and the organization without a deeper understanding. Only....there is a small difference that is very important to me. I understand that you take these issues personally. But - has anyone ever done a personal investigation of your family and background to pull it together into a vast political espionage scheme? Its really quite a different experience I can tell you. I hope you'll agree that I have a right to be 'uncomfortable' about that. I have never run for office nor do I EVER intend to. I am a private citizen, or used to be... would prefer to be as you so comfortably are able to enjoy. Are you in office? Are you in education? Tell us something about yourself VirginiaDare. I dare you - like your address. How comfortable would you be to post that here? It would be equivalent to just a small part of what I and others 'fingered' in that packet endured. You know an awful lot about me now, or THINK you do. I know nothing about you. I really think you should call or write and identify yourself. What was your spouse's name? I missed that detail. Oh, and you're children's school. Please include that in your correspondence so I can get a much clearer vision of who I am talking to.
And if you would be so kind as to include the name of your friend who shared that packet with you I will have much more faith in your intentions to open dialog and not just to take pot shots.
Do you understand the difference or will you intentionally choose to remain obtuse?
"I'm so glad that Superintendent Tata has realized how successful WCPSS has been and the imperative of preventing the creation of high poverty schools in order to continue progress."
Good. At least we can agree that his appointment was a positive step toward bridge building. Now please stop trying to chip away at my good intentions of engaging you.
This thread has been pretty enlightening.
Tue, 05/31/2011 - 17:58 — WhalerCaneI lot of the heat and issues we face get down to questioning each others intentions. Generally, nothing good ever comes of that.
Not accurate to imply that the old Board and Administration had anything but the best intentions despite their sometimes tone deafness and lack of transparency.
Not really helpful to question the intentions of the WSCA and the new board despite rash actions.
We can keep down the bomb throwing path that some on this Board keep pushing, or work to find common ground. Superintendent Tata's job is not easy, but he should be commended working to keep all our eyes on the prize.
Referee
Wed, 06/01/2011 - 01:21 — SDR256Oh thanks for playing referee wc. You've reiterated my points and gotten Virginiadare off the hook. I would have been embarrassed of course if she'd actually taken my illustrative dare. I hope her silence indicates she understands my point. However, I would have wished for a bigger gesture of understanding than simply silence.
"It was truly a nonpartisan
Sat, 05/28/2011 - 16:55 — woodstock"It was truly a nonpartisan board, until this last election."
And how did that work out for us? It created low graduation rates --- especially for the most vulnerable students, -- appalling discriminatory practices, constant reassignments, unnecessary burdens, and pointlessly long bus rides.
You seem to be endorsing partisanship... it is an excellent point. Maybe it took partisanship to finally facilitate the long-overdue family-friendly, achievement-focused change that is occuring.
It worked like a septic tank being drained
Sun, 05/29/2011 - 18:15 — FSandYOUHow many millions have been squandered on the operation of under enrolled forced year round schools? Unfortunately Mr. Tata has decided to continue that policy after he gave many false hope that the light had actually been seen. Oh well, at least we have the BLUE plan to now look forward to and the chaos it will bring. As well as the higher transportation costs no doubt.
Oh and someday, if we can have enough patience long enough, the 2/3rds of us waiting for middle and high school assignment info might actually see that.
Happy Memorial Day everyone. Come Tuesday the games will begin. Again.
I agree
Fri, 05/27/2011 - 22:46 — WhalerCaneGrey is reality, B/W is fanciful crack. :-)
Have a happy and safe Memorial Day weekend.
Well, thanks but
Fri, 05/27/2011 - 22:57 — SDR256Well, thanks WC but I have to think you at least know who was responsible for that packet. :(
BTW, my comment about the wish for a dem candidate would probably gain me some friends on the steering committee and some who would tell me I was just as naive as ever. In fact that's one of the great things about our dialog. We help each other find our way through the political quagmire to the best answer available at the moment - on the issue. And this, I have slowly come to understand is a VERY important distinction. WSCA is issue based. Some see that as a wider opportunity.
Cross my heart, hope to die,
Fri, 05/27/2011 - 23:09 — WhalerCaneStick a needle in my eye.
I have no idea about the packet you speak, nor have I ever even seen it.
As well, even though I can guess, unlike sideburns, I am not quite sure who you are.
I have consistently told my own people, despite G5 acting pretty much in lock step with Art Pope since they were elected, that Art's money had little to do with what happened, that it was tone deafness of current admin and board, that it was WCSA which pushed it over the top, and that election was a mandate because even if low, turnout was twice what it was before.
That said, it is wrong for any BoE member to make any decision based on campaign promises over data.
That said, it is wrong for
Sat, 05/28/2011 - 01:11 — woodstockThat said, it is wrong for any BoE member to make any decision based on campaign promises over data.
Yet EVERY single Democrat BoE member past and present ignored the data, refused to seek more data even after the public demanded it, and followed the status quo Democrat party line... the line that is now led by the charlatans and race-hustlers Reverends Barbar and Gatewood, Yevonne Brannon and Call Wright.
WSCA was indeed one of the factors in '09, but they forgot, or never really understood to begin with, what their strength was. It was not just what they used to stand for, but who they partnered. Now, however, they've turned they backs on their former partners and, rather than gaining power and relevance, they have chosen diminish their significance and to play politics rather than to focus on the mission they claimed to stand for.
got it wrong again
Sat, 05/28/2011 - 01:36 — SDR256What? no. We haven't turned our back on anyone. You seem to want to work on severing the ties with WSCA, or gnaw on them or whatever it is you think you're doing. You want to paint it a certain way.
The Republican party was looking for a candidate. They knew long ago that Jennifer was interested. In fact, they commissioned Heather herself to encourage Jennifer to run on their ticket. She didn't want to sign up to be Republican. So, Heather decided to run as well. All of these events had nothing to do with WSCA. As well documented on this blog, many people knew of Jennifer's intention to run. She is a founding member of WSCA.
We endorsed her. It was simple and straightforward. I don't see the playing politics that you do. I don't see the severing ties that you do. But like I've suggested before, maybe you should get a new set of lenses through which to see the world.
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Sat, 05/28/2011 - 09:38 — SideburnsThe Republican party was looking for a candidate. They knew long ago that Jennifer was interested. In fact, they commissioned Heather herself to encourage Jennifer to run on their ticket. She didn't want to sign up to be Republican. So, Heather decided to run as well.
Wait a minute. The Republican Chair just announced that Mansfield called the party to ask for their endorsement/support and the Republicans said no. Now you're saying the Republican party "commissioned" Losurdo to get Mansfield to run? That is THE most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
Fact is stranger than fiction
Sat, 05/28/2011 - 13:16 — SDR256There was more than one conversation.
Mansfield is running for a
Sat, 05/28/2011 - 15:48 — woodstockMansfield is running for a school board seat, and in that context she stated, in a conversation with those from whom she sought an endorsement, that she leans towards the Democrats on issues. A hundred conversations does not change that fact.
Argh...
Sat, 05/28/2011 - 16:09 — Bob_SconceThis thing is silly. If the Republicans have a policy that they only endorse Republicans, so be it. It's a stupid policy -- that would mean Patti Head was eligible, when Jenman isn't, even though JM is clearly more in agreement on the relevant issues than PH was. But, they can make whatever dumb choices they want. Voters are becoming increasingly disillusioned with the parties, so this sort of decision only further marginalizes the GOP. As a life-long Republican, I find that sad.
IS she really in agreement
Sat, 05/28/2011 - 17:10 — woodstockIS she really in agreement "on the relvent issues?" Who says... and what issues? She has stated that she "leans with the Democrats on issues" and she said it in the context of her role as a BoE candidate. Plus, relevent issues today may not be the relevent issues tomorrow. Is she a one issue candidate? How will she address future issues? We all know the Democrats side with Barber, Gatewood, Brannon, Bader, Martin, Wright, etc. on education issues and Mansfield "leans" toward Democrats on issues. Having her on the board for 4 years -- dealing with a variety of issues -- is a very, very scary thought.
Pfft.
Sat, 05/28/2011 - 23:34 — Bob_SconceSome democrats side with Barber, Brannon & Bader. Some others think they're nuts.
Jenman's been posting here for years. Which positions do you think she got wrong? How do you know how Losurdo's going to vote? Because she's a Republican? That's hardly an indication of anything. Ask Horace Tart.
Here's one issue that the D's on the board seem to have gotten right: the school board should have asked for more $$ from the county commissioners. But, when they didn't, the county decided to give raises to all the county employees.
Some democrats side with
Sun, 05/29/2011 - 09:26 — woodstockSome democrats side with Barber, Brannon & Bader. Some others think they're nuts.
Really? Who are they? I have yet to hear any leadership in the Democrat Party or a Democrat elected official denounce Barber, Brannon & Bader. Not a single one. I have not even heard Mansfield -- who supposedly does not support the status quo -- stand up against these nuts. All I hear is how she understands their positions and that she leans toward the Democrats on issues. That does not exactly fill me with confidence that she would stand strong when needed to move forward with the positive family-friendly, achievement-focused change that is needed. Heather Losurdo is far and away the best candidate for District 3 and has the best chance to defeat Kevin Hill this fall.
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Sat, 05/28/2011 - 14:03 — SideburnsProve it.
If you must know
Sat, 05/28/2011 - 20:16 — SDR256Talk to Jennifer.
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Sat, 05/28/2011 - 21:52 — SideburnsI don't think Jennifer would support your lie.
Are you really that clueless
Fri, 05/27/2011 - 12:57 — CaryCurmudgeonAre you really that clueless about what a paranoid buffoon you sound like with all of these conspiracy theories, or do you just not care?
More name calling, really?
Fri, 05/27/2011 - 13:22 — woodstockMore name calling, really? What is this, grade school? LOL You are such a class act...
Please tell me what is "paranoid" about expecting a Democrat (excuse me, Democrat "leaning") candidate to support Democrat positions? ALL Democrats on the school board -- past and present -- support the same status quo and forced busing policies Rev. Barber, Yevonne Brannon and Calla Wright are fighting for and you expect me to believe this time it will be different? Really? Why would you expect anyone to fall for that?
I am a dem
Fri, 05/27/2011 - 19:06 — snordoneI support WSCA, I support John Tedesco, I support Jenn Mansfield. I support education for all children and those who are part of that effort.
What that says, quite
Sat, 05/28/2011 - 01:50 — woodstockWhat that says, quite simply, is that you are willing to risk a seat in D3. Why? I am not willing to take that risk and I doubt many others are either. However, your comments clearly illustrate the split that will occur that could very likely lead to Hill retaining his seat.
If you do indeed support Tedesco, then how do you justify defying his choice for a candidate in District 3, a candidate that he feels is best for helping to bring about the change that is needed? Or, are you saying you have support for Tedesco as long as it does not interfere with your politics? This is no time for conditional support. The stakes are too high.
John and I argue politics all the time
Sun, 05/29/2011 - 07:04 — snordoneWe also argue about how to get things done. But we are very good friends and I support him completely and I am a democrat. We agree on school system issues - that all our children deserve an education. That a child's demography does not define their destiny. That our failure to educate lies in our policies and procedures and our cultural beliefs. That there are proven techniques and programs that will allow us to be successful if we will embrace them.
I have met Heather and like her, my concern is not her. I am not taking a chance on D3 because I live here. I don't like some of the words I have heard from the R side of the isle. I don't the V word - voucher. District 3 has been very, very hard hit by Charters. When there are 2400 applications for 400 charter seats there is a BIG problem. I know that charters are necessary, but the system has not been responsive to the massive migration of parents in D3 out of the base (rim) schools and into charters and private schools. We need to strengthen our public schools in D3.
I don't like the extremism of the party politics right now on either side. I worked with the democrats for close to a year, only to see them abandon the change we needed because someone higher up in the pack reined them in. I sat at meetings with them at Parker Poe and Paragon and said repeatedly that we needed a middle ground on the issue of assignment and we needed to do something about the reality of our achievement. And I was talking to a wall. It is bizarre to see how out of touch they are right now. They despise me and I am grateful for it, I will have it no other way because they are some of the most destructive people I have ever seen.
If, as you say, you support
Sun, 05/29/2011 - 10:30 — woodstockIf, as you say, you support Tedesco "completely, then why go against his choice for a D3 candidate and risk Hill retaining his seat? That makes no sense to me and it makes it appear that your support for Tedesco is something less that "complete."
The issues you bring up -- vouchers and charters -- are not even school board issues. School board members have no authority in these matters, so I do not understand their relevence in regard to who is running in District 3.
Interestingly, it is important to note, that vouchers and charters are not party-centric issues. Many low-income and minority individuals -- a significant proportion of whom are Democrats -- value and support vouchers and charters as attractive alternatives to failing public schools. For example, below is a link to an article about protests by black citizens against the NAACP on the issue of charter schools.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-05-27/naacp-under-fire-in-new-york-charter-school-war/#
Interesting....
Sun, 05/29/2011 - 09:54 — Bob_SconceOne of the premises behind charter schools is that they improve the public schools through the process of competition. A premise behind the competition is that the public schools, and the bodies behind them, must want the public schools to be competitive. In district 3, they're really not. Not surprisingly, when parents have the chance to exit, either through charter schools or lower-cost private schools, they do exit. Heck, when high school comes around in a few years, I expect that my kids will be applying to RCHS.