The Wake County Republican Party is apparently not impressed with the Wake County Democratic Party's "coordinated campaign" for this fall's school board and municipal elections.
In the latest issue of the Elephant Express on Wednesday, Wake GOP Chairwoman Susan Bryant mocks how the Democrats are hiring campaign staff for the election. She also defends Art Pope from the criticism leveled by the Democrats in the announcement about the campaign efforts.
"The Wake County Democrats are loudly trumpeting they’ve hired former Obama staffers to cover their office," Bryant writes. "Paid staffers. Another sad commentary on the Democrat approach to elections. Try to buy them.
And just in case that’s not enough, beat up on good citizens like Art Pope for participating in the electoral system. And there’s not been a peep from the Democrats about their fat cat contributors who are financing the backroom wheeling and dealing! How sad!"
Bryant's charge of Democrats buying the election is a 180 on how some Democrats have accused the GOP of having bought the 2009 elections through the donations of people like Pope and Bob Luddy.

Comments
There is still an Independent option in District 3...
Sun, 07/31/2011 - 19:42 — NoRalNerdJennifer Mansfield seems to be the only candidate so far that's not climbing all over the other candidates for Campbell/Luddy/Gurley money. I'm sure she'd like to have the cash, but at least she still has her soul -- and a proven track record at championing good, common sense plans for WCPSS. We'd be much better served if current members could check their politics at the door, but since the parties seem to want to treat the school board as their political minor leagues. It's just sad.
I caught Jennifer on the Rick & Donna Martinez show on WPTF last week -- rickdonnamartinez.blogspot.com/2011/07/rick-donna-072811_28.html?spref=fb -- She's alive and kicking and hopefully will make the District 3 race interesting.
Oh the irony Ms. Bryant...
Sat, 07/30/2011 - 13:40 — paulastamIt was just a week or two ago that Bryant was "loudly trumpeting" that her GOP had been successful at "eliminating waste" in public education here in WCPSS and North Carolina. I'm sure that does not sit well with the families of the many media assistants, teachers, custodians, front office school receptionists, teacher assistants, and so on, that have had to join NC's unemployment lines. Meanwhile, the GOP's move to decrease the state sales tax (while we had a state revenue problem no less!) means I save 1-2 cents buying a loaf of bread yet a wealthy person now immediately saves $800 when they buy their latest Mercedes or Lexus. Ms. Bryant, under your political party's reforms public education continues to get hit while the rich get richer and many in the middle and lower classes suffer...
Paula, "Independent, Fair & Speaking Up for MY Kids."
And the stupidity continues
Sun, 07/31/2011 - 16:47 — FSandYOUFS, "Unaffiliated, Quite Handsome and Speaking Up Against Political Stupidity."
ARgh...
Sat, 07/30/2011 - 13:52 — Bob_Sconcewealthy person now immediately saves $800 when they buy their latest Mercedes or Lexus.
Why do you persist in idiotic statements like this? Sales tax isn't charged on vehicles. AS to your main point, sales taxes are regressive in that they fall mostly on the poor -- your example makes it sound like it's the other way around.
BobSconce, you're quite the "nit-picker" it seems...
Sat, 07/30/2011 - 14:22 — paulastam"BobSconce",
Again it is my main point that you are choosing to overlook - the wealthy purchase FAR more big ticket items than I and most members of the middle or lower classes do. Now whether such a purchase is a car, home, boat, meal and wine at an expensive restaurant, nice laptop, European vacation, etc. is not the main point. What is more relevant is that the rich stand to benefit from a lower sales tax more than the poor as the rich have more miscellaneous funds (discretionary income) to spend on LUXURY or expensive items that may or may not incur a state sales tax. You can "nit-pick" all you like my friend, but that point remains relevant all the same. Of course, given your strong GOP leanings, that are evident time and time again in this forum, I would expect you to rush to argue in favor of the GOP's recent sales tax decrease. I'm just saying...
Paula, "Independent, Fair & Speaking Up for MY Kids."
ARgh...
Sat, 07/30/2011 - 17:28 — Bob_SconceAnd you're missing my main point. Sure, big ticket items have more sales tax than small-ticket items. But, the wealthy spend a smaller portion of their incomes on things that incur sales tax. As a result, the sales tax hurts the poor disproportionately.
Why do they spend a smaller portion of their incomes on things that incur sales tax? Mostly because the things they buy are not subject to sales tax. A European vacation is generally also not subject to sales tax (at least not in North Carolina). We've seen how cars aren't. Boats are, but their tax rate is capped and wasn't affected by the reduction. And wealthy North Carolinians often avoid the sales tax by buying over the internet.
It's a really bad idea to base tax policy on those few people who buy yachts, mercedes and european vacations. There just aren't enough of them to make that much of a difference.
If wealthy North Carolinians
Sat, 07/30/2011 - 19:22 — virginiadareIf wealthy North Carolinians are avoiding the sales tax by buying over the internet they're lying on their NC income tax forms which require you to report what you've bought on-line (either by records or estimation according to your income) and to pay taxes on it.
Then it's your responsibility as the model citizen
Sun, 07/31/2011 - 16:54 — FSandYOUthat you apparently are, to turn every one of the Government haters in.
Shall I get you the number?
Do only "wealthy North
Sat, 07/30/2011 - 19:48 — woodstockDo only "wealthy North Carolinians" buy things online? That is interesting...
What is considered "wealthy" in your view?
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Sat, 07/30/2011 - 14:46 — jeffrey1Deleted.
My point is "False" Jeffery1?
Sat, 07/30/2011 - 15:29 — paulastamJeffery1 (in reference to your now "deleted" posting - are you backtracking my friend?), I'm not debating whether or not the state sales tax is "regressive". That was not the point of my discussion. A state sales tax does appear to apply to, among many big ticket items, the rental of accomodations (beach homes, etc) and purchase of aircraft and boats - activities that most of us that are NOT wealthy do not enjoy on a frequent basis if at all. Again I don't think a middle or lower class family saving a few cents on the small ticket items they can afford is as favorable as the benefits that the wealthy will enjoy under the GOP's sales tax cuts. Given the recession I'm not sure a lot of us regular folks have the discretionary income for many expensive items (such as sports and recreation items, computers, IPads, etc) to save money with the sales tax decrease. In contrast, the wealthy can enjoy the benefits of the decreased sales tax more frequently and reap larger savings. Furthermore, it is odd that during a period of lower than usual state revenue the GOP would further reduce the state's revenue by not allowing the extension of a "temporary" sales tax hike. Some of the heavy cuts that public education and the public sector in general have had to endure probably could have been avoided. Again, I'm not sure my main point is "false" (as you claimed in your now deleted posting) at all. I'm just saying... :)
Paula, "Independent, Fair & Speaking Up for MY Kids."
Paula - After posting, I
Sat, 07/30/2011 - 17:08 — jeffrey1Paula - After posting, I realized that I misread your original post, so I deleted mine.
Unlike you, I'm willing to admit when I make a mistake.
A FWIW, I did not support the repeal of the 1 cent sales tax
Huh?
Sat, 07/30/2011 - 17:48 — paulastamJeffery1, just yesterday I conceded the obvious to you in a separate posting: "I'm not perfect" and nor do I pretend to be BUT I expect those (school board members and the superintendent) making decisions about our kids and our tax dollars to be as close to perfect as possible! The stakes are too high to accept anything less...of course we must allow for errors - a human trait - but we seem to be getting a stream of egregious errors out of the GOP's Gang of 5 running WCPSS.
Paula, "Independent, Fair & Speaking Up for MY Kids."
Oh my... you are WAY off
Sat, 07/30/2011 - 18:44 — woodstockOh my... you are WAY off base with those comments. The Fab (occasional) 5 have done an outstanding job, have a long and impressive list of achievements and enjoy very broad bipartisan support across the county. The opposition challengers this fall have a very steep uphill battle to win more than a single seat (1 of 5). Sutton will probably win, but it looks pretty dire for the Democrat and left-leaning unaffiliated candidates... they don't stand even a snow-ball's chance in hell of victory.
just yesterday I conceded
Sat, 07/30/2011 - 17:57 — jeffrey1just yesterday I conceded the obvious to you in a separate posting...
And yet I have never heard you acknowledge any of the factual errors in many of your posts?
Judging the actions of any political official as an error is clearly subjective. IMO, Patti Head, Lori Millberg, Beverly Clark, Rosa Gill, Susan Parry, Kathryn Quigg etc. made many more egregious errors during their tenure than this current board.
Jeffery1, I am concerned with the present and the mistakes being
Sat, 07/30/2011 - 18:19 — paulastammade by the GOP's Gang of 5 running WCPSS. The folks you mentioned are no longer our elected representatives and nor are they seeking re-election for our school board. You can dwell on ghosts of the past if you want, but I'm focused on our currently elected representatives doing what's best for our/my kids NOW...
Paula, "Independent, Fair & Speaking Up for MY Kids."
It's thanks to those morons, I mean ghosts of the past
Sun, 07/31/2011 - 17:01 — FSandYOUthat we are in the current situtation(s) we are in. That's what you seem to miss. You of all people should be glad the "gang" got elected!
FS, "Unaffiliated, Quite Handsome and Speaking Up Against Political Stupidity."
Fair Enough. But once again,
Sat, 07/30/2011 - 18:34 — jeffrey1Fair Enough.
But once again, you miss the point. Judging whether or not elected officials have made egregious errors is subjective. Your insistence that our current board has made errors is nothing more than your opinion.
I think that our currently elected school board has made many good decisions, and very little errors. As evidence, I point to all the discussion in our communities about the academic achievement of at-risk children. NEVER, in the past 10 years, have we talked about individual student achievement -- we've always looked at achivement at the school level, the so-called "healthy schools."
We've finally addressed discrimination in 8th grade algebra assignment. We've finally addressed long term suspensions and the school to prison pipeline. We've finally put some programs in place (e.g. Renaissance Schools) that address student performance. We've finally put in place signing bonuses and performance bonuses for teachers who teach in these Renaissance Schools.
And we're finally listening to parents and looking out for families.
nope
Sat, 07/30/2011 - 19:42 — EBDarcyThere is no general discussion in our "community" about the performance of at-risk youth. Outside of this forum, BOE meetings and other education related groups the public is not discussing this issue. And what is the G5 doing to reduce the school to prison pipeline (which was an issue raised by their opponents in the last election) when it seems that creating high-poverty racially-isolated schools will have the opposite affect. There is little evidence that signing bonuses or performance bonuses have a positive affect.
I respectfully
Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:45 — jeffrey1I respectfully disagree.
Outside of this forum, BOE meetings and other education related groups the public is not discussing this issue.
That's three areas that were not discussing it prior to 2009 elections.
And what is the G5 doing to reduce the school to prison pipeline
They've reduced long term suspensions which primarily affected ED and minorities, leading to dropouts, which start the school to prison pipeline.
There is little evidence that signing bonuses or performance bonuses have a positive affect.
Since they've never been used in Wake, I think the jury is still out on that one. Let's wait and see what happens in the Renaissance schools.
Performance Bonus
Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:27 — Solon77Performance bonus has been used in Wake, unfortunately the earned bonuses were not paid out because of lack of funding.
The 1 PERCENT (not "1 cent")
Sat, 07/30/2011 - 17:13 — woodstockThe 1 PERCENT (not "1 cent") sales tax was not "repealed." It ran its planned temporary course. The Republicans just held Perdue to her promise. Most people pay enough taxes, unfortunately 47% of working adults pay no income tax at all. That has to end.
Planned temporary course
Sat, 07/30/2011 - 22:30 — Solon77Then we can use the same for the Bush tax cuts right ? It is not a tax increase, it simply ran its planned temporary course.
First, cent and percent are
Sat, 07/30/2011 - 17:38 — jeffrey1First, cent and percent are used interchangeably when referencing taxes.
Of the 47% of working adults that pay no income tax at all:
Exactly how much tax do you want them to pay?
Are you suggesting that
Sat, 07/30/2011 - 20:17 — woodstockAre you suggesting that nearly all of the folks (90%) who do not contribute income taxes earn less that $20K. I don't believe that. The median household income in the US is over $50,000 and the per capita income is over $27,000 (2009 data)
EVERYONE should contribute, however small that contribution may be. It raises awareness of the impact of taxes and that government needs public funding to function... making for better public policy and a more enlightened citizenry.
Here's another look...
Sun, 07/31/2011 - 10:11 — Bob_SconceCheck out the table here:
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/28/who-doesnt-pay-federal-income-taxes-legally/
I don't think anybody's saying that the federal government should extract a bunch of tax money out of the 47% (or whatever) that aren't paying taxes now. The problem is that the federal income tax system basically doesn't affect them -- if everybody's rates doubled, they'd still pay nothing. It's a really bad thing for nearly half of the US population to suffer no ill effect when taxes are raised, espescially when they're often the beneficiaries of so much federal largesse. Remember Thomas Jefferson's warning about what happens when people finding out they can vote funds for themselves out of the public treasury.
What's the right thing? First of all, some high earners on the chart manage to get by without paying any federal taxes -- they're the ones who have successfully lobbied for their own special provisions in the tax code. According to that table, there were 3,000 people who made more than $2M who paid no income tax. That practice has to end -- those, and many other, targeted tax breaks have to end.** But, at the bottom, there were lots of people who paid none and, in many cases, got a lot of money back thanks to the EITC. That's a problem, too. And those people should have to pay *something* -- $5/year minimum tax, perhaps. They need to feel the pain of complying with the tax code, and join with the other 1/2 of the country who hurt when the government raises taxes.
(**However, I think it'd also be horrible policy to futz with the tax code to try to punish the bogeyman du jour. Tax treatment of carried interest (other than the double-deduction) and unpatriated foreign earnings make good policy sense and should not be changed just because somebody wants to punish hedge fund managers or GE. On the other end, tax breaks for domestic Ethanol? It's a really bad policy for the gov't to pick winners and losers.)
And those people should have
Sun, 07/31/2011 - 16:29 — jeffrey1And those people should have to pay *something* -- $5/year minimum tax, perhaps.
I actually agree with this Bob, and would even suggest $100/year as an alternative minimum tax. While none of us enjoys paying taxes, there should be a sense of pride in knowing that you contributed to your government (even if it means you contributed to the program that trained "Chinese prostitutes to drink more responsibly." I kid you not, the federal government spent $2.6 million to fund this study).
A minimum tax that applied to everyone would not raise a lot of money, but it would allow everyone to claim that they pitched in. And it migh help to soften the class warfare that is going on when 47% pay no income tax.
It's a really bad thing for
Sun, 07/31/2011 - 10:48 — woodstockIt's a really bad thing for nearly half of the US population to suffer no ill effect when taxes are raised, espescially when they're often the beneficiaries of so much federal largesse. Remember Thomas Jefferson's warning about what happens when people finding out they can vote funds for themselves out of the public treasury.
THAT is exactly my point and why EVERYONE should feel the impact of taxes if even to a minimal degree.
Federal Income Tax is only one part of the equation
Sun, 07/31/2011 - 13:25 — Solon77Federal income tax is only one part of the whole tax equation. - Social Security tax, Medicare, state income taxes, excise taxes on gas, property taxes (direct or built into rent payment) sales taxes.... To suggest that this lower group doesn't pay taxes is false.
True...
Sun, 07/31/2011 - 15:24 — Bob_SconceI should have specified "income taxes." Note, however, that the payroll taxes are, at least theoretically, there to pay for the future benefits to the taxpayer, and property & sales taxes are state taxes.
State Taxes
Sun, 07/31/2011 - 21:39 — Solon77I am aware property and sales taxs are state and municipal level taxes. My point is there are contributions other than Federal Income taxes. Perhaps there should be a minimum tax for corporations and all businesses as well. Early in my carer I kept the books for a family owned business. They reported income the bare minimum of years and the types of expenses that flowed through the business wer very interesting.
Yes, that is exactly what I
Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:40 — jeffrey1Yes, that is exactly what I am suggesting. My data is from 2004, and comes from the Tax Foundation, a non partisan educational organization. I admit that 2010 figures are likely slightly higher.
While household income is a common measure, it includes not only all wages and salaries, but such items as unemployment insurance, disability payments, child support payments, regular rental receipts, as well as any personal business, investment, or other kinds of income received routinely. The residents of the household do not have to be related to the head of the household for their earnings to be considered part of the household's income. Therefore, it is a distorted measure to use when talking about those that do not pay income tax.
Well, you are wrong. And, we
Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:54 — woodstockWell, you are wrong. And, we must expand the tax base. All the tax burdens cannot be the responsibility of so few Americans.
Also, there is no such thing as "non-partisan." Claiming it, does not make it so. Politics is ALWAYS at play.
Well, you are wrong About
Sat, 07/30/2011 - 23:16 — jeffrey1Well, you are wrong
About what? That response sounds like what I'd hear from a 6 year old on the playground. Are you going to take your ball and go home too? At least back it up.
Also, there is no such thing as "non-partisan."
Because Woody says it, so shall it be. Now you're sounding like Paula!
BTW, you never answered my question. Just how much do you want those that do not pay income tax to pay?
All the tax burdens cannot be the responsibility of so few Americans.
And yet all that income and wealth can be held by so few Americans. Just about every socio-economic indicator shows that the distribution of income in the United States is becoming increasingly unequal. Americans have the highest income inequality in the rich world and over the past 20–30 years Americans have also experienced the greatest increase in income inequality among rich nations.
The middle class is shrinking. Now I'm all for capitalism, but if this trend continues at its current rate, the middle class will all but disappear.
Answers:Income: The basis
Sun, 07/31/2011 - 10:13 — woodstockAnswers:
Income: The basis for saying you are wrong regarding income is that your math does not work. I provided the per capital and median incomes, what more evidence do you need?
Partisanship: I don't know an individual or organization that does not lean toward one political philosphy or another. NC Policy Watch and the NC Justice Center (both run by the Goodmon media empire) are two local examples that claim nonpartisanship but are clearly the domain of extreme left wing Democrats.
Taxes: If we are going to have income taxes, we all need to contribute. Let's start with 2%. How's that? Afterall, we are in this together and we all need to understand that there is a significant cost to government.
And another thing......he
Sun, 07/31/2011 - 14:09 — danofncAnd another thing......he explained to you how the info you provided doesn't fit the argument.
You could have 2 parents and an 18 year old living in a house, all three with part-time jobs making $18k. Individually, they are each one of the 47% who pay no income taxes. Together, they are a household that makes $54k.
I can't tell you how it boggles my mind to read about how you want to make sure people making so little pay something, while at the same time knowing that you'd do whatever you could to make sure somebody making half a million pays less. It's sad, and it says something about how America has changed in the last 20-30 years.
People who make over half a
Sun, 07/31/2011 - 17:49 — woodstockPeople who make over half a million pay an enormous amount of tax. Do you really think they are not paying their fair share? What is your reason for wanting to gouge them? Do you think that just because they earn a lot, others have a right to their money? Please explain.
Did you know...
Virtually half of the nation's wage earners to not participate in the income tax system... that is a problem. Everyone should have some skin in this game.
Income disparity? I agree that is an issue... but it's a different issue.
Get the Financial Samurai to
Sun, 07/31/2011 - 19:51 — danofncGet the Financial Samurai to subtract all the high school workers at the mall out of that bottom 50%. Then, subtract all the retirees working a couple of days a week to supplement their Social Security.
Come up with a better number, so to speak, and then let's talk. Because comparing the "top 1%" and what they pay to a kid working at Abercrombie & Fitch 2 days a week isn't really worth talking about.
In reality, I believe that your problem is actually with the tax code. In most cases, those bottom 50% are paying taxes out of each check. They just get it all back in April. That means that you have a problem with the deductions and credits that allow them to do that.
I'd be interested to know if you claim the exact same credits and deductions that some of those people claim, but you make enough (and pay enough) so that you don't end up getting all of your paid taxes back.
So, let's do this.....you name a deduction or credit that you think the bottom 50% shouldn't get, and we'll eliminate it. Then, I get to name one for the top 25% to eliminate (for this purpose, I'll consider 25%-50% "middle class" and leave them alone). Who do you think runs out of advantageous credits and deductions first?
I am not playing your games.
Sun, 07/31/2011 - 20:33 — woodstockI am not playing your games. More workers need to participate for the reasons I cited. Period.
So, you don't have an
Sun, 07/31/2011 - 22:48 — danofncSo, you don't have an argument, but you're sticking with the talking points. Got it.
I have no argument IF you
Sun, 07/31/2011 - 23:16 — woodstockI have no argument IF you just completely ignore my prior posts.
But, here are two ideas:
1. Simplify it all. Remove all credits and deductions and EVERYONE pay one low common rate. If legislators want to raise taxes, they raise them for EVERYONE!
2. Eliminate income taxes completely (and the IRS) and go to consumption taxes.
How can you accuse anyone of
Mon, 08/01/2011 - 07:18 — danofncHow can you accuse anyone of ignoring your posts? I responded directly to several of the points in your post, you just ignored the response.
The average AGI for the bottom 50% is a little over 15,000 dollars. Even if you go to a flat tax, the vast majority of that bottom 50% would still likely be exempt from it. I would never be in favor of a flat tax that didn't have a cut-off point where people below a certain income level were exempt.
I don't really have a problem with people who make more paying more. My thinking is that people who make more pay more for everything else, so why should taxes be different?
The chart you used to pull your data is skewed to make the bottom 50% look worse, anyway, which I think is sad. 35 million returns make up the "2nd 25%", which is people who aren't in the top 25% or the bottom 50%. They earned just a little more than the top 1% (which is 1.4 million people) and paid just a little less in taxes. They make between $67k and $33k, and they are paying in the neighborhood of 6.5% in taxes. In this chart, though, the group they are a part of is listed as paying 13%, because that makes the bottom 50% look worse.
Everyone should have some
Mon, 08/01/2011 - 07:24 — woodstockEveryone should have some skin in the game and everyone should feel the pinch when taxes go up. Everyone, all the time, no exceptions. This includes the millionaire who can now find loopholes and the lowest paid part-time employee.
mean spirited
Mon, 08/01/2011 - 07:55 — EBDarcyDo you think people who are making less than $20,000 a year aren't "feeling the pinch" because I bet they would tell you they are feeling the pince every day, long before the recession started. Your insistance that they should pay taxes just so you can be satisfied that everyone is paying something is mean-spirited. Because that's what it's all about for you I think. It can't be about additinional revenue. How much revenue do you think that would raise? Subtract out increased costs on the part of the IRS from having to process the additional claims and I bet the pot is pretty empty.
Everyone has skin in this game if they buy anything at all via sales, excise and other taxes.
Not the right time to raise taxes
Sun, 07/31/2011 - 21:59 — Solon77Well we are in the middle of a recession and it is just not the right time to be raising taxes. Besides there is no need to raise taxes - we don't have a revenue problem we have a spending problem and that is in the process of being fixed.
Thanks, Dan. That was
Sun, 07/31/2011 - 16:15 — jeffrey1Thanks, Dan. That was exactly my point, and was obviously lost on Woodstock.
I have a hard time believing
Sun, 07/31/2011 - 14:02 — danofncI have a hard time believing that NC Policy Watch considers itself non-partisan. Their blog is called Progressive Pulse, and they have a feature on their website called Radical Right Reality Check.
thank you
Sat, 07/30/2011 - 19:48 — EBDarcyThank you for pointing this out. Of course the people who have been making this argument for years don't really care about the facts. I've got family members and friends who love to drag out this statistic and I ask them the same question: how much do you think people earning less than $20,000 a year should pay? And of course they totally ignore the fact that those individuals and families are still paying sales tax, etc.
factcheck.org just hired
Sat, 07/30/2011 - 14:09 — jeffrey1factcheck.org just hired another staffer.
PS Bob is correct, sales tax is not charged on new vehicles. A 3% highway use tax applies to new vehicle purchases.
Say so....xmarkspot62
Fri, 07/29/2011 - 11:56 — youthinksoAt least the Dems did not hide behind a woman's skirt. It took Prickett publicly thanking the GOP after being sworn in to acknowledge the Pope and Luddy money pot!