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Wake expecting initial rise in transportation costs from new assignment plan

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The spinning is going on about how much transportation costs will be impacted by Wake County's new student assignment plan.

School administrators said Tuesday that it could could cost five to 25 additional buses because of the grandfathering that will be employed over the next few years as the plan is phased in. Administrators said they expect costs to drop below current levels once the grandfathering of current students ends.

In a blog post Wednesday, Matt Ellinwood of the liberal N.C. Policy Watch cited the transportation analysis to mock critics of the old diversity policy.

"It is indeed ironic that the proposed assignment policy would involve higher transportation costs than the nationally-acclaimed integration policy that it replaced because the entire point of the proposed system is that it favors proximity and stability," Schofield writes.

Let's go over how Wake did the transportation analysis, using this handout.

The analysis was done using data from the online test drive hat indicated that 94 percent of current students will grandfather at their current school. They're also projecting again that, based on 2010-11 data, 40 percent of rising kindergartners will attend the same elementary school that their older siblings are now at.

Staff estimates that 7,000 rising kindergartners and 6 percent of students in other grades could choose a change in their assignments.

On the high range, staff said Wake could need 15 to 25 additional buses.

On the low range, in which regional choices are used as opposed to countywide choices, it's projected that five to 10 additional buses could be needed.

A big reason for the extra buses is that the plan calls for continuing to provide transportation to students who grandfather at their current school, even when it's outside their new feeder pattern.

"The bottom line is there is a cost to grandfathering because you’re implementing two plans at once," said Superintendent Tony Tata.

Tata said the grandfathering needs to be provided to give parents the stability they want for their children.

James Overman, head of the student assignment task force, said it will take about five years before the matriculation patterns caused by grandfathering disappear. He said over that time transportation costs will drop as more students go to school closer to home.

School board vice chairman John Tedesco asked if the savings could be greater than the amount of additional buses needed. Overman said that was a likely result.

Tedesco asked if staff would have an estimate of how many fewer buses will be needed after full implementation of the new assignment plan. That data is expected at the Oct. 4 board meeting.

School board member Kevin Hill asked how much a new bus costs. The answer is $87,000.

But Bob Snidemiller, senior director of transportation, said they can take advantage of a program where they can borrow buses from the state for up to 18 months for free. He said some districts have turned buses in to the state in recent years to cut costs.

Even though the buses are free, Snidemiller said Wake would need to pay for fuel and maintaining the vehicles. Plus, Wake would have to pay the salaries of any new drivers who are hired.

Snidemiller said districts are required by the state to have enough reserve buses equal to 10 percent of the fleet to cover emergencies.

Wake has 933 active buses with 1,012 in total.

Tata said Wake would just need to have, in the initial implementation years, enough buses in reserve to cover the state requirement.

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The blog post was written by Matt Ellinwood.

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Careless spending during lean times...

Why would we abandon a neighborhood school system that currently provides ample choice for families in exchange for some free market student assignment plan where extra bus purchases alone to support it will cost in excess of $2 million?  Then there is the cost of extra drivers, their overtime pay, retirement, etc and of course the extra deisel. The assignment plan has so many unknowns, huge additional transportation expenses, and will likely empty some schools that are "not popular" - leaving WCPSS to spend money on extra resources to get those schools back up to speed OR simply close them! This is simply a pricey plan (during lean times) that may create "have and have not" schools - all in the name of "choice".

Paula, "Independent, Fair & Speaking Up for MY Kids."

What Are You Smoking.....

the previous plan did not provide ample choices for families that wanted nothing but a neighborhood school.......no...they needed our 'numbers' at other schools.   Don't even get me started on magnets...that was the biggest farce of all! 

Provide ample choices

Why do you believe families are entitled to a choice beyond the neighborhood school ? As a taxpayer why should I be asked to fund the cost of busing beyond the neighborhood school ?  The state provides for a basic education and as far as I know all of our schools provide better than a basic education.  

Just to add - If there is such overwhelming support for neighborhood schools as claimed - then why does there need to be a choice beyond the neighborhood school ? Why does there have to be grandfathering ? I would think that parents would be eager to get back to their neighborhood school and since the old plan assigned students by nodes - wouldn't the nodes (neighbors and friends) tend to move together.  After all we are in a financial crunch, taxes will not be increased, federal funding for certain programs run out at the end of this year and the plan is to spend millions of $ on transportation ?  How does this help to keep resources in the classroom ?  There are kids around the world who don't have what we do and you are worried about choice and convenience ?

As a tax payer

you shouldn't be asked to foot the bill for a single bus ride, but maybe you've found a happy medium. Let's revamp the entire thing and pay for those bus rides to your "N" schools, but beyond that let the parents whose kids ride those busses pay the additional bills.

And in the tradition that is the wcpss, you get 2 public meetings for your 2 minutes of input and then this new policy will be put into place in 2 weeks.

Don't want to cover the additional costs to ride the busses? Fine, put them in your cars and we'll see you in the carpool lines.

Here You Go!

Why do you believe families are entitled to a choice beyond the neighborhood school ? As a taxpayer why should I be asked to fund the cost of busing beyond the neighborhood school ?
I don't.  I believe families that want choice like magnets should have to get their kids there.  Express busing sounds like a good compromise, but some are already whining about how that will keep people from applying.  The magnets in Wake are a joke in regards to how the fill them.  There is no 'true' lottery like other cities follow.  It has systematically kept families out of the magnets so they can keep our kids back in the burbs while they bused other kids out of those areas to make room for a bunch of snotty, rich, elitists in the making!

If there is such overwhelming support for neighborhood schools as claimed - then why does there need to be a choice beyond the neighborhood school ? Why does there have to be grandfathering ?
This is the hand that many families have been dealt.  I didn't want to go to this school outside my neighborhood to start with, but there really was no other choice since we can't afford private, can't get into charters and couldn't make year round work.  Should my kid be penalized because we are moving to neighborhood schools?  My son has struggled in several areas of school.  He is making good progress at our non-neighborhood school finally.  Should he have to move away from teachers that know him, his challenges, etc and go to a neighborhood school for his last year?  The previous  assignment mess moved my child twice in ES.  That means 3 different schools in 5 years and guess what we never moved during that time.  That really hurt him. 

Here you go

With regards to transportation I am not just talking about magnets but with any choice outside of the neighborhood school.  As far as the magnet lottery, there are 10,000 applicants for 5,000 slots - so no matter the selection process there are those that would cry foul. I can't speak for all of the magnets but at Enloe the students are from all over the county - Apex, Cary, Wake Forest, Knightdale...... kids that I would not consider rich or elitist. The vast majority are just normal kids and to judge a whole school based on a few individuals does not show much maturity on your part.  It would be like someone saying that all Republicans are like Glenn Beck. 

With respect to your comments on grandfathering - you make an excellent argument that stability would be a priority over proximity.  We will never get to stability until the taxpayers support building capacity ahead of demand.  I wonder how the current board would have handled growth of 5000-6000 students a year from an assignment and budget with the current school capacity and budget caps. The lowest growth rate in 20 years could not have come at a better time for them. 

Transportation and Misc...

I don't think Wake should pay for transportation for anyone that wants choice outside of their neighborhood schools.  I see empty buses in our neighborhood all the time for magnet schools and others.  So I guess we agree on that huh!

 I wonder how the current board would have handled growth of 5000-6000 students a year from an assignment and budget with the current school capacity and budget caps. The lowest growth rate in 20 years could not have come at a better time for them.

The thing the previous school board did really wrong in my opinion is not look at solutions others than moving tens of thousands of kids every year to 1) fill schools and 2) balance these schools based on SES.    If you were one of those families that was being bused out of your school to a less desirable school you had to fight tooth and nail to stay.  I know of cases where the principal let the kids stay at the request of their parents, but then the board office got wind of it and made those kids move mid-year.  This happened to a neighbor of mind.  They never looked at what some schools were not desirable and try to fix it, the just tried to reassign kids there.  It never worked...it failed on so many levels.   In regards to new schools, I believe there were ways these could of filled those schools without all the reassignment mess.  They just never could think outside the 'bus'. 

How does this work?

I understand the basic idea here -- because of grandfathering, you're layering TWO assignment plans on top of each other.  Since the current assignment plan grandfathers kids at schools which would not be available under the proposed assignment plan, as long as both plans are active at the same time, you're going to use more buses than you would if you only had one of the plans.

But, that seems to miss the bigger question: once the proposed plan is fully implemented (assuming it is approved) and enough time has gone by to end all the grandfathering, will that plan use more or less transportation than the current plan?

For years, the proponents of the previous assignment plan have talked about how 95% of students are proximate to their schools and only a small portion are actually bused any great distance.  Wouldn't that mean that the district won't get much savings by ending those long-distance rides?   And, further, if the 3 base school buses that run through my neighborhood now are replaced by 12** under the choice plan, won't that actually mean a big increase in transportation costs.

[**That 12 is *only* the base buses and doesn't include magnets or application schools.  And, actually, it's a bit worse -- my neighborhood is in the walk zone, so doesn't have base school buses, but would need to start being served (by 9 buses) under the plan.  The 12/3 figures assumes a student not in the walk zone.]

A need for buses

A need for buses also helps explain the sudden PR campaign to justify flipping magnets to all express busing.   As Tata mentioned it frees up buses for the overlayed assignment plans.

What was the transportation savings costs projected by Eric Blau prior to the last election again?

Um...

I think Eric's projections did not assume a plan where students at any one address could go to so many different schools.

Tend to agree.

Tend to agree that Eric Blau's projection models were overly simplistic.   Just a shame that a savings in transportation costs was a part of the campaign rhetoric when it was pretty apparent that there was no certainty that would be the case.

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Perhaps implementing a new assignment plan would have resulted in a savings of transportation costs (and I believe Tata has said we will see a savings in a few years as the new plan phases in). But, we are implementing a new plan while keeping the old one. Offering grandfathering opportunities WITH transportation to every child comes with a cost. Would you prefer that students aren't offered this sort of stability?

Lack of planning

Am wondering why grandfathering was never factored in to Eric's proposed savings as, just as now, it seems obvious that it was always going to need to be a part of the plan.   Unless of course, under Eric's assumptions, forced reassignments without grandfathering were the plan?

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As far as I know (and someone may know more), families have never been offered grandfathering with transportation in Wake County. Nor have all grade levels been given this opportunity to stay. Not sure why you think Eric would make the incredible assumption that such generous grandfathering opportunities would be made available to all students. If he had, you would have said he was crazy.

And, besides, back in 2009, we still had Burns and Dulaney. They would never have approved -- or supported this approach. It was a different system 2 years ago.

Extra Money for Busing

Just wondering where we are going to get the money for extra busing - will it require staff reductions?

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Would Mr. Schofield prefer WCPSS not offer grandfathering to all students? It never has before. For years, grandfathering was touted as a great option for parents but, in reality, not many could take advantage of it because it did not come with transportation. Now that it does, Schofield wants to berate it?

This is a huge step forward. The Board is recognizing the need for stability and the inability of some parents to drive their children to school.

Not Sure

I am not sure if this plan is a huge step forward.  There are too many uncertanties.  Our area could be in a case where we are forced to switch middle and high schools.  Specifically it could mean that I could have two kids at two high schools and my youngest would go to a different and farther middle/high schools.  I know that we can in theorey use the choice process but it is not guranteed and therefore I do not trust it. 

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Well, I was speaking specifically about grandfathering. Schofield and his friends have supported the old policies that reassigned kids here and there for years. Sure, grandfathering was offered but how many parents could drive their children to school in order to maintain stability? And now that grandfathering for all (not just specific grade levels) is being suggested as well as providing transportation, he barks out of the other side of his mouth.

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