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Wake County school board members debate use of teacher performance pay

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It looks like, at least in the near term, any use of teacher performance pay in the Wake County school system would be on a limited basis.

Wake County school board members debated the use of merit pay when reviewing the draft strategic plan last week. Some school board members support its use while others are adamantly against it or only support using it in limited cases.

Performance pay is already in limited use in Wake.

It was first used a few years ago at Wilburn Elementary School under the TAP program. Now Wilburn is one of four lower-performing Wake schools in the Renaissance Schools Program that uses performance pay as part of the federal Race to the Top grant.

The school board voted in March to expand the use of performance pay to Walnut Creek Elementary School and the Longview School.

What set the discussion off last week was page 17 of the strategic plan under the section for processes for retaining teachers.

"Signing bonus and performance bonus plans will be used to retain effective teachers and principals in low-performing schools with unique challenges," according to the strategic plan.

School board member Christine Kushner questioned why it's in the plan. She said that bonus plans have been around a long time and brought a lot of acrimony into school systems between teachers. She said it pits teachers against each other.

“There are not many models — if any — that truly work to raise teaching and raise achievement for teachers," Kushner said. "I would much rather us go down the road of supporting our PLTs (professional learning teams), expanding professional development, really focus on team building among our teachers and have effective teachers mentor younger teachers and go more toward that cooperative approach.”

School board chairman Kevin Hill, a retired teacher and principal, said that bonus plans have been divisive at many of the schools he's been at. Hill said that research shows that signing and performance bonuses help to attract teacher but does little to retain teachers after 2-3 years.

Kushner said she'd like to look back at what happened with TAP at Wilburn, which she said started great but was not successful by the third year. She pointed out that this occurred even with TAP having started with the support of more than 80 percent of Wilburn's teachers.

School board member Susan Evans said she had circled the performance pay item in red on her copy of the strategic plan and had written the word "no" in the margin.

“I would much prefer us do everything we can as a district and from the administration level, or whatever it takes, to make every one of our schools somewhere that our teachers want to teach," Evans said. "I just have an aversion to feeling like we’ve got to compensate teachers extra to come to certain schools. If that’s the case, then we need to address that from a different direction and we need to make that school a place where any teacher wants to teach, and if that means addressing the population or whatever it is, then we need to do that.

I’m just not in favor. I know we’ve done it already because we applied for some grants under that scenario. I voted against it then and I’ll be verbal against it now. I certainly would take great offense at having this in our strategic plan. I don’t think it’s the best way to motivate our teachers.”

School board member Jim Martin said that national board certification is an "effective performance evaluation plan." The state helps teachers pay the cost of going through the rigorous certification process. Upon obtaining certification, the state gives teachers an annual 12 percent increase in their pay.

Superintendent Tony Tata responded to Martin by pointing back to research shared with the board last year showing there's very little correlation between advanced degrees and national board certification and student performance.

Tata added that he has about 25 teachers on his teacher advisory council who, "to a person," advocate for some type of performance pay.

Tata said the advisory council members know and believe they are all excellent teachers who would like to be able distinguish themselves from others. Tata said he has to believe they’re representative of many teachers.

“I would not want to take away our flexibility to pilot this or use this in discrete cases," Tata said. "I would prefer to have the opportunity to apply this in areas where we want to increase achievement or retain teachers, as we’ve done at Walnut Creek and the four Renaissance Schools.”

While Hill said he wasn't indicating he's advocating keeping performance pay in the strategic plan, he said the key word in the bullet item was "unique." He said the board would have to vote on any request from Tata to use performance pay.
 
School board member John Tedesco noted that performance pay is part of the Race to the Top grant requirements and is part of the agenda for the U.S. Department of Education. He said it's not in Wake's best interests to exclude using the grant money in the way that's been prescribed by the feds.

“In any other profession when you take on extra duty and extra work and you produce extra results, you are rewarded for such," Tedesco also said. "Why are our teachers any less professionals? Why shouldn’t our teachers be treated just as such professionals?”

Martin, a professor at N.C. State, responded by saying he's “one of the few of us around this table who has lived in the education scenario.”

“This is a very politically charged issue nationally so we can’t just say ‘cause it’s in Race to the Top means everything is good," Martin said.

"If we took the check, we need to use it the way we took it," Tedesco responded.

"There’s a big difference in taking the check and putting it in the strategic plan," Martin replied back.

Martin said dropping it from the strategic plan wouldn't prevent Tata from being able to recommend use of performance pay if it's for a "good reason." Martin said including it in the strategic plan would reflect the implication that performance pay is a general direction and a focus area for Wake.

Hill and Evans also joined in by saying that Tata wouldn't be precluded from recommending the use of performance pay even if it's dropped from the strategic plan.

"Regardless of where the board goes on this with the strategic plan, I believe it is a tool at the disposal of the superintendent to recommend to the board in unique cases," Hill said.

While the school board debates the issue, state Sen. Phil Berger has included the use of performance pay in his education reform plan. This week, the Senate Education Committee approved the plan proposed by the president pro tempore of the Senate.

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Bob -- Have You Read Drive?

Bob,

You are one of the most reasoned commenters on this blog and I'm interested in your take on the use of performance pay as a motivator in knowledge driven professions like education. 

Most of what I know comes from a thorough reading of Daniel Pink's Drive -- The Surprising Truth about What Motivates Us.  Here's a great video outlining the major assertions in the book:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc

If Pink is right -- if merit pay plans are failures in any profession that requires more than "rudimentary cognitive ability" -- aren't we destined to waste more time and resources pursuing another failed #edpolicy?

I get the reason why people BELIEVE in merit pay plans -- but shouldn't we expect our school board members and our superintendent to make decisions on something more than their beliefs? 

Looking forward to hearing your response.

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The report pays particular attention to the design and implementation challenges that many states and districts face, including: 1) student achievement measures; 2) classroom observations; 3) other non-academic measures; 4) accuracy, validity, and reliability; and 5) reporting and using evaluation results. 

http://conncan.org/learn/research/teachers/measuring-teacher-effectiveness 

Hmm...

So, first of all, thanks, but I'm just some guy on a blog.  

Secondly, it's not completely clear that Pink is right.  He might be, but I'm not convinced that the two studies really bear out in real-world situations.  For example, I think he's missing the dynamic of new entrants.

I know a few really smart people who would love to teach (and who I think would be good at it), but who (1) don't like the pay and (2) don't like the working conditions.  If you raise the pay and improve working conditions, then you attract people to teaching from other careers.  And that's a good thing. 

It's also not clear what sort of time horizon was at play in those two studies.  If you give people a cognitive task and tell them "If you do this in 30 seconds, you'll get a million dollars," it wouldn't surprise me if they had a really tough time focusing.  But, if you told them "You have the next 60 days to do this thing for a million dollars," they may waste the first day on the heart attack, but then really approach the problem.

That said, though, I think that video absolutely catches the dynamic of the new creative classes. 

I'm a bit skeptical about merit pay programs for teachers -- there are two problems.  First, there's a measurement problem -- how do you know when teachers are performing?  Do you really do it only on EOGs?  Personally, I've never met a parent who thought the EOGs were very good.  Second, teachers don't really have a ton of direct control -- it's possible for a couple of lazy parents to torpedo a teacher's merit pay. Those two problems introduce a big amount of randomness into the program, and that has to work against the motivational effects of merit pay.

So, my prescription is this: pay teachers substantially more, across the board, and treat them better.  That invites more smart and motivated people into teaching, and that leads to better teaching.  It'd be best if that happened nationwide, but I suspect just doing it in Wake County would work too.

Excellent Book

Excellent book. I suggest everyone who manages others take the time to read it. It changed my way of compensating employees.

OT - Walnut Creek?

Hi Keung - off topic I know - have there been any premilinary test results for Walnut Creek EOG's yet?  I am so so curious to see how that school did this year - have you heard anything or has anything been sent to the board that can be shared?  I realize some retesting might be happening now... TIA

Tata said last week they

Tata said last week they hadn't gotten test results back yet. I don't know about this week.

ok thanks...

hopefully soon...

Substitute...

If you make it possible for teachers to be replaced for not performing well (i.e. you drop the state's tenure-type system), then you can probably do as well by raising the pay for all teachers.  Why?  Because doing so creates an incentive for the teachers to stick around and do well -- they can't go and find a similar-paying job someplace else.   That would also make the district's recruiting efforts a lot easier.   For this to work, though, you have to pay more than surrounding districts -- it has to be a substantial hit to leave the district.

It is not about money

It is not about money especially when there is only a couple of % to work with. The good people look for jobs when the boss is crummy, micro manages, is not open to new ideas, weighted down by beauracracy.  Private school teachers do not make more than public school teachers, so how is it that private schools are able to attract quality teachers ?  The environment. Kids come to school to learn, parents are their to support them, the teachers do not have to clean their own classroom, they do not use their own money for supplies and basics.  I am sure the private school biology teacher is not begging for frogs for the class.  In my company since 2008 our merit pay has been - 0%,0%, 2%,2%.  So how do we keep people motivated ?  Flex time, work from home, casual dress,  ability to work with other departments on special projects, more autonomy. 

Well...

The problem is that we only have a couple of percent to work with.   I suspect that if Wake County developed a reputation as a district where good teachers get paid well, we'd end up with a better teaching corps, a lot less turnover, and an easier time recruiting.

You do, however, raise an excellent point about the environment and other intangibles.  That's important, and teachers ought to be treated like professionals.  So, don't do things like assign teachers to lunchroom duty.  Don't expect them to do the janitorial work in their classrooms.  Don't expect them to supply their own copy paper.

Get paid well

Less turnover and easier recruiting - we are still in a recession. I have not heard of an increase in turnover or any problems recruiting teachers.  People do not enter teaching because of the pay, so it is not the pay that sets one district apart from another. Want to create some excitement ? Cut the bureaucracy to that of charters and private schools, fund the schools to cover at least inflation every year, allow more autonomy - it is things like this that will set the district and North Carolina schools apart.  

We had a couple of engineers leave last month. Why did they leave ?  Nicer physical work space and relaxed dress code.

so...

If people don't enter teaching because of the pay, then let's reduce teacher pay to minimum wage.

That's nonsense of course -- we like to think of teachers as altruists, but money has to impact their choices also. You can't tell me that a teacher, faced with job offers from two similar NC districts, wouldn't be swayed by a $10,000 pay difference.

I agree, however, that intangibles can also make a difference .

good points

Actually most private school teachers make less than public school teachers do. Besides the differences you point to that often make a private school job more attractive for teachers despite the lower pay, is the amount of paper work a public school teacher contends with. They have to work much longer hours than a private school teacher because the amount of paper pushing a public school teacher has to do is phenomenal. I know many people who've switched, or considered making the switch, because they have so little time to plan and really think about their teaching because their paper work is so time consuming.

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