There were plenty of apologies and recriminations coming from Wake County school board members on Tuesday over the bus problems.
As noted in today's article, Superintendent Tony Tata and board members apologized to parents and students for the problems last week. But also amid the apologies, the new Democratic board members worked to distance themselves from the problems, blaming staff for telling them they could implement the new transportation plan.
In addition, the choice plan was also a target of the new Democratic board members.
Democratic board member Christine Kushner said she wanted "to apologize for the bus debacle." Kushner called for an independent transportation audit, saying this year's bus problems "were like no other" year she's seen in her 13 years as a school parent.
Kushner also took aim at the prior Republican school board majority. She pointed to how Wake's state transportation efficiency rating had dropped since 2009.
“So what happened in 2009?" Kushner said, "The prior board started picking apart student assignment plans, making them less efficient. They vilified busing despite the fact more than half of our students take the bus to school to get to school.
Yet busing was made a scapegoat. But in truth, our previous system was less costly and more efficient than the post-2009 changes.
The prior board cut more then $4 million from big yellow school bus transportation. Then they added a countywide choice plan, a choice plan that from the start would require more busing. I can’t get the chorus of ‘Big Yellow Taxi’ out of my head. You don’t know what you've got ‘till it’s gone.
I hope the community now clearly sees why the current board has directed the staff to move to an address-based assignment plan. The problems of base assignments are less severe, more easily fixable and less costly than under this experiment with countywide choice."
Kushner noted how they started this school year about 100 buses behind from taking 52 buses off the road to not adding another 50 buses to keep up with growth and to accommodate the choice plan under the old three-tier system.
"We were advised in the spring by staff that the routing system would make this work and we did rely on the superintendent and the staff’s recommendation," Kushner said. "But here comes the complication. The countywide choice plan has created non-contiguous spot assignments throughout the county.
In the closing weeks of registration, schools were full and new students were assigned further and further out. Hundreds of non-contiguous assignments are now scattered throughout the county, adding significant time to bus routes, breaking up neighborhoods and helping create the inefficiencies that we saw last week.
Continuing the countywide choice plan would worsen these problems. Wake County is too big for countywide choice. We don’t have the buses. We don’t have enough space in schools.
We can’t fix what’s broken about the seemingly seductive idea of countywide choice. What this experiment has done is exposed, in my mind, the pressure points on the system on transportation, on programs, but especially on capacity. We need more efficient base assignments with more contiguous assignments.”
Staff acknowledged how the late registrants were sent to further schools than the people who participated in round one of the choice process as being one of the factors that caused the bus problems.
Kushner also pointed to the new board majority's adoption of the student assignment directive in June.
"I'm thankful that in June this board took the courageous step to recognize that a choice plan has critical design flaws," Kushner said. "The staff is creating a hybrid plan with address-based assignments and expanded choice.”
Kushner also blamed the choice plan for creating the long registration lines at Central Office that have caused parents to wait five hours or more and miss a day of work. She said that will disappear when families can go to their base school to register under the new assignment plan.
"Base assignments are not red," Kushner said. "They are not blue. They are not partisan. They are logical and cost effective and we need to be objective of where we are with our school system."
Kushner also said that Superintendent Tony Tata has experience in logistics and "will lead the work to solve the problem."
Democratic board member Susan Evans said she was apologizing "with a heavy heart."
“I want the public to know that when I agreed to allow the staff to implement this new bus routing system in the spring, I did so based on relying on the expertise of the superintendent and the director of transportation and other staff who assured us that this would be feasible and would only increase route times by a few minutes," Evans said. "Based on all of the feedback I've received, and a review of selected bus routes that I have done myself, it is clear to me that the staff did not use realistic estimates of ride time or realistic estimates of numbers of bus riders for each route.”
Evans called the bus problems "the largest operational failure in the Wake County school system” she's observed in 32 years.
Evans also apologized for the long lines caused by the new plan moving registration from base schools to Central Office. She called it “one of many undesirable lessons learned from our experiment with the controlled choice assignment model.”
Republican school board member John Tedesco, like his Democratic colleagues, also apologized to families. But he took exception to the remarks made by Kushner blaming the choice plan on the bus problems.
“There were some comments that I would have to disagree with from some of my colleagues," Tedesco said. "While I certainly agree that this was unacceptable, I commend and appreciate our staff for taking action, putting buses back on the road and moving in the right direction. I do think it’s a bit disingenuous for folks to highlight the challenges that are specific to one issue, as specific to an assignment issue.
You heard that the state efficiency rating came into play and where our efficiency rating ranks in comparison to that. Our staff was very clear to us, and if you look at the state formula for rating efficiency, it’s not based on anything we did since 2009. It’s based on what other districts did across the system.
The way the state efficiency rating works, it’s a comparison rating that compares us against other districts in the system who are looking towards us, making changes, making adjustments to their district. They became more efficient. They got more kids on their bus. They got more stops on their routes and we didn't compete and compare with that anymore and thus the state dropped our rating in contrast because of that. So that’s where some of our adjustments had to be made.
It’s not right. It’s not acceptable. We’re working on it. I think it’s a failure on the way the state efficiency rating is figured out."
Tedesco also took aim at Evans' remark about it being the largest operational failure in Wake in the last 32 years.
“I also think the suggestion that this is the biggest debacle in 32 years is either seriously disingenuous or blind to the fact that we've had multiple issues over the last 32 years, particularly in the issue of transportation where millions and millions of dollars were lost in scandal in the last decade, or when we had mandatory year-round assignments that went to the Supreme Court of North Carolina," Tedesco said. "I think there were many issues that we’ve had to deal with in this district.
And our staff, I commend them for handling this issue in a manner that is responsible and working hard for the families of this county.”
During his board members comments at the start of the meeting, Democratic board member Jim Martin apologized while saying “I believe what happened was completely preventable.”
Martin, like Kushner, called for an external transportation audit.
Martin said the problems were preventable because, back when the bell schedules were adopted in the spring, he said he had asked how much additional mileage would be added by the choice plan. Martin said he's since found out the choice plan increased bus mileage by 20 percent.
"How we could have 4,000 extra students, 20 percent additional miles and still think we could remove 50 buses from the fleet?" Martin said. "That’s not math that I understand. I don’t think that’s in the common core.”
Martin also said that the bus problems experienced when year-round schools opened in July should have been a warning about last week's problems with the traditional-calendar schools.
“We had warning," Martin said about the year-round problems. "Why didn't’t we heed it?”
During public comment, speakers from the Great Schools in Wake Coalition also blamed the bus problems on the choice plan while criticizing the former board majority and Tata.
Former board member Beverley Clark pointed back to the January paper released by Great Schools warning about the problems with the choice plan. Clark said the former majority didn't take the time to study the choice plan and consider the consequences of its implementation.
“The bus disasters of the last week are directly related to the inefficiency of the choice plan," Clark said. "You can’t fix the bus problem without fixing the choice problem. I commend the five of you who voted in June to find a better way.
I caution you not to accept mere window dressing on the choice plan. And I ask you, can you trust the same inexperienced staff that created the current fiasco be trusted to lead our system out of this mess?”
Patty Williams of Great Schools said they have “a failing assignment plan” and “a failing transportation system.”
“How long should we let this go on before we let the superintendent and the staff that he has hired answer to the board and answer to the citizens of Wake County?” Williams said.
Williams also took aim at an argument made earlier in the meeting by GOP board member Deborah Prickett who said part of the problems were caused by staff''s desire to provide stability by allowing grandfathering. Staff has previously said that allowing grandfathering increased the number of routes that need to be served.
But Williams said that the bus problems would have been worse this year if they hadn't allowed grandfathering.
During staff's presentation on the bus situation, GOP board member Debra Goldman said she wanted to respond to the "inexperienced staff" comment. She asked Don Haydon, chief facilities and operations officer, to note how long he and Bob Snidemiller, senior director for transportation, have worked in Wake.
Tedesco also responded to the criticism of staff and the choice plan during the end of staff's update on the bus situation.
“Board members and guests were making comments who are using this opportunity to, dare I say, make political potshots at our superintendent, at our staff and saying ‘Mr. Tata’s choice plan, inexperienced staff,’ and things like this," Tedesco said.
What I heard though from our explanation tonight was that one of the more nominal impacts was from the assignment issue. Most of it was efficiency rating, recruitment, all kinds of things and I reject the idea that it’s Mr. Tata’s choice plan.
This is our choice plan. We’re a board. We chose it. We accepted it. We made that decision. Now some of you came on after the fact and I know we’re working on making adjustments and changes to that point. But the board accepted that with a bipartisan way and moved in that direction.
Ninety percent of the decisions that were made in terms of transportation this year: new bell schedules, timelines, buses off the road on the timeline you showed were with this board. We have to own some of this stuff, not just deflect it on the staff, not just deflect in how we present it to the community.
And I would respect the chairman’s earlier comments to us in email that we do learn to work together and communicate with one voice on these things. I respect many decisions that were voted upon that I may not agree with. But once that happens, I recognize that we speak with one unified voice as a board, and I would encourage our board members not to use this opportunity for political potshots on issues that we don’t like or on our staff and to use this as an opportunity to come together and work on solving this issue for our families."
“John, if you want to speak with one voice, then make sure you speak with our voice on occasion," responded Martin.

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Thu, 09/06/2012 - 13:39 — SideburnsBuses were taken off the road to improve our efficiency rating. Sure, it wasn't the best timing but, in order to save $5M in state funding, it was done. I'm sure many who are complaining now would be complaining about the loss of funding as well. Someone was incompetent but I wouldn't be so quick to blame this on Tata. Haydon had a lot of explaining to do at the meeting on Tuesday.
As to capacity, it's interesting that you weren't concerned about capacity when you were at your magnet school. Seats don't magically appear when you want to return. Someone else has to be pushed out to accommodate your child. That isn't true now. IMO, that's a good thing. I'm much rather have stability for our students than what we seem to be moving back to.
School Choice & Efficiency Rating are Correlated
Fri, 09/07/2012 - 10:24 — Apexcitizen1You can't say the efficiency rating and school choice plan aren't related. They we're counting on money from state based on the efficiency rating that they didn't have a chance in realistically ever hitting. It's analogous to an over draft situation at your bank. " I thought we had money in the account when we went to the store." In this case they were banking on the $5.0 million dollar savings. One of two things happened here. He either pushed his staff to hard to make the numbers work to achieve the 5.0m or his staff went at it to aggressively to "please the boss" that they hit the desired efficiency number. It's Tata's fault for the communication failure that led to this situation and he needs to figure out is it his style or his staff not being transparent enough. Sometimes it's difficult to deliver the bad new to your boss. I do think Tata is making genuine efforts to resolve the situation, just to bad it got to his point. On the whole I think he's been doing a good job in a terribly demanding job.
One thing you are consistent
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 14:39 — tropicalgirlOne thing you are consistent in is your propensity for assuming. Not sure where you got that I wasn't concerned about capacity when I was at our magnet. Not sure how you would know what I was concerned about but I look forward to you continuing to enlighten me. I agree that it is a good thing to not have someone pushed out when someone chooses to return.
What I didn't agree with was that our choice to return was not grandfathered in (the way people's current school was) for the initial year of the plan. Instead, it was abruptly changed and what we had been a key factor in us deciding to try a magnet was taken away. People choosing magnets now do so with the knowledge that they can't return that easily. And that's fine - they know what they're getting into.
I'm curious, weren't you at an opt-out traditional school and able to return before the choice plan was implemented? What child was pushed out to accommodate your child's return?
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Thu, 09/06/2012 - 14:47 — Sideburns...weren't you at an opt-out traditional school and able to return before the choice plan was implemented?
Nope. We remained at our opt-out (even though it changed after a year of attending and we weren't offered transportation when we grandfathered). We never "returned" to any school.
Did your child ever attend their base assignment? Not that it matters but you used the word "return" as if you had attended there previously. So, what was your concern about capacity previously and what did you do about it?
I am using Wake County's
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 16:23 — tropicalgirlI am using Wake County's language. We were assigned to a base school for kindergarten and a month later notified that we were accepted into a magnet. WCPSS's own language was that once accepted, that would be our assignment unless we chose to "return to our base."
My concerns then were more generic that capacity at all schools was going to be strained as the county population grew. I voted for the last bond and I also supported the idea of having developers build schools when they build new neighborhoods (to not put more pressure on existing schools). However, I believe the board at that time was not in favor of that because they didn't want a neighborhood to have a claim on a school and it never went anywhere.
Are you still at your opt-out? If so, I was wondering how the feeder patterns impacted you. Some of the parents at opt-outs that I talked to had the same concern I did about the magnet - that feeder patterns were based on school and resulted in their children being sent to further away schools for middle or high school and they would have to go through the choice plan to get a closer school.
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Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:01 — SideburnsNo, we aged out of our opt-out. We are now at our calendar choice school. And my feeder pattern is just fine. My point isn't what has happened to me - unless you're just being nosy.
The problem you don't seem to accept is that this plan has brought so many more benefits to all students and families in Wake County. Sure, you lost your "return to base" option but that was never really a guarantee anyway. If your node was reassigned while you were at your magnet, your base assignment would have changed - and it could have been farther away. Your continued complaints about this plan and calling Tata incompetent are being used as a reason to move back to a base assignment plan - which will guarantee a return of reassignments. If that's what you want, so be it. But, be careful what you wish for.
Since you asked me so many
Fri, 09/07/2012 - 08:57 — tropicalgirlSince you asked me so many questions about our situation, I was curious about your own since you are one of this plan's biggest cheerleaders. As you say, your feeder pattern is just fine so you can't possibly empathize with people who were put on feeder patterns 15 miles from home. If that's nosy then so be it.
And I am not calling Mr. Tata incompetent to get back to the old plan - thanks for suggesting that my complaints have so much power, though. I called him and his staff incompetent because the implementation of the choice plan was a disaster for those of us who had to go through it (the vast majority of people were already assigned to the school they wanted) and because of the recent bus fiasco. Guess what? I can complain all I want and say whatever I want - free country and all that. As I recall, you got vocal because of MYR and reassignments affecting YOUR children. It is well within my rights to speak up when something affects MY child.
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Fri, 09/07/2012 - 09:37 — SideburnsNo, you pretty much laid your life out there. We all know about your child, her daycare issues, which schools you like and don't like, your job, your husband, your neighbors, etc.
I'm not saying you shouldn't complain. Have at it. The bus issue was horrible and avoidable. What I'm saying is that you should be careful what you wish for. Joining the small chorus of "this plan is horrible" because you didn't get what you wanted and blaming it for the bus problems is exactly why our school system will move backwards rather than improving what we have.
I did get vocal when it affected my family - but I had to opt-out; I had to drive my child to school because grandfathering didn't have transportation; I had to cross my fingers for a calendar choice. But, my view didn't remain self-serving. Your view is myopic and in-the-moment. You've even admitted that your neighbors (and yourself, perhaps?) don't really care what others want or how system-level decisions affect them - and they should fight for themselves. Take a deep breath and look at the grand scheme of things. Moving back to base assignments would have helped you return from your magnet but it does nothing to serve our community.
"Moving back to base
Fri, 09/07/2012 - 16:42 — danofnc"Moving back to base assignments would have helped you return from your magnet but it does nothing to serve our community."
That's certainly not a guarantee. You don't have to be a "go back to the old diversity policy" person to think that a plan with base assignments is better than the current plan.
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Fri, 09/07/2012 - 16:45 — SideburnsUh, I didn't mention anything about the diversity policy.
" ....... is exactly why our
Fri, 09/07/2012 - 23:15 — danofnc" ....... is exactly why our school system will move backwards rather than improving what we have."
"I did get vocal when it affected my family - but I had to opt-out; I had to drive my child to school because grandfathering didn't have transportation; I had to cross my fingers for a calendar choice."
"Take a deep breath and look at the grand scheme of things. Moving back to base assignments would have helped you return from your magnet but it does nothing to serve our community."
Well what, exactly, are you referencing in these passages? You don't have to specifically say "diversity policy" to be referencing the diversity policy.
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Sat, 09/08/2012 - 09:51 — SideburnsI was talking about base assignments - which is exactly what that last sentence said in reference to a returning from a magnet. With or without a diversity component, base assignments will lead to reassignments. I have yet to hear anyone argue otherwise.
Are you looking for a discussion about diversity or just fixated on it?
I don't think reassignment
Sat, 09/08/2012 - 11:30 — danofncI don't think reassignment is the worst thing ever. Obviously some of the multiple reassignments were crazy, but I'm sure there's a way to limit that moving forward.
When you talk about the school system "moving backwards" in relation to assignment, I don't think I'm crazy to think you're referencing diversity since it was a key component in the old assignment plan and also the main thing that the new "choice" plan was supposed to be moving us away from.
Rewriting 6200 was one of the first things your man oversaw as chairman of the BOE, after all.
We're better off with base assignments because probably 75-80% (at least) of families will just go where you send them. It makes things much more simple and easy to understand. If you offer "choice", you get people complaining because they didn't get what seems like their most logical, obvious first choice. Whether their complaints seem legitimate to others is immaterial.
Wake County doesn't have tons of empty seats. The schools need to be run as efficiently as possible, and choice doesn't do that at all.
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Sat, 09/08/2012 - 16:03 — SideburnsBut, again, I wasn't talking about diversity assignments. I was talking about using base assignments. You may not be crazy to think I mean diversity - but you are wrong.
We're better off with base assignments because probably 75-80% (at least) of families will just go where you send them.
How'd you reach that figure?
I just can't fathom why people are so eager to give up any possiblity of choice - and go back to being told where to go -- unless they truly believe that going back to base assignments will take care of their child in that moment - like Apexcitizen1 and tropicalgirl believe.
We lost our fight so
Mon, 09/10/2012 - 08:54 — tropicalgirlWe lost our fight so returning to base assignments would not help us in any way now. I just believe that base assignments make the most sense - seems to work for most of the country. The problem with them in Wake County before was that the implementation was screwed up by the diversity plan.
I just can't fathom why anyone thinks that we are all entitled to choose from five schools in a public school system.
Your last paragraph is
Sat, 09/08/2012 - 18:31 — danofncYour last paragraph is another example of you talking about diversity without really talking about diversity. You can say I'm wrong all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that the base assignments of the previous policy are representative of the reassignments, busing, MYR, and all the other things that people complained about for so long, and claiming that we're going "backwards" will obviously bring all of those things to mind for most people. You can't possibly not know what you're doing, even if you are leaving yourself enough wiggle room to be able to claim you haven't mentioned diversity.
There's no reason to fear base assignments unless you also fear a return to the diversity bus rides. It's that simple.
The fact that you may not be assigned to your desired school is no different than the fact that you may not get your first choice under the current plan.
Your problem Dan...is that
Sat, 09/08/2012 - 21:54 — shearertwYour problem Dan...is that you can't seem to grasp what anyone is taking about.
No, I don't actually have a
Sat, 09/08/2012 - 22:34 — danofncNo, I don't actually have a problem.
You are the ringleader of the crowd that starts crowing about busing and/or trashing the current BOE whenever someone mentions a base assignment, so I don't know why you're talking now.
There are positives and negatives to both types of assignment. Personally, I think that WCPSS' particular situation makes base assignments a better choice, and I don't think it's a close call. Either way, pretending that talking about "going backwards" isn't a veiled (or not) attempt at tying the old diversity policy and multiple reassignments to the larger concept of base assignments is just ridiculous.
With the choice plan and promises of "no reassignments", you're going to end up with more and more students who are the only kid in their neighborhood going to a particular school. That is going to continue to eat at the transportation budget, and there's no real way to avoid it in the choice plan because WCPSS' doesn't have enough extra capacity.
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Sat, 09/08/2012 - 22:57 — SideburnsI've never been accused of being veiled. Thanks for the chuckle.
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Sat, 09/08/2012 - 20:29 — SideburnsIf you want to talk about diversity assignments, let's talk. I'm not afraid of discussing them so there's no reason for not really talking about it.
Base assignments and diversity assignments are different topics. The new choice plan could have incorporated diversity assignments (and to some effect, it does) but it doesn't have base assignments. We could also have a base assignment plan that doesn't have diversity assignments. They are two separate items. And, in the previous posts, I was discussing base assignments.
Base assignments are too rigid to address the growth in this county. There is no flexiblity for the influx of students. Using base assignments will lead to reassignment (I feel like I'm repeating myself). Add diversity assignments to base assignments and we're back to where we started. So, as I said, that is moving backwards.
The fact that you may not be assigned to your desired school is no different than the fact that you may not get your first choice under the current plan.
Last time we had that discussion, you said that you believe choice is a list of one. Let's not go there again.
I agree with you about base
Sat, 09/08/2012 - 12:13 — jenmanI agree with you about base assignments. I think the majority of the issues with reassignment stemmed from adding the diversity component. Many of the moves that GM attributed to opening a new school were actually driven by diversity and those drew the majority of the complaints. That and the inflexibility that staff and the BOE had towards things like keeping siblings in the same school.
Question then
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 12:12 — Dove314If he acknowledged there would an increased need and cost, then why did he go along with cutting the numbers of buses and the transportation budget?
JEEEEEEESSSSSS...........Ok
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 12:52 — shearertwJEEEEEEESSSSSS...........Ok Ok Ok....Tata is to blame of the busing "crisis". He's the Sup, the boss, the big guy at the top and he should (and has) taking the blame and he should (and has) take responsibility for it and he should (and is) find a way to remedy the issue. Now, if we could just get out President to do the same but I digress....
Back to reality.....is this busing "crisis" really the worst thing that has ever occurred in WCPSS? Is it really worse than the MYR fiasco? Is it really worse than the unfilled seats due to YR? Is it really worse than the years and years of unnecessary reassignments? Is it really worse than years and years of keeping poor and minority students out of higher level math placement? Is it really worse than busing kids for 2 hrs just to send them to a lower ED school when that has been shown not to have had ANY effect on their academic performance? Is it really worse than going years and years with ED students performing worse in magnet schools? I could go on but I'm thinking you may be catch on....
Catching on?
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 13:25 — Dove314Am catching on that you like hyperbole and exaggeration not to mention stereotyping others based on your own political beliefs, but then that is rather obvious. Nice overreaction to the question asked though. When I cut through all your hyperbole and rhetoric, I'm guessing, stress guessing, you are taking the circuitous route to say the problems with the buses this year are being overhyped and that Tata, excepting the buses, has done a good job and should be judged on the totality of his actions rather than solely on the transportation performance of the few weeks?
I didn’t stereotype
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 15:50 — shearertwI didn’t stereotype anyone (except Liberals from time to time)…some others did, but not me. Would you like to include an example of where I stereotyped other s (outside of Liberals).
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Thu, 09/06/2012 - 16:01 — Dove314LOL. So you agree that you like hyperbole and exaggeration?
You know. i am just
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:30 — shearertwYou know. i am just wondering when I can expect my apology from you, Dan, and Solon for suggesting I am some sort of racist because of my scientifically based comments linking race to disease? Have you no shame in making those false accusations based on your own ignorance?
Hmmm.....
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:33 — Dove314This board doesn't require civility. You're a grown up. If you don't like the responses to some of the things you post, that's your problem. Isn't that the way this blog roles? Certainly, that is what I've been told often enough.
Well...I don't mind
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:22 — shearertwWell...I don't mind apologizing or admitting when I've been wrong. Guess you, Dan and Solon just don't have the same character. Don't worry... I am a grown up and I didn't expect that you did.
Then go right on
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:39 — Dove314Then go right on and apologize given I did not do what you stated inyour above post. Speaking of jumping to conclusions, might want to check that other thread.
Did you did you not say that
Fri, 09/07/2012 - 09:06 — shearertwDid you did you not say that I was just "stereotyping" based on my "political beliefs" when, in fact, I was simply making statements agreed to by the AMA, the AHA, the CDC and the WHO? I noticed you shut up pretty quickly after I produced several scientific articles backing up my statements and pointed out there are 100's more in the literature. Please explain to me what "political belief system" is associated with the statement that race is an independent risk factor for obesity, diabetes and heart disease? I simply thought it was medical science but perhaps I'm missing something.
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Fri, 09/07/2012 - 17:17 — Dove314Stereotyping refers to you stereotyping posters and "liberals", but then you knew that already. As for genetics, when you get to the heart of it, the reality is that a given gene is associated with a phenotypic expression of a characteristic such as obesity, as you know. But very few genes are uniquely present in only one ethnicity. It is fair to say that a gene, X, is associated with increased obesity. It is fair to say that gene X is more common in a particular ethnicity or gender. But that isn't how you phrased it.
I never said a particular
Fri, 09/07/2012 - 19:49 — shearertwI never said a particular gene is associated with one ethnicity. I simply said there was high incidences of those diseases in certain ethnicities partially due to their genetic susceptibility which has been influenced by their natural history. Every one has the same genes, there are just different versions on the same gene. Some versions of gene are nearly unique to certain populations although that is rare.
You know, forget it... I don't know why I bother. Some of you are just here to argue and simply do not have the character or the courage to admit when you are wrong. You will simply make excuses or twist words until the cows come home.
My time is more valuable than to play your games. Have a great weekend. I'm going to eat some fast, easy, unhealthy food.
Google "Jimmy the Greek
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:54 — danofncGoogle "Jimmy the Greek fired", and then maybe you'll understand how the fact that you based your stereotyping in fact doesn't make my comment incorrect.
I'm actually old enough that
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:28 — shearertwI'm actually old enough that I didn't have to ask Google about Jimmy the Greek but don't see the correlation at all. I do, however, see someone so ready to call someone a racist at every turn you can't even discuss medical science without them pulling the race card. I also see a person trying to use a lame example just so they dont have to admit they were just wrong and jumped to conclusions. It really shows me your lack of character on so many levels. I find it a little sad, actually.
I didn't call you a
Fri, 09/07/2012 - 07:33 — danofncI didn't call you a racist. I said people have been fired for less.
Jimmy the Greek talked about history and genetics just like you did, and he got fired for it. No one who knew him said he was a racist.....people actually said the exact opposite. Jimmy the Greek, for you, is proof that the fact that you didn't mean for something to be offensive doesn't mean that it's not.
http://www.nowpublic.com/sports/look-back-jimmy-greeks-racist-comment-21-years-later
By the way....you left out the part about highly-processed US foods and their role in all of the diseases you attribute to genetics. We live in a culture governed by fast-food and "easy" food, and those foods aren't healthy.
Oh please Dan... You're not
Fri, 09/07/2012 - 09:00 — shearertwOh please Dan... You're not fooling anyone. We all know your game. When you have no argument you simply try and marginalize everyone else by calling them bigots, or racist or "stereotyping", etc.
There is nothing similar between my statements and those of Jimmy the Greek....nothing. In addition to it not being scientifically factual, it WAS/IS offensive because it ignored the hard work that black athletes put into being good athletes. My statements are backed up by scientific research which has identified race and an INDEPENDENT risk factor for obesity, diabetes and heart disease. In addition, in recent years, researchers have actually been able to identify several of those genes and mechanistically link them to the way the body handles fat, sugar and even how the brain prefers certain types of food over others.
I find it incredible that you think my statement regarding race, genetics and health issues such as obesity, diabetes and heart disease which are backed up by the AHA, the CDC, the AMA and the WHO is offensive is truly amazing! You believe it is offensive to mention a medical fact backed up by reams of REAL science while at the same time you find it ok to claim you can't put a lot of black kids in one school and expect it to be successful.
Finally, you comment regarding processed and "easy" foods clearly shows you have no idea what I am talking about. Race is an INDEPENDENT risk factor. Please take a moment to educate yourself on what that means....
Do you know what a gene is? Did you know that genes are responsible for black people being black and white people being white? Is that statement somehow offensive? Did you know that there are genes that cause some men to become bald? Did you know that there are some genes that are associated with an increase risk of getting breast cancer? Did you know that there are genes that are associated with an increase risk of developing Type I diabetes (I actually have some of those myself)?
Genes are a fact of life. We study them so we can understand how to prevent disease and better treat disease. When we seen racial groups developing disease at a higher incidence rate, we try and figure out why that is so we can find ways to prevent or cure the disease. Did you really think you were putting out some sort of revelation regarding "processed" and "easy" food? No one is ignoring that. No one is ignoring the environmental factors that are primarily to blame for an increase in obesity, diabetes and heart disease in all types of people. The truth is, none of our bodies evolved to deal with this little exercise and this much "easy" food. However, when you see a dramatically higher incidence of certain diseases in certain racial groups or even familial lines, you can hypothesize that there could also be a genetic component that makes these people more susceptible. Identifying what those genes are is the first step towards developing ways to treat the disease. That is exactly why researchers are studying the genetics of Native Americans and African Americans so intensely as they may carry the information that will lead to new treatments of these diseases for everyone.
The fact that you find this to be on par with Jimmy the Greek statements is frankly incredible. I'm going to just have to assume you were simply ignorant and really just didn't understand what I was talking about. We all certainly know you're not going to admit that and instead continue to play your games.
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Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:41 — SideburnsI'm still waiting for my apology from dan for saying I call people race-baiters. It ain't gonna happen.
Where's your example of me
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 16:53 — shearertwWhere's your example of me stereotyping?
Hypebole and exaggeration
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 16:52 — shearertwHypebole and exaggeration does have its place. It can also be fun and entertaining as well as help deal with what otherwise can be a very frustrating conversation with people who have no idea what they are talking about because their only source of information is Colbert and MSNBC.
Especially...
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 08:55 — bpuli9999considering his military career was in logistics.
We'll get into it more
Wed, 09/05/2012 - 09:55 — KeungHui (author)We'll get into it more detail later. But staff listed a variety of mistakes, such as doubling the number of buses they initially had told the board they were going to remove, not adequately accounting for the time it would take to load buses and to run them in actual traffic conditions, not having enough time to develop the new routes and the choice plan leading to traveling further to transport the students who registered after the first round.
What happened in 2009
Wed, 09/05/2012 - 09:40 — nmoskalIf Ms. Kushner has checked out the NCDPI webpage, she could have quickly found a chart and a number of reports showing that what happened in 2009 was that other districts implemented efficiency plans (as staff had indicated), thereby making Wake appear relatively less efficient. CMS took 100 buses off the road and Cabarrus took 53 off to name two. Those districts had started their studies and implementation plans before 2009. Why wasn't Wake keeping up with peers and working on efficiency before 2009?
Also, why are "diversity" assignment supporters ignoring the fact that some of the miles under the choice plan relate to the draw areas for the regional choice schools being huge? Routes stretch from SE Raleigh and Garner and into Holly Springs, Apex and Cary - seems likely to be some diversity in there. I thought that was what they wanted. Can't have your cake and eat it too. Something's got to give.
If you want pure efficiency and short bus rides, go to a pure "neighborhood" schools model. If you don't want "neighborhood,"It quite complaining about the volume of busing.
I have to wonder When in the
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 13:29 — DrActualFactualI have to wonder When in the timeline of implementing the new choice plan did staff become aware of the lousy bus efficiency rating? When did they decide to address revamping the bus efficiency rating into the mix of all the other operational changes (3-tier to 2-tier busing, new assignment plan, etc.?) I do recall that Supt. Tata had said that to accommodate grandfathering students under the old plan while implementing the new plan the system would require 5 or more buses over the short term while grandfathered students and students with distant assignments aged out of their schools. Supt. Tata is taking the heat for the miscalculations of some of his top transportation and facilities staff members. Next year, if the bell schedules have to change to support GA changes the routes will all change again and we will be under the new assignment plan directive that will also likely cause turbulence in what should be day-to-day operational functions. Perhaps the GPS equipment we are getting will help with some of these issues but I guess we will see soon enough if there is a repeat of problems surrounding bus routes next year.
Question
Wed, 09/05/2012 - 10:10 — youthinksoWhat is a "pure neighborhood school"?
Bob is correct
Wed, 09/05/2012 - 10:52 — nmoskalPure was meant to describe the model. Students are all base assigned to the most proximate school with capacity for them and all schools are on same calendar and offer the same specials (although they may have variances in interventions) - no magnets, no calendar choice needs, no themes, no academies, etc.
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Wed, 09/05/2012 - 10:24 — Bob_SconceI think it's a "pure" model, not a "pure" school.
Plenty of blame to go around
Wed, 09/05/2012 - 09:01 — mnordbergPlenty of blame to go around with the new choice plan and growth and trying to save money. However, ultimately it comes down to the board members who didn't do enough due diligence when staff told them they could do it. Obviously the staff didn't understand or was direct to say they could implement new choice plan, new bell schedules, growth, hitting efficiency numbers and saving money all at the same time. Somebody had to have an idea that all the things being asked that there were going to be risks and it could not all be done and the board members should have pushed the staff harder to get the information out of them. Was the staff asked to do the impossible, probably but they should have let somebody know it was not possible. Only the voters can get rid of the board members but somebody in the school staff (transportation director maybe) should be held accountable for the mess and figure out what needs to be done moving forward.
Jim, John doesn't need to speak with your voice
Wed, 09/05/2012 - 07:34 — FSandYOUyou have it all covered with your big mouth all on your own. And incase you missed it along the way, you are in the majority, your voice is all that matters. Too bad you've YET to use to accomplish something!
Now to the real story Mr. Hui, did you bother asking how they are paying for all this additional bussing?
It's a bit hypocritical
Wed, 09/05/2012 - 08:17 — SatchHHIt's a bit hypocritical for John T. to ask the board to speak with one voice, but clearly expect the other members to join his voice. I think Jim M. is correct to point out that an equally reasonable alternative is for John T. to join the majority members' voice too. Perhaps JM didn't make his point in the most gracious way, but I'm glad he stands up to John T's grandstanding and posturing. One voice should not equal JT's voice. We've had quite enough of the JT "voice."