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Wake County school board member Debra Goldman filed police complaint after argument over firing Superintendent Tony Tata

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It looks like Wake County school board member Debra Goldman may have filed a police complaint against school board vice chairman Keith Sutton following a heated exchange over the firing of Superintendent Tony Tata.

As noted in today's article, Goldman contacted a Cary police officer assigned to the school board meeting on Sept. 25 to lodge a complaint of communicating threats. The report shows the location where the threat was communicated was the school board offices and that the person who made the alleged threat was an "acquaintance."

While the report doesn't list the acquaintance's name and police won't say it either, the time listed on the report is 4 p.m. between the end of the recently completed closed session and the start of the open session vote on firing Tata.

The report also says the case was later closed and the "unfounded" box was checked under disposition status.

School board member Deborah Pricket said just before the end of the Sept. 25 closed session that Sutton got out of his seat, leaned over toward Goldman, clenched his fists and loudly said to her, ‘Shut the (expletive) up!” Prickett said Goldman was "really shocked" by the remark.

The expletive in question is the f-word.

The previous day during the closed session, Prickett said Sutton had told the GOP members that he and the Democratic members were “going to kick your asses.”

If you guys are wondering about Prickett discussing closed-session matters,  she said she can do so because she's discussing the behavior of the board members and not the specific issues that were brought up.

On Wednesday, Sutton denied taking any threatening action toward Goldman or of making an unprovoked rejoinder. He questioned whether he was singled out as the only African-American male on the board.

“Don’t you think it would be awfully weird for someone to yell at someone to ‘shut up’ and it be completely unprovoked?” Sutton said. “If I am the only one that is singled out, but clearly through her comments and emails that others were engaged in similar behavior, does it not occur to you that this may be racial?”

Democratic board member Jim Martin said Wednesday no one was threatened.

“At no time during any of the board meetings was safety an issue for anyone,” Martin said. “So (during) the exchange between Sutton and Goldman, from my perspective, and I was there, safety was never an issue.”

If, as it likely seems, that Sutton was the person named by Goldman, he'd be the second board member after Chris Malone who Goldman previously implicated in a police complaint. Goldman didn't return calls Wednesday.

Emails between board members show that it got very tense during the closed-session discussions.

In a Sept. 30 email message to school board chairman Kevin Hill and copied to the full board, Prickett wrote:

"In the last two closed session board meetings, there have been multiple unprovoked, offensive, and threatening outbursts by Vice Chairman Keith Sutton. Several days have passed since the last incident and another closed session meeting approaches. As Chair, you have done nothing so far to address this situation and there have been no apologies issued. This is very concerning. What assurances can we have that Mr. Sutton's inappropriate behavior will not be an ongoing source of conflict?"

Later on Sept. 30, Martin responded to Prickett's email:

"With all due respect, Mr. Sutton was not the only member, nor the first member to issue an 'offensive and threatening outburst.' All Board members need to work at increased civility rather seeming to make an issue out of a non-issue as I believe this email from Mrs. Prickett does."

Goldman fires her response to Martin's email later on Sept. 30:

"A 'nonissue?' How degrading. I agree with Deborah. I would like to know what will be done to assure that this level of elevation is dealt with. She is not the only one that is uncomfortable with the concept of going into closed session until this is handled."

Hill responds on Oct. 1:

"I remember our last session where Mr. Sutton raised his voice. I also remember our last two closed sessions where another Board member rose to their feet raising his/her voice as loudly as Mr. Sutton. Even though our sessions have been heated and dealing with difficult issues, this does not make this type of behavior acceptable. I am asking all Board members to remember that we are professionals and that we must work together in a civil manner and the behaviors demonstrated by a few members reflects negatively on all members. This is my expectation .... It is up to all Board members to live up to this expectation. I consider this matter closed."

Prickett disagreed in a response on Oct. 2 that the matter was closed:

"You seem to be passing off Vice Chair's Sutton's offensive and threatening behavior as a common heated disagreement. It went beyond that. Also, you seem to be assigning the same culpability to Mr. Sutton's inappropriate outbursts as you are to the reaction that supported the person(s) to whom the comments/actions were directed. I hope your intention is not to just sweep these reoccurring and escalating incidences under the rug.

I do not consider this matter closed, and I an expecting an appropriate resolution."

Later that day, Goldman sent an email message saying "I concur."

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OT--Southeast Raleigh Family University

From the WCPSS "morning announcements":

 

More than 200 parents from four elementary schools attended the Southeast Raleigh Family University at Bugg Magnet Elementary.  The Southeast Raleigh Family University provided parents research-based strategies on how to help their children succeed. Parents from Barwell Road Elementary, Bugg Magnet Elementary, Fuller Magnet Elementary and Walnut Creek Elementary attended the October 18 event.

The program provided several speakers who shared new ideas, strategies, tips, updated research regarding best practices, and advice based on experience to help children. In this session, Bugg teachers presented on bullying prevention, family fitness, disability awareness, and supporting gifted students. They launched a book study of Ten Steps to Helping your Child Succeed in School by Mychal Wynn.

N.C. State sports medicine graduate students provided childcare. Ruckus Pizza in Cary donated dinner and McDonalds donated drinks.

The four elementary schools plan to hold more Southeast Raleigh Family University programs on November 15, 2012, January 17, 2013, February 21, 2013, April 18, 2013, and May 16, 2013.

Thanks to Bugg assistant principal Ruth Ann Freeman for sharing this story.

Malone and his reported "other" woman need to step down

Okay enough is enough. We've got all the Republican hacks in this forum (or maybe the same one using a variety of pseudonyms!!) that are throwing a variety of smokescreens and/or using bizarre reverse psychology. They're quick to switch topics and are even telling us to elect the woman to state office and Malone to the General Assembly claiming the two then won't be making decsions about our kids any more in light of their widely reported "sex scandal" (as labeled on NBC news). In "Bob_Sconce's" case there is no reverse psychology at play - he says he hates adultery but will vote for Mr. Malone all the same. Again bizarre!!!! The N&O reports Mr. Malone as saying "we were like high school kids". I don't want high school kids making decisions about my kids and $1.4 billion dollars! We need adults not reported adulterers running our excellent public school system. And the police report apparently adds he stated was in a "heated physical relationship" with the other GOP member while his wife and kids sat at home. To top things off Mr. Malone in the now confirmed police report apparently states he had financial issues and had to borrow money from his brother. To pay the family bills? No, apparently to get a new truck!!! I'm sorry but Mr. Malone should show us that he has some integrity left and act as a role model for our students and society and resign immediately. It is going to be so sad having to see him in Board meetings making decisions about our kids or in the General Assemby making decisions about our taxes and schools across our great state!!

Paula, "Independent, Fair & Speaking Up for MY Kids."

Not to speak for Bob but I

Not to speak for Bob but I believe his position is that he hates adultery, which was a low point for Mr. Malone.  Voting for the alternative, Lori Milburg, however, for whom adultery would be the high point, is completely unacceptable.  So...given that not voting is the same as voting for the worst candidate, Bob (an me for that matter) have little choice but to vote for Mr. Malone.

Sorry, that's funny

" Lori Milburg, however, for whom adultery would be the high point"

Read more here: http://blogs.newsobserver.com/comment/reply/51422/275064#storylink=cpy

How do you plan on voting

How do you plan on voting for Chris Malone?

?

Why is that bizarre?  It's the lesser of two evils: (1) an adulterer who, nevertheless, is likely to pursue education reform, (2) an evil sycophant who is likely to try to block reform.  Between the two, I'd take (1).any day of the week.

Wouldn't they...

both be adulterers? Also, nice prioritization of evil. 

So you would rather pick the less evil of two republicans than stand for principle and vote for neither? Unless, of course, that is your principle - party first - morals later.

Um

Bpuli9999 

I bet you supported Bill Clinton after his trist (one of many)...You are the hypocrite. And don't say "well I bet you supported impeaching him for it". I supported impeachment because he perjured himself, he can't practice law to this day because of that. This election is not for pope afterall and last time I heard adultery is not against the law. Goldman's other claim is at best a delusion IMHO and I guess the police's also.

Um...

My (2) was Lori Millburg.

I am standing on principle, just not the same principle that you want me to stand on.  My principle is that I vote for the lesser of two evils.

ENJOYED...

...every word with sugar and milk, Paula!

None of these buffoons are fit to lead

All nine are on their way to yet another first, being fired/removed by Governor McCrory.

Rumor has it!

Rumor has it!

Rumor has it!

I can't wait!!!

I can't wait!!!

So why...

are you holding it in?

Sound like bullying to me. 

Sound like bullying to me.  They are acting like a bunch of school children  who are not following the Character Education traits that students are expected to exemplify.  Courage, GOOD JUDGEMENT, INTEGRITY, KINDNESS, perseverence, RESPECT, RESPONSIBILITY AND SELF DISCIPLINE.  Maybe if we start a "board member of the month" program similar to student  of the month in the schools, they will shape up.......or not

Agree I like the Character Education idea

Perhaps we could also institute a clip system for behavior.  

Good behavior your above the line bad behavior your clip is moved down.

I think during the next working session they all should be in silent lunch...

Bullying backfires

I think at this point, our "Real School Board of Wake County" has proven that bullying, whether by Republicans or Democrats, further deepens discord and doesn't help improve anything for kids in schools. I don't think they are capable of the traits you mention in caps.  Unlike children, these 9 BoE members are all adults who know what those terms mean and have actively rejected exemplifying them to act with less maturity than the children they were elected to represent.

Not certain if they have the

Not certain if they have the capacity to understand and adhere to these traits.  School systems, particularly this one, pick up the buzz words, then latch on to useless programs (not in all cases, but many), to show that they are doing something about a nationally recognized problem.

No one, other than teachers and parents, care if the intervention works.  As long as it "looks like" they are addressing the issue.

Is threatening to beat the

Is threatening to beat the other guy up one of the 7 highly-effecive traits? 

.I believe it is in the

.I believe it is in the "special edition" printed specifically for Wake County School Board members

...

“If I am the only one that is singled out, but clearly through her comments and emails that others were engaged in similar behavior, does it not occur to you that this may be racial?”

Ah, yes. There's the Sutton we know and love. It couldn't possibly be that he was threatening and behaved wrong. It was because he is African-American. That certainly didn't take long to play.

 

Read more here: http://blogs.newsobserver.com/wakeed/wake-county-school-board-member-debra-goldman-filed-police-complaint-after-argument-over-firi#storylink=cpy

SUTTON'S POINT...

...was that it's hard to understand why he was singled out for doing what another board member (word has it it was Chris Malone) was doing too, namely standing up, cussing, and yelling at the top of his lungs, threating Dems that the bond issue would pass over his dead body because of Tata's firing!

When his girlfriend, Debby Do, decided to join the verbal fray, VP Keith, like the rest of the Dems, had had enough, and told her in no uncertian terms to shut the Francois up!

How do I know this? Malone has a big mouth in and around Wake Forest, and uses it around the wrong people! He needs to pay off his delinquent taxes so he can drive that brand new truck around! Yuck, yuck!

So both sides were yelling at each other. It's called an argument, don't cha know. But Debby Do decided to make it a criminal matter, and the police officers told her to take a walk because she was never threatened, only told what to do!

CASE CLOSED! NOW GET HER THE DEVIL OFF THE SCHOOL BOARD! 

...

I'm not sure you understand what a threat is. And it's not up to you to determine if someone else feels threatened.

Sounds like Sutton was outta control - and Hill has absolutely no control, as usual.

ACTUALLY...

...You, SideBUNS, are beyond wrong on that. It's NOT whether you feel threatened or not. If someone, during the course of a heated argument, tells you to shut the "French" up' and doesn't say another word, makes no difference how you feel, THAT is NOT a threat.

Now if they say that, followed by one word...OR...then you have a case, becuase that indeed transmits a threat that's easily perceived.

Don't believe me...call Cary PD and ask them why they dropped that nonsense immediately. Telling someone to STFU is not against the law.

Lord knows you and the few others of your ilk deserve such everytime you open your rhetorical traps!

...

I think it was the clenched fists, getting out of his seat and screaming that was threatening. After saying he was going to kick someone's ass the day before? Yeah, that would be threatening to me. Sutton's a big guy.

COP WAS RIGHT THERE...

...so if all that was alleged about Sutton's behavior was true, then why wasn't he arrested, or at least warned? Inquiring minds want to know.

You can stop speculating.

You can stop speculating. Sutton has admitted in a TV interview that he inappropriately threatened his colleagues. That it didn't rise to the level of a crime is immaterial, it was still so far out of line that in a normal workplace it would most certainly lead to being escorted away by secruity and probably termination.

No, Sutton hasn't. What

No, Sutton hasn't. What Sutton said in the TV interview was that threats were made in the heated closed-session discussion. He said the same thing to me on Wednesday. But he claims that the threats that were made were by the GOP candidates about the bond going down if Tata was fired. He says that while his words were heated he didn't threaten anyone. Now while he may not think his words were threatening, others can disagree.

Another argument I've seen here on the comments in the blog and the news story is that since Sutton was charged he didn't say anything inappropriate. Just because police didn't think his words were enough to press criminal charges doesn't mean that what he said was right either.

You can't spin this one.

You can't spin this one. Sutton was asked point blank if he issued a threat and he said "yes" and that it was "inappropriate." I saw it with my own eyes in a TV interview.

Sutton lost his composure in two consecutive meetings; in one meeting he said he was "going to kick your a$$es" and in another one he towered over the victim of his verbal assault with fists clenched and said "shut the f%#k up" ... that is a man completely out of control and that shows tremendous disrespect for his colleagues. If he was part of the current board minority or not, as Sutton described himself when he disgustingly and disingenuously played the tired old race card, an "African American," this would be taken much, much more seriously by the media. If you are a Democrat or a minority, the N&O puts on their kid gloves to cover the news.

There are just too many witnesses -- other board members, security personnel, police, and members of the public who were within earshot of his yelling -- to pretend that it never happened. And everyone knows that behavior like that would absolutely NOT be tolerated in any other workplace.

BTW, disagreeing about the viability of a bond -- as Sutton tries desperately to compare his offensiveness to -- is not a threat; suggesting bodily harm, as Sutton undeniably did, is the kind of bold-faced threat that needs to be taken seriously.

Woodstock, you're trying to

Woodstock, you're trying to read into it that Sutton admitted he threatened Goldman.

Here's the section of the WTVD story which you're using as your source. Sutton was being interviewed on camera by Jon Camp.

Sutton: "There were threats that were made."

Camp: "Threats, what are we talking about?"

Sutton: Well, I'm not going to get into that. It was in closed session."

Camp: "But is that even appropriate for a group of adults in a professional setting?"

Sutton: "I mean it's probably not."

Camp also says that Sutton said he doesn't deny that things got heated. Camp also said that  that Sutton, like board member Jim Martin, said that both sides were out of line.

Camp quotes the section from Martin's email in which he said that "Sutton was not the only member, nor the first member to issue an 'offensive and threatening outburst.'" But Camp didn't include the part where Martin put the words offensive and threatening in quotation marks in response to what Pricket had written in her email to characterize Sutton's remarks.

The statements that Sutton made to me and in the WRAL article are consistent with him denying he said anything threatening. At the same time, he says threats were made but he attributed it other board members in regard to the bond issue.

Now we've got two different issues here.

One is whether Sutton admits his remarks were threatening. He has not.

The second is whether Sutton's remarks could be considered threatening by others. That is definitely in dispute.

I never mentioned Goldman,

I never mentioned Goldman, so I don't know what you are talking about there. As for the rest it... there are lots of cowardly denials and baseless counter accusations, but nothing about the nature of Sutton's comments are in dispute. He said them, lots of people heard them and every reasonable person understands they are inappropriate and threatening.... and anyone else who would have said them in any other professional setting would suffer repercussions... but by all means let's all just focus on someone' private relationship.

"Could be considered

"Could be considered threatening to others"? Well it seems others have decided what he said was threating to others. Martin and Sutton do not get to decide if a comment directed at someone is threatening. If the comment is directed at them yes they decide and others get to decide if it is directed at them.

There's no dispute that

There's no dispute that Sutton's remark can be considered threatening. The issue is that Woodstock is insisting that Sutton admitted his remark is threatening, which he has not.

Keung

Just to clarify, Sutton did not deny saying that they were going to kick the Reps asses (or whatever the words were) and "shut the f up" to Goldman?

He hasn't denied making

He hasn't denied making them. He's denied he considers them threatening. He also denies that the remarks were made without provocation.

He proves with this conversation

that he is not fit to lead.  He should not be in charge of a major school system and certainly not 150,000 children's futures.  This school system is in shambles.

The very fact that this discussion occurred at all proves that point.

Ask him what he thinks about that.

Since when does the

Since when does the perpetrator get to decide what is threatening or not? Prisons are full of people who deny any wrong-doing.

Thanks. I just wanted to

Thanks. I just wanted to make sure.

Who cares if they were

Who cares if they were provoked? Does that somehow make them right? I'm beginning to wonder if you've ever been objective. Why are you si vigorously defending Sutton on this one? Exactly how many blogs are you going to post about Goldman? Your blog has become a sham....but I have to admit I still enjoy the debates.

If you're going to let you

If you're going to let you emotions cloud your judgment to think I'm not being objective, then you've ignored everything I've done on this blog for the past six years and in print for the last 13 years.

All I've been trying to do is point out that it is incorrect to say that Sutton has admitted he made threatening statements. Watch the video and actually listen to what he says.

No emotions here Keung,

No emotions here Keung, you're the one that appears to be losing it a bit...which is a sure sign you're not being objective. Don't worry, I didn't think you were really all that objective when I joined your site back in 2007 so you haven't really lost anything.

Context matters

Is there a report anywhere (I honestly haven't looked) about what Sutton said before or after his talk about kicking (rear ends)??

There are plenty of ways to say that particular phrase that a) wouldn't be appropriate in a school board meeting and b) would not suggest any physical threat.

For example, Pat McCrory could say in an interview tomorrow that he was going to kick Walter Dalton's *** on November 6th.  It wouldn't really be an appropriate comment, but no one would be expecting fisticuffs on November 6th, either.

If someone said they'd make sure the bond wouldn't pass, and Sutton said that if it came to a vote "we'd kick your (butts)", that's one thing.  If someone stood up and Sutton said "Sit down, or I'll kick your (butt)", that's an entirely different thing.

Well maybe the phrase "shut

Well maybe the phrase "shut the f$#k up" will ring more undeniably offensvie to you especially when it is delivered while standing over the person with clenched fists. Please take a crack at trying to spin a different context to that.

I didn't say any of Sutton's

I didn't say any of Sutton's comments were appropriate.

Well, isn't that what all of

Well, isn't that what all of this is about? No one is saying he needs to be behind bars, but certainly apologies and a resignation are in order. Sutton has proven that he doesn't have the emotional self control, professionalism, or maturity to deal with the stresses of serving on the board.

Did he or did he not say "We're going to kick your (ptooties)"

That's the gossip that I heard, and I think saying you're (or "we're")going to kick someone's ____(he didn't say ptootie in the story I heard) counts as a threat, even if it is empty. And usually, if a man says that to a woman, it is considered more dangerous because he could likely execute on threat if he so chose.

Sutton was asked if

this is/was an appropriate way for the board, a group of adults, to act and he shrugged it off with an awwww shucks response of probably not.

What a leader.

I agree. Sutton has not

I agree. Sutton has not disputed the reports. His behavior is not acceptable, period. And he would absolutely be fired in a regular job.

Goldman and Malone would have been fired

In a regular job Goldman and Malone would already have been fired so hard to play the fired in a regular job game here.  For all practical purposes RM most likely would have been fired too for knowing about the trist and not doing anything about it.  But then again there seems to be nothing "regular" about the BOE so nobody gets fired.

Huh? Why would Goldman or

Huh? Why would Goldman or Malone be fired? I know of no place where alledged affairs lead to termination.

 

 

I do

I certainly know of cases where people have been fired for alleged affairs, especially when their behavior is causing problems for others in the workplace. Margiotta said in the article that he spent many hours over the problem, and it certainly sounds like it contributed to the tensions on the board.

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