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Wake County school board debates guaranteeing transportation for all preassigned students

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Should the Wake County school system guarantee bus service to all students who choose to stay on their current feeder pattern?

It's an issue in the new student assignment that the school board has been wrestling with for the past several months. The discussion got personal at times last week with board member Jim Martin, the most outspoken proponent of providing the bus service, taking shots from board members Debra Goldman and Deborah Prickett.

For now, staff is continuing to review what bus service can be provided.

For the quick primer, every student on the new plan who is currently getting transportation is guaranteed to keep that bus service as long as they're at that school.

Students also have the option to grandfather into their current feeder pattern. But they don't get transportation if their feeder schools aren't on their choice list.

Initially, some 1,500 rising sixth-graders and ninth-graders received pre-assignments into a middle school or high school for the 2012-13 school year without bus service.

Some examples students in that group are:
* People who had opted out of a year-round school but whose traditional-calendar opt out is so far away that their feeder middle school or high school isn't on their choice list.
* People who've been assigned to a school for diversity reasons that's not near where they live. The inclusion of achievement-choice schools has reduced how many of these Southeast Raleigh families are impacted.
* Magnet students who had planned to return to their base school under the old plan but now are assigned to magnet secondary schools without bus service.

Wake has been encouraging those families to apply to schools on their choice list to get transportation for the upcoming school year.

Chief Transformation Officer Judy Peppler told school board members at last week's work session that they are now down to 549 preassigned students who don't have transportation with 84 of them on waiting lists. This handout lists 748 students but Peppler said it's an old number.

Peppler said that an initial analysis by the transportation department indicates that they could handle one-third of those 549 students on existing bus routes without needing additional resources. She said transportation thought that they'd need additional buses to transport the other two-thirds.

The result was that staff's recommendation was that they don't guarantee transportation for the 549 students. Instead, Peppler said staff would send those families another letter reminding them they don't have transportation.

For the two-thirds that would require additional resources, Peppler said they had three options:
* Tell them to wait until bus routes are established for the next school year to see if they can get service if they make request.
* Tell them they can still go to the preassigned school if they provide their own transportation.
* Tell families they can make a transfer request between May 15-June 1 with staff working them individually to find another school. Unlike the past where transfers meant no bus service, families can get transportation if they get into a school on their choice list.

The options didn't please some school board members.

School board chairman Kevin Hill said that he felt "uncomfortable" about not providing transportation to a school that a student has been assigned to attend.

“I feel that if we are assigning students to a school, we have to find a way to guarantee transportation," Hill said.

In response to a question from Hill, Bob Snidemiller, the senior director of transportation, said new routes would be established three weeks before the start of the school year.

Hill said that's not enough time. Hill said he's hearing from a number of families affected by this situation who are still trying to find a way to get their children to school. He cited an example of how it can take a family months to get preschool care and afterschool care arranged.

School board member John Tedesco asked how families wound up being assigned to a school without transportation.

Superintendent Tony Tata cited the example of a Salem Elementary School student from Southeast Raleigh who would get preassigned to Salem Middle without transportation because it's not on their choice list

Tedesco said those families are the ones who'd need the transportation the most.

School board member Susan Evans said they were in effect discouraging a family in that situation from staying in the feeder by not giving them transportation.

School board member Christine Kushner asked about the preassigned people who took part in the choice process but didn't get a school. Peppler pointed out that they had reduced the number from when they had started with 1,500 in November.

Peppler said the problem with guaranteeing transportation for all those students is that they don't know how much it will cost.

“If we promise every one of these transportation, then it’s very difficult to help them move to a different school or encourage them to because now we’ve promised them transportation when don’t know for sure what that’s going to cost for everyone," Peppler said.

Tata added they plan to do another transportation analysis based on the updated assignment plan data.

Martin said he planned to make a motion at the evening's action meeting to provide transportation for all preassigned students.

"It's the cost of doing business," Martin said.

Martin has been trying unsuccessfully since he was sworn in to get a board vote to guarantee transportation.

"I think it’s a cost we could have anticipated," Martin said. "I think it’s a cost that we need to bear."

Tedesco said he supports wanting to provide transportation. But he said the motion would be "premature" because staff is still planning to do another round of analysis.

Martin responded that they've been told it's premature since before round one.

“When is it not going to be premature?” Martin said.

Tedesco, pointing to how staff has reduced the number of students affected from 1,500, said if they waited another week staff might get it fixed.

"Let’s give them a chance," Tedesco said of staff.

"Parents need to know," Martin replied.

“We’re holding a lot of people in limbo," Evans added.

Summing it up, Hill said it appeared to be the board's desire to provide transportation to all students.

School board attorney Ann Majestic stepped in to raise a legal question. She asked if it was the board's intention to provide that transportation through high school for the rising sixth-graders.

Hill responded it's their belief that it would be for the grade span of the school the student would be entering this fall.

Martin added that "it's not clear" that the board can guarantee feeder patterns through high school anyway.

Regardless, Majestic said they need to clearly communicate to parents how long they plan to provide transportation.

Hill suggested taking a week for staff to go through things and avoid any potential unintended consequences. He said staff might get the number of students affected down to 25.

But Martin said he was concerned that the board has kept pushing and pushing the issue off. He said he was putting himself in the parent's position.

“Families are waiting for us to actually take some action, and I’d like us to do that," Martin said.

Hill told Martin that he should feel free to exercise that motion at the board table.

This is when Goldman went after Martin, pointing back to before the elections when he appeared at board meetings to argue against moving to the choice plan.

“I just have to comment on something because I’m finding it very interesting that you’re very concerned right now with the parents of these kids that are unassigned because they’re making a choice for something that was not on their presented choice list, and we’re trying to give everyone as many options as possible," Goldman said. "But you are the same person that came and spoke to us so negatively while we were trying to get these choices for our students. You came to each board meeting and would get up there and talk to us.

As a parent whose child who was bused quite far, not by my choice, I worked very hard to get a choice plan. I just have to point out the irony now that you’re sitting here saying that you’re very concerned that these parents can have transportation for their choice.

Of course we believe, I believe, it would be wonderful to give all these parents transportation and it would be great to give everyone their choices. That is the goal, to be parent friendly, student friendly and take care of our families so I’ll guess I’ll have to say welcome to looking at this from the parent’s side because it’s something you were not doing before. I guess I’m glad to hear you speaking from that side.”

Tedesco said he agreed wit the overall sentiment about providing transportation. But he said it may be better to leave staff with the flexibility to work with families, including helping them get students into the achievement-choice schools to get the transportation.

“We may not want to box ourselves in to say that we’re going to do everything we can to give them transportation," Tedesco said. "That may not be the right help or the appropriate help, particularly if it ends up being that we’re sending 25 buses out to pick up one kid here driving one hour that way, one hour driving a kid that way."

Evans said that many of the families who are in this situation who have contacted her have indicated they "were shut out" when they participated in the choice process. She cited the example of magnet students who "tried diligently" to get into another school when they were told they were preassigned to a magnet middle school without transportation.

“Many people are trying to choose their proximity schools and they’re not getting it and now they’re forcefully being sent to a school with no transportation and that’s what we have to talk about," Evans said.

Peppler responded that they're down to 84 of the preassigned students on waiting lists.

Board member Deborah Prickett chimed in to support Goldman's accusations and to bring up how Martin had charged that staff had made bell schedule changes to help Republican board members.

"Ms. Goldman has an excellent point about what she was saying about how on one side Mr. Martin, or Dr. Martin, has talked on one side on one way and then I also remembered Dr. Martin voting against the bell schedule, and to me that just impacted thousands of families throughout Wake County," Prickett said. "It just kind of seems to be just such a difference here.

You know it’s like on one hand I’m hearing compassion like you care and on the other hand you voted against all the families to have a bell schedule change. I just want that noted."

“I voted for the families who didn’t want a bell schedule changed," Martin interjected.

"Excuse me, I’m talking," Prickett replied. "Also for Mr. Tedesco, I think he has some very good points he just made about considering families but giving staff a chance to work.

With the bell schedule situation, staff was blamed and the superintendent was blamed for trying to show partial treatment to certain board members or to certain families about the bell schedule. I just think that we need to let our staff, who are very qualified, very capable, to work through this process and not just put a blanket motion out there until we can really understand the situation because this is impacting a lesser amount of students and these are unique situations.”

During the regular meeting, the only recommended change to the assignment plan that staff asked the board to vote on was delaying Abbotts Creek Elementary's opening.

After that vote, Martin attempted to introduce his motion to provide transportation to all the preassigned students. He asked if it could be incorporated into the Abbotts Creek agenda item.

Martin asked where he could go ahead with his motion to change the assignment plan.

Martin brought up how the initial agenda item for the April 24 meeting had included reference to a potential recommendation on transportation for those students. He brought up how he had tried to introduce his motion at that meeting but held off because staff said more data was needed.

Hill said there's no proper place on the agenda to place Martin's motion. Hill also said he hadn't seen a request in writing from Martin for his motion to be an action item that night. But Hill said he'd make a note that it will be on the next board meeting.

Martin responded by calling for a vote to amend the agenda to include his motion. Evans seconded the motion.

Tedesco responded that he had thought that based on the work session discussion the board had chosen not to advance the issue as they waited for the additional transportation analysis.

Prickett added that there wasn't a thumbs up vote up during the work session so she thought they were leaving it up to staff for now. Prickett said that adding Martin's motion to the agenda would make the board look like it's not organized "and all over the page."

Martin responded that he had said during the work session that he was going to bring his motion up during the regular meeting and that he wasn't told he couldn't do so.

"But Dr. Martin, you say a lot of things," Prickett said.

"That's right I do," Martin responded.

Prickett said there was no disrespect intended in her remark. She reiterated that she thought they were going to let staff work on the issue.

Goldman stepped in to say she wanted some clarity. Earlier in the action meeting, Goldman had proposed what's essentially a motion calling for the school district to provide more transparency. I'll get into it more later but there was some grumbling about it not being on the agenda although Goldman had provided a written copy of her item to Hill in advance of the meeting.

It was left up in the air what would happen next with Goldman's request.

School board vice chairman Keith Sutton said Goldman's request was out of order because it didn't deal with Martin's motion.

Goldman responded that if Hill intended to move forward on adding Martin's motion as an action item on the next meeting then she wanted her transparency item honored the same way. If not, she said she might want to amend Martin's motion.

Majestic said that Goldman couldn't ask a parliamentary question.

Goldman charged that the lack of action on her item was an attempt to obstruct some board members from getting items on the agenda.

When Hill called for ending discussion, Goldman responded that it would take a two-thirds vote to do so. That motion to close discussion fell short.

Hill said Goldman's item, like Martin's motion, would go to the board's executive committee, i.e. him and Sutton.

Goldman responded that it's just Hill and Sutton going behind closed doors to make decision for the board.

Martin's motion to amend the agenda failed on a voice vote.

UPDATE

Clarified that the Salem Elementary example Tata cited would be of a Southeast Raleigh student who has been assigned there.

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Turkeys

Reading that article makes me think the entire school board consists of a bunch of bird-brained turkeys.  Martin is a piece of work but the rest of them aren't much better.

What I'd like to see from the transportation plan is a busing system where 14 year old 8th graders aren't riding the same bus as 6 year old kindergarteners.  That's a recipe for disaster and I'm not sure who at WCPSS thinks that is a reasonable solution.

Maybe calling them turkeys is an insult to turkeys.   

 

You're being too kind to Martin

Way too kind.

Wait list families

We would have never had this problem if the board would have addressed this issue in October as these families could have been placed before choice even began.  I've been in contact with both the prior and the current board members seeking quick resolution to this issue and now 7 months later there's still a debate on whether to act or continue to wait and see.  I believe that all families on waiting lists should be placed at proximate schools as these parents listened to the instructions they were given and applied for a proximate seat.  In the long run it will be much CHEAPER to allow these children on a bus to a proximate school.

On a somewhat related topic,

On a somewhat related topic, does anyone know when we will be notified about what and when our transportation would be? We got into a school that was on our choice list for round two but it isn't a school that currently serves our neighborhood and so has no current bus schedule for the nieghborhood. We got a letter from the school about our track and orientation but nothing about transportation. Do we call the school to find out or the transportation office? Or is that something we won't be told until closer to the start of school?

the transportation dept is

the transportation dept is currently working on bus routes for the coming up school year; you should receive notificiation at open house/meet the teacher-right before school begins.

Thanks!

Thanks!

Check online late July/early August for traditional

As an express bus rider I am always concerned that my bus route or stop might change and the more advance of school starting the better for raising issues so I am always checking the online bus routes each day a month before school starts to see when they first get posted.  I just checked back through some emails and found last year 7/26 was the date my schools routes were updated for this past school year.

Bus service should be

Bus service should be guaranteed to all those who are following the rules as provided by the school system on remaining on their feeder pattern or any other rules are followed.   The school board set out those rules for helping pass the new plan by placating some and they can't go back and with a straight face say, "oops, you can stay there but you can't get there without your own transportation".  That is not a good faith policy when people had to take the school board at "good faith" that the new plan was good with all the problems it had.

And the whole school board (and school administration) needs to figure out they need to make decisions a lot sooner.  The choice process should finish at least one month earlier as the current timing means that with less than 2 months before school starts next year that schools are now moving people from track to track.    Parents need more than 2 short months to find school care and make other plans for the next school year.

You do realize

that track changes can happen anytime?  They can happen in the first two weeks of school if there are not enough kids in the class/track. 

Multiple changes happend within 2 weeks of school starting for MYR, especially for those of us who were traditional, finished in June and had to start school in July..forget any plans that we had!

Preach it brother local

That is correct. If your school is not filling, or hasn't filled, enough seats, you can and will be changed and that can happen all year long. After those who volunteer to change step forward the rest are forced onto tracks 2 and 3.

Bet we hear about it often and steady this coming year.

They are actually adding tracks in our area

We got notice we were being moved from track 2 to track 1 for our oldest entering middle school.  I called our other YR school on our choice list to see if they were adding a track 2 and they said they were.  I was planning to apply to that school in round 2 to keep all the kids on the same calendar, but then received another letter from the first school that they were adding track 2 back and we were moved back on track 2.  Neither one of these schools has track 2 this year.  I got the impression from the people I talked to when I called the schools that administration told them they had to offer all tracks next year. 

You're a lucky recipient then

If that's a good thing for you.

Express Bus - is it counted?

I am wondering if the 748 counts students who were pre-asssigned with only Express Bus transportation?  I am guessing  it doesn't but we need to think about those students too. Just because Express works at one level of school for a family doesn't mean it can't become a true hardship later on down the line.  I would be interested in the total number of students pre-assigned without neighborhood transportation whether it be no bus or only express bus that have tried unsuccessfully to get a seat in a proximity choice school.

I'm Confused

by this statement '

Superintendent Tony Tata cited the example of a Salem Elementary School student who would get preassigned to Salem Middle without transportation because it's not on their choice list'

So if this parent is at Salem ES than of course they would go to Salem MS (feeder), which I thought would be their in vincinty schools and they can't get transportation??  Are they comming from a Magnet?  Where is this parent coming from that there would not be transportation??

I didn't make it clear that

I didn't make it clear that Tata was talking about Southeast Raleigh students who are assigned to Salem Elementary under the old plan and would as their preassigned feeder go to Salem Middle. But, unless it happens to be one of their regional choice options, it wouldn't be on their proximity list so they would not get bus service.

Thanks You

Mr. Hui!

This may be the most dysfunctional board ever

"uncomfortable"    "not enough time"

"Parents need to know"     “limbo"

"It's the cost of doing business"

“Families are waiting for us to actually take some action"

"it's not clear"

"But you are the same person that came and spoke to us so negatively while we were trying to get these choices for our students"

"many of the families who are in this situation who have contacted her"

“I voted for the families who didn’t want a bell schedule changed,"

"Excuse me, I’m talking,"

"Martin charged that staff had made bell schedule changes to help Republican board members."

"it's not organized "     "all over the page."

"But Dr. Martin, you say a lot of things,"   "That's right I do," Martin responded.

"Sutton said Goldman's request was out of order"

"Hill and Sutton going behind closed doors"

"Martin's motion to amend the agenda failed"

 

I didn't want to be as long as this article/post, so those are just some of the highlights to prove my point.

As for Martin, you pay for the free rides or you bring a motion on how many teachers need to be canned to cover your firm belief in the free rides. As for Evans, prove that the "many families" you are hearing from are actually contacting you. You say that over and over, but many of us doubt it to be true. Wonder why that is?

Parents are used to being in limbo and not knowing, Martin and Evans. Nothing new here. Both of you being elected hasn't changed that and won't change that. Neither of you have accomplished a single thing in the 6 months you've been in office.

Except to divide this board and this county even further!

Read more here: http://blogs.newsobserver.com/wakeed/wake-county-school-board-debates-guaranteeing-transportation-for-all-preassigned-students#storylink=cpy

We should absolutely be

We should absolutely be offering transportation to the 84 families who are on waiting lists for proximity schools.  They have obviously tried to get to a school with transportation. If WCPSS cannot give them any school on their list with transportation, then they need to incur the cost of the bus to their assigned school. 

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