New data shows that Wake County's year-round schools have imbalanced tracks in terms of enrollment, but school administrators say they're working to ease the problem over time.
Handouts from today's Wake County school board facilities committee meeting show that track four is above capacity while tracks two and three are way below their capacity. For instance, track two is operating at 68 percent of capacity districtwide in elementary schools and 44.5 percent in the middle schools.
The capacity figures are based on ideal long-range capacity, which is designed to reduce the number of modulars and mobiles on each campus. The capacity percentages would likely be lower if you base it off annual campus capacity, which takes into account all the temporary classrooms in use.
For the elementary schools, it's 97.1 percent of capacity at track one, 69.4 percent at track three and 108.1 percent at track four.
For the middle schools, it's 98.7 percent at track one, 81.9 percent at track three and 110.4 percent at track four.
The imbalance reflects how some year-round schools have partially or completely collapsed some tracks while overloading more popular ones to meet demand.
It's posed problems for year-round middle schools who at times have forced families to change tracks after the school year has started because track four is too crowded.
During the committee meeting, staff also presented a handout developed last fall to begin balancing out the tracks. Judy Peppler, chief transformation officer, said the year-round elementary principals had sat down with the principal of their feeder year-round middle school to talk about how to better align the tracks.
Christina Lighthall, a senior facilities planner, said they've been phasing in the changes starting this school year with the kindergarten classes.
During the discussion, school board member Christine Kushner said she was surprised how North Forest Pines Elementary's most crowded track is track two, which is at 135.5 percent of capacity. She added that families with two working parents have told her that track two works better for them.
School board member Jim Martin said that the year-round schools didn't really come from the school system but "was pushed" by the county commissioners to cut costs. He questioned whether they're seeing the cost savings.
In theory, a properly balanced multi-track year-round school can hold up to 33 percent more students than a traditional-calendar school. Wake has used the figure of one multi-track year-round elementary school for every three traditional-calendar schools.
Martin also said he had a hard time seeing how Brier Creek Elementary could be at 213.2 percent of capacity on track four this year but only at 13.6 percent on track two.
Lighthall pointed to how, last year, Brier Creek had three classes on tracks one and four, two on track three and none on track two. When I say class I mean trying to get a whole K-5 grade configuration for that track.
The goal is to get the Brier Creek to two classes on tracks one and three and one class on track two. The goal is also to get track four down to two classes this school year and eventually to one class.
Historically, Peppler said principals would make the decision on collapsing a track based on demand. But Peppler indicated that's no longer the case.
Peppler said that principals make track decisions now based on this new coordinated plan. This meant the Brier Creek principal created a track two kindergarten class this year so that in time it will have a full K-5 configuration as the students age forward.
Peppler also cited how the principal of North Garner Middle School, facing eight classes of track four students from the feeder schools, moved a couple hundred students to other tracks.
Kushner said that the flux across the year-round schools shows that all four tracks have some appeal. She said that because multi-track saves money when properly utilized that they need to do a better job of having a conversation with parents about the year-round calendar and the benefits of each track.
“Given our capacity issues that are very vivid to us, we’re going to need four-track year-round schools in parts of the county," Kushner said.
Kushner added that many families like the year-round calendar.
“If you want it, it’s great," Martin responded. "If you’re forced into it, it’s not.”
Martin added that any family that has two or more children who aren't twins will face a calendar mismatch at some point.
School board member Susan Evans, who had requested the analysis, said she can understand that her fast-growing district has the majority of new schools on the year-round calendar. But she added that "the reality is we’re overly penalized with less options."
Evans said the problem is compounded by the lack of year-round middle schools that create a calendar mismatch. She said that more year-round middle schools would allow families to "tolerate" the situation longer.
Evans added that it doesn't make sense for Carpenter Elementary School to be at 221.4 percent of capacity on track four but only 25.2 percent on track two.
Evans said she was glad to get the data.
“I’m glad to hear we’re trying to level some of the tracks out because that’s been one of my concerns that if we have this thing but we are not fully utilizing it on every track, are we accomplishing the efficiency that we hoped to accomplish," Evans said. "If we’re not, then let’s go back to the drawing board. But we probably don’t have enough capacity not to have it."
"It informs our decisions and it informs the greater conversation," Kushner added about the data.
Martin said there seemed to be a point in time when there was the right balance of year-round schools to meet the needs of families without it being forced.
"Since the 2006 bond, in particular, is when more people got forced into year-rounds against their will, I guess for lack of a better word," Martin said. "That’s probably because we built too much in certain places which aggravated the situation."
Martin asked what target percentage might be good to aim for.
Peppler said they may be able to get at that figure as they go through the choice data. She said they're looking at how many families tried to leave a year-round school for a traditional-calendar school, and vice versa. She said they can look for the same thing in the transfer data.
UPDATE
Click here to view Wake's plan for balancing the tracks and the 2012-13 year-round school utlilization by track.
Updated to make it clearer that decisions about collapsing tracks are no longer solely the call of the principal. It's now supposed to be done in coordination with the new plan to balance out tracks over time.

Comments
VYR - Agree
Thu, 09/13/2012 - 14:55 — Apexcitizen1Agree with your assessment. I also think the county has to do a lot better of a job in funding school construction and quit being so reactive in the planning for new schools. In some ways I think the towns and the city should have much more responsibility in ensuring adequate capacity. Maybe it's time to split the WCPSS into different semi-autonomous regions and make them responsible for school planning capacity and construction. There's certainly economies of scale and savings gained by having county wide school system but the county is almost to divergent to have one single system now. Once issue if you split the system into regions up how you prevent having three or four really good regions and one or two really bad regions. I wouldn't want to see the county look like a Northeastern US model or a Memphis/Shelby county model. Not sure of the solution to the problem.
I think we already have that
Thu, 09/13/2012 - 15:51 — jenmanI think we already have that issue with 1 or 2 regions being worse than the others. I know at least 2 families that moved out of Eastern Wake because of the schools. I would say that the Garner area district has the same problem, just maybe not as bad as Eastern Wake.
Does anyone know how this
Thu, 09/13/2012 - 08:39 — tropicalgirlDoes anyone know how this will work? Is the plan a gradual one where new kindergartners are assigned to the track evenly so that in the long run, middle schools come up even? Or should all the people on heavier tracks expect track reassignments next year, particularly those moving up to middle school?
If you look at the handout
Thu, 09/13/2012 - 15:01 — DrActualFactualIf you look at the handout the first row shows the current track distribution across each school, the next row indicates what they are striving toward for 2012-13 (gradual over those years); the third row shows their ultimate goal K-6, and the fourth row indicates their planning model without YR middle TBD. I would expect these changes could start this January and finish by end of year 2013 according to the info on the chart.
I wonder too. Also
Thu, 09/13/2012 - 12:46 — CaryMomof4I wonder too. Also important to me, though, is how easy it will be to change tracks down the road. I love Track 2 and am happy to be there now, but when my oldest hits HS in 3 years, I will want to change to Track 4 or else move back to traditional. I think more people would be receptive to Track 2 if they knew they could switch when needed. I think many people try to get in to track 4 right off the bat becasue they know they will want it down the road as siblings age into HS but are afraid they won't be able to switch later.
How easy will it be to change?
Thu, 09/13/2012 - 14:08 — FSandYOUIMO, not easy at all by the time you will want to.
Maybe Kushner can help you though, since you're helping her by supporting a track that most do not.
As stated below, if you want out, someone needs to want in. You can't abandon track 2 and cause yet another track 2 to collapse or force a track change on someone else that doesn't want it. Granted you alone might not cause the need for your track to collapse, but it's time the wcpss get serious about filling all tracks or do away with ALL of them and go back to traditional calendar schools and a whole lot more trailers.
I guess the question is -
Thu, 09/13/2012 - 14:33 — CaryMomof4I guess the question is - Is Track 2 really that bad, or is it just bad for families with other kids on the traditional schedule? If families could get another track when they needed it to keep their kids together, would they be more willing to vuolunteer for it when it didn't put their kids on different schedules? If I have a kid age into HS and want to change tracks, isn't it just as likely someone else has a kid age out who no longer needs it who can take the spot?
I understand that concern
Thu, 09/13/2012 - 13:12 — tropicalgirlI understand that concern but when people switch out of track 2, who gets moved into it? Keeping siblings together should be a priority but what winds up happening is when people have to be moved, it's often the one-child families. For a number of reasons, track 2 doesn't work for us, but I am fully expecting us to be moved into it when we hit middle school because we only have one child and they'll have to move someone. And there's no easy answer to the problem. You simply can't split siblings but it's also not right that a child gets an unpopular track just because they don't have a sibling.
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Thu, 09/13/2012 - 13:32 — SideburnsThis is why VYR worked so well. If YR is not used for capacity reasons, it can be managed better through choice. Once you use it to increase capacity (or to increase your F&R quota), all bets are off.
In theory, the elementary
Thu, 09/13/2012 - 12:17 — KeungHui (author)In theory, the elementary year-round tracks will be adjusted over time. But that was under the choice plan. How that goes forward with the new base plan remains to be seen. Now the middle school changes could and are happening sooner, such as what happened this year at North Garner where the principal made track changes because track 4 was too overloaded.
Is that the school that changed those tracks
Thu, 09/13/2012 - 14:04 — FSandYOUwithout notifying the parents until the first week of school was over?
I thought it was East Wake
Thu, 09/13/2012 - 14:30 — DrActualFactualI thought it was East Wake MS that had the problem with the 200 (reassigned to different track) students.
I'm not sure, Mr. Hui
Thu, 09/13/2012 - 20:12 — FSandYOUwas this school the school that had the 200 reassigned to a different track, while you were on vacation, and did not inform the parents until the end of the first week of school?
Or is this school yet another where this type of disrespectful slap towards parents took place?
I've said North Garner
Thu, 09/13/2012 - 21:33 — KeungHui (author)I've said North Garner Middle School twice already. I didn't think I had to keep saying it a third time.
Maybe you have but you have not
Fri, 09/14/2012 - 07:49 — FSandYOUconfirmed an answer to my question. So, I'll ask it more clearly.
While you were on vacation the local media reported that 200+ families found out at the end of the first week of school that their tracks had been changed without any notice or input from the parents.
So are you saying NGMS is the 2nd school this has taken place at or was all the other media incorrect in their reporting?
I don't know if the North
Fri, 09/14/2012 - 08:40 — KeungHui (author)I don't know if the North Garner Middle School principal made the track changes after the school year started or before, but according to Peppler changes were made for this school year. The East Wake Middle case is separate.
Thanks for clearing that up
Fri, 09/14/2012 - 08:52 — FSandYOUDo you know if the Garner school principal asked the parents for input or did he/she change them with no input, like East Wake Middle?
I don't know how North
Fri, 09/14/2012 - 09:14 — KeungHui (author)I don't know how North Garner made the changes. But, based on how it's typically done, the principal likely asked for volunteers first. There usually aren't enough so the rest are moved involuntarily to balance it out.
Thanks again
Fri, 09/14/2012 - 09:19 — FSandYOUApparently the Principal at EWMS doesn't do things the "normal way" then. The media reported that parents were upset for many reasons and especially because they were never asked.
I suspect it's no accident,
Fri, 09/14/2012 - 16:54 — danofncI suspect it's no accident, but you aren't asking the right questions.
The principal at NGMS said that he/she had a huge influx of kids from ES that were on track 4, and he/she switched them prior to their arrival at NGMS. If you switch grade spans, you aren't guaranteed to keep your same track.
And apparently if you do exactly
Fri, 09/14/2012 - 21:33 — FSandYOUwhat you are told/expected to do you aren't guaranteed to keep your same track either.
Just ask the EWMS parents.
I think you can count on
Thu, 09/13/2012 - 10:22 — FSandYOUlots and lots of tracks changes next year.
That will be just one of many things for parents to be enraged over with the new NEW plan.
Brassfield
Wed, 09/12/2012 - 21:44 — jedaviI don't understand the desire to double track 2 at Brassfield as Brassfield now feeds West Millbrook MS which is traditional. When MYR hit Brassfield 6 years ago they tried to double tracks 1 & 2 and many of the parents forced to track 2 either changed tracks as soon as they could or left the school. By the 4th year track 2 was completely eliminated in what would have been 4th grade for our child. We left that very first year as our 1st grader was assigned to track 2, our 4th choice, becasue we had a 6th grader on a traditional calendar. It would make more sense to double track 4 at Brassfield as it is the closest match to its feeder school calendar.
I think it is because "long range" they probably want
Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:22 — KRCto change the feeder pattern. Look at page 11. When the future YR M-8 middle school opens, they have to create a feeder patter for it, They show Brassfield as one of the potential feeders. YR would feed to YR, so in that case, Brassfield no longer has to sync up with the traditional calendar at WMMS.
won't happen any time soon
Thu, 09/13/2012 - 10:01 — EBDarcyIn a conversation I had with Tata last year he told me that M-8 is off the table for the foreseeable future because they need HSs more than middle schools. Wake owns the land but there is no $$ to build a school.
Kushner seems to think track 2 is the bomb
Wed, 09/12/2012 - 21:59 — FSandYOUShe and Sam should get together and talk about the holes.
I'm sure together the 2 of them will solve world hunger and the track 2 woes.
Reading through everyone's track discussions below
Wed, 09/12/2012 - 13:47 — FSandYOUleaves me laughing and shaking my head. This conversation is past, it's old and it's basically irrelevant now.
We told the Head, Millberg, CLARK, Gill board this was not wanted and would not work and guess what, the proof has been here since day one, it does not work in most cases in this county.
You can have discussions with Kushner all you like, you can listen to Boy Wonder Martin, and side kick CPA or Not Evans, tell you something different all day long, but none of them have the guts to do what should have been done day one, fill the schools/tracks!
And even if they did now it's too late. When they go to forcing people around again the backlash will be ten fold what it's been in the past.
That backlash will be very evident next year, at bond time.
Just sayin'.
Kushner's assertion that
Wed, 09/12/2012 - 13:12 — tropicalgirlKushner's assertion that working parents told her they like track 2 could be true. You have to arrange for child care anyway so in that sense it's not much different from the other tracks. And while you don't get the spring break, you can vacation around Memorial Day and Labor Day.
That's where I run out of any pros. The cons of Tracks 2 (and 3) would have to be the broken up schedule and no substantial breaks between grade advancement. I would think that those would be issues that could affect educational achievement. And those are the biggest concerns I hear from parents who were forced on those tracks.
So why is the board not discussing that? These tracks aren't undesirable because there's no spring break (otherwise, why is Track 1 almost as popular as Track 4?), they're undesirable for educational reasons and that's what should be addressed - not how can we balance the tracks by forcing more parents on Tracks 2 and 3.
So...
Wed, 09/12/2012 - 13:25 — Bob_SconceNo doubt, some people prefer, or are at least happy with, track 2. But, you know most people don't like it because they just don't choose it. Kushner can talk about the great benefits all she wants, but the proof is in the pudding.
Confusion..
Wed, 09/12/2012 - 13:08 — RonnieRreigns here because WCPSS tried to complicate a simple plan. I supported the YR mandate to get a bond. Shoulda been 9 on, 3 off times 4. This not filling all the tracks and not even having all the tracks is not right. That was NOT the deal. Now I know why I see some YR schools closed at times, when there should be students there all the time, well except for Christmas, Memorial Day, July 4th and Veterans' Day. With the Dems back in control of WCPSS again, maybe the deal this time to get a bond should be get YR as it was supposed to be and go to two shifts!
you are confused
Thu, 09/13/2012 - 07:58 — EBDarcyYou are confusing modified year-round with 4-track yr. There is no point in the year other than the holiday breaks (Thanksgiving, Christmas, July 4th) when everyone is tracked out. Even if you only have three tracks.
Subsidizing balanced tracks?
Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:55 — garnergradWill WCPSS be subsidizing the balanced tracks? The reason the tracks got so out of balance was that WCPSS refused to kick in additional funding for smaller classes on underenrolled tracks. Principals are accountable for their budgets. Until now they have not been accountable for having balanced tracks. Anytime a class enrollment dropped below 15, the class was cancelled and the students moved to other classrooms/tracks because a principal could not make payroll paying teachers to teach fewer than 15 students. This results in wacky class sizes, which schools are no longer accountable for because the GA dropped class size requirements.
Balancing tracks has a price. If parents get what they want, unpopular tracks get kept even if classes are under-enrolled. Somebody has to budget for that inefficiency. Or the parents get forced onto tracks they don't want. Which is happening here?
When the initial conversions
Wed, 09/12/2012 - 12:48 — DrActualFactualWhen the initial conversions occurred via MYR parents were placed on tracks by the principals. In our case the principal of the ES school placed students first to allow for sibling placement at the MS level. Many schools double-tracked track 4 because they felt it would soften the blow of the forced conversion as it most closely followed the traditional schedule. But in Western Wake where so many schools were converted how can you keep everyone on track 4 when they move from ES to MS--you can't. Parents that thought they had a lock on the most desired track (it is the only track that aligns with spring break) will not be happy when they start getting moved onto other tracks to balance the attendance at the school. If the system chooses to keep YR schools they might be better off to abolish spring break and use the five days there to make up the days of extra instruction the GA wants. Currently, 3/4 of the school membership are not out of school during spring break; track 4 parents are going to be pretty upset to lose this perk along with being moved to a different track. Many diehard YR parents always planned to drop YR and go to Traditional when their kids aged up--and that leads to more turnover of students. Capacity constraints being what they are it is difficult for parents to transfer into a traditional school--although many thought they could come and go at will. Some principles put their best teachers on the worst tracks in an attempt to balance tracks using that technique. When I heard the Garner MS principal talk about how they got access to Algebra for all their students and then put in additional educational interventions to ensure their success I was thrilled that such progress could be made--but only on a traditional calendar. She said they never could have accomplished what she did trying to arrange it around a YR calendar. Why must we sacrifice the education of our students for capacity issues? Students may be better off academically if MS schools in particular ran on traditional calendar. I would have been willing to pay more taxes when the last bond came up if it provided for all traditional seats. We see even now that some new schools may be allowed to open on a non-yr basis. If WCPSS wants community support they are going to need to convert some of the schools back to traditional (not single track YR, but traditional). They need to remember the promises that were made during the last bond run and if you can't keep your word and hold up your end of the bargain using public money....how will you ever convince the public you are worthy and capable of using additional money wisely.
Based on the comments, I
Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:44 — KeungHui (author)Based on the comments, I updated the post to try to make it clearer that principals aren't supposed to any longer make decisions on collapsing tracks independently. They're supposed to follow the new countywide plan for balancing tracks. But it's being phased in over time. That's why the Brier Creek principal created a track two class for kindergarten instead of collapsing the track or forcing students in the older grades to switch to track two.
Track 2 attitrition
Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:06 — garnergradDo they really think this is going to hold up over time? Experience shows that people drop off track 2 because it doesn't align with traditional calendar. Have they analyzed the attrition rate of various tracks? There is always new blood willing to switch and fill gaps on track 4, but as people leave track 2, won't they be under-enrolled by 5th grade? Kindergarten classes are smaller, so by 3rd grade the larger class size means they will be down to a single class, and by 5th grade there might not be many students left. Theoretically this sounds like a great plan. In practice, can this work?
I think in some schools,
Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:24 — tropicalgirlI think in some schools, track 2 doesn't exist by 4th and 5th grade. That then leads to problems if several elementary schools with no track 2 in 5th grade feed into a middle school that has a track 2 - there will probably need to be shuffling to address the overloaded track 4 and 1 and underenrolled 2. Since those with siblings can't be moved, it may end up being one-child families that find themselves reassigned to track 2. Just speculation on my part.
lack of institutional control
Wed, 09/12/2012 - 06:44 — mnordbergSo what is the most pressing problem that drives so much of the rest of the conversationin wake schools? Capacity and growth. It drives a lot of the money discussions, bond discussions, transportation discussions, assignment discussions and is at the root of the problems wake county has had over the past few years and in the future.
So I don't understand how the central administration can have such a hands off approach in leaving how to administer year round schools up to the principals. Capacity has to be known for assignment planning and school construction planning but prnicipals are given the opportunity at year round schools to arbitrary reduce school capacity by running more classes of one track and getting rid of tracks that impact their school capacity but also other feeder school capacities as kids are linked to stay on the same track. Why is there not a more centrally managed team responsible for this with such important impacts ont he school system? Complete lack of wake county school institutional controls.
Also, so this capacity impacting changes being done at the schools, what does that mean for assignment. Are capacity numbers published for each school in year round assume an even distribution of classes per track fully utilizing the school or is it based on the reality the principals have created by having more classes of one track and cutting classes in other tracks or tracks all together. Seems to be yet another behind the scenes non-transparent activity going on in the assignment plan that could have a big impact on capacity and getting into a school.
Hmmmmm
Wed, 09/12/2012 - 06:12 — willynillyWe seem to be doing the tip toe around the Athens Drive incident. How interesting (some of the more veteran posters may remember this a while back) that the same principal I "named" last year is the very same principal in charge of the out of control stagecoach AKA Athens Drive HS. At least WRAL is interested in my documents since no one else was. I knew the lazy susan would eventually circle back my way.....it just takes time and one has to be patient. And Keung......I did NOT use his name.....this time!
Buckle up, shall we?
Tue, 09/11/2012 - 21:24 — FSandYOU1: "school administrators say they're working to ease the problem over time."
That's a problem all in itself. There should be, and always should have been, a standard procedure in place to handle this issue. It should NEVER be left up to one person to do what he/she wants.
2: "capacity figures are based on ideal long-range capacity, which is designed to reduce the number of modulars and mobiles on each campus."
Tell that to OCE and several others! Once again, wrong formula.
3: "It's posed problems for year-round middle schools who at times have forced families to change tracks after the school year has started because track four is too crowded."
Like at the recent school that got ZERO COVERAGE??? Where the kids missed their first entire week before the parents were notified about their tracks being forcibly changed without their input or concern??? This should NEVER take place AFTER the school year starts and again, this is why issues as major as this should NEVER be left up to a principal.
4: "The imbalance reflects how some year-round schools have partially or completely collapsed some tracks"
Those schools should be converted back to traditional YESTERDAY! How much more money do we need to waste? Filling year round schools, saving all the capacity and money
5: " Christine Kushner ... added that families with two working parents have told her that track two works better for them."
Maybe at one school, but most of the rest of the schools that were forced into this farce could care less for track screw, I mean two.
6: "Jim Martin said that the year-round schools didn't really come from the school system"
Once again good ole Jim proving he has no clue. The CC's did not force the issue Jim, oh those who don't agree with them will always believe that, thanks to the brainwashing that went on by the school board and it's leaders back then, but the rest of us didn't buy it then and we sure ain't buyin' it now.
7: "In theory, a properly balanced multi-track year-round school can hold up to 33 percent more students than a traditional-calendar school."
Well, theory is nice, if you're at a Magnet school and can get it, but reality says the WC school board that created this mess never had any intentions of filling those schools.
8: "Martin also said he had a hard time seeing how Brier Creek Elementary could be at 213.2 percent of capacity on track four this year but only at 13.6 percent on track two."
Again Jimmy, we know reality is hard for you to deal with for the common folk, but simple fact probably is, NO ONE WANTS TRACK TWO! Except Kushner's friends.
9: " But she, Evans, added that "the reality is we’re overly penalized with less options."
Blame your buddies Head, Clark, Millberg and Gill. If you can get them out of hiding that is. I hear Clark is her own person now, she might be easier to reach!
10: "Evans said that more year-round middle schools would allow families to "tolerate" the situation longer."
Cough, cough, LAUGH LauGH, thanks for that throat clearing belch Susan. What a joke, but oh so something Susan Evans would say isn't it. Just tolerate it a little longer, you'll be done soon. Pathetic!
also from Evans, "Evans added that it doesn't make sense for Carpenter Elementary School to be at 221.4 percent of capacity on track four but only 25.2 percent on track two."
Uhh, are you not paying attention Sue? NO ONE LIKES TRACK TWO!!! Except Kushner's buddies.
and finally, "It informs the greater conversation," Kushner added"
A conversation that has been going on for decades in Wake County because every previous school board has gotten it wrong and the voters haven't been far behind. A conversation that most of us are just simply tired of having. You'll see next year at vote time.
Regarding tracks
Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:58 — SatchHHWell, since track 2 is least aligned with traditional schedule, it makes sense that folks with students moving to middle wouldn't want it. Converting some YR to middle school would create less of a calendar problem for many parents and would make other tracks besides 4 (closest to traditonal) more desirable.
I hope you're planning to vote for the next bond. It is true that the CC (led by republicans) helped drive the YR requirements. Cost savings of the day by CC! I hope you're letting the CC know that Wake needs more schools to keep up with demand and that they shouldn't deprive our schools of needed buildings or go to YR just because we can. Let's focus on what's best for the students.
Gotta love seeing JT bragging about cost savings in transportation in Wake County on his campaign around the state!
Unless you start converting
Wed, 09/12/2012 - 22:20 — shearertwUnless you start converting HS's, which you can't, converting MSs doesnt help one darn thing!
Yes, I plan on voting for the next bond
Wed, 09/12/2012 - 13:40 — FSandYOUAnd it will be a BIG FLAT NO!
to point 3....a question
Wed, 09/12/2012 - 06:41 — tsgcoupHow does the 10 day head count happen at year round schools? 10 day head count makes the staffing numbers. If 200 students did not show up in the first 10 days, would that affect the number of teachers the school was allowed to keep/hire?
Wish they would talk with
Wed, 09/12/2012 - 02:30 — DrActualFactualWish they would talk with some yr FOLKS that got MYRd and got the true picture of what happened then. It was passed quickly, forced down people's throats and implemented so quickly that it was a major disaster. They said pass the bond and we'll work with you on the MYR issues afterward and disappeared. Meanwhile, the first 3 years of students have passed thru the MYR MS and they still don't want a MS campus; the next group of parents fee the same; teachers may or may not want to switch but the school was much better as a tranditional calendar school. Team teachers covered for each other and when they had to be gone it was a seamless transition in academics back up by other team members. Now, not so much. When initially implemented the MYR'd ES schools got to pick their tracks and if they had siblings into an identified MYR feeder school they got to keep the same track, if not you had no guarantees to get the track you wanted. The traditional opt-out schools were unnamed, distant schools with no guarantee for stability. Then they double tracked many of the YR ES on tracks 1 and 4--we all knew the doubling tracking from multiple schools would feed too many students into the MS but they just forced you to switch tracks at either school or both. Sometimes they will say well we have better teachers on track 2 so take that one; but two and three are broken tracks with 6 weeks in and 3 weeks out and the reverse of that. Tracks 1and 4 each offer continuous 9 week instruction before breaks kick in. If the system now tries to ALIGN the tracks you will have a bunch of screaming parents that want to be able to take the spring break on track 4 that will no longer be able to do so and travel with their HS kids while bring MS kids with. Now I imagine when more people discover they will be losing the spring break travel break they will be ticked off and not vote for a bond. The current school board needs to convert Salem MS back to traditional and farm out the students what want YR to Lufkin and East Cary MS. At least converting a school back to traditional schedule will show a good faith effort that you are trying to keep some of the promises you made from the past bond. If you don't do that it is doubtful you would get a bond passed. Converting Salem MS gives a combined bonus of allowing them the opportunity to try the East Garner MS algebra intervetion of adding many more students that need Algebra1 at 8th grade but aren't getting it. (Salem had one of the worst records across the district in providng access to 8th grade Algebra.) The Algebra I interventions done at East Garner can be made at a Traditional school but not a YR one. Convert Salem MS and improve its access to 8th grade algebra and you will kill two birds with one stone. It also shows that the district will consider converting schools that we unfairly converted in the first place, converted in an area glutted with the kinds of school, and can open a new school on a yr voluntary calendar while reverting the others off MYR calendar assignment. A YR MS presents many problems in aligning the calendar to match the siblings HS calendar and as the kids age up this is always a major issue, Many students try to leave MS during their second or third year when their older sibling needs to move up tto HS and they then want to trade to the same calendar. We want calendar continuity but in the area of Traditional schools from MS to HS. We want the calendar match to coincide with the MS to the HS not the ES to the MS. At MS to HS levels you start to have clubs and such that keep you after school. You need to be around for extra curricular activities. Salem MS has asked for reconversion and if you want the next bond to pass it would seem like a good starting point to keep the promises you made during the last bond cycle. If you choose not to keep them, the bond will not pass. People are not willing to "tolerate" difficult family situations for extended periods of time--it is just too stressful.
Can you tell me more about
Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:36 — tropicalgirlCan you tell me more about how Salem MS has asked for the conversion back?
Mr. Hui has covered it here
Wed, 09/12/2012 - 11:26 — DrActualFactualMr. Hui has covered it here in the past on the blogs I believe. During the time that Ron M. was looking at what schools to convert back (Highcroft got dropped to track 4 only) it was reported that Salem MS wanted to switch back (if I recall correctly 56% of the parents supported it.) Not sure where staff stood on the issue. I did think it was interesting. At the time of the initial conversion many parents were against it but as we all know the BOE used $22 million dollars from the rainy day fund against the CC's advice and funded it anyway--all the blame doesn't go to the CCs with a move like that--the BOE definately wanted the conversions. As long as it didn't hit their districts too hard so the suburban districts got most of the YRs. By now most of the students from the MYR/converted schools have aged up into HS and I find it interesting that the younger students that have been YR thru ES/MS(years after the debacle of the botched implementation)--those parents don't like YR any better than those that had been forced into it in the latter grade spans. It would seem that Dr. Martin is correct that there is no clamoring for YR seats but when it operated on a voluntary basis the schools were a little bit more successful.
The board wound up opening
Wed, 09/12/2012 - 11:29 — KeungHui (author)The board wound up opening Mills Park Middl, which was planned to be a year-round, on a traditional calendar instead of converting Salem Middle back.
Thank you both for the
Wed, 09/12/2012 - 12:51 — tropicalgirlThank you both for the explanation - it did spark a memory for me. So they forced an existing school to go year-round and then a few years later opened a new school as traditional to appease people? Makes perfect sense. I know some parents at Salem MS that would be happy to have it converted back but given that Susan Evans said something about adding MORE year-round middle schools, it seems even less likely that that could ever happen.
I agree, it seems likely
Wed, 09/12/2012 - 14:39 — DrActualFactualI agree, it seems likely that it will never be converted back. They only appeased people in the Cary Park and northern areas; not all nodes/people that wanted traditional got out of Salem MS.
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Tue, 09/11/2012 - 20:55 — SideburnsEvans said the problem is compounded by the lack of year-round middle schools that create a calendar mismatch. She said that more year-round middle schools would allow families to "tolerate" the situation longer.
There you have it. For the past few months, Evans has lulled D8 parents into believing that she understood their concerns about YR. She even proposed an amendment to the Capital Planning document to show her feigned concern. Now, the truth comes out. Her answer is more YR, not less.