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Wake County magnet school application totals appear to have declined from last year

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The initial indications are that there was a big drop in the number of Wake County magnet school applicants this year.

School officials announced today that 1,755 out of 4,296 magnet school applicants, or 40.9 percent, were placed into a magnet school for the 2012-13 school year. School officials say 2,766 students have been placed on a wait list to get into their first-choice magnet school. (Some people were placed in a second-choice or lower magnet school.)

School officials say it's difficult to compare this year's totals with last year's number because 1,808 preassigned rising magnet sixth- and ninth-graders didn't have to apply.

But even if you add in the preassigned students, it's a less than last year when 8,476 applications were received.

Did the practice of listing the number of open seats at each magnet school, which reflected the preassigned students, have an impact? Also, were some families scared off by the new magnet school feeder patterns?

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OT: Specialized High Schools

New York City has the country's largest school district and has been experimenting with new ways of doing public education. Their latest experiment is "The Academy for Software Engineering," which seeks to teach programming to students.  It's intended to be a rigorous high school with an emphasis on programming, not a vocational school.   http://www.businessinsider.com/the-academy-for-software-engineering-2012-1

Under Adam Smith's principle "the division of labour is limited by the extent of the market," most school districts would not have sufficient demand for such a school.  Does Wake County?  It seems that we'd have more of an interest than most of the country's largest districts.  If so, would it be best as a WCPSS school or a charter? 

I think that Wake would have

I think that Wake would have enough interest for such a school. It should probably be housed at Garner, Knightdale, or Southeast Raleigh. It should be a county wide application program. Knightdale would probably be ideal because the program would increase demand for academic excellence. It should not exclude kids who didn't have algebra in middle school. It isn't fair, and heck, I took algebra in 9th grade and got accepted into three engineering programs in spite of not having had calculus in high school. Furthermore, everyone at the host school should be required to take and pass at least one semester of coding, just to make sure that everyone gets a chance to try it out.

I'd love to see that program

I'd love to see that program theme go to Panther Creek HS.  The magnet schools have enough to offer--do they need more, tough to argue that one.  Since PCHS is supposed to bring a 9th grade center online within a year or so and will likely keep the same overall number of students they currently have at the main campus that will put them right around 3200 students.  I think scattering the programs around the county could  help to spread out student populations as well--a different approach to concentrating programs in the center of the county.  The completion of 540 will make that campus readily accessible while allowing you to reach a great number of students.  PCHS is also quite proximate to RTP and perhaps some future interactions could be developed with companies located there.  It might also work well at Apex HS with the AOIT program they already have in place.  The northern area of Wake has the early tech academies, Wake needs to move something into Western Wake schools for future populations to be served equally. 

Not Surprising

I can't understand the angst over the magnet applications dropping to a level where 60% of applicants still don't get in. Given the new transparency in the process many people decided it was not worth their time, which should not be surprising to anyone.

The real test will be if a larger than normal number current magnet students opt out in the next round. There are lots of families who went to magnets primarily for stability. Now that it is available in their neighborhoods I think many of those are likely to choose their local school; which will really tick off the board, unfortunately.

Selectivity

You raise an interesting point about the elimination of the need to select a magnet for stability. I also agree that we need not be worried about schools that still turn away lots of applicants. But for those who believe in the magnet program's stated purposes or some close variation of same (to diversify certain schools by one or more of achievement/wealth/race), it will be important to look at the school-by-school numbers to see how the selectivity of each changed. Some might be fine and others might not. That is not so different from the picture before, but it is important to know who the winners and losers are under this particular assignment plan.

Who do you perceive as the

Who do you perceive as the winners and losers of this plan?

Winners and Losers

In the post above, I was thinking winners in terms of schools that now get more (or relatively more, since the total volume is way down) magnet applicants than they used to, and losers as schools that now get fewer (or relatively fewer). As for winners and losers in the assignment plan as a whole, that is a complex topic that I've tried to address in a number of past posts on wakereassignment.info.

Winners & Losers in AG Magnet

For the 2012-2013 school year I think Ligon wins and Carnage loses.  Carnage AG spots for non-Fuller students were virtually eliminated for rising 6th graders due primarily to the Walnut Creek feeder pattern.  I have a hard time seeing how Carnage will support an AG Basics program.  Many Western Wake parents of AG students did not apply due to the limited number of seats available and the lack of transportation (Carnage provides transportation for WW, while Ligon does not).   My son as well as others in the area applied to Ligon instead.  I think the dynamic of Carnage will change completely if they don't reevaluate the feeder pattern.

my personal interpretation as a base Title I parent

There are still thousands of parents who are seeking educational enrichment for their children who are denied this enrichment. And thousands more who did not even waste their time because of the still biased lottery.

Why do we think that it is better to keep our other schools so starved for resources that thousands of parents want to opt out? What are Martin and Kushner thinking? That starving dozens and dozens of schools for the sake of making a few schools more desirable is a good thing? It is such a warped and self-centered perspective. "My kids won the lottery, the rest of you should be forced into schools that have limited resources because we won, you lose."

Keeping us from High Poverty mess

Granted, Wake has many schools with high levels of poverty, but the magnets and the old assignment plan has kept the number much lower than it would have been otherwise. The magnets help to improve struggling schools - the new Brentwood and Smith magnets are examples.  Even more money would be needed if WCPSS had to fund/fix the problems of high poverty schools. Tata has stated very clearly that the WCPSS magnets are a good value. He gets it. Think about the larger picture w/o magnets. MORE schools would be in bad shape. Many of the current magnets would be 80-90% plus high poverty. That's a hard environment for students and staff. Let's not go there.  If you really want to help our schools, work to get more funding. Put more pressure on our county commissioneres and Wake County taxpayers. They're the ones starving the schools. Don't blame the magnets. Wake County has been getting more for its money than any other county in the state for far too long. It's time for us to start paying for what we want. Check out what Chapel Hill folks pay in local taxes. Check out Durham. We in Wake pay much less.  Let's step up folks!!!

More money for WCPSS???

We are in the biggest economic downturn since the Great Depression.  I think it's unrealistic to ask for or expect more money (higher taxes) for WCPSS when families are struggling to put food on the table.   I say we look at ways of being more efficient.  What about cutting bus transportation costs.  Maybe not every student should be bussed door to door?  Most  buses that go through my neighborhood are woefully under capacity.  Maybe bus transporation should be outsourced to a private company - they may be able to do it cheaper.  If we cut transportation cost, maybe we wouldn't have to lay off teachers next year.  They are the ones who really have an inpact on education.

I think we should really look at breaking up this massive beast called WCPSS.  It's just too large to be run efficiently.  Every other year we have massive changes in policy due to new elections, creating chaos.  Valuable resources (time and money) are spent fighting about feeder plans, assignment, magnet perks, etc when we should focus on Education.

Well now...

(1) I'd be happy to break the district up into smaller systems.  But, it's not a fight worth picking since any break-up would have to be approved by the General Assembly, and their trend has been to consolidate school systems, not break them apart.  

(2) As to under-capacity buses, have you considered that every school bus has to be under capacity for most of its route?  The ideal bus route is only fully at capacity at its last stop, at which point it exits the neighborhoods and goes straight to school.  For half of its route, it's only 1/2 full.  That could easily be the part you're seeing.  What you should do, instead, is go to the schools and count students getting off.  (But, don't do it at magnet schools, because some of the students may stay on the bus, waiting to get off at a different school).

(3) There is probably some waste in WCPSS -- it's in any organization, private or public. But, at some point, the cost of rooting out the waste exceeds the amount of the waste itself.  I suspect WCPSS is at, or very close, to that point.  Heck, the Broad Academy audit found that Central Office was perhaps too lean.

(4) There are other places that the county could cut to find money for the schools-- that 2% pay increase it doled out last year could have instead gone to the school district, for example.  An increase in school funding, even if it came from a tax increase, would have long-term economic benefits, albeit at the expense of those families you refer to who seem to be perpetually "struggling to put food on the table."  If they can't afford to live here, perhaps they should move.

Time for Wake families to move on

Ok, Wake families.  We've heard it from Bob.  If you are struggling financially and don't want to pay more taxes specifically targeted to "help" WCPSS, move out!  

What about those who aren't struggling financially, but are still very wary of the new school board, confused about the new "choice" program, not happy that your rim school has higher f&R percentage than most Magnets schools with half the class electives?  I'm thinking they should "move out" too.   Think about all the money that Wake County can "save" if all these families simply moved on........... Look at Zillow!  Home prices in Chapel Hill and Nothern Chatham county are really down and you can ACTUALLY BUY A HOUSE and KNOW WHERE YOUR KID WILL GO TO SCHOOL!   Yes, yes, I know Chapel Hill has higher taxes, but at least you know what you are getting - stability and good schools. 

My point is, there are plenty of people who are very frustrated with WCPSS. Won't take much to push them out.........

 

 

Heh...

Economic progress depends on an educated population.  The students in WCPSS today are going to operating on your heart when you get into your 70s, designing the bridges your family drives over, writing laws that you have to live under, and programming the computers in the cars your kids drive.  If we shortchange their educations, we shortchange ourselves.  So, if some grouch out there doesn't want to pay for those benefits, fine, there are plenty of countries where they don't have to pay for education.  Maybe they can move to Zimbabwe  or the Dominican Republic.  I'm sure they'd love the quality of life.

So, it's not money to help WCPSS -- I don't really care about WCPSS as an institution.  If we can educate kids as well or better some other way, I'm all ears. And there have been some positive steps -- popping the cap on charter schools, for example.  However, that other way doesn't exist for most students in the county -- WCPSS is what we have right now for them. 

not happy that your rim school has higher f&R percentage than most Magnets schools with half the class electives?  I'm thinking they should "move out" too.   

That's one possible response.  Another would be to support some reform of the magnet program and increased funding to the schools to increase electives at your rim school.

Bob, would you consider running for the GOP nomination?

You sound like my grandfather, a lifelong Republican. But his kind were drummed out of the GOP leadership long ago. I miss them!

On a serious note, thanks for always taking a mildly contrary view to every post. I haven't seen you pile on with a "yeah, me too" post yet.

Hmm. Could you have been a liberal arts major in college? Those are some good critical thinking skills at work.

Well, thanks...

If only you had asked about 6 months ago -- I think Mitt, Newt and the rest have too large of a head-start for me to catch up now.

My undergrad degree is in Math & Computer Science.

Seriously, though, I'm not all that interesting.  Jenn and Sheila, by far, eclipse me here.

By the numbers

#1 - consolidation reduces duplication = saves money.  

#2 - Thank you Bob. But to suggest Stansbury stalk buses is creepy. Stansbury - please check in at the school first. Also to be noted is WCPSS has a 100% efficiency grade when it comes to busing dollars from the state.  Also to be noted is the choice plan increases the number of buses in the beginning, but provides better facility utilization, which saves those taxpayers Stansbury is worried about money via a lower construction bond. 

#3 - Thanks again, Bob.  Folks forget WCPSS has been audited, and audited, and audited....

#4 - one more ata boy for Bob.  Its the county that doles.  Bob - I don't know your position on this - should the school board be given taxing authority?  I realize the environment on Salisbury Street won't let that happen, but in a perfect world, would you advocate for such? Stansbury, we know your answer.  What you don't understand is we get what we pay for, and it is the least of us that suffers first. Ask Snordone.

Ok...

#1.  This is a never-ending debate.  Consolidation can reduce duplication, but it also adds levels of administration and puts decision-makers further away from the front-lines.  I have a relative who was on the school board of my home school district, which was significantly smaller than WCPSS is.  She knew all of the administrators and principals personally, all of the curriculum leaders and a good many of the teachers.  As a result, she had an exceptionally good idea of what was going on in the schools.  Here, Kevin Hill is probably the only person who can even name 1/2 of the district's principals (thanks to his long experience in the district), but I'd be very surprised if he could get much about that number, let alone have any real idea of what's going on in the schools.  It's all academic, though, as a break-up will never happen.

#4.  Taxing authority?  Absolutely -- the "mother may I" relationship between the schools and the commissioners is thoroughly dysfunctional, since the people making decisions about taxes aren't the people who get credit (or blame) from the results of those decisions.  That creates a perverse incentive at the commissioners to underfund the schools, and at the schools to blame poor performance on lack of funding.  Neither board 'owns' the problem.  If it were to happen (which it never will), the board should have to go through a complete election cycle before they have that power since the current crop was not elected with the idea that they'd have taxing authority.  I'd also give the board the power to float bond issues without the commissioners' involvement.

(To those who disagree with this view, what if we flipped the current situation -- give the taxing authority to the school board who gets first cut and then tells the commissioners what their budget is?  What would you expect the effects of this to be?  Chances are, school funding would increase, and other county services would get the shaft, right?  Why don't you think that's happening now in reverse?)

Disagreeing with the view

You make solid points as always, BUT, no way are the majority of voters going to allow the wake county school board to take money directly from them via taxing auth. The voters can't decide what they want in representatives from one cycle to the next, but I bet a clear majority would scream HECK NO to that request.

Most have enough trouble trusting the system with their kids, I sure don't see them taking it further and handing them their wallets, purses and man bags.

why not?

School boards elsewhere have taxing authority.  Many of us probably moved from districts where that was the case.  It makes perfect sense to give them that authority.

I had a college professor who always said never take a job where you don't have authority commensurate with your responsibility.  If we want to hold the school board ultimately responsible for outcomes, we have to hold them responsible for how they allocate dollars.  Can we really do that if they can't determine that amount?  This practice of the BOE going hat in hand to the BOC every year asking for money from a group with different responsibilities and goals is just crazy.

Curious about taxing authority

Does anyone know whether in places where BOE has taxing authority they typically have the authority to essentially a) only request voter approval for the tax rates or b) directly approve tax rates (or is it a relative mix between a and b situation)?

So...

IIRC, California, Nevada and Colorado require voter approval for tax increases.  Under Prop. 13 in California, if the money is going to go to a "specific purpose," it requires a 2/3ds vote.  Most other places put tax hikes in the hands of elected officials, and then put those officials in the hands of the voters.

California's 2/3ds rule is far too strict and has significantly led to the underfunding of their schools, to the point that school systems are shortening their school years.  

Thanks, Bob - so it is state by state

I found an article that mentioned 36 require voter approval but that included those only requiring bond approvals. I wish they'd mentioned how many non-bond ones there are, but sounded like a number of states, particularly in the rust belt had or were considering requiring voter approval for non-bond related. To your point requiring supermajority approval with that would be problematic. Article said voters approved 54% of requests overall. I don’t recall one ever not passing where I grew up, although a neighboring district had a construction bond request fail recently. (People are moving out of the state in droves and unemployment is well into double digits is not the time to decide you want to build a new building to replace an older one.)

Listen to Bob

he'll make a believer of you.

Too many years of abuse, threats and wrong decisions from liberal school board(s) left a lack of trust as the taste in voter's mouths.

It's not likely to happen in Wake County in your lifetime, just as busting the district into smaller D's isn't going to happen.

I can hear the campaign ads now, "just vote for it and we'll work with you."

Rightttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt.

WEll..

Momentum.  In the places that have taxing authority, they pretty much had it from the get-go.  Trying to do it here would kick off a huge political fight for gains that aren't really quantifiable. Politicians would rather work in the sphere of things that they can work for, rather than tilt at that sort of windmill.

yes

I agree that it's not likely to happen at this point in the game.  It would be very hard to institute it without politics mucking up either the design or implementation.  I was arguing that there are some good reasons why they should have taxing authroity, but I doubt it will happen any time soon.

OK

So if the fact that my son's principal teaches AIG 2 days/week and we have no foreign language and 130+ LEP kids/1.5 ESL teachers and just got art, PE and music full time this year sounds reasonable to you, lets just keep going. Lets destabilize the rim schools a little bit more so that instead of just 60% of applicants not getting into a magnet we can have 90% not getting in. Endeavor can finish raising the money for their HS and we can have a few more charters pop up. St Francis can build another building. The rim schools can continue to be under enrolled. But this disparity works well because the ITB magnets - not Title I magnets like Brentwood and Smith (you clearly have not looked at the budgets and don't understand the difference between the two types of schools) - but the NON-Title I magnets stay in demand. I can see how this has clearly been working well, as you said. We have really, really avoided a mess, haven't we?

Defining the true issue

Yes, Snordone, we have avoided some of the mess, but not all of it. And, its catching up with us, as you have pointed out.

So that you all understand -  Baileywick (Snordone's main reference school) got hit from multiple sides - a school underenrolled in recent years, reducing its' months of employment, coupled with the challenges of attracting a declining number of students due to aging out of base neighborhoods, and, because of magnets,  proximity of good charters and private schools,  it suffered a little "bright flight", not to mention a system wide reduction (or should I say increase) in the LEP/teacher ratio due to funding.  It used to be 60-65 students = 2 teachers. Now its double that, with twice as much paperwork per child, thanks to the Feds. This is not just Baileywick's problem, it simply hits them harder (and other schools just like Baileywick due to multiplicity of issues.  I believe Tata gave Baileywick more money this year, which is what the full time art, music, etc Snordone is referencing purchased. Lucky Baileywick had you to advocate for it for such, when there are other schools in need as well.  I wonder if they are blasting your school's good fortune, as you in turn are blasting the magnets?  

This will not be "fixed" with tearing down magnets.  It will only be fixed when we as a county demand proper funding for our schools, funding to meet our expectations of offerings especially at the small, traditional campuses that suffer because of the months of employment ratios, leaving the principal with less flexibility in staffing.  (What a jewel Hartenstine is to jump in and teach AG). We need a baseline of offerings at every campus, and the corresponding funding, which by virtue of fewer students will indeed cost more at some smaller schools than the larger ones.  How many of you have spoken at a Board of Commissioners meeting lately?  Called your Republican State legislator?  Snordone, get back to us with their responses.

Snordone isn't advocating

Snordone isn't advocating 'tearing down the magnets'.  Neither am I, for the record.  We have real inequity issues within our magnet program and it needs to be addressed.  The non-Title 1 magnets need to be addressed.   

Other schools besides Baileywick received the small schools status and the extra funding that goes along with it.  This was not snordone advocating for her school and her school only. 

nice

"What a jewel Hartenstine is to jump in and teach AG" Yes, she is a jewel. She has the highest level of academic growth for a title I school in the county. And she tries to make sure all children have what they need, which is why she is teaching.

 

BE's problems were due to 2 things, and they were not by accident - mismanagement by Chuck, he underestimated the number of children in an apartment complex off of suburban drive, and lack of advocacy at the board table under Kevin. I have volunteered in every capacity at BE over the last 8 years - in the classroom, great leaps, growth committee, BAC, science expo, book fair, career day... I got to know Stan Norwalk while I was working as the BAC chair and spent many hours advocating for financially supporting our Title I schools. I have spent hours and hours talking to Kevin and several others about revising policy to support our Title I schools. Speaking publicly at these meetings is a waste of time; it is for those who want to bring attention to themselves and nothing else. No one has ever advocated for "tearing down" the magnets, we have advocated for equity across schools and really taking care of our ED kids in our Title I schools.

 

Personally, I have made a choice for my children next year that will not be a Title I school. I did what policy 6200 said to do - I am in a high-income node that was sent to a Title I school. I showed up, I volunteered, I advocated, I fought hard for that school. I did not leave. Ask yourself - why not a base school for your family? Why did you not put your children in a base school? In base Title I? Why did Jim and Christine choose a magnet? Was the base just not sufficient to meet their needs? 

 

I am done. My children will not be in a Title I school after this year, and I will use every bit of my affluence and influence to make sure that they are in a STEM with foreign language. I see the dynamics of the BOE, I know that the inequity will continue. And I am done with it.

Read more here: http://blogs.newsobserver.com/wakeed/wake-county-magnet-school-application-totals-appear-to-have-declined-from-last-year#new#storylink=cpy

I guess there are some who

I guess there are some who would think along the lines of "we won, you lose". Then again, there are some who are not wedded to the concept of diversity and would quit the long bus rides if something similar was offered in the suburbs. However, how many ES can afford foreign languages like Smith? So, regardless of what Dr. Martin and Ms. Kushner think, funding realities dictate that not all schools could be desirable to the same extent.

Secondly, I am not convinced this starvation is endemic or sufficiently disconcerting. If you look at the demographics of WCPSS vs. demographics of magnets, it appears possible that the majority of people do not value much what a magnet offers. Envy perhaps, but not a valuation that compels them to act.

Not envy, but questioning if

Not envy, but questioning if that is the best use of tax dollars for riches at one school and depriving others. You say the extra offerings do not compel people to request a magnet makes it ok to deprive the base school of similar offerings? Maybe they have no choice, and the logistics truly prevent then from even applying. Why is it a problem that there are fewer applications? There are still waiting lists, they will still be considered desirable schools for those worried about house prices.

The magnet assessment is long overdue,

My point is that the extra

My point is that the extra offerings are not a big selling point for the majority. I doubt that so many people could be having logistical issues. The attitude is along the lines of  "it's fine if the extra offerings are next door and, if not, forget about it". What some want is offerings to be funded next door. It is not an unfair expectation but it likely entails a greater expenditure.

I disagree

When Endeavor opened its doors a few years ago we had Magellan and Endeavor within a mile of Baileywick and West Millbrook MS. I was the chair of the BE growth committee and called the charters to see how many seats they had available and how many applications they had gotten. They had 400 seats available and 2400 applications. Between BE and WMMS there are around 2000 students. So, if there had been 2400 seats available how would our public schools look? Like ghost towns. EVERY year we loose members of our PTA and critical volunteers to these charters and magnets. Devoted, dedicated, hard working parents - because they want their children to have opportunities that the district will not give to the base. We are moving enrollment in the right direction - increasing for the first time in 6 years - thanks to Tata and the fact that he gave us a little extra this year. But we are still 100 kids under where we were 6 years ago.

You have to look at the non-Title I magnets - there are very few, they are very low F&R, but they get the enrichment. We are not "saving the urban core from decay," we are damaging dozens of schools for the sake of a handful of elite magnets. I do not like the bias on the BOE, if there were only one base parent I would at least feel like someone would speak on our behalf. But no one is concerned about anything but the magnets. I have not heard one conversation about the base - not one.

Endeavor

So why did so many apply to Endeavor and Magellan ?  It must be because of the diverse environment they have to offer.   I am very familiar with the dynamics as I live right in the middle of it.  Yes I remember a group of Leadmine parents all up in arms because an apartment complex just went in and with those kids assigned to Leadmine it would push the F&R to 50%. Well these parents were successful in getting the apartment kids reassigned. Then these parents promptly left for Endeavor and I am sure it wasn't because of the music or art program.  

With regards to the enrollment - a number of years ago we were reassigned out of Baileywick and sent to Leadmine due to crowding.  The subdivisions surrounding both schools are aging out - so under enrollment is no surprise.  On the funding issue - is it fair that Baileywick gets additional funding when Leadmine is still with part timers ?  How then is Baileywick then any different than the magnets ?  You are doing exactly as the Republicans want - fight amongst ourselves for the table scraps and ignore the large overall lack of funding.  Taking away all of the magnet funding would not allow each school the level of funding/resources you are suggesting. 

small school status

was given to BE because while our capacity is 525 we were predicted to be at 380 - it was a dire enough prediction to warrant giving us a little extra - and I was not part of that discussion at all. The problem may be aging out, but Chuck said that 50% of the children assigned to BE from my cluster of nodes off of Norwood Rd don't show up. At some point you have to look at the big picture and not pick and choose your explanations for our problems.

I did not fight for scraps, I have advocated changing the funding formulas that cause this inequity - at BE, Lead Mine, York, Stough, Jeffreys Grove.... We spent countless hours breaking down the budget so that we could clearly see where the money was going.  Kevin agrees, we need to change the funding formulas. This is not a democrat/republican problem, it is not a funding problem, it is a management problem.

Mr. Tedesco said he will

Mr. Tedesco said he will "trust my staff". Trust the same staff that could have reported to the BOE back in Dec itself that magnet applications have dropped significantly? Wake up to the fact that as BOE members you need to better monitor implementation of the radical changes you approved to the system. You need to do this in near real time, not by waking up to reality after the fact when administrators choose to present data.

Have the administrators presented a plan to monitor implementation? What metrics and patterns are they monitoring? What is the schedule? Has this been shared with the BOE?

Easy enough for her to

Easy enough for her to complain since the magnet students are not her constituents. Many of us live in Apex or Morrisville. Most of the base families I know were upset about being assigned out of Reedy Creek. I couldn't believe that we weren't placed on a feeder pattern to an IB magnet.

I'm almost tempted to try to apply to our local school so they can at least go to school with their neighbors. If I'd had any idea seven years ago, when I entered my then-rising kindergartner into the magnet lottery, that this crazy new assignment plan was coming, I would have applied for a different school. Back then they didn't even have magnet pathways! This is BS.

Farmington Woods?

Does anyone know if (in the future) the students at Farmington Woods who want to continue in the IB program will be pre-assigned to EGMS? It doesn't make sense for them to be automatically assigned to WCMS along with the proximity students (and others who do not wish to continue in IB). There is no program continuity. Did the SAC forget us this year?

I enrolled my kids expecting them to be IB all the way.

Originally, staff did assign

Originally, staff did assign Farmington woods to East Garner. Goldman complained because it was not proximate, so it was changed to West Cary. Farmington Woods and Wendell ES are the tier 3 magnet schools which do not feed to a magnet middle. Smith and Zebulon feed to the appropriate magnet middle school. 

Perhaps this will encourage the district to add a IB middle school program on the western side of the county.

That's Garbage

East Garner was removed as a Feeder for FW magnet parents because they complained about being locked into a feeder pattern to a middle school and high school they didn't want to attend.  How in the world can someone say that you can't send FW kids to East Garner in a magnet feeder because it's not proximate enough when FW draws from a small area around Cary and then turn around and assign kids from a countywide magnet like Joyner that draws kids from as far away as Fuquay to East Millbrook.  What kind of sense does that make?

Notice that Farmington Woods is the only magnet school that doesn't have a magnet feeder pattern.  It's either really bad planning by the crackerjack student assignment team, or it's all about the politics. 

Not just Farmington Woods. 

Not just Farmington Woods.  Wendell Elem (Creative Arts & Sciences) feeds to Wendell Middle and East Wake High, both of which are non-magnets.  This applies to both proximity and magnet students.  Douglas Elem, on the other hand, is a Group 2 Creative Arts & Sciences magnet.  Their proximity students feed to Carroll and Sanderson but their magnet students feed to East Millbrook Middle and Millbrook High.  Zebulon Elem is GT, which feeds to Zebulon Middle, another GT school.  But then both proximity and magnet students feed to Rolesville High.  Magnet students at the other GT schools automaticallly feed to a GT middle and then to Enloe.

What's even more interesting to me is that Group 3 magnet students get the same priority as Group 2 proximity students when it comes to following the magnet path.  Group 3 magnet student should feed into the next magnet school like every other magnet student.  At the very least, Group 3 magnet students should receive a higher priority than Group 2 proximity students.  

I don't know what is going on with Farmington Woods, but I think they have done this with Group 3 magnets so that kids have a harder time getting out of Eastern Wake schools.  It will disturb the 'balance' if too many high performers leave for other magnets.  It's the same reason why they left 60 seats unfilled at Zebulon Middle a few years ago.  Lori Millberg commented that they didn't want those kids to have an automatic 'in' at Enloe.  Kushner mentioned this balancing at the work session as a justification for taking kids from 'high performing' nodes first.

The latter

I remember this discussion, and it seemed pretty clear that it's all about Deborah Goldman and her friends in Cary--"Live in Cary; go to school in Cary."

Joyner Feeder Pattern

They ended up splitting the feeder patter for Joyner so that base students feed to their proximate schools and magnet students feed to the magnet MS and HS to continue the magnet program they applied for if that's want they want to do.

Split

doesn't help magnet kids at Joyner from Fuquay, Morrisville, and Brier Creek area who are locked into a school 15-30 miles from their home. Brooks and Douglas parents are in the same boat.

Totally Understand

I'm one of them...I don't have to worry about it this year but I know many 5th grade parents that don't want to continue to the magnet feeder and are worried they won't get into their proximity school.  I'm trying to think positively and hope they are able to get placed successfully through the choice process.  I don't see how the county could force a family to bear the expense of driving from Fuquay to East Millbrook MS while most students in the county get neighborhood service.

What would make sense for

What would make sense for Joyner is to have kids feed into either E Millbrook or E Garner (I think it's East) for the IB middle school.  It would make more sense for kids in Fuquay to go to Garner rather than E Millbrook.  Samething with Wiley.  Kids at Wiley should feed to either Martin or Ligon for GT based on where they live, like they have in the past.

it doesn't make sense for a family

from Leesville to go to either of these schools.  It's a ridiculous plan.  I don't know a single family that chooses Joyner for IB, they go there for Spanish. I'd like to see how many Joyner families were choosing East Millbrook and East Garner before the new plan.  

Most of the Joyner magnet

Most of the Joyner magnet families I know went on to Ligon.  I agree that most families aren't there for the IB.  The Spanish is the real draw.

Last year's Joyner class

had 3-4 magnet students go to Ligon and 3-4 base students.   I think we had about 5 go to East Millbrook, 5 to Centennial, 5  to Martin and many of our magnet students lived in the Daniels base area and ended up there. It was interesting at the graduation seeing where everyone was going to middle school.  There were probably at least 12-15 different schools represented.

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T. Keung Hui covers Wake schools.
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