You might have been wondering whose meeting you were attending on Tuesday as school issues came up at the meetings of the Wake County school board and county commissioners.
As noted in today's article, commissioners voiced their concerns about the school system proposal's to add unarmed private security officers to every elementary school. As noted in today's article by Josh Shaffer, school board members reacted to the school issues that the commissioners were voting on as part of their 2013 State Legislative Agenda.
All this suggests a rocky road ahead as they work together on the bond issue and school funding.
Things got started at the beginning of the commissioners meeting where Republican Vice Chairman Phil Matthews tried to amend the meeting agenda to discuss the school security guard proposal. Matthews said it urgently needed addressing.
"I'm all about having security officers, but they need to be armed," Matthews said. "I can't see where an unarmed security officer is going to be able to protect any child."
Asked for an opinion, County Manager David Cooke said the school board was within its authority to spend the $835,000 for security in the current budget year.
Democratic Commissioner Betty Lou Ward suggested the matter would be better handled in a conversation among school board members and the commission. While agreeing, Republican member Paul Coble said the proposal showed skewed priorities on the part of the school board. People entering the county courthouse have to pass armed guards, he noted.
"What's more important than our children?" Coble asked. "If we need guards, they ought to be armed. Ultimately, there's going to be further discussion on their budget about how they are going to spend this money going forward."
Republican Commissioner Tony Gurley linked the security issue with the district having its own fund balance. He said this is a good example of what happens when a body such as the school board has $30 million sitting in an account.
Gurley said using the fund balance to pay for the unarmed guards is "the same attitude" that the school board had when it dipped into it to pay Tony Tata's separation agreement as superintendent.
"It's another example of the misuse of fund balance and I don't believe they should have a fund balance at all," Gurley said.
Without a vote, the board agreed that board chairman Joe Bryan would call school board chairman Keith Sutton to discuss the proposal. Since the school board tabled the issue, it's uncertain whether this discussion is still needed.
Commissioners then got on with the adoption of the 2013 State Legislative Agenda. The Republican majority passed asking for state legislative changes to allow for at large-school board elections, for commissioners to own schools and to be able to give money to help charter schools build their facilities.
Several times, Ward called for more dialogue with the school board, saying Tuesday’s votes would upset the school board and further sour relations with them.
Gurley noted that the commission has sought some of these changes for years, in some cases a decade, and has seen the school board give no ground.
“I don’t think they’re going to support this,” Gurley said.
GOP commissioners want to have four of the nine school board seats be elected at large. This would mean voters would decide on a majority of seats as they'd get the vote for the person from their district and the four at-large members.
Republican commissioners said they want the change because voters in Wake County feel underrepresented. A school board member might not give priority to a parent whose child goes to school in his district, but whose parents live and vote in another.
“People want to vote for more than one school board member,” Bryan said.
Commissioner James West, a Democrat, called such a shift “politically volatile” and said that no one he has spoken to supports it.
Democrats made similar objections to charter-school funding.
Gurley said the county doesn’t seek a mandate to fund construction of charter schools, but only the option to do so. There would be standards for which charter school got construction money, and the sum could not exceed half the average square-foot cost for Wake County schools.
Democratic Commissioner Caroline Sullivan said charter schools get built in places where the need for schools isn’t greatest, and sometimes lack standard features that traditional schools have, such as a cafeteria.
“A lot of these charter schools fail,” Sullivan said. “If they fail, we may own them.”
The longest conversation among the list of legislative goals came in the discussion over the commission’s desire to own school sites, to hold the authority to build them and to take control over their maintenance.
Gurley cited the example of how a few years ago the school board wanted to buy a school site in Apex for $8 million instead of the $4 million that was later approved.
“We have proven to be better fiscal stewards,” Gurley said.
Making that move will allow the school system to focus on academic excellence, Bryan said. But throughout the meeting, members acknowledged the feathers their moves are sure to ruffle.
“It does create some angst,” Bryan said. “But it’s a conversation our community should be willing to have.”
At least among the Democratic school board members, the reaction was not positive.
During interviews with reporters, Sutton said commissioners should be seeking compromise on school construction and ownership. He charged that the commissioners were trying to "bulldoze" the change through by going to the General Assembly.
Sutton said commissioners were going beyond their purview by asking for changes in how school board members are elected.
As for funding charter school construction, Sutton said that should only be done if the school district is given the same flexibility as charter schools in following state regulations.
Democratic school board member Susan Evans voiced her objections during the board comment section of the meeting.
Evans first touched on who should own schools.
"I’m concerned that altering responsibilities in this way will confuse the voters and the taxpayers," Evans said. "I feel that when the voters elect Board of Education members, they’re expecting us to make decisions on where and what type of facilities best meet the educational needs of our students. I think changing the ownership of facilities over to the county will confuse the public on who is accountable for what."
Evans then brought up taking money away from building and renovating the district's schools to build charter schools.
“Since most charter schools are run by private entities and many of them are for profit, I’m not sure that taxpayers will think this is a fair way to spend these funds that are so desperately needed to meet the ever-growing capacity needs of our public school system," Evans said.
Evans also objected to the idea of at-large school board elections.
"I worry that this may make running for school board too expensive for the average citizen who is willing to become a public servant," Evans said. "Having to run a countywide campaign and appeal to massive numbers of voters in an area that basically equates to two Congressional districts added together requires a large monetary and time investment.
The community may then have to worry about whether those with the most money begin to control our school board. I don’t think that’s in the best interests of our students. Is it even appropriate for the county commissioners to advocate for how school board members are elected?
I certainly hope that something as important as these issues would be put before the public to consider before laws are changed to accommodate these requests by the county commissioners.”

Comments
Oh good grief..
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 12:09 — Bob_SconceYes, the security guard idea was stupid. But, guess what Phil -- the Commissioners sometimes make stupid decisions too. Does that mean that the School Board should be over there talking about how it should, instead, have control?
Gurley, Coble and Matthews apparently have a view that, somehow, the School Board is (or at least should be) an inferior board to the County Commissioners. That view is incorrect -- the School Board has its purview, and the County has a separate purview. The Commissioners need to leave school matters up to the board which, by law, has control over those matters.
Frankly, I would have been happier if Gurley had succeeded in his run for Lt. Gov. -- at least he then would be in a position where he could do very little harm.
I fully believe this boe is inferior
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:06 — FSandYOUto the CC's board.
I realize you're not a Gurley fan, but I'll take him, them, any day over Martin and Evans.
So...
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:27 — Bob_SconceThe problem is that we don't get to choose which one is in control based on the political party in control of each. Heck, in the WSCA debate for the 2010 Commissioners' race, all the D candidates talked about how they needed to restrict what the then-R school board was doing.
The CC's
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 07:21 — bpuli9999have yet again proved themselves to be as ignorant and partisan as anyone possibly can be - just because it a democratic majority in the BOE? None of these morons (as a replacement for a much better word) had these ideas last year or the year before. They want to fund charter schools with tax money? What would that make them? Small government / cut taxes republican philosophy at work, I suppose?
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Wed, 01/23/2013 - 08:47 — SideburnsWhere've you been? There has been talk about at-large elections and ownership of school property for years.
Finally it's all about to come to fruition
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 10:08 — FSandYOUNo more partisan board domination from liberal/out of touch elitists and their special interest flag wavers, no more telling parents they don't get a say, or mandating stupidity that costs tax payers millions upon millions,
Now we ALL will get a say in who is elected!
And that guarantees that The Martin & Evans Show won't be renewed.
THANK YOU ART POPE!!!
This is the equivalent of NC
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 12:34 — EdcationThis is the equivalent of NC voters getting to vote for Virginia's senators because they make federal law that impacts NC.
Not even close to being a
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 15:13 — shearertwNot even close to being a correct analogy. In NC, we have our own legislature and our own Governor who actually has more influence over our daily lives than the Feds (at least for now....will have to wait to see after 4 more years of Obama). That was at least the intent of the founders. With regard to the WCPSS BOE, if your district's rep is in the minority, you get ZERO influence over the direction of the entire school system. To make matters worse, you may live in one district and have your child attend a school in a different district! The people of WC have extremely little influence over the direction of the school system because it is far too large and far too political. The only way to really correct the issue is to create smaller, more localize school systems. Going to 4 at large seats (out of 9) would be a big improvement over the current situation but breaking the system up into 4-5 schools systems would be a much better way to increase the people's influence over the schools their children attend. It may, in fact, be the ONLY way to save the system from being overtaken by charter schools in the long run.
playing devil's advocate here
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 16:45 — snordoneI agree with your statement " The people of WC have extremely little influence over the direction of the school system because it is far too large and far too political."
Bottom line, the Republicans majorly screwed up the BOE gerrymandering. MAJORLY. They allowed Kevin's request and cleaved off 6000 conservative families from D3 and put them D7 where R's were already a majority. So, to be skeptical here I do think this is an attempt to regain the BOE. This is not what we need. We need representation from the 4 types of schools we have in WCPSS. And we won't get that with more political posturing.
We need a system that
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 16:53 — shearertwWe need a system that responds to parents, not Dems or Repubs. You and I have very different views on a lot of issues (I'm guessing) but we seem to often find common ground here....That's because we're parents and we've decided to be intellectually honest about what's going on as just walking the party line is not what's best for ALL kids in WC. When you have a system as large as WCPSS, political parties see that as "power" and latch on to it and will not let go. Throw in race and poverty issues and you'd better look out! The decision's that happen on the BOE are generally about political power, not eduction, and there's really no going back from here.
WEll...
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 16:27 — Bob_SconceI don't think there's a realistic chance that the district will be broken up. It'd probably be a good idea (I don't think it's a coincidence that the best districts in the country are small, often with just a single high school), but it's not worth burning political capital on.
The more I think about it, the more I think Neil's right -- you do want to have election by districts, because that's the best way of ensuring that the needs of individual schools are heard. If you don't have that, then every board member's attention is focused on whatever the biggest district-wide problem is, and local issues just aren't heard.
Now, I'm unfortunate enough to live in Kevin Hill's district, and (as snodore) points out, Hill has NEVER though of himself as his district's representative -- a better description of his role on the board is as a representative of the old guard in the school administration. (Which is why he turned on Tata after Haydon got the boot.)
The biggest reason I see for at-large district is that they don't fall out-of-proportion to each other. In 2007, I looked at the numbers, and it appeared that Ron Margiotta's distrct had about 1.5 times the number of people as Beverly Clark's. That's unequal representation, and it benefitted the ITB crowd.
Over time, I think that the Republicans will regain control of the board. Susan Evans cannot retain her seat in her next election, and I don't see how Kevin Hill can either. By that time, though, there may be 40 charter schools in the county, and many more people just won't care what the school district does.
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Wed, 01/23/2013 - 17:16 — SideburnsLet's not forget what Hill said:
"My main and overarching concern is the institutional culture of the WCPSS. I have 30+ years being part of that culture and I cannot let it erode further."
And he was speaking about the firing of Tata.
http://my-3-minutes.blogspot.com/2012/12/happy-holidays-you-dont-matter.html
You are, unfortunately,
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 16:34 — shearertwYou are, unfortunately, likely correct with regard to breaking up the district but that's not a reason to not keep bringing it up as often as possible just in case bc it would most certainly be the best thing that could happen to education in WC.
The problem with the BOE is that it has become a place for people to exercise their political will as apposed to actually running an effective school system. As such, the BOE has become now and forever hyper partisan. With every changing of the guard, there will be a dismantling of what the previous party's BOE did and more chaos for WC. There are no checks and balances on the BOE to prevent this from happening as all you need is a 5-4 voting margin to lock out the opposing views. The minority party might as well stay home and not attend the meetings as they do not appear to have any influence over the outcomes whatsoever. That's not equal representation.
However you want to label it
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 14:05 — FSandYOUTHANK YOU CC's and ART POPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!