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Waiting on the Wake County school legislation to be introduced

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Anticipation is growing on when legislation will be introduced in the General Assembly to turn over school ownership to county commissioners and to change the way the Wake County school board is elected.

Both pending bills hung over Thursday's joint meeting of the Wake County school board and county commissioners. Joe Bryan, chairman of the commissioners, said the school ownership fight has now become a statewide issue with several other counties also interested in using the legislation.

“This decision will be decided hopefully within the next month or two at the legislature," Bryan said. "They will make the decision whether this model is better than what exists today.”

Bryan said that once the bill is introduced they'll have more details on how the change in school ownership originally requested by Wake commissioners would work.

During the joint meeting, County Manager David Cooke said they're recommending Oct. 8 for the school bond referendum because more election precincts will be open that day than on Nov. 5. The more precincts that are open, the less the county has to provide in additional funding to open and staff sites that day.

Cooke noted that on Oct. 8 municipal elections for Raleigh and Cary and the school board are scheduled for that day. School board member John Tedesco quipped "maybe."

Tedesco is alluding how it's possible that changes requested by commissioners in school board elections could result in this year's contests being postponed. In that scenario, where at least some of the board seats would be made at-large, the elections could be moved to even-numbered years.

During the meeting, school board member Tom Benton complained they don't know how the new school board election bill would work.

(As a reminder, I'm off this week and won't be responding to questions until next week. I've got a few posts to cover this week.)

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This ALL -- 100% of it -- on

This ALL -- 100% of it -- is on the shoulders of those who choose to follow fanatical "leadership" and oust Tata... and I LOVE it!!!

Kevin Hill should have known better, Evans was too stupid to know what she was doing, and rest are just puppets of Yevonne Brannon. As they say, you reap what you sow and, baby oh baby, it is a bumper crop!!

Super

Much as I like Tata and the GOP, elections have consequences and the Dems won. They are entitled
to have a man of their persuasion in the Super's chair.
Tata should have offered to resign. It is an
exempt position, AFAIK. When the GOP gets control
of the BoE again, I would expect that the Super would
offer his resignation, just as Burns did when the Dems
lost control.

for the reason you just said

and several others I am in favor of the CC having control of the public schools. I am in favor of one elected body being accountable - financially and academically. I am in favor of hiring a chancellor who will be made to be accountable. I am in favor of a billion dollars of state and federal taxes being managed as a business. It needs to be a stable business with an understanding that the shareholders are the children first and the community second. Their responsibility is to every child that walks into every school, regardless of who their parents are, how much money they have, and how much "support" they have at home. I am 100% in favor of dissolving the BOE TODAY - RIGHT NOW - THIS MINUTE. They are as useless as the BOE was in NYC, Washington DC, Newark, etc... Those boards dug a massive, expensive hole for those cities to clean up and ours has done the same.

too bad...

A North Carolina law that allowed the state to depose school board members was repealed in 2007

http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/District_Dossier/2013/02/georgia_governor_suspends_scho.html?cmp=ENL-EU-NEWS2

And here is why this school system is now floundering

"When the GOP gets control of the BoE again, I would expect that the Super would offer his resignation"

What does the back and forth political games accomplish for the children?

Putting their futures in further jeopardy!

Consistency? Screw that. Our children aren't worth it.

Correction - Burns didn't

Correction - Burns didn't offer his resignation. He retired abruptly without giving prior notice - ie, he quit. Then he held a press conference on the taxpayer dime on why he couldn't/wouldn't do his job. Since he was no longer capable of leading his organization, he was shown the door. Mr. Tata was very willing to work with the new board (Dems), and was executing to their direction. The Dems were following their marching orders and fired him, without cause.

Oops! That's gonna leave a

Oops! That's gonna leave a mark.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/25/north-carolina-charity-trying-to-cripple-state-republicans-now-faces-funding/

that article shows stupid abounds right now

On another note, do you think that any of this would have happened if they had just left Tony and the choice plan in place?

I think that the demise of this system will be in the hands of the democrats, they did not learn anything from 2009. "Tweaking" the plan was not firing Tony and going back to the diversity policy and forced busing. Tweaking would have been including new criteria in the assignment algorithm or weighting certain criteria differently - slowly, over time.

I think this system as we know it is toast, I don't see it recovering from these new charters and vouchers. If we had Tony in place they never would have done any of this because they would not have wanted to undermine him.

I know what you are going to say - this is not a bad thing. But I think that it is a bad thing for our most vulnerable children. They will be the ones stuck in schools that don't meet their needs.

My disgust with Jim, Susan, Christine and Kevin is epic right now. This is in their hands.

Hey...don't put words in my

Hey...don't put words in my mouth! ;-)

First, let me be clear....Republicans, better yet, Conservatives are FOR public education. Thomas Jefferson, father of small government, was one of the earliest and strongest advocates of public education. Conservatives don't have a problem with public education, just the track record of public education over the past 30 years or so. Public education in the US has been hijacked by left wing ideologues who have effectively driven it in the ground. They have put themselves above the needs of the individual students. They give themselves awards and pat themselves on the back while our most vulnerable children are failing....miserably. Something HAS to change.

There are two ways make change happen...either within the system or outside of it. With the 2009 election and hiring of Tata, WCPSS was beginning to change education from within. The change of the BOE majority back into the hands of the Democrats has completely reversed that process. The result is the direction of WCPSS we now see which will take at least a decade to recover from...even if these bums are thrown out in the next election. As such, I see no way to achieve meaningful change to WCPSS and the education my children will experience via a change from within. Therefore, the only vehicle with which to change publicly funded education in WCPSS is on the outside of the current system. I think it would have been easier and more beneficial to work from within the current system but that is no longer possible in a reasonable time frame. I personally do not think we should sit back a watch another decade of failure go by. Those kids matter and so do mine. It's time to initiate Plan B.

All correct...

except that the education system is not producing the fanatical bible-toting voters that the current version of the republican party needs. And that is why they have a problem with the universities (as evidenced by you calling them left-wing) - education is not a friend of the republican party. If you take religion out of the equation - the republican party doesn't have anything to talk about.

So...

You can't seriously argue that american higher ed doesn't lean left. Heck, just look to Chapel Hill for an example.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/homo-consumericus/201202/is-there-liberal-bias-among-american-professors

For me, the move from "the

For me, the move from "the problems that Republicans have with public education" to "university professors are mostly liberal" represents quite a shift of the goalposts.

well they are

with the exception of maybe some business schools. Nobody else is clueless enough to do this much work for so little money....

Oh...

I didn't think most of that comment was worth responding to. "fanatical bible-toting voters"?

But, getting back to the point, the Republican relationship with public education is largely pragmatic -- they believe US K-12 public education is largely falling down on the job, as evidenced by all sorts of international comparisons. And, that's true despite many waves of so-called "reform" of public education. So, they see traditional public education as a hopeless cause and look for alternatives. Thus, you see them support things like charters and vouchers.

Supporters of public education say "You're just trying to destroy public education." In reality, though, their focus is completely off traditional public education -- they're looking for the next thing. It may be that, in switching to a more choice-based education system, traditional public education is substantially destroyed along the way. But, that's certainly not their purpose. They see themselves like Henry Ford -- Ford's purpose was to build cars, not to put buggy-whip manufacturers out of business, although he certainly did so.

International comparisons

Republicans believe US K-12 public education is falling down on the job as evidenced by all sorts of international comparisons. - So let me get this straight, we are losing the battle of education against a bunch of socialist countries ? Hmm, maybe they have something right ? The issue with the Republicans is they think simply providing a desk, piece of paper and a pencil should be enough for a kid to learn. Forget that kids come to school hungry, do not have an environment to study and learn in at home because both parents are working two jobs at minimum wage just to get by. In the Republican's eyes these people are the takers, the slackers and it is their own fault for the station they have in life. If only they would show some initiative they could raise themselves up. Charter schools and vouchers are not going to fix it.

Whoa...lot of garbage here

Whoa...lot of garbage here to clean up...not sure I'll get to all of it.

First, international comparisons are difficult, however, when you compare our top students with theirs we're not doing so well. Generally, most "socialist" countries you may be thinking of don't do a great job with people in the "lower classes". They tend to put them on different tracks than the more wealthy, connected kids. Also, many of those "socialist" countries don't have a lot of diversity to contend with. Some don't even allow ANY immigration for example. Some don't have to worry about immigration because no one wants to move there anyway.

You like to bring up the plight of the poor in the US a lot (usually with a lot of exaggeration). There are a lot more REALLY poor people in socialist countries than there are in the US. The poor in the US are generally doing quite well by international standards.

If kids are coming to school hungry or don't have an environment to learn in at home, it's because their parents are not taking care of their primary responsibility...period. I always find it interesting when people claim the poor are working all the time, two jobs, both parents out of the house, etc. If that were true, then why on earth are they still "poor"? If both parents are working 2 full-time jobs each even at minimum wage, that's 60K per year! If both parents are working just one job at minimum wage, that's at least 30K per year. Let's also mention that nearly everyone who works the same job for more than 3 months DOESN'T MAKE MINIMUM WAGE! The average full-time hourly wage for a Wal-mart associate is $10.76. Depending on the number of hours you work, that can be more than $20K per year plus health benefits and a 401K plan.

There is no doubt that some people end up being poor through no fault of their own. Illness, mental issues, tragic accidents, etc, but let's not pretend that's most of them. Most people end up poor because they made poor choices and continue to make poor choices. If they're not feeding their children or making sure they're doing ok in school, they're just perpetuating the problem. Charter schools and vouchers absolute help the poor who want to offer something better for their children. Parents who don't give a darn...well...I completely agree that charter schools and vouchers are not gonna fix that. However, for every poor child that does get that opportunity, that will be one less person depending on government in the next generation. So....in the long run, charter schools and vouchers may be the answer.

Now, if you want to know which political party benefits the MOST from a failing public education system, all you have to so is look at who gets the most money from teacher unions and look which party the people dependent on government (excluding military retirees and SS recipients) vote for. If even fraction of people were made less dependent on government via a strong public education system, Republicans would have a much greater chance at regaining power.

By the way....I just wanted

By the way....I just wanted to let you know, this post of yours, beyond being idiotic, reeks of intolerance and bigotry.

Also, universities are by-in-large left wing and teach from that point of view....study after study as proven that. I've just posted a link to one of them below. Are you going to try and argue that this FACT is not true?

http://www.studentsforacademicfreedom.org/news/1898/lackdiversity.html

SAF...

was founded by David Horowitz (who seems to place a really high value of the sanctity of marriage - so high in fact that he married 4 times - I bring that up since the republicans run entire campaigns based on that issue). If you consider that a "study" and "fact" - then you might want to re-evaluate your own education - as you don't seem to know what either word means.

do you not see that education is a business?

Anything that is defined by money and real estate is a business, and this business is failing. And my fellow democrats are blaming parents. It is like a business blaming its customers when it fails. WCPSS has not met the needs of its most valuable customers - middle class and high income families. And they have been nasty and spiteful while doing it. We need to wake up and grasp our reality. We are going out of business....

Correct! The truth of the

Correct! The truth of the matter is the the middle class and high-income families you reference are comprised of accomplished people who are good at solving problems. If the public school offerings do not measure up--which they aren't in many cases--the parents in these families WILL find alternatives.

in general I am having trouble with those people

who refuse to evolve in their understanding of how we should be doing what we do.
I look at what I do for a living - with the fiscal constraints (that are never going to get better) we are forced to focus on significance and impact because the NIH is now focused on significance and impact. When I look at industry priorities there is probably 75% overlap with what they consider to be of significance and will have impact. 40% of life science companies now expect ROI on their R&D in comparison to 10% five years ago. And private foundations now have to do their business by funding strategically and looking at ROI on their investments.
And then we have public education. We don't look at ROI. We operate so inefficiently and make excuses for operating schools at 60% capacity and blame parents and call them racist. It is an alternate universe with no accountability.

It's certainly clear that

It's certainly clear that Universities see education as a business.....

WCPSS doesn't appear to realize they are a business with a new competitor on the block! We just checked out a small charter school that's just getting going....they may be doubling or tripling their enrollment next year. WCPSS is going to wake up in a few years and realize they are the new Blockbuster.

Typical....you can't argue

Typical....you can't argue against the FACTs so you attack the man. What's new?

Don't like that one? How

Don't like that one?

How about this one.....

http://www.cwu.edu/~manwellerm/academic%20bias.pdf

Or this one...
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&ved=0CGcQFjAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fciteseerx.ist.psu.edu%2Fviewdoc%2Fdownload%3Fdoi%3D10.1.1.147.6141%26rep%3Drep1%26type%3Dpdf&ei=umkuUfz7IqTD0QWhlYGIDg&usg=AFQjCNFpTaqWQOMgP2E5IdYbPWWb-K90HA&bvm=bv.42965579,d.d2k&cad=rja

or how about ALL THESE STUDIES!
http://www.studentsforacademicfreedom.org/news/1893/FacultyStudies.htm

Only a true moron who has not left their basement in 50 years would try and argue against this FACT.

I read part of the first

I read part of the first "study", and skimmed through the rest.

Do you think it took them a long time to determine that most of the higher-ranking positions in a field dominated by left-leaning people are typically filled by people who lean left?

For their next study, are they going to tell how unfair it is that short, white guys are hard to find in the NBA? Based on the overall demographics of the country, there should be many more of them in the league.

That was one study you

That was one study you picked on....The overarching point was (while self-evident to the majority of people) was that liberals dominate the education system, certainly at Universities (while that wasn't part of my original point). Now, if you want to claim that faculty at Universities are largely balanced in their political view points...well, I simply cannot help that kind of ignorance.

As to the study you picked on....I think you have to ask yourself whether its a chicken or egg scenario. If the field is dominated by one-train of thought, perhaps its attracting people with that point of view is a disproportionate manner. I don't think its healthy for any field to be so lopsided in its point of view or political persuasion. That tends to breed group think which isn't helpful and may very well explain while "research" in the social sciences is of such poor quality.

What are you talking about?

What are you talking about? The problem Republicans have with regard to education is that it is producing a bunch of IDIOTS that have no clue about much of anything. I don't care if the word "religion" or "Jesus" or anything else is ever uttered in school. I do, however, care that kids learn the 3R's as well as US History and Science and Technology. The current public education model is failing on all of those fronts. That IS not good for the Republican party because it creates a bunch of morons that cannot support themselves and therefore rely on government handouts. It also creates a bunch of idiots who do not understand the successes capitalism, the failures of socialism and the principals on which this country was founded. That is also not good for the Republican party and its DAMN SURE not good for the United States of America!

Honestly, this post of yours is one of the stupidest things I have EVER read on this blog....and that's saying something.

something does have to change

On that you will get no argument from me. I will not send my kids to another school that is far away and lacking resources. Not going to happen.

We knew the second they fired Tony that all hell was going to break lose because he was the one holding back the deluge.

But I would have more confidence in this process if I heard the CC discuss how this was going to ultimately (really) help all children and all families. I need to hear some of these conservative values your say exist!

Tony Tata is without a doubt

Tony Tata is without a doubt a Conservative and I think you saw what he was trying to do and the principals from which those actions came from.

It's not always immediately obvious how Conservative principals will lead to improvements for all but just keep in mind that "a rising tide lifts all boats". We all, however, have to remain cautious and never forget that these "leaders" are just people and worse than that they are politicians. Conservative or otherwise we all have to keep them in line and expect them to make mistakes. If they're not making decisions that can be backed up by principal, I'm certainly not going to support them just because they're Republicans. I don't really know what the hell a Republican is any more...anymore than you know what a Democrat is.

I don't know these CC personally or otherwise...I can tell you there aren't many Republicans who can effectively articulate Conservative principals and how they are best for the general welfare of all. Marko Rubio may be the best example of that we have today and he's far from perfect. Therefore, I wouldn't expect a clear explanation from the Wake Co. CCs. They may know what they're doing but not be very could a communicating it. Mitt Romney was a pretty good example if that. Had he had 1/2 the ability to communicate Conservative principals that Rubio has, he'd be President.

Does this really say "I

Does this really say "I don't know why the commissioners want these changes either, but we should trust them"?

All I've heard the commissioners talk about is "this one time, we saved the county money by getting a better price than the school negotiated for a parcel of land". Considering all the land purchases, that doesn't seem like much evidence in their favor.

NO...that's not what I said

NO...that's not what I said at all. I know EXACTLY why the CC what these changes - the current BOE obviously cannot be trusted to do anything and they, the current BOE, have obviously exhibited a lack of responsibility with regard to tax payer funds.

What I said was that I (me personally) do not solely trust ANY politician and will always cautiously observe their future behavior and decisions. Unlike some, I will not follow ANY political leader, regardless of party, like a lemming over the cliff. Clearly the supporter of Obama have no problem doing that....I'm just different I guess.

Conservative philosophies --

Conservative philosophies -- free markets, capitalism, liberty, etc. -- rely on an educated and capable populace to maximize results. So, education is highly valued among conservatives. The problem with public education is that it has not been delivering an educated and capable populace. If it did, conservatives would be singing its praises. As it is, public education needs an overhaul... and the public needs options that work.

Yup...

Violence begets violence. Partisan actions (i.e. firing Tata) beget partisan actions. If the board majority wanted to avoid a partisan hit, it should have avoided making any such hit of its own.

exactly

but the bottom line is that none of these people who run for office seem to have 1) self control and 2) a mind of their own outside of their party.
Sad.

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