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Wacky Wednesdays to be dropped?

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Are Wacky Wednesdays on the way out with the new school board majority?

As noted in today's article by Ray Martin, new school board member John Tedesco said it's "highly probable" that the new majority will scrap the weekly Wednesday early dismissals. Tedesco didn't rule out the possibility that the change could happen as soon as this school year instead of waiting until July.

"I can tell you what I've heard and what the others have heard is an overwhelming number of parents who are not happy with this and we'll do our best to represent the parents," Tedesco said in the article. "I could not imagine that this would go on in the next academic year,"

The city of Raleigh plans to bill the school system for the more than $20,000 it cost to print more than 800 new school zone signs. Part of the problem is that even though the bell schedule changes were approved in March, staff from Raleigh, the state Department of Transportation and the school system didn't meet until August to review the changes.

Not everyone thinks eliminating the Wednesday early dismissals is a good idea.

Outgoing school board member Patti Head said the new board shouldn't rush into eliminating the early dismissals. Head said the new board members should first look at all the data and talk with teachers and principals who appreciate the weekly 1-hour professional learning team times.

"There are people who are very happy with it," Head said. "I just keep hearing very positive things from our teachers and principals."

Head said she hasn't heard many complaints from parents about the change.

That same view was echoed by school administrators in today's column by Ruth Sheehan.

Sheehan said administrators seemed to have a hard time believing that the new Wednesday schedules are burdensome to parents. Michael Evans, Wake's chief communications officer, said principals just aren't getting many complaints.

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While most teachers I know

While most teachers I know (and I am a teacher) were not aware of the early release proposal until it was made public, most teachers have adjusted and do find the time very valuable. For those saying that all math teachers should meet when the students are in English, etc., all I can say is it is not as simple as that. There is no way to schedule for all teachers of a certain subject to have the same planning period unless you want class sizes of 50 in your child's classes.

 

For those that say you have no idea what is going on in the PLT's, ask your child's principal for a weekly report. The only paperwork requirement that we are asked to complete is to submit a report for the entire PLT that lists those who were present, what was discussed and what was decided. This report at our school is then posted on the Open Shared Drive for Staff so the principal should have no problems accessing those reports. However, I admit I do not know the procedure at other schools, but I do know we are to submit something for each meeting.

 

The group that this release probably affects the most is teachers with young children such as myself because now I cannot leave my campus early enough to meet my children at the bus stop. However, most schools are offering child-care options at around $15 per month per child for Wednesday-only care. This is a very reasonable option.

 

Whatever they do, I hope they do NOT change it for this school year because so many people have already made child care arrangements as well as scheduled whatever extracurricular activities for the year around this schedule. I think for many people, this is something else they want to latch onto as yet another thing to gripe about.

 

Gripe about the MYR (I am there with you), gripe about the inability to access magnet programs (I am there with you), gripe about reassignments that send kids past 3 elementary schools (I am there with you), but DON'T throw out unfounded accusations about what teachers are doing and are not doing at these meetings. We teachers are working way too hard with way too little to be constantly brought down by people who either shamelessly make up things to further their agenda or those who are too eager to pass on what they hear without checking out the facts for themselves.

Wacky Wednesday turned out

Wacky Wednesday turned out to be an effective campaign slogan but it distorts the potential benefits of the PLT program. Providing teachers with a forum to exchange ideas and refine teaching strategies is worth sustaining. The frequency and scheduling might need to be revised but the concept itself has promise for teachers and students.

 

Yes,

 "the concept itself has promise for teachers and students."

 

I agree - it's the timing that just needs to be looked at again.

"concept itself has promise

"concept itself has promise for teachers and students"

and schools had been doing that already, some for years even!

So...

The math teacher/english teacher thing was just an example.  The point is that there are surely better ways to schedule PLCs than to have every student leave school early one day a week.  It's as if the administration elected to do this in a way that would cause the maximum inconvenience to everybody involved.

I do not, for a single second, believe  that teachers do not generally work exceptionally hard (nor, I suspect, do most people on this blog).   But, Mrs. Sconce and I have each been to our kid's school on Wednesday afternoons, and noticed that the parking lot was mostly empty. 

Even so, I'm with you on changing it for this year -- changes need to be planned and advertised well in advance.  The more people affected, the farther in advance the change needs to be made.  So, if the new board decides to abandon PLCs I hope that they do so early, perhaps at the first meeting.    Sure, the board risks making a mistake by not having all the facts and not studying it in depth.  There's no reason that an improved PLC plan can't be developed and rolled out over a couple of years.  

Great post.   Honest

Great post.

 

Honest question.... Could PLTs meet in the mornings prior to school start time? Also, is it necessary to meet weekly? Personally, I find that a little excessive.

 

I wasn't at this school last

I wasn't at this school last year so don't know all the details, but a teacher at my child's school (which happened to be an Honors School of Excellence for 2008-2009 after being a School of Distinction for 2007-2008) told me that they did have PLC's last year without resorting to a Wacky Wednesday schedule, so it appears that it is possible for them to be held during a regular school day and still provide good results.

Hmm...

"Personally, I find that a little excessive."

Are you a teacher?  How can you have an opinion on something you have no knowledge of. 

Doth protest too much

It's possible, I suppose, that there's something magic about how they're currently done -- that, somehow, PLCs/PLTs only work if they happen once a week on Wednesday afternoons and then only all at the same time, with no students in the school.   And that moving to any other format, like once a month or staggered during the school day, will yield no benefit at all.

But, I doubt it because I'm not aware of anything else in the world that works like that except, maybe, highly regimented treatments for certain diseases.  I find it highly doubtful that there is no more reasonable schedule which provides most of the benefits as the current schedule.

The school board foisted this experiment on district families late in the last school year basically at the word of the administration, without a whole lot of fanfare or public comment.  They didn't poll families to gauge their reaction.  They didn't pilot the schedule in any WCPSS school -- they basically just said "Sure, this will impact about 60,000 families every week this school year, but they'll adjust."  It was just plain arrogant.   And, that arrogance (on this and countless other matters) led to this year's election results.

 

>>However, most schools are

>>However, most schools are offering child-care options at around $15 per month per child for Wednesday-only care. This is a very reasonable option.

 YES - if you can get in.  They max out on spots.  We are waitlisted still.

WHy can't a PLC be held ONE

WHy can't a PLC be held ONE WED a month for a full day? Wouldn't that make sense?
I hear from teachers they do like the time for the PLC, but they hate the paperwork, hate that they can't get other work done, hate the scrambling for sitting for their own kids, plus the extra expense for the day care..... so I am never quite sure if they really deep down like it or not.

But then again, do we all really know what are supposed to "like" or not until Del tells us all what we like and don't like - that's inclusive of parents and teachers.

We are to do as Del likes and shut up.

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It is a good think to drop

It is a good think to drop for the next school year. I would surveyv the parents if it is a good idea to drop it now. Parents already enrolled kids into afterschool activities counting on early Wednesday dismissals.

Not now..

There's too much churn to do it now -- bus schedules would have to be revamped, school start/end times reset, etc....  WCPSS is big enough that changes like this need to be planned well ahead of time.

I think they ought to keep

I think they ought to keep the start and end times for M,T,T and F and just change the Wednesday afternoon release time back to match the other days of the week. The BoE can tinker with the schedule more for next school year. 

Wacky Wednesdays Out - Hooray

Can it be done at Winter/Christmas/Semester break and just start new on Jan. 2010!

Those two weeks would give everyone a chance to readjust schedules and get notice out to parents.

Please correct me if I am

Please correct me if I am wrong. I was under impression that YMCA required parents to sign up for an entire year for early Wednesdays program.

Good easy first move

Parents should not be the ones to suffer because of the increased paperwork issues.
Let's get to the root-
The issue really is the use of Total Quality Management (TQM) ideas in an environment that does not lend easily to it. I endured several years in the Air Force of a federal government mandated TQM effort by the Clinton administration. There was some good as a result, but it had major drawbacks in a bureaucratic environments. One was a huge increase in meetings, paperwork, and minimum return for the extra effort. Some of the ideas were good and carried forward after the program was dropped in the Bush admin. It requires a lot of TQM education and a complete (make that total) buy-in of management to make it work properly. The system works well in industry, but not in a large bureaucratic government environment like Wake County schools.
The best thing out of it was to listen to the front line workers (i.e. Teachers)
for their ideas in improving the way things are done. The best ideas are rewarded based on the improvements, especially when they saved money.

OH!!  Voice of reason....I

OH!!  Voice of reason....I wish every newsmedia would interview you live and broadcast your opinion and ideas and thoughts about this.  I love how you related the military and schools together to see how the "thought" behind this is good...but the actual process and outcome will NEVER work.  All this time, and nothing will really change.  YES, you are correct they need to come and ask the "front line workers" the teachers.

Thanks, I wish they would listen

TQM is a complex beast and takes years to ingrain into a organization. Employee training is the hardest thing to do and is the most important to realize real benefits. In the Air Force we had the luxury of training time and a large budget to finance the program. The WCPSS has neither. I was in a 3000 person organization with a strong leader who made it happen. Not all units had the advantage of a leader sold on TQM. I was an evaluator who examined how sub-units integrated into the overall TQM effort.  In some areas like aircraft maintance, it paid off.  In areas like student training (we had a large training unit); bureaucracy got in the way and it was for the most part a large, painful paperwork exercise.

TQM can also be the death of

TQM can also be the death of an organization.  Consider how many former winners of the Malcolm Baldridge Award are now bankrupt.  TQM is supposed to start with the customer, yet WCPSS has failed to engage in any systematic customer/parent surveys.  Here's a great chance to cut central office overhead by doing away with the TQM staff.

Mudge you are correct

The customers are the child and the community. They have little input. The parents are customers too, and we all know they have little unfiltered input.

Getting rid of the TQM staff may be a little optimistic. Isn't a lot of what they do mandated from above local level? In the Air Force we only had a TQM staff to do training, after initial training was finished, it went away.

I think and wish all programs would get a cost/benefit analysis. I think a lot of programs cost a whole lot with minimal benefits. Another thing I would like to see is a reward program for employees that make improvement suggestions that save money.

"Another thing I would like

"Another thing I would like to see is a reward program for employees that make improvement suggestions that save money."

Agreed, along with a program that lets teachers bring serious concerns directly to the school board, without fear of repercussions.

Hard to even imagine!

"Agreed, along with a program that lets teachers bring serious concerns directly to the school board, without fear of repercussions."

 

Talk about an idea that is waaaaay overdue!  

Guess its time...

...to email Patty directly with our complaints! Oh wait, I complained to the school board before it happened - guess that doesn't count. FWIW, I haven't found a parent who likes these Wacky Wednesdays either.

While planning is good, the teacher's I've talked to don't like it because it messes with the schedule on Wed (condensing the class times) and gives them more paperwork to deal with.

"...administrators seemed to have a hard time believing that the new Wednesday schedules are burdensome to parents." - you've GOT to be kidding me!!! The arrogance...

YEAH!!!!

This is a no-brainer. I have not found another parent who likes this.   The responses ranged from frustrated and irritated to coping with the bizarrre schedule.  I am all for profesional development but taking it 1 hr at a time durinf the school day instead of an additional teacher workday  was rdiculous. No doubt they would have to pay an extra day if it was an extra day and that is why they chose this route.  But I never heard a single teacher mention that more professional development was needed. Never heard any debate or issue when it came to improving teacher retention or improving EOG's etc. just the quick implementation by this board. 

I don't like it, and I sure

I don't like it, and I sure don't complain to our principal about it because the decesion had nothing to do with her, as Sheehan writes in the article. 

I will say that at our specific school, the teachers DO frequently comment on how useful this allocated time is.  Many times I have driven by at 4:15 and STILL see the teacher parking lot almost full.  (Our school is early bell, so 1:25 release on Wed.)  They are doing something...

That said - the teachers do understand and appreciate (at least in hallway conversations with parents like me) that it is a difficult time/situation for parents to manage.  Mornings would be FAR easier for us as parents to orchestrate...

I do believe they need planning time - the rub is finding a solution that works as well as possible for everyone - children, teachers, parents, admin's etc.   Chapel Hill has something similar, and I think Durham too - actually a lot of districts across the USA have similar types of sessions for teachers.  Most if not all that I have looked at - they are morning based... of course Wake stated that was "very difficult" due to the bussing schedules.  Maybe if the bussing gets more manageable, the morning option can be put back on the table for discussion.

Sub-group...

So, PLCs may be a good idea.  I just don't have the expertise to know.  I suggest, though, that there are ways to implement them which do not require sending students home early once a week. 

 For example, have all the math teachers do their PLCs while students are in English class.

Patti Head is hearing

Patti Head is hearing "mostly good things" because she has alienated herself from so many of our good teachers and principals. Every teacher I talk to hates the idea. And the board added so much extra paperwork to "facilitate" this extra hour that the teachers spend almost another hour filling in forms about how they spent their time, what actions are planned, and how the process is working.

The whole thing was ramrodded by Jennifer Inane and a handful of people, with almost no time for board consideration or public input.

The first of MANY things about to change

for the better! And we love the "we're not waiting concept"! No need to study it, no need to collect a bunch of useless data, it's a ridiculous idea that was shoved down our throats almost overnight and it only makes sense that it be the first to go! Way to go NEW board! What will be next? :c )

As for the cost, we waste that much probably in a month, or less, for all the under capacity MYR schools, so just add it to the irresponsible choices this current board, and past boards, have made, it's ALL their faults and I think THEY should be billed personally for it all! Starting with deaf Patti!

As for Evans, what he thinks matters about as much as ZERO to most of us!

That is quite an understatement!

"As for Evans, what he thinks matters about as much as ZERO to most of us!"

Patti, Patti,Patti

"Head said the new board members should first look at all the data and talk with teachers and principals who appreciate the weekly 1-hour professional learning team times'

Yup just like you did when you all passed this in the middle of the night. Not one Teacher even knew it was coming down the pike.

"Head said she hasn't heard many complaints from parents about the change."

 Patti never hears ANY complaints. Especially the 450 parents that voted NO in her face to the Year Round conversions. Get a hearing aid.

Burden....

Just drop by an elementary school on a Wednesday afternoon and see the kids whose parents didn't clue in to the schedule change that week. And, heck, count the cars in the teachers parking lot on the early WW's. At my kid's school, that lot was practically empty at 3:00.

The administration has this whole thing backward -- instead of asserting "well, nobody's complained," they should be saying "well, we spent a lot of time educating parents at the beginning of the school year, then surveyed them and found that they were generally supportive of the idea." Unfortunately, the administration didn't do that. So, now they're relying on people complaining to a district which, historically, has been tone-deaf to complaints. If the district isn't going to listen when parents complain about big things (like reassignments), why bother to complain about smaller things?

Of course teachers should be asked. But, the incoming members should find those teachers themselves and ask them privately, so those teachers don't feel the need to toe the party line.

As to the city's bill.... They can send the bill, but good luck trying to collect. WCPSS might pay just to keep good relations, but they don't have to.

Drop WW

Kill Wacky Wednesdays; enough already. The pros of WW are far outweighed by the cons.

Pros vs. Cons

I must have missed information that even tells what these PLC's are discussing, how they've solved any big issue, nor have I been invited to discuss any issues on a PLC 1/2 day off meeting - so maybe I've missed those pros you are writing about -

 

PLC summary

I'm not sure how much similarity there is from school to school when it comes to PLCs, but I found this summary from one ES that explains the why and the what of PLCs.

http://lakemyraes.wcpss.net/podcasts/plc_text.html

 

Here's a link to PLT meeting summaries from another school. You might be able to find specific information for your school on the school's website or your school and/or classroom newsletters. My understanding is that schools are supposed to be communicating this information.

http://laurelparkes.wcpss.net/pltinformation.html

Professionalism

Would you expect to be included in a meeting of Doctors discussing treatment for a patient?  There needs to be a certain amount of trust between parents and educators that teachers and staff 1) actually know what they are doing because they are professionally trained and 2) Since when do parents run the school system?  Obviously educators work for the board and certainly the Board needs to be open to community concerns, but there needs to be a dialogue.

 I also don't find Mr. Hui's use of the word Wacky Wednesday in the heading and opening blog text very journalistic.  Obviously if he referred to it as one of the names coined along with the actual name, I think it would be defensible, but otherwise it's a ploy to stir the pot rather than set an objective opening to an otherwise fractured debate.

My child

If that patient were my child I could definitely see cases where I would expect to have a very direct contribution to discussions of 'treatment'. I would want to know everything about their treatment, yes. And probably more than one opinion or conversation about it. Yes, teachers are professionals. Yes, parents and teachers need to have a trust for each other. This doesn't happen automatically. 

 

Since when do parents run the school system? That is a very very interesting question. Frankly I wouldn't trust a teacher who would pose such a question in such an insensitive way. Let's see....we pay for it. We give over our offspring to it. And we're just supposed to walk away? I don't think so. We're the voters and the taxpayers we're so sorry to inconvenience you, but we're here to stay. We are the top of the organizational chart. We want to trust those 'in service' to our children, but that has to be earned. 

 

Maybe the problem is that the school system is just too darned big, so there can't be that inherent 'trust'. The school, the teacher and the parent need to all be part of the community to help raise the children. Since our schools communities have been so unpredictable and ever-changing there isn't in fact that situation. So, your bristling in this context at the fact that parents want to know more about these meetings comes off as misplaced defensiveness. I'm trying to be nice. 

Communication

I agree there needs to be a dialogue, but it needs to be open and with all stakeholders. That has been a problem with Wake Wednesdays. The district had NO dialogue with or buy-in from parents (except the four on the Committee) prior to implementing the schedule. Stakeholder buy-in early in the process is project management 101.

 

Also, there still obviously hasn't been dialogue as the administration can't imagine the new schedules are burdensome. Also, there is still confusion about what PLC/PLTs even are. Some people think Wake Wednesdays are for professional development time rather than something akin to a group of doctors meeting about patient treatment. BTW if a group of doctors were meeting about how to treat my child, I would want a summarized understanding of what took place - wouldn't you (if you don't have a child substitute 'person that means the most to you in this world' for child)?

 

As much as you want educators to be trusted, parents want respect and consideration. Maybe both sides can work together towards those things? Unfortuneately, neither the outgoing BOE members nor IMO a number of central staff have fostered an environment that was conducive to that happening. Hopefully, that can change. I must say though the fact that the administration can't even imagine the issues doesn't give me warm fuzzies on that front.

Your last paragraph TPG says

Your last paragraph TPG says it all.  That is a great summary and conclusion regarding this HUGE mess of PLT's Wednesdays here in Wake.

Pfft...

    So, PLC means teachers sitting around talking about individual students?

    "Trust me, I'm a teacher.  I'm professionally trained so I know what I'm doing" isn't sufficient to justify inconveniencing every family in Wake County.  I wouldn't accept that from either my doctor or my lawyer.  And, in any case, Wake teachers are hardly uniformly in favor of how they currently spend their Wednesday afternoons.

    Parents may not run the school system, but they are the system's primary customer and primary supporter.   The district disregards them at its peril.  Horace Tart learned that the hard way.

    I wasn't aware that there was an official name for Wednesdays on which students are let out early.  "The day on which Wake students are dismissed early so teachers can participate in Professional Learning Communities" isn't particularly catchy.

You do realize that this is

You do realize that this is a blog?

you forgot  the <sarcasm>

you forgot  the <sarcasm> part! :)

it ain't easy these days, eh?

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