There are more uncertainties than certainties right now in what direction student assignment will take in Wake County.
As noted in today's article, one of the few certainties is that the resolution passed on Tuesday means any widespread changes are likely on hold until the 2012-13 school year at the earliest. Aside from whatever changes are made next year, the plan adopted by the old board will stay in effect for the 2011-12 school year.
The elimination of the zone plan means there's not much detail on what will happen next.
School board vice chairwoman Debra Goldman said she remains committed to bringing a community schools model to Wake to replace the system that used diversity as a key factor in student assignment. But she provided few specifics Wednesday about what the new plan would look like, saying that more feedback is needed from the public and all nine board members before a plan is developed.
“If there is a whole new plan to be created, there needs to be more key facts and input from stakeholders,” she said.
For instance, Goldman said they need more feedback about how to handle the thousands of Southeast Raleigh students who are now bused outside their communities for diversity. Poverty levels could rise sharply and the number of seats at magnet schools for suburban studetns would be sharply cut back if the Southeast Raleigh children are brought back.
“These are the kinds of issues where you want to get everybody involved,” Goldman said.
Some of the Democratic board members whom Goldman allied with on the resolution Tuesday night say the answer is to supply broad principles to staff and let them offer up specific plans to the board.
“I am hoping my colleagues remember their School Board 101, that school board makes decisions on ‘what,’ and the superintendent and the staff is supposed to take care of the how,” said board member Kevin Hill. “I feel the community is worried about proximity and stability and these are the issues we need to look at.”
Board member Carolyn Morrison and Anne Sherron, her community rep on the student assignment committee, met Wednesday with Laura Evans, senior director of growth management.
It's not certain yet whether the student assignment committee will still meet Tuesday.

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How to fix our schools: A manifesto by Joel Klein, Michelle Rhee
Fri, 10/08/2010 - 11:37 — AngelaWSo, where do we start? With the basics. As President Obama has emphasized, the single most important factor determining whether students succeed in school is not the color of their skin or their ZIP code or even their parents' income -- it is the quality of their teacher.
Even the best teachers -- those who possess such skills -- face stiff challenges in meeting the diverse needs of their students. A single elementary- or middle-school classroom can contain, for instance, students who read on two or three different grade levels, and that range grows even wider as students move into high school. Is it reasonable to expect a teacher to address all the needs of 25 or 30 students when some are reading on a fourth-grade level and others are ready for Tolstoy? We must equip educators with the best technology available to make instruction more effective and efficient. By better using technology to collect data on student learning and shape individualized instruction, we can help transform our classrooms and lessen the burden on teachers' time.
We also must make charter schools a truly viable option. If all of our neighborhood schools were great, we wouldn't be facing this crisis. But our children need great schools now -- whether district-run public schools or public charter schools serving all students -- and we shouldn't limit the numbers of one form at the expense of the other. Excellence must be our only criteria for evaluating our schools.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/07/AR2010100705078.html
to be fair.....
Fri, 10/08/2010 - 12:15 — AngelaWHow to (Let Someone Else) Fix Our Schools
Justin Baeder (@eduleadership) is a public school principal in Seattle, Washington. He speaks and writes about principal performance and productivity, and is a doctoral student at the University of Washington in Educational Leadership & Policy Studies
Puzzlingly, rather than celebrate their accomplishments and boldly commit to the next steps in their ambitious agendas for change, they promote charter schools and technology-based learning as promising solutions to America's education woes. Not only does the editorial obfuscate the superintendents' actual plans for improving their districts; it tosses red herrings in front of a national audience hungry for tough talk about education reform .
http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/LeaderTalk/2010/10/how_to_let_someone_else_fix_ou.html
"We also must make charter
Fri, 10/08/2010 - 11:57 — user12345"We also must make charter schools a truly viable option."
If charter schools are the right answer, I never understood why we don't let public schools be charter schools ... all the public schools need to do is get rid of transportation, the lunch room, the ball field, NCDE paperwork and all the poor and special ed kids and we could have all charter schools instantaneously.
english 101
Fri, 10/08/2010 - 12:09 — AngelaW"truly viable option" does not in any way shape or form mean "right answer"......what about that concept is too difficult for you to comprehend?
choices......why are you so against them?
I am for choices but you
Fri, 10/08/2010 - 12:53 — user12345I am for choices but you fail to understand that the charter option is stupid. What is so hard to understand that a charter school is a public school without all the government mandates like transportation, food, etc. If you want public schools without transportation, food, fields, poor and SE kids, than create them now instead of blaming some cap.
Wow!
Fri, 10/08/2010 - 16:29 — enufalredyyou really must come out of your cave. There are charter schools with high poverty kids doing far better for them than the public school system. Check out that new movie, Waiting for Superman. You may have heard of it. Until we stop denying the realities of what the teachers unions have done to education in this country, we will never begin to address the problem. Pleases know that I'm not suggesting the teachers unions are the only ones to blame. But, they are indeed part of the problem.
I have a friend whose special ed kid is going to a very successful charter school here in Wake county for the first time this year. The difference between what he is getting at the charter school in terms of teacher support, curriculum and expectations and what he got at a WCPSS school would make your head spin. And you know, it's making a difference. The kid is learning. OMG. It can be done. And she's happy to drive him to/from school every day. She thanks God he's where he's at. What this charter school is giving him will change his life. Every child should have that opportunity. Don't tell me it can't be done because I refuse to accept that.
"There are charter schools
Fri, 10/08/2010 - 23:43 — user12345"There are charter schools with high poverty kids doing far better for them than the public school system."
Can you name your example here in Wake Co?
What is it with you and your
Sat, 10/09/2010 - 08:40 — woodstockWhat is it with you and your tunnel vision? Is your entire perspective build around what happens in Wake County ...or CMS?
I haven't studied the numbers for Wake county
Sat, 10/09/2010 - 08:31 — enufalredybut there are charter schools throughout the country dealing with high poverty populations and having great success with them. Are you suggesting this isn't valid? Are you suggesting there is something unique about Wake county poor kids?
Something unique in Wake Co - yes - "NO MONEY"
Sat, 10/09/2010 - 14:26 — bluedaisyIf charters here could have the PPFunding that the other states give to their charters, we (Wake Co) could get better results in a charter school of low income children. But of course, if NC gave the PPF of the 44 states ahead of us in funding their schools, imagine what could happen to achievement - charters and LEA's. You are not comparing apples to apples, state to state charters. Compare us to charters the bottom 5 states in the nation in PPF. How do we stack up as a state to those?
I'm not even sure how to respond to this...
Mon, 10/11/2010 - 09:30 — enufalredyI think what is more important to analyze is what % of NC funding our charters get vs. our non-charters and how do they compare with regard to achievement. I can't find an overall report on the dpi website comparing charter performance to non-charter at either the LEA and state level, but can say there are some charters here in NC doing a great job - Gaston Prep for example. High poverty, high minority, and good success. I don't think we do our kids any favors by dismissing the success some of these charters are having. We need to look at those that are successful and find out what they are doing and try to replicate it in other schools. I'm not suggesting that charters are entirely the answer, but we can't deny there are some lessons to be learned.
I'd love for you to provide data and analysis on the question you posed above. I'm not exactly sure what it will tell us, but it would be very interesting to review.
Funding
Mon, 10/11/2010 - 12:10 — Solon77Gaston Prep has available approx. $2,500 (30%) more per student than the state average. The question becomes - is the county willing to spend $27m more $ to dedicate resources to the 55% that are failing to raise the pass rate to 70%. If one wants to go all of the way - then double it to $54m. Keeping in mind this is not a one time expenditure but on going .......
Sure...
Mon, 10/11/2010 - 12:56 — Bob_Sconce$2,500 over the state average sounds like a deal. Plus, remember why they call it the 'average.' I suspect these are probably students whose home districts are already spending more than the average on them.
Doesn't the state already give local districts additional money for students who receive F&R lunches? (don't know for sure, but seem to recall that from a post about how the state funds schools.)
I've got no problem dedicating resources to where
Mon, 10/11/2010 - 12:29 — enufalredythey are most needed. I'd much rather spend $$ to help our most at risk kids graduate employing methodologies that are having success with similar populations elsewhere than provide latin, mandarin, russian, japanese, semi private music lessons, on and on and on, to middle class and upper middle class suburban magnet kids. The inequities of the current system are hair raising.
Not sure all the "elbow rubbing" going on in the magnet hallways is having the intended effect for the at risk kids. Data doesn't seem to support that it is.
Ultimately, I believe the solution is a whole lot of things. Taking the best of what is happening all over the country, including here in Wake county. But we have to open our eyes to the fact that Wake county has been hiding their failings under the guise of "healthy schools."
Not sure all the "elbow
Mon, 10/11/2010 - 13:41 — user12345Not sure all the "elbow rubbing" going on in the magnet hallways is having the intended effect for the at risk kids
The "elbow rubbing" or "the purpose of magnets is to improve poor and minority achievement" was Republican political invention to define magnets in a back light to embarrass Democrats. I believe magnets were intended to help fill under capacity school, offer unique limited programs like IB and to stop some school from being high poverty which is a federal magnet grant objective. I think you got caught in the propaganda.
Are you saying that one of the major magnet
Mon, 10/11/2010 - 14:32 — enufalredyschool objectives is not to improve minority and ED performance? If that's the case, then why are we doing it? Isn't that money better spent directing resources to where they are really needed to meaningfully closing the achievement gap?
I keep hearing that the voluntary socioeconomic integration provided in the magnet environment is key to reducing poverty levels at a school and to therefore improving the learning environment and achievement of the base at risk population. Again, the data doesn't appear to validate that this goal is being achieved. But, I thought that was one of the primary reasons behind the huge investment in the magnet program.
To your other point about under utilized schools, if occupancy is the issue then why do all the magnet parents seem so concerned that allowing base kids to stay in their community schools will take the precious magnet seats away from their little Johnnies?
Honestly, I think if the Republicans were inventing a story for why we are committing the resources we are to magnet schools, I'd much rather claim that it was for the purposes of at risk academic achievement rather than giving a small subset of middle/upper income kids access to superior academic curriculum. Which is what you seem to be suggesting.
school objectives is not to
Mon, 10/11/2010 - 15:30 — user12345school objectives is not to improve minority and ED performance? If that's the case, then why are we doing it?
I agree ... I would not use magnet as my primary action to improve ED education ... who would? ... what a dumb idea ? ....which is why I could not believe the Republicans got so many people to believe that line .... EDs are spread out across Wake Co. and there are only a few magnets so magnets don't have the reach to get to many ED students in the county. ED achievement is best approached through early intervention and smaller class size in every school ... Magnets don't have anything to do with those approaches ...that is why I could never understand how people got the two intertwined ... magnets are a way to get people in over crowded schools to voluntarily attend under capacity schools by offering a sweetener to compensate for the distance. They are not equipped, funded, or staffed for the needs of ED kids.
I keep hearing that the voluntary socioeconomic integration provided in the magnet environment is key to reducing poverty levels at a school and to therefore improving the learning environment and achievement of the base at risk population
Again, Wake does not spend enough money to improve anything ... not building high poverty schools will be luck to just stop things from getting worse .. we would need to make an investment to actually improve things... I think your logical error is in assume the second part I bolded above ... low poverty = improved achievement ...
I'd much rather claim that it was for the purposes of at risk academic achievement rather than giving a small subset of middle/upper income kids access to superior academic curriculum.
Personally, I never thought what people get for a long drive to a dangerous side of town was worth being envious about ....
I'm sort of having a hard time following your
Mon, 10/11/2010 - 21:19 — enufalredyargument, but I think we may agree that magnets are not an efficient or effective way to improve achievement among ED base populations. Right?
I am perplexed by this:
I think your logical error is in assume the second part I bolded above... low poverty = improved achievement...
What exactly are you saying here? It almost sounds like you're saying that low poverty schools or high poverty schools have no effect on student achievement. But, I must be misunderstanding.
As for what parents will do for an enriched curriculum for their children, I guess the number of magnet applications not accepted every year tells that tale. Must be something special in them there magnets - or something lacking in most of the non-magnet schools. Lots of people want their kids to ride that bus to the "bad" part of town.
I agree that the capacity and occupancy issues do need to be addressed, but I think we are currently in overkill with the magnet solution. Dirty word, how about a charter in an otherwise shuttered downtown school?
I just think there are other ways to spend these precious resources to have a greater effect on the most at risk kids in the system.
healthy schools???
Mon, 10/11/2010 - 16:26 — loriacI hope the current board takes another look at the money being thrown at magnets - if the only benefit is to bring down F&R % at the schools, and only 8% of Wake County students benefit from magnet programs. The lower F&R% doesn't seem to benefit the base students (lower % are at grade level compared to non-magnet schools) - but hey, the school is healthy. I'd love to know how they calculate the % increase in magnet school membership when magnet parents worry that base students will take all the magnet seats in a neighborhood school scenario. Just doesn't add up.
Objectives
Magnet Programs will be used to foster healthy schools throughout the Wake County Public School System by using choice to help:
Magnet Students as % of District Enrollment
8%
Number of Magnet Applications (Spring 2009)
9,213
% of Magnet Applications Accepted (Spring 2009)
40%
IMPACT OF MAGNETS
Average percentage point reduction in magnet school FRL %
17%
Average percentage point increase in magnet school membership/capacity %
41%
Thanks ... hopefully
Mon, 10/11/2010 - 18:33 — user12345Thanks ... hopefully everyone sees now from your post that magnets are not intended to be the achievement tool for ED kids, nor blind kids, SE kids, or LEP kids ...
when magnet parents worry that base students will take all the magnet seats in a neighborhood school scenario
I don't know anyone who feels that way ... maybe you misunderstood what they were saying ... and if some did feel that way about the base students we need to let them read your magnet objectives above concerning maximizing use. One day, each area around each school will rejuvenate with new kids and those base families will want the school returned to non-magnet and the magnet will move where it is next needed like the IB program from Broughton to Millbrook (note my preference would have been to grow the IB program but resources being what they are it could only be moved)
A suggestion ... if you spent more time trying to increase the expectation at Leesville instead of obsessing of <8% of the students, you would do much more good for your child and school.
not obsessing - just wondering why this continues
Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:38 — loriacYes, after seeing your posts I went to the magnet page and read all that - nice words that would have breezed right by me unless I read this blog. I still cannot believe that we spend all this time/energy/money on magnet schools so they can look healthy and benefit only 8% of the students. They sure do look good, though, when Raleigh COC has to tout those award-winning schools. And the house prices near the schools aren't too bad either. Nice deal.... for some.
Actually - I'm very happy with Leesville. The teachers set very high expectations, and judging by my son's homework, I suspect the classes there are as difficult as any at Enloe, Broughton, wherever. At least my kid is not padding his transcript w/ IB psych classes that are known as easy As. (and worth the extra points as an honors class - well known 'trick')
I believe the whole magnet program has outlived its usefulness and should be reviewed, revamped and/or removed. Personally - except for the lucky kids who are able to take advantage of magnets, I see ZERO benefit to the system as a whole. What about the kids who live in the eastern reaches of the county - for instance - magnets are pretty much a non-choice for them just due to distance.
Looking around, I found the magnet program objectives from 2004-2005. The last bullet was interesting ... probably removed around the same time that someone decided that other schools should no longer 'compete' with magnets.
Magnet Programs will be used to create Healthy Schools throughout the Wake County Public School System through:
• The utilization of schools to make optimal use of all facilities
• Use of choice to help create diverse student populations, increase student
achievement and reduce high concentrations of poverty to promote respect for
cultures and beliefs and to enrich the learning experience and achievement
• The expansion of educational opportunities to make innovative programs accessible to all students so they can discover and develop gifts and talents
• Promotion of program innovations that foster system-wide improvement to raise the standards for the whole district by implementing innovative programs that meet the needs of all students.
Concerning the last line
Tue, 10/12/2010 - 08:11 — user12345Concerning the last line ...
When ever I look at the WCPSS site I find goals / plans that were written and never completed .. since the board is so political, each party erases what the other did and goes off in another direction.
For example, Burns called to commit to close achievement gap in 2007 and I doubt the new members are even familiar with that request ... and ultimate reinvent it
Superintendent Burns Calls for Elimination of Achievement Gaps (2007)
On the subject of
Mon, 10/11/2010 - 20:42 — red_balloonOn the subject of suggestions...
I wouldn't suggest having an expectation that a kid would learn Spanish at Green Hope. It's a different story at Smith. Expectations are important. But they can achieve zilch without opportunities.
By the time kids are routed through the non-magnet channel of dumbed down standards and lowered expectations in ES and MS, they are unlikely to be functioning at their full potential in HS. I suspect increasing expectations in the last lap, after holding them back until then, isn't going to work wonders.
Red ... I don't mean to be
Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:04 — user12345Red ... I don't mean to be thick but I just have never experienced nor felt that magnets are that great ... nice but not great ... I apprecaite whose who are not crowding our base school but going some where else .... you know my kids were home schooled with one-on-one tutoring 7x24 until HS and typically tested a few grades ahead and knew multiple languages... yet, I never felt there was much difference between them and their magnet and non-magnet friends ... and even when they got to HS all those dumbed down kids gave them a good run for their money with most going on to UNC, Duke, etc. I am sorry, but you make magnets seem like Groton or Exeter which are real schools and I just have never felt the magnet kids or offerings are something to be envied or occupy much of my time ... maybe you have some other experience where you neighbor's magnet kids got a free ride to Harvard and your's didn't which would be something to complain about ..
Unless you bought into the
Mon, 10/11/2010 - 23:40 — red_balloonUnless you bought into the story that people choose magnets for 'diversity', you have to at least consider the possibility that enriched academics do something for the kids. The mileage may vary but the opportunities exist to do better. Check Massengill's strategy to understand that non-magnets are positioned to be inferior to magnets in WCPSS.
I agree that magnets are
Tue, 10/12/2010 - 07:53 — user12345I agree that magnets are suppose to have some enriched academics. I am just saying that, for me, it is not big enough deal to drive across town. I am grateful to those who do so and make the schools less crowded .... personally, talking to magnet folks, it seemed what they like was associating with other kids and families who were academically oriented ... driving across town separated the real academic kids from the posers. ... also, long ago when my kids were in school, it seemed the magnet folks were just trying to avoid the "growth driven" reassignment that brought eight new schools to our area ... that was before we knew that ending diversity would make the eight new school go away.
Compare
Mon, 10/11/2010 - 21:03 — Solon77Compare the "dumbed" down non magnet schools with say Virginia, New Jersey or other school districts and you will find that our dumbed down schools are very competitive. How would you like to be in Ron's former NJ school district that offers a whopping 8 AP classes.
I am not familiar with
Mon, 10/11/2010 - 23:44 — red_balloonI am not familiar with Margiotta's NJ school district. Does the district have a discrimination system similar to WCPSS' magnet program?
Deflection
Tue, 10/12/2010 - 06:43 — Solon77Yet another deflection - do your research and show that our non magnets schools are dumbed down compared to other districts.
You introduced a peripheral
Tue, 10/12/2010 - 09:13 — red_balloonYou introduced a peripheral issue i.e., comparison to other districts when we are talking about magnet and non-magnet schools in WCPSS.
As for the issue at hand, please read up on WCPSS' magnet strategy. It was formulated by Massengill and tells you that non-magnets are dumbed down compared to magnets. And since my kid and your kid attend schools in WCPSS, it seems apt to compare the resources the system expends on each of them (which is the crux of the matter).
I disagree with your term
Tue, 10/12/2010 - 10:08 — user12345I disagree with your term "dumbed down" which infers it is less than average .... I going to assume you went to a good college but not Harvard .... do you feel the college you attended was "dumbed down" for you? Or is Harvard offering more than the average state school?
I believe all public schools are average (Wake: above average schools at below average cost) ... they all teach the same curricula, to the same schedule using the same book with the same state employees teaching .... now if we want people to move their kids from an over crowded school to a under crowded school we need to entice them with something (you are familiar with being bumped on an airline?).... especially when we are asking them to send their kids a long way to high crime areas. Personally, I think for the extra music class, locational language class it is well worth getting them out of those overcrowded school. We are about to ask for $1B in bonds and the first question that will be asked are all the school filled before anyone spends anything to build a new school.
I am sure there is
Sat, 10/09/2010 - 09:20 — user12345I am sure there is "something" "somewhere" that does what you say some place in the world ... with enough resources and attention anything can work .... my point is that we encumber public schools with transportation, food, poor kids, Special Ed kids, ball field, parking lots, and tons of paper work for central office, and NCDOE and you want them to go head to head with an organization that does not have these .... it is like putting a millstone around the public schools neck and wondering why it is so slow ... I am saying if you want a charter school than simply take a public school and get rid of the transportation, food, poor kids, special ed kids, homeless kids, limited English kids, certifications / licensure, and paperwork and you have a charter school.
So...
Sat, 10/09/2010 - 10:01 — Bob_SconceThere are two impediments to good NC charters that target poor students: (1) the charter cap -- if the cap were lifted, you would see far more charters, including ones aimed at poor students; and (2) the state's policy of pulling the charters of schools whose performance doesn't measure up to a standard set by schools that don't have a lot of poor students. (There was a Raleigh school whose charter was pulled in the last year or two for this very reason -- don't recall the name.)
I find the complaint about "millstones" odd. There's not a race -- the point behind charter schools is to allow schools to meet the needs of different subsets of students. If parents want transportation and food, they can choose the public school system. If they don't find much value in those things, but do find value in, say, the Direct Instruction method of teaching, then they can choose a charter school that does Direct Instruction. You could also say that Wake County doesn't have the 'millstones' of having to use Direct Instruction (Franklin Academy), or of having to accommodate the schedules of student involved in competitive extracurricular training (Quest Academy).
SPARC
Sat, 10/09/2010 - 15:03 — bluedaisySPARC Academy
Bob, charter survival
Sat, 10/09/2010 - 11:36 — user12345Bob, charter survival depends on performance to the State and parents ... smart, novitiate kids are the jewel ... low maintenance and near guaranteed success. So, any student (poor, special ed, LE, etc.) is encumbrance (millstone) to those organizations who want to be successful and continue to get funding. The fact that any kids can be randomly dumped on any public schools door and they have to take and educate them is a very difficult model to make work. Until I see an example of a random selection of kids given to a charter school like are given to a public school, I will think any charter school success is just due to selection.
Well...
Sat, 10/09/2010 - 12:39 — Bob_SconceI would suggest that selection *is* success. When a parent chooses a charter school for a child, it is because the parent believes that child will be better served by that charter school. It is a net gain for the family. With a few exceedingly rare exceptions**, we are better off by having a variety of alternatives.
Individual charters are not intended to work with all kids. They offer something the public schools have difficulty with -- specialization.
That said, I would certainly support modifying the charter funding formula so that charters get additional funds for kids who are harder to teach. That would encourage more charters targetted to those kids. That, I suspect, is why we don't see charter schools for autistic kids, for example, even though Wake County has enough such children for that sort of charter to be successful.
(**the rare exceptions are where there are high fixed costs, low marginal costs and little difference in quality. For example, it'd make no sense to have two competing water systems. Schools do not fall into this category.)
With the statewide cap on
Sat, 10/09/2010 - 02:53 — red_balloonWith the statewide cap on the number of charter schools, do you see much by way of an incentive to compete?
Until last week you had the
Sat, 10/09/2010 - 09:22 — user12345Until last week you had the authority 5-4 to make what ever happen you wanted but didn't ... if you wanted competition, your team could have made that happen in the last year of operation ...
you couldn't be more wrong,
Sat, 10/09/2010 - 09:25 — AngelaWyou couldn't be more wrong, the BoE has NO control over the charter cap....
User1-5 is so totally
Sat, 10/09/2010 - 10:20 — red_balloonUser1-5 is so totally seduced by the potency of the 5-4 vote that he will now get the charter cap lifted regardless of it being a state level issue.
"than create them now instead of blaming some cap"
Fri, 10/08/2010 - 16:07 — AngelaWyou simply can't be that moronic.
New ad
Thu, 10/07/2010 - 19:50 — shank56Big assignment meeting next week it appears
Ms. Goldman could be a bit
Thu, 10/07/2010 - 15:35 — wireless200Ms. Goldman could be a bit flaky at times but it looks like she's the only board member who kept her common sense. What were Tedesco and Co. thinking?
That they could go from a situation where a small percentage of students could be bused all over Wake County to a scenario where students weren't force-bused but had no assigned base school and no certainty of an assigned school? Which is worse... depends on how one plays the odds. I'd suggest forced-busing was better because the chances were low your kid would be involuntarily bused but if he was you'd have little choice but to go private.
I think Tedesco, et. al. finally became muddled and tried to satisfy everyone but ultimately annoyed many including his own base. He was thinking he could come up with this sophisticated, complicated plan by a Ph.D. consultant and somehow that it would work. Come on, let's be real, forget it, no way that was going to work from an implementation standpoint.
They should have stuck to their guns, did away with forced busing, and grandfathered students and siblings at neighborhood schools and realized that with growth there would be changes in assignments, i.e., moving the lines. They would have overlap between grandfathered and new assignments but they would plan to have some bus routes that overlap. That could most likely be easily paid for by the savings from forced-busing.
They just lost their way. Tedesco with his good intentions and attempting to satisfy all the agitators, was way out of his depth. He didn't need to be but he didn't level with himself. His reach exceeded his grasp.
Let's hope Ms. Goldman can get the common-sense majority re-tethered to planet earth. I think Ron has probably backed off and chosen not to run since John became more dominant in things. Unfortunately John jumped the shark when he lost his head at the meeting. His credibility is diminished. I hope Ron steps back up, corrals John, works with Debra and gets some fuel back into their engine.
...
Thu, 10/07/2010 - 16:03 — Sideburns"I'd suggest forced-busing was better because the chances were low your kid would be involuntarily bused but if he was you'd have little choice but to go private."
Better? Better for who? Those being forcibly bused under the old student assignment policy couldn't choose private school. Let's be honest -- many of us can't afford that route.
The fact that Ms. Goldman believes she can simply "fix what's not working" proves that she has no idea how to tackle this problem. I can't wait to hear what her suggestions are.
DOJ
Thu, 10/07/2010 - 12:54 — sam123456So does this mean that all of the silly lawsuits and DOJ investigations will now cease. Does it mean that Rev. Barber will go home now?
I would hope not. Those were
Thu, 10/07/2010 - 18:33 — Andrew95I would hope not. Those were in the works before all this "lottery for schools" stuff went down. Everyone should still be concerned about how the assignment policy will affect student diversity.
Do you have an answer yet on
Thu, 10/07/2010 - 19:27 — woodstockDo you have an answer yet on what diversity should mean and how it should be achieved?
At best, a racially and
Fri, 10/08/2010 - 07:26 — Andrew95At best, a racially and socioeconomically homogeneous mix. That should be the absolute objective, but that's kinda like eliminating poverty. You're never going to have 0.00% poverty, but it doesn't mean that it's not worth trying. I think the zone model that accounts for %F&R, and has multiple magnets with different styles within each zone. Not just arts or math, but also engineering, computer tech, community college credits, etc. to get the inner city to bus out and the OTB to bus in.
What is the value --
Fri, 10/08/2010 - 08:12 — woodstockThe zone assignment model ain't gonna happen, Goldman just squashed that idea and is going to replace it with... no one knows, not even her.
Here are some questios for you:
What is the value -- academic or otherwise -- of homogeneousness? (Sounds a little like the goal of some oppressive regime like North Korea.)
So do you feel a student's capabilities are defiend by their skin color and family income?
How do lower income families -- with limited means and transportation options -- who have their children bused outside their communities actively engage in their child's schools?
How do kids bused out of their communities participate in helpful academic-based afterschool programs?
Will the special schools you describe be a choice and be available in a equitable manner to all students or just select privileged students as Magnet schools currently are? If not, where is the equity in that?
You asked what I thought, so
Fri, 10/08/2010 - 19:04 — Andrew95You asked what I thought, so I told you. I think you already know what I would respond, so I'm not going to bother.