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Talking about the large numbers of Eastern Wake students leaving to go to magnet schools

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Wake County school system data gives more weight to the complaints made by Eastern Wake parents that too many of the region's children are leaving for magnet schools. 

This handout from the Sept. 11 school board facilities committee meeting shows that the district's Eastern planning area, which includes Eastern Wake, had the highest percentage of magnet application students among the eight planning regions. 

“If you look at the number of students that move out of the Eastern area to other regions at all three school levels, it’s quite telling," said Christine Lighthall, a Wake senior facilities planner. "It’s quite significant. It’s the highest number you’ll see of any of these regions.”

The Eastern planning region isn't just Eastern Wake. It also includes some parts of Northeast Raleigh and Southeast Raleigh.

I'll try to give a brief explanation of the document.

Let's for example, look at the elementary school section showing there were 11,265 magnet and base students at magnet schools last school year. Of that group, 6,189 were magnet application students and 22 percent of them were from the Eastern planning region — more than any of the other regions.

The Eastern planning region also had pluralities in the middle school and high school levels. Of the 3,710 middle school magnet application students, 20.5 percent were from the Eastern area. 

Of the 3,308 high school magnet application students, 30.9 percent were from the Eastern area.

Eastern Wake parents have recently escalated their complaints that they feel the region isn't getting enough support from the school district. One of the complaints is that the limited number of magnet offerings in their area means families are going to magnets in other communities.

School board member Jim Martin acknowledged the concern at the facilities meeting but said he can't support denying Eastern Wake students admission into magnet schools.

“We’ve listened to and need to continue to listen to the Eastern Wake County folks because there’s a reason that people are moving out of Eastern Wake County," Martin said. "We can’t just force kids to go to schools and say, ‘No, you may not go to magnet school."

I think we first have to first create programs to make sure that it’s attractive so that people will do that. This is where we’ve got a lot of conversations that need to interface to make effective decisions because I can’t sit here and even capacitywise, [say] “Yep we can take care of that. Eastern Wake County has no access to magnet schools.’ No way do I support that. Not at all.”

Lighthall and Chief Transformation Officer Judy Peppler said the large number of students from the Eastern planning region going to magnets poses some issues for the district as they plan for the next bond issue.

Peppler said the mapping program for new school sites, unless they adjust it, makes it look like they don't need seats in downtown Raleigh because it assumes all the proximity students can go there when in fact a lot of seats are used by the magnet students.

Lighthall said it also impacts how many seats are projected to be needed in  the other planning areas.

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OT: FOIA violation by WCPSS

I filed an act request for the proposed assignment maps on Tuesday, and was told repeatedly by senior staff that they didn't have maps to show. Laura Evans just referenced the live maps in the board work session, so the maps both exist and are available online. Why are these not public? Keung, can you get a valid link? Laura Evans has maps that compare proposed base to historical base, and these should be public. They are not in the hard copy handouts with the meeting. Shame on WCPSS!

Here is a link to the proposed assignment maps...

https://www.dropbox (dot) com/sh/9zcdebi9yb0mx37/IFG1Xj2gfj

 

Mulder just released a better link-

http://wwwgis2.wcpss (dot) net/pdf_plan/

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http://wwwgis2.wcpss.net/pdf_plan/

Why

Do these maps still have vestiges of the diversity policy all over them?  Bizarre.

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So, I think the first set of maps titled "School Maps with 2011 Base Attendance Areas" are the old assignment nodes from 2011 assignments - outlined in blue - with the new assignment areas highlighted in yellow to show the differences. The set of maps labeled just "School Maps" are the proposed assignment areas for the 2013-14 plan.

Aahhh...

Much better, but there are still some bizarrities.  Look at the map for Wakefield ES -- what's up with the yellow section right at the bottom of the page, about 6 miles from every other part of the school's assignment?

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That must be the student achievement balance. Remember, not everyone is deserving of proximity and stability.

Apex High?

Any idea why the high school set doesn't include Apex?

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I asked. They assume it's an oversight and are looking into it. Apex MS is missing too.

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WRAL is streaming the work session. Jim Martin is in his glory.

Quote...

"we are planning on leaving the magnets untouched"......of course.....nothing like the previous plan.....oh wait....never mind!

Great Points About Eastern Wake Needs

For the record - I live in West Cary - and I completely understand the issues Eastern Wake is speaking out about.  Smart Boards, iPads, etc....are typically purchased with PTA money raised by the PTA via fundraisers the parents participate in.  If Eastern Wake schools do not have the PTA/parent support to raise money, then they are not going to be able to purchase additional technology for their school.  

If Eastern Wake felt their schools were balanced and up to par w/other parts of the county, such a huge percentage of them would not be leaving for the magnets.  WCPSS cannot leave it up to the PTA to make a school attractive enough to keep the residents there.  They need extra funding and programs - perhaps if so much money had not been spent on Leadership Academies, it could have been used to balance out the Easterm Wake schools that clearly need something to make them a place people want to be at - not avoid.

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So, you fought against the new choice plan and are now assigned to Davis Drive Middle, just like you wanted. Which neighborhoods have been reassigned elsewhere? Any idea?

The problems in Eastern Wake

The problems in Eastern Wake go far beyond PTA funds. I have met 2 families whose children couldn't take more than 2 years of a foreign language in High School because the 3rd year always conflicted with when an AP class was offered. They don't have multiple sections of AP classes like other high schools do.

This has nothing to do with the Leadership Academies. (Maybe if we weren't funding magnet schools in Five Points or a private IB program at Broughton we could give that money to Eastern Wake) Schools in Eastern Wake have been underserved for years and the Burns admin did nothing about it. The fact that the Knightdale 100 even had to be formed speaks volumes about the treatment they've gotten (or not gotten) from WCPSS over the years. Heck, way back when Joe Bryan was mayor of Knightdale he started a similar organization. This goes back years and has nothing to do with Tata.

Go to the Eastern Part

of the county and you'll see things that are so unfair.  Students in the other Wake ride new air conditioned buses while students in Eastern Wake ride buses that are over 10 years old.  Students in the other Wake have classrooms with Smartboards while students in Eastern Wake have classrooms with Chalkboards. Very Sad!

So....

I think my kid's elementary school has a single smartboard that was paid for by the PTA.  It does have white boards, and I think that should be the standard in every school.  Which schools have chalkboards?

Personally, I don't think that a smartboard is very important -- it's a shiny gadget that doesn't really seem to add much to education.  Frankly, I think the money would be better spent on books in the school library.

Yeah, I don't see the big

Yeah, I don't see the big deal with iPads and smartboards. I'd rather my kid actually have a textbook to take home than an iPad cart. We had to buy a Spanish textbook last year because there weren't enough for him to even check one out for a week. No Geometry text either but luckily my son was able to get by without one.

iPads do..

help with kids that are behind - especially in language arts. I heard the PTA at Ligon bought iPads for 6th and 7th grades and that they helped.

They help in science too.

It's amazing what you can SEE on an ipad that makes the principles come alive. They also helped drill math for my first grader last year. I was skeptical until his teacher sent hope a list of apps they use and I saw him choose to drill rather than play Angry Birds. I'm now a believer!

You would be surprised then...

how many schools in north/northwest Raleigh do not have smartboards or other newer technology. The schools my children attended/attend are not equipped with anything but the basics. It is not only a problem in Eastern Wake.

Give to the...

PTA then. What are you complaining about?

Wonder why the Early Colleges were left out?

Be curious to see what the percentages were for the four early college HSs?  I have been looking just to see how many applied verse got in.  It would be interesting to see the breakdown of applicants locations as well.

Nothing New

Here is the discussion from 2009. 

http://blogs.newsobserver.com/wakeed/wake-to-develop-magnet-school-policy

You will have to paste this in the address line since links are not allowed, even to their own site.

 Notice the solution to improve the east wake schools is the same and nothing has been done since then to actually add a true magnet type incentive.   STEM and ROTC will not keep the magnet students. 

I think it's an important

I think it's an important point to bring up because for many years now people have assumed that there aren't enough kids to fill all the schools downtown. I think we need to know what the situation really is and then move from there. Especially if we are talking about not busing kids as far away from as we had been.

Sounds a bit...

disingenuous to me.

"Peppler said the mapping program for new school sites, unless they adjust it, makes it look like they don't need seats in downtown Raleigh because it assumes all the proximity students can go there when in fact a lot of seats are used by the magnet students."

Why would they not adjust it? If they did, then why is this discussion taking place?

Thank you Dr. Martin. I

Thank you Dr. Martin. I disagree with him on other things but on this I am in 100% agreement.

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