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Talking about the large numbers of Eastern Wake students leaving to go to magnet schools

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Wake County school system data gives more weight to the complaints made by Eastern Wake parents that too many of the region's children are leaving for magnet schools. 

This handout from the Sept. 11 school board facilities committee meeting shows that the district's Eastern planning area, which includes Eastern Wake, had the highest percentage of magnet application students among the eight planning regions. 

“If you look at the number of students that move out of the Eastern area to other regions at all three school levels, it’s quite telling," said Christine Lighthall, a Wake senior facilities planner. "It’s quite significant. It’s the highest number you’ll see of any of these regions.”

The Eastern planning region isn't just Eastern Wake. It also includes some parts of Northeast Raleigh and Southeast Raleigh.

I'll try to give a brief explanation of the document.

Let's for example, look at the elementary school section showing there were 11,265 magnet and base students at magnet schools last school year. Of that group, 6,189 were magnet application students and 22 percent of them were from the Eastern planning region — more than any of the other regions.

The Eastern planning region also had pluralities in the middle school and high school levels. Of the 3,710 middle school magnet application students, 20.5 percent were from the Eastern area. 

Of the 3,308 high school magnet application students, 30.9 percent were from the Eastern area.

Eastern Wake parents have recently escalated their complaints that they feel the region isn't getting enough support from the school district. One of the complaints is that the limited number of magnet offerings in their area means families are going to magnets in other communities.

School board member Jim Martin acknowledged the concern at the facilities meeting but said he can't support denying Eastern Wake students admission into magnet schools.

“We’ve listened to and need to continue to listen to the Eastern Wake County folks because there’s a reason that people are moving out of Eastern Wake County," Martin said. "We can’t just force kids to go to schools and say, ‘No, you may not go to magnet school."

I think we first have to first create programs to make sure that it’s attractive so that people will do that. This is where we’ve got a lot of conversations that need to interface to make effective decisions because I can’t sit here and even capacitywise, [say] “Yep we can take care of that. Eastern Wake County has no access to magnet schools.’ No way do I support that. Not at all.”

Lighthall and Chief Transformation Officer Judy Peppler said the large number of students from the Eastern planning region going to magnets poses some issues for the district as they plan for the next bond issue.

Peppler said the mapping program for new school sites, unless they adjust it, makes it look like they don't need seats in downtown Raleigh because it assumes all the proximity students can go there when in fact a lot of seats are used by the magnet students.

Lighthall said it also impacts how many seats are projected to be needed in  the other planning areas.

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Keung, Any chance you're

Keung,

Any chance you're going to get some comments from the Mayor of Raleigh or any of the other mayors and the leaders of the Dem party so we can get their official stance on record. I know there were some non-statements placed in LTEs over the weekend but I think we all deserve to have them answer some real questions like, do you support the firing of Sup. Tata, yes or no; or perhaps do you support the new direction of the school BOE abandoning school choice?

It's been a week and its beginning to seem as if you are perfectly willing to just give them all a pass. If they are just not willing to make a comment to you...fine, just tell us that as it would speak volumes as well.

Isn't he on vacation?

Isn't he on vacation?

Again?

Wow.

He just posed a blog about

He just posed a blog about the CC, so I guess not.

No....

He pre-wrote all those things and scheduled them to show up.  

So...were you just guessing?

So...were you just guessing?

He pre-wrote them when? 

He pre-wrote them when?  Last week?

Are you saying he's on vacation this week, last week or both?

I asked him last week (Tues) if he was going to seek out comment from the Mayor of Raleigh and/or Democratic leadership.  It hasn't happed so I'm guess the answer is no.

Yeah, we're probably not going to get that story

That message is probably being controlled by GSIW too.

In a previous blog entry, Mr Hui said we would be returning

on Monday, today. 

In the future, all bloggers should require Mr. Hui to contact us, individually, before he makes vacation plans, to ensure all of our requests are completed before he takes time off.  I'm sure he has nothing else better to do with his free time.

More power to him, but Keung

More power to him, but Keung takes more vacation that Obama.

Nobody takes more vacations...

than our current president.

Actaully, George W. Bush

Actaully, George W. Bush took far more vacations than Obama in his first term.

Eh...

The whole thing is stupid.  The President never actually gets a true vacation; he just changes locations to a nicer spot.

...

You remind me of my son. Every conversation turns into something about "Family Guy".

Considering the state of the N&O, maybe his time off isn't optional.

What, you don't like my

What, you don't like my multi-pronged digs? 

Now, that you've made your

Now, that you've made your point (which I acknowledge is a good one), I'm wondering why seeking out comment from the Mayor of Raleigh (the largest city affected by the BOE's decision) and the Democratic leadership (who put this people in this position) wouldn't come automatically?  Why would it need to be requested?  Am I the only person who want's to hear those individuals stake out their position?

I'm sorry but given the non-statements made by the WEP last week and Perry Woods and the Mack Paul in LTEs over the weekend, I can't help but get the impression these guys are just hoping to ride this storm out deep down in the bowels of the ship.  If someone from the media doesn't seek them out and pin them down with specific questions, they're certainly not going to make their positions known.

Agreed.  I would like it

Agreed.  I would like it even better if he would seek our approval to take time off before hand as well.

Here we all go

Here we all go again.....squabbling over the maps and nonsensical assignment patterns again. Why? Because there remains no logical assignment policy (such as proximity) in place that everyone can understand and the community can buy in to. So the BOE will set up some illogical "guiding principal" such as "acheivement" or "healthy schools" which cannot be defined or measured and we'll all spend the next 10 years arguing about little details that effect some segment this year and somebody else next year. Of course, that's what they want because that keeps us all from noticing that the ED students continue to be failed and the magnet parents continue to get whatever they want.

So sad. When are you people going to wake up and stop arguing over the scraps these people keep throwing you?

Apparently Wake County Residents enjoy struggle

chaos and uncertainty.  You are correct.  This county will spend the next decade reeling from the whoopin' The Martin & Evans Show is about to put on them.

With ring leader Kevin, "i'm not a leader, but i stayed at a Holiday Inn Express" Hill  guiding all the play by play of educational and community destruction.

Oh, and some guy no one has ever heard of named Gainey.  I hear he'll have a role as well.

Wonder whose board seat Yvonne will be appointed to?

Bite your tongue!

Wonder whose board seat Yvonne will be appointed to?

Oh, sweet Jesus I can't believe those words even passed through your fingertips. God help us if Brannon (or Bader or Patty Williams) were ever to be appointed to a board seat.  I was going to say that I can't believe the Dems would be that idiotic but I guess after Tata's ousting anything is possible.

Don't those possibilities depend on where they live?

I would think the person would have to reside in the district of the seat to which they are appointed. Bader's in play for D 9, but pretty sure the other two reside in districts where the seat is already held by a GSIW person. Isn't PW on Evans D 8 BAC? I guess they could always move. One possibility is Rakestraw for D 1. Anyone connected to GSIW living in D 2?

You're right and I realized

You're right and I realized after I wrote it that Williams is lives in one of the Dem districts. I don't know where Brannon lives and I forgot about Rakestraw.

This board majority will find a way around that

little road block.

Nothing will stop them from continuing their destructive march towards that mirage utopia they seek.  They are more than half way there already!

Why would putting Brannon on

Why would putting Brannon on the BOE be any worse that what we have right now? The majority appears to be following her every direction...she might as well be chairman.

It is very possible

and don't forget Anne Sherron Harris. 

She's never far behind and was there again Saturday.  Apparently housing sales aren't keeping her busy enough.  I wonder why?

Daniels Middle--why is the

Daniels Middle--why is the neigborhood around it assigned to Martin?  So weird.  And the Daniels base will come from near Enloe.  

Tata

Might not? Hill might have managed to be more persuasive, even as he dinged Tata for allegedly jumping the gun with release of some new student assignment info and for presiding over a “disastrous” school-year startup that had bus routes all bollixed up. (A subordinate resigned, and to some he looked like a scapegoat.) From N&O Editorial

Myabe the maps were released too fast?  Another Tata mistake.

 

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/09/30/2375902/the-battle-tata-couldnt-win.html#storylink=cpy

Early release

The early release has caused a lot of unnecessary turbulence

The maps have always been

The maps have always been released in draft form and then changed by the board.

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Such as?

Again, what's "too early"? I can't find the definition in the NC Public Records statute.

The Maps Haven't Changed....

since the early release so why was the early release a problem again?  If the board had made any changes yesterday I would agree.  However, it's like it's always been!   Get ready for the red shirts versus the green shirts!

Yeah, Sunshine causes turbulence for politicians.

You must really be bummed with the whole FOIA think, eh?

The maps were released in response to FOIA request.

They are clearly public records and Hill had not choice but to comply with State Law, even though he waited an inappropriately long time (5 days) top comply. And Tata was already gone when I requested them. I think Hill was obstructionist in the matter. "Too early" only applies if you believe the public has no right to know what the Board is looking at regarding our system's assignment.

I thought Haydon was a highly

I thought Haydon was a highly paid and seasoned educational professional with executive-level responsibilities, but you are now saying he was just a lowly subordinate with no accountability in the role he was supposed to play as head of transportation. Interesting.

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What guideline does GSIW use to qualify "transparent"?

What's the definition of "released too fast"? It's public info.

A lot of...

Daniel's student come from 27612. Not downtown.

Look At the Maps...

there is a large percentage of 27612 familes that currently go to Daniels being moved!  

yes!

some of us 27612'ers live less than 5 minutes from Leesville and got moved out to go to Daniels/Broughton  with the 2006-009 assignment plan and that was because we were assigned to Stough for ES when we probably should have been at Hilburn all along which seems to be the school our neighborhood has embraced through the choice plan.

If you are trying to make

If you are trying to make sense of the ridiculous machinations involved in busing for "diversity" you are in for unending frustration.

...

Did you watch the meeting? Towards the end, Sutton suggested maybe they look at "zones" based around high schools. I almost fell out of my chair.

Are you serious? Did he really suggest that?

The person who wrote the "no zones allowed in an assignment plan" directive ending the zone plan that the assignment committee, led by Tedesco, was working on based around high schools is NOW suggesting maybe the BOE/staff should look into that option?

FWIW - I thought that seemed like a valid option from the beginning, especially if it included "type 1 magnet zone" for Enloe/SRHS, which seemed to be where it was going when stopped. But, what's the deal with the "I was against it when it was Tedesco's idea, but now that we're in charge, I think we should consider it"? Will they try to claim that wasn't partisan either?

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https://www.wral.com/news/video/11606010/#/vid11606010

Go to the 2:00:00 mark (2 hour) for Sutton. Scroll back a few minutes for Martin's PTA/historical ties push.

I caught that too. Funny

I caught that too. Funny stuff there.

No, never watched it. I

No, never watched it. I thought I remembered the board working closely with the public and relevant stakeholders to develop a comprehensive plan with community buy-in that they promised would be in effect for at least 3 years. So, I have no idea what this group of partisan and radical operatives are doing.

I watched the meeting, and

I watched the meeting, and Martin suggested that the middle and high school base areas were not good. He asked her to explain how the staff came up with them, and Evans said they tried to use feeder patterns from the choice plan. Martin said he didn't like that areas righ next to some high schools were being sent to other high schools (broughton --> Enloe) and that staff needs to take another look at this.

And it's not just the

And it's not just the downtown schools that have this problem in the maps. If you look at the neighborhoods which can see millbrook high school from their back yards, they are zoned for Sanderson. I don't think this is a bussing for diversity thing. It's a flaw in the maps that they need to fix.

Same in apex area

Lufkin Road Middle is right in the middle of the Apex Middle base area with it's base areas no even adjacent to the school.

Isn't Lufkin's map a reflection of it being YR?

Therefore, it's base area is the sum of the base areas of the YR elementary schools (Oak Grove and Olive Chapel) that feed into Lufkin? Olive Chapel's and Oak Grove's bases are adjacent to those schools, but those schools are not as close to Lufkin as the traditional calendar schools (Penny Rd and Apex ES) and their base areas that feed Apex Middle.

I was wondering that too. I

I was wondering that too. I think I heard them say that's the deal with the nodes around Broughton. They were honoring the feeder patterns from the choice plan. Those nodes are Partnership, Moore Sq. Middle and Southeast Raleigh HS. All three of those schools are modified year round calendar.

Same here

My last one is in HS so we have 3.5 years left. Just out of curiosity I put in my address. Before the choice plan our base schools were: Leadmine, West Millbrooke, Millbrooke.    Now - Baileywick, Carroll, and Sanderson.  Leadmine and Baileywick are the same distance to our node, while Carroll and Sanderson are not.  So it would seem the staff picked an elementary school and it's associated feeder pattern.  

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