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Supporting Leesville Middle's conversion

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Supporters of converting Leesville Road Middle School to a year-round calendar now have a formal group and their own Web site.

The group calls itself BiggerPicture and says it's "a community-based organization that supports common sense solutions that maximize efficiency and educational opportunities for all students."

BiggerPicture is countering Concerned and Committed Leesville Parents (CCLP), which formed its own Web site to oppose converting the middle school.

BiggerPicture argues that the benefits of conversion include:
* Reduces overcrowding
• Increases capacity to handle anticipated growth
* Enhances stability of assignment, resulting in less reassignments
• Simplifies the feeder patterns into LMS
• Increases calendar continuity for the majority of LMS students
• Gives more families the opportunity to have siblings on the same calendar
• Allows classmate continuity from elementary to middle school

The group contends that leaving Leesville Middle on a traditional calendar would mean reassigning "several hundred students from LMS to other schools."

Both BiggerPicture and CCLP are mobilizing parents to attend Monday's community engagement meeting on the draft reassignment plan. The meeting will run from 7 to 9 p.m. in Leesville Road High School's auditorium.

UPDATE

Apparently the web site wasn't completely ready yet. I've been told that they've temporarily put up a password until they've had a chance to double check some information on Friday with Growth Management.

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When Will This Site Be "Live"?

I too am curious about this new website. I did follow the link and found out who the "owner" of the site is. Knowing who she is, I definitely would have expected to hear the usual "WCPSS Justification" that Keung mentioned above. That's OK. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and I don't plan to attack anyone else just because their opinions differ from mine.

As for "countering CCLP..." I am honestly looking forward to seeing how they plan to do that. We continue to move forward in a positive way with new FACTS every day, so it will be interesting to see how they try to dispute our facts. I asked the question to WCPSS, and would ask the same question of anyone else. If our facts are incorrect, SHOW US HOW. Lately, the facts speak for themselves. We are very encouraged about the possibility of keeping LRMS on the traditional calendar by the time this process is complete in February.

Still No Live Website

Wouldn't you think Patti H would have insisted that her lackeys have her (oh I'm sorry I mean their) Bigger Picture website live to coincide with the new reassignment release? Heads are going to roll when she realizes that her faithful supporters have failed her.

Choice

Just some thoughts from someone who is WCPSS battle-hardened, but not caught in the middle of this particular fracas.

What seems to be getting lost here is the idea of CHOICE. For some families, YR works out better. For others, not so well. There has to be a suitable resolution which allows both sides a choice which best suits them.

We all lose when parental groups fight each other. The true culprit is the BoE, who have created this labyrinth of Traditional, MYR, VYR and Modified-YR tracks (which has realized no increase in capacity).

Direct your frustration where it belongs, with the School Board who has created the problem. And, next Fall, spend some time volunteering for School Board candidates you believe will restore order and sanity in WCPSS.

One sided fight

Make no mistake, 1 Campus 1 Calendar came onto the scene with a quest for family togetherness and community utity.  There was never negativity toward any other person or group.  (parents, WCPSS or otherwise) The newly exposed & self proclaimed big picture posse(OK prove it) started their attacks here and now gets the chance to show what they are made of.  Yes it will be interesting to see those ducks in a row.

 

Differences of Opinion Not Welcome

The problem with the 1Campus1Calendar people is that they vehemently refuse to engage in a needed discussion with the other side. Their tactics include belittling, name calling, crying if it looks like they won't get their way, and other juvenile behavior. I will say that, with the exception of having a blind faith that refuses to admit the other side might have valid points, Lisa B is exempt from the worst of the bunch. She seems to be a decent, hard-working person whose work I admire, even if I don't side with her. But many of the rest of the folks on this blog in particular go full throttle on the insults as soon as the opposing forces rear their heads. And there are many of us, and we are organized now now, and we have our ducks in a row, just like you.

Let's Discuss Soon

Hi NCParent:

I would like nothing more than "to engage in needed discussion with you" so PLEASE contact me offline.  I'm guessing that we might already know each other???

We can all grow and learn from opposing views.  Most of the time, what I've found is that once we begin an open discussion we realize that we're actually not so far off.  If nothing else, we will probably see that we have much more in common than not.   I do have several friends who are pro-YR, and that does not stop us from keeping our friendship.    I believe it all has to do with respecting the other PERSON and not dwelling on our differences.

I've spent over 3 years HEAVILY entrenched in school assignment issues.  If I didn't believe so strongly in what I'm doing, I wouldn't be doing it.  I sure wouldn't be using my real name if I was saying or doing anything that wasn't honest and ABOVE BOARD.  The last thing I would want is to have my words and actions reflect negatively on my kids.  They understand that I have very respectful relationships with the School Board members, and the fact that I disagree so strongly with a POLICY doesn't mean I am fighting people.   I just want to make a situation "better" for our family and so many others who feel the same way.  I have seen such negative changes in our community that I want the "old unity" back.  Maybe that's expecting too much, but I'll still try.

As I have said many times these past 2 weeks, I WANT TO BE "JUST A MOM" AGAIN.  Considering our "uphill battle" I don't expect that to happen anytime soon.

The title of your post is revealing...

Starting from the title of your post, NCParent, you're not exactly tolerant of the other side.  Does the name "Critical Friend" man anything to you? 

I don't accuse the board of name calling, but multiple members of the school board do belittle parents with legitimate concerns about MYR and forced bussing.  Friends of Wake County accused parents (who wanted all of their children to be on the same calendar) of being frivolous, rich people unconcerned with the needs of the poor minorities. 

I firmly believe that forced bussing is hurting minority kids, but I've been accused of being anti-diversity.

Spare me. 

 

 

We would be who?

NCParent you claim to be *we* so perhaps you can let us know who you really are?  If your ducks are in a row, where are they hidden?  Like many, I am curious to see the real names behind this supposed organized group.  Which BoE members are on your side?

Hard to hide on the internet

Families_First -

I know who one of the "we" is.....and I don't attend or live even remotely close to Leesville. It wasn't too hard to figure out. Websites reveal alot. I'm not sure if she is NCParent but she must be one of their ducks. 

 

Do Tell

Public record Sideburns?  Do tell.  Will this person stand behind his or her convictions like Lisa B does or hide like the rest?  Come out anonymous blog attacker and face the music.

Oh, Come Now, Families First!

I've been down this road before on this blog, and threats and triple dog dares will not make me reveal my identity on here.  I'd have to be ten kinds of a fool to do such a thing.  It's not like this is a forum where compassion and intelligence reign supreme all the time.  I mean, why aren't you posting under your real name, for heaven's sake.  You first, and then maybe I'll consider it (but probably not).

I seriously doubt it

Go ahead and post the name you claim to have tracked down, Sideburns.  I'll bet you won't, because I think you're lying, but let's see if you'll cowboy up and show you're not "all hat, no cattle".

owned

If we're talkin' cowboy, NCParent, keep this in mind:

Sometimes you get, sometimes you get got. 

Yee haw

Cowboy up? All hat and no cattle? That's cute.

www.whois.net

 

 

ah, thanks sideburns! 

ah, thanks sideburns!  really is who I was thinking of.... 

One wonders, don't they, if one is so convinced of their own convictions then why won't they "pony up" (keeping with the apparent cowboy theme here)....for all those who disparage Lisa B., whether you agree with her or not she's always been up front about who she is, right?

if one is equally convinced of their facts, why not come out? 

Don't cry, cowboy, there's enough marshmallows for the campfire

This is hysterical.  Whois has been around forever.  I'm not sure who you're claiming to have "tracked down", or what you think you can glean from the site, but whatever.

I remain anonymous on this blog.

yeah

yeah whatever...anyhoo

Question, let's engage in coversation about WCPSS ( and this is NOT facetiously asked)...obviously you feel YR is needed for....what?  growth? 

Do you think that WCPSS is too big and should be split into smaller districts?

Diversity policy?  agree with?  think it is working?  what about inequalities amongst schools, i.e very high F&R% vs. very low?

in other words any of the other "big" topics that surround WCPSS.

Speaking of lawsuit....

The WakeCARES lawsuit against WCPSS has been scheduled to be heard Dec. 16th by the NC Supreme Court.

http://www.aoc.state.nc.us/www/public/sc/dsheets/230-08-1.htm

If you value choice in education (even those that agree with YR conversions should want that), please support WakeCARES.

Question

Does anyone know if WakeCares will ask for an extension because they lost their lead attorney to the election?

Answer

VOR,

Bob Hunter is still arguing the case. His new role as Court of Appeals judge isn't until Jan 09. www.wakecares.com

 

How...

is there something else I can do to show support at this time?  Will new evidence be introduced at this hearing?

I will send letters or call - please tell me what to do so I can show support for choice!

Support

JSB --

Financial support is probably the most important piece now that the case is in front of the NC Supreme Court. This is our last chance in maintaining choice in education in Wake County.

I hope everyone affected by the reassignment plan being released tomorow understands that. I heard almost 10,000 students are in the plan -- and, once again, WCPSS has shown no regard to calendar needs in assignment.

 

Ok, got it

Thanks... I am headed to the website now.

In addition to the proposal

In addition to the proposal for Leesville Middle to go to a year round calendar next year,
there will be two new high schools opening in 2010, in the Northeast section of Raleigh.
To fill these schools, a re-districting of students will take place, and there is a domino
effect across the county. It will have a large impact on LHS and many high schools in
North Raleigh. Furthermore, this domino effect can extend down to the middle and
elementary schools as well, but on a less significant level. It is also important to note that
the high school reassignment plan was based on Leesville Middle converting to a year
round calendar.

Converting Leesville Road

Converting Leesville Road Middle School DENIES CALENDAR CONTINUITY to families attending the Leesville Schools.

• Currently, only 56.1% of the elementary students assigned to LRMS come from year-round elementary schools.

• Calendar continuity is denied to the other 43.9% of elementary feeder students coming from traditional schools.

• Calendar continuity is denied to all of the students who specifically needed calendar continuity and chose to opt-out of MYR schools by transferring to traditional schools (designated traditional option, magnet, or private)

• Calendar continuity is denied to 100% of the Leesville High School families with younger siblings

• Calendar continuity is denied to 100% of the Leesville High School staff members with children attending LRMS and LES, as well as all of the LES and LRMS staff members with High School children. (These are your employees)

Think about it…

Does it really make sense to DENY CALENDAR CONTINUITY to the majority of the Leesville community by forcing a MYR conversion on LRMS that is being done against WCPSS conversion criteria?

Thank you.

Great facts AngelaW.  No denying WCPSS they will be denying calendar continuity to a majority if they choose to convert LRMS.  All of your facts support keeping Leesville Midd on the traditional calendar.  Thank you for making us aware of the hidden truths.

Until the court ruling is in

BoE and WCPSS will continue to push YR until the court ruling is in on MYR. They still ASSUME they will win. If they don't, I believe they will be forced to face reality. [Sarcasm on] OK reality never is a driving factor in their brand of social engineering.

Here are some tidbits from

Here are some tidbits from their website (before it was password locked):

What WCPSS’s Draft Proposal Recommends:

WCPSS’s Growth and Planning Department has proposed converting LMS to a year-round calendar beginning with the 2009/2010 school year. This change was first proposed for the 07/08 school year but delayed because of feeder patterns at the time didn’t support it. WCPSS has also proposed changes that simplify LMS feeder patterns and provide a more logical progression from elementary to middle school. Sycamore Creek Elementary’s opening this year has affected the feeder numbers. Under the proposed plan, 70% of the students starting 6th grade will come from year-round schools.

Current Situation

LMS
is severely overcrowded.  The brick-and-mortar capacity of the building
is 799 --  the number of students the cafeteria, bathrooms, media
center, hallways and parking lot were built to accommodate.  Currently
1,281 students attend LMS (WCPSS, Day 20 Census).  LMS uses portable
classrooms (trailers) to accommodate the additional students.  Portable
classrooms were meant to be a temporary fix in situations where growth
outstripped classroom space.  Operating LMS on a year-round calendar
could eliminate the need for eight of the existing portable classrooms.

If LMS remains on a traditional calendar

The
alternative to LMS’s year-round conversion would be to reassign several
hundred students from LMS to other schools – most likely, Carroll, West
Millbrook and possibly Durant Road middle schools -- all of which are
significantly farther away than LMS.  WCPSS does not have the funding
to build another middle school in our area now and, given the current
economy, a construction bond referendum in the near future is
unlikely.  The soonest we could expect a new school to open in the
Leesville area would be 2013 – and it is yet to be determined if that
school would serve middle school students.  In addition, since
Leesville High School is severely overcrowded, a nearby 9th grade
center has also been proposed (C. Dulaney, presentation to District 7
BAC, October 2008).

*Please
note that, regardless which option is pursued, 50 students will be
reassigned to clean up feeder patterns.  Bigger Picture supports
allowing these children to grandfather at LMS until they complete
middle school.

Now isn't that generous of

Now isn't that generous of WCPSS a.k.a. Bigger Picture.  They support allowing children to grandfather at LMS?  All MS students can stay when their nodes are reassigned.  That is already the current grandfathering policy.  Just how is that being supportive?  As long as the Bigger Picture families remain unaffected they will tow the WCPSS line.  Amazing.

Go Sideburns! isn't it

Go Sideburns!

isn't it ironic then this data?

Leesville Middle School is NOT listed as one of the more crowded schools. (at the bottom of the list)

FYI - The Leesville schools are in District 7
According to WCPSS's 2007-08 data the following elementary schools are the most crowded (now that does not mean that their classrooms are necessarily crowded):
1. Hunter 129.9% overcrowding District 4
2. Bugg 129.4 % overcrowding District 4
3. Underwood 128.9% overcrowding District 5
4. Kingwood 120.8% District 9
5. Cary Elementary 120.6% District 9
6. Lincoln Heights 119.7% District 2
7. Durant Road 118.5% District 3 YR
8. North Ridge 117.1% District 3
9. Olds 116.4% District 5
10. Forest Pines 116.1% District 3 YR

The top three are ITB magnet schools. 40% of the schools are magnets.

None are schools forced to become Mandatory Year Round Schools.

All but 2 (80%) of the schools are located in the city areas of Raleigh or Cary.

Now for the Middle Schools:

East Garner 124.1%
Dillard Dr. 121.1%
West Cary 113.5%
Davis Dr. 111.6%
Heritage 111.3%

(LRMS is not on this list)

The Cary schools that are

The Cary schools that are overcrowded are traditional.  F&R kids who had their base moved to a MYR opted out of their base and were put into one of these Traditional schools.   Let’s take West Cary MS and East Cary MS.  West Cary is filled to the seams. There are so many kids behavior issues are popping up and kids are not getting the education they deserve. Do not blame the Teachers, its imposable to do a great job teaching when you have 30 to 40 pre teens in a class.  East Cary which reopened as MYR is an oasis because there are such small classes. A lot of the F&R base opted out so classes are so small that elective classes have ten or less kids in the class.    MYR was started to force diversity and help overcrowding instead it has increased the overcrowding at some schools and made others ghost towns.  The F&R population that was supposes to benefit from MYR instead are going to over crowed schools that are barely holding it together.  I think the BOE has to see the MYR plan as a failure and figure out a new plan. OF course instead of seeing their mistakes the BOE is converting more schools to MYR. For the kids benefit please see that MYR is a failure and try something else!!!!

Now This Should Be Interesting

Big picture who? Sounds narrow minded to me. What do you want to bet this group only has elementary school children? What do you want to bet they will be assigned out of Leesville Elem if that school wins the MYR reversal lottery? Let the party begin. Pass the popcorn please.

Secret Society

Who will claim this gem? Anyone? I would venture to guess that the low-class bloggers who anonymously attacked Lisa B have put together this website for more lies. Very interesting indeed.

The true bigger picture involves the future and everyone. Need we clue them in as to just what bigger picture means? Could this group just be interested in protecting their personal interests?

Why is a password needed for access? Hmmmm. Inquiring minds want to know.

It seems that when one of

It seems that when one of the parents told me about the site today that it wasn't 100 percent ready. They slapped the password on it until they had a chance to go over some of the information on Friday with Growth Management. They plan to lift the password requirement soon so that anyone can access the site.

The password is new...

there was no password required even an hour ago.  Not sure. 

It seems you can subscribe to a mail list for more info - but I'd want to know who I am giving my information to - there are no names at all on this site. 

 

Short Lived

Whew, that was short lived.  No one will claim ownership or involvement.  What a joke.  CCLP is the real deal.  Substance is required to weather the long haul.  Leesville families and teachers deserve the traditional schedule.  Not everyone is anti-family in Wake County and this group will find out soon enough how small their anti-family army is.  Even with the BOE on their side.  I eagerly await the opportunity to read the lies and attacks they bring on.

won't get very many "hits"

won't get very many "hits" that way....

Say it ain't so Joe!

"If you actually believe that doing this will avoid reassignment, you're going to be shocked."

Let me take it up a notch. I like taking reality up a notch, or two, and live for the day when I no longer have to do so BECAUSE the sky will no longer be falling, as seen, spoken and implemented by the criminal and unethical BOE!

IF you think converting is the best thing to come along since you and your burden on society moved here, and as leader of your domain you prefer YOUR beloved 6 or 7 child household to be elsewhere rather than together, and that you WILL NOT be reassigned because you support an MYR criminal forcing of public education,

YOU are a riot!

;c )

Compacted Math class is only

Compacted Math class is only available on track 1 at Lufkin. Compacted Math is for 6th graders who are highly advanced in math. A few qualify or are recommended to take Compacted Math in 6th grade, but there are so few that they are unable to offer it on all tracks simply because there aren’t enough students. Compacted math is basically pre-algebra, which the AG math students typically take in 7th grade and average math students take in 8th grade. Compacted math speeds up the math curriculum so the students take pre-algebra in 6th, algebra in 7th and geometry in 8th. only 2 students are taking geometry in 8th grade at Lufkin and they have to do it via computer in an online learning scenario.

I’ve heard it’s only available on track 3 at Salem Middle, can anyone confirm?

re; N. Garner Middle

re; N. Garner Middle (7/08)

YR schools -- the impact on differentiated services. There are probably only enough students to fill two classes of advanced language arts, but those students are distributed across 4 tracks. So, rather than having a traditional calendar with 2 Advanced Language Arts, there's a YR calendar with none.

Doesn't it make sense to

Doesn't it make sense to convert to MYR so no one has to be assigned out of LRMS? This is an easy one---THINK AGAIN!!! (no offense intended) If you actually believe that doing this will avoid reassignment, you're going to be shocked. Chuck Dulaney said last week that if this goes through, they'll be assigning some of the current LES families OUT of LRMS into either Carroll Middle or West Millbrook Middle in order to make room for some of the current Brier Creek families who want a YR middle school and are "geographically closer" to LRMS.

Forcing MYR on Leesville Middle does NOT mean that there will be no reassignments !

You are right Angela, the

You are right Angela, the Lemmings cannot see the big picture (how ironic they named it that) and I would bet that this group is only doing this because they think if they convert they will be able to remain. We will continue to be shuffled here and there, with no guarentees because the number 1 goal of WCPSS is social engineering. They will achieve it at ALL costs (they already do).  Tell me Angela, what would these people do if they got reassinged to Carroll or West Middlebrook?  What would they do then?  Do they not understand that converting to a year round does not guarentee their placement in a school of choice? How would they feel if their application to YR got denied, like so many others, that want YR and lost the lottery?  Just how would they feel then?  Are they prepared to challange board policy 6200 in order to achieve neighboorhood schools?  Thats what it boils down to.  The Big Picture...Yeah right!  That is a Patty Head line that was used prior to the conversion of LES. 

Converting Leesville Middle

Converting Leesville Middle School to a Year Round calendar will create un-healthy middle schools.
Based on experience with the 22 MYR conversions, many of the F&R students chose to opt-out and attend a traditional calendar school.
The traditional opt-outs for LRMS are Carroll Middle and West Millbrook Middle.
West Millbrook's F&R is already high at 46%, and Carroll's F&R is already high at 48%. LRMS' F&R will decrease from it's current 28%, while West Millbrook and Carroll's F&R will INCREASE to be even more "un-healthy" than they are today.

That is what happened at

That is what happened at West Cary. LotsofF&R opted outof MYR.My best laugh was when I heard the BOE got allhuffy about how these kids need to go werethey were sent.  Gee the neighberhood kids don't want  to be bussed and neither do the F&R.  I guess theonly persons who want Diverrsety at all cost is the BOE

Kool-Aid

Yup, looks to me like they have dumped the kool-aid in the water treatment system.

 Myth :If LMS operates on a year-round schedule some electives will be cut?

Fact: Year-round schools have the same challenges as traditional calendar schools. Regardless of calendar, electives can be cut due to scheduling or staffing issues or lack of enrollment. This is not unique to year-round schools. BiggerPicture surveyed all YR middle school and found that all electives are available for all tracks, unless one of the prior examples exist.

 The whole web site is BUYER BEWARE. Which is it? Either you do or you don't lose electives. Seems to me the sacrafice of calander change should be worth it. It almost sounds like the Friends of Wake County were in on this because it is worded the way they shoved the propaganda down everyones throats before the Bond. 

 The justification of conversion/YR is worded to CYA! Also the survey done in 2005 was SKEWED!!! That is a fact.

It's not too difficult to

It's not too difficult to support something the Board of Education has already approved. Not really going out on a limb, are they?

It appears to me that this is an "anti-Lisa B." group more than anything else.  Are they going to continue to support "common sense solutions" after LRMS is converted? Doubt it.

 

Anti Lisa B Friends of Patti

Too true Sideburns.   Same worn out WCPSS lies, just put in another format.  Which *friends of Patti* will publicly claim involvement in this sham?  This last second entrance into the picture speaks volumes.  Big Picture-yeah right.  BOE mouthpieces will claim victory by jumping onto the out of control trainwreck and then celebrate with their leader.  Their personal attacks were such a low blow and they ought to get their due in the end.

Attacks go both ways

So when some of us questioned Ms. Boneham's conclusion and support of other parents we were chastised up and down.  Now that another group voices their 'different' opinion they are raked over the coals.  Typical of this group. 

Interesting how I never saw the capacity number on Boneham's website.  

"Typical" is Correct

Yes, it is very typical of this group to provide hard facts that refute the press releases put out by WCPSS and its supporters. It is also typical of those supporters to bash the people putting out those facts rather than be willing to debate the facts themselves. Calling the mayor of Garner racist, for example, or folks in Cary bigots or elitists. Rather than debate the facts.

 Which of Angela's facts are in error again?

With all government offices

With all government offices being asked to cut funds, WCPSS will continue to push through with MYR at exceedingly high costs with no real justification of "growth".....how can that happen?

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