None of the speakers had good things to say Tuesday about the proposed Wake County school board redistricting maps.
As noted in today's article, most of the speakers were critics of the board majority who questioned both the way the new maps were developed and the boundary lines used. Another gripe was about school board members Chris Malone and John Tedesco saying ahead of time they wouldn't support making revisions to the maps.
Jim Martin kicked things off with questions about the changes, particularly in southwestern Wake. He said that area has been "a pawn in annexation discussions" and other issues.
Martin compared the new boundaries to tentacles reaching out across southwestern Wake
Martin questioned the decision to split Precinct 20-02 between Districts 7 and 8, creating a small triangle-like area in District 7. He said this further splits apart Cary instead of respecting efforts to maintain municipal boundaries in the districts.
(School board member John Tedesco attributed the 20-02 triangle that has Panther Creek High in District 7 to an effort to give each school board district two high schools.)
In addition to splitting precincts, Martin also questioned splitting Holly Springs and Fuquay-Varina between districts.
He presented this proposed map (which I'll post later today) that he said would maintain municipalities and precincts. For instance, he said 20-02 could stay in Cary in District 9.
Martin's map also has areas going to Athens Drive High in District 5 instead of District 8.
“You don’t have to have an octopus and we are responsible to southwestern wake instead of using them as a pawn as has been done so many times in the past," Martin said.
Martin said after the meeting that he's waiting for the final boundaries to be set before deciding if he'll run for school board. The proposed map moves his precinct, 06-07, from District 8 to District 5.
While Martin didn't specifically bring up 06-07 in his speech, Patty Williams of the Great Schools in Wake Coalition did. She questioned why 06-07 would be moved to a District that's currently called South Central Raleigh.
Williams, who said she supported Martin's map, also advocated putting precincts 18-03, 18-05 and 18-08 in District 5 because they go to Athens Drive High She said that it would make District 5 more compact and that board member Anne McLaurin “serves very effectively” the Athens Drive community.
She criticized Malone and Tedesco for saying they wouldn't support revisions
She also questioned the lack of transparency by attorney Kieran Shanahan, who has refused to provide details to the public such as the exact boundary lines of the split precincts and the demographics of the districts. He's calling it protected work product under attorney-client privilege that can only be released by the board.
“What we’ve been asking for all along is full disclosure of the details behind the plan and a process that is fair and transparent," William said "We could have had valuable give-and-take discussion about the plan tonight. Instead what we’ve had another reminder that public opinion counts for little despite the fact that we live in a democracy where debating issues used to be a way of life.”
After the hearing, Margiotta said he only has as much information on the maps as has been publicly released. He said he wouldn't be opposed to releasing the info requested as long as their legal staff doesn't object.
Betty Ellerbee of the League of Women Voters of Wake County noted how they had revised their draft map in response to concerns that Margiotta had raised about them during an open house he attended.
“If our small task force can produce a second version in response to suggestions and if the Town of Cary’s Planning Department can produce 19 versions of a redistricting plan, why can’t we expect the Shanahan Law Group to respond to suggestions tonight and address some of these concerns?” Ellerbee said.
Jennifer Mansfield was one of the two supporters of the board majority who spoke Tuesday. She questioned efforts to keep precincts within 1 percent of each other because she said it doesn't allow for the growth that will come in the next decade. She siad it will result in some districts being grossly underrepresented.
Shanahan has said they tried to keep the population variance so low because it's uncertain how much variance the U.S. Supreme Court will now allow in election districts.
Mary Kelley said she came to talk about the process and not the specifics of the redistricting plan.
“The board stressed to the public that they wanted this to be a transparent process. But it has not," Kelley said.
Kelley focused on the lack of data released by Shanahan. She said that should have been provided considering he's being paid with public dollars.
Greg Flynn compared the proposed elongated boundary for District 5 with the character of Nemo from the movie "Finding Nemo." He says the district needs to be made more compact.
Flynn also wanted Shanahan to release more data and for the districts to better reflect the demographics of the school district, which is now majority minority even though the overall county population is majority white.
Chris Fulmer, a supporter of the board majority, said the current map is a reflection of the 1982 General Assembly compromise to preserve half the power between Inside the Beltline and outside the Beltline by having four ITB school board seats.
"That compromise is 30 years old and doesn’t apply any more," Fulmer said.
With the county seeing much more population growth than ITB, Fulmer said that District 5 should now solely be a suburban district. He got considerably less applause than the other speakers.
Susan Evans opened by criticizing Tedesco and Malone's comments in Tuesday's article.
"This could have been an opportunity for the community to collaborate but as usual you come to the table close minded," Evans said to the board.
Evans, who lives in District 8, said the district has been "haphazardly restructured." She questioned why 06-07 was put in District 5 and why 12-09 was moved from District 2 to District 8. She also questioned the 20-02 triangle in District 7
“It does make me wonder what in the world have we paid $10,000 for because we surely don’t have much data," Evans said "I’d like to see better than this. I’m very insulted. I want to learn some more details. We learned a long time ago if something smells like a skunk there’s probably one close by.”
Barbara Garlock complained that the online comment option limits you to 1,000 words and doesn't allow you to post attachments.
After the meeting, Tedesco defended his prior statements. He reiterated that the maps were very fair and to change them now would be a case of "gerrymandering."
Tedesco also said that the low turnout Tuesday indicated most people are okay with the new maps as he pointed to how most of the speakers were the same ones who attend board meetings to criticize the majority.
Margiotta also said after the hearing that it would be hard to make any changes because of the domino effects it would create.
UPDATE
Click here to view the proposed map from Jim Martin

Comments
We may lose the opportunity to VOTE on Oct 11th!
Fri, 05/13/2011 - 23:45 — bgarlockMr. Hui, you say I "complained" about the limitations of submitting comments online (not enough space and maps can't be submitted). FYI, since online is inadequate to submit the maps or charts necessary to address the issue, I also asked the Board if written comments could be submitted (with the implied question whether written comments would be considered), but got no response. I guess that's because they had their minds made up before any comments were submitted.
Most importantly, Mr. Hui -- and I don't know why you failed to mention my main comment, which I felt the need to make because the point has not been explained in a crystal clear manner in N&O coverage, and I believe this is vital for citizens to understand about the redistricting exercise:
The redistricting maps being drawn up by attorney Shanahan affect not only school districts -- they determine who I (and every citizen in Wake County) gets to vote for in the School Board election on October 11, 2011.
It is my understanding that some neighborhoods arer being split so that people who last had the opportunity to vote in 2007 will NOT be able to vote in the upcoming election -- they will next be able to vote in 2013.
If these districts are to be split this way, citizens will be deprived of the right to vote in the upcoming election. I have been waiting for the opportunity to vote against Mr. Margiotta for FOUR years ... and now I may not get that chance??
There also is concern that districts could be drawn arbitrarily and specifically to exclude particular candidates from running for election in their previous district, if they are moved to one that will not have an election this year.
I wish you had mentioned this in the paper Mr. Hui. No offense, but I doubt many people who aren't wedded to one position or another read this blog, and the average citizen needs to understand why this redistricting is so important.
Also, while we're talking about the process for decidind redistricting details, I think it's downright shameful the School Board members are meeting two by two with attorney Shanahan to establish these new boundaries, thus circumventing public input and clearly working to evade the Open Meetings law. That's the ONLY reason they do it that way -- they line up agreement in groups too small to be subject to the OML's quorum, but nonetheless achieve agreement in toto among a majority of five -- and thus achieve a quorum of the members!!! (Where is the Attorney General on this? The Institute of Government? Attorney Majestic surely knows better - oh but they don't listen to her anymore do they! She tells them the law, while they want to do it their way, and so have turned to the attorney in their pocket -- not behiolden to the citizens or students, but to the majority.) Shanahan's playing fast and loose with the sunshine laws, and citizens' right to observe and participate in being governed -- as is our right!
Does it seem fair, even to people who love the board majority, that some people in Wake County won't get to vote in a school board election they've waited four years for? (How would you feel?) Does it seem fair that the Board majority has been meeting with Shanahan two-by-two, rather than as the actual Board, to agree on his propsal piecemeal in order to skirt the OML -- because if 5 of them met, they'd have to open the meeting -- and yet they do achieve an agreement of those five -- just bit by bit. And they do it without public input or valuable factual information they should be aware of (and by the way, the online tools are inadequate to submit such comments). This Board, and attorney Shanahan, are playing games with our rights, and it isn't right! Not only that, but the Board majority has ceded its responsibility to thoughtfully and accountably establish voting and school assignment districts to an attorney without experience in this area, whose main qualification is that he'll do whatever they want whether or not it's the right thing ... but I guess that's a"complaint" for another time.
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Sat, 05/14/2011 - 16:34 — SideburnsDo I smell another lawsuit, Ms. Garlock? I bet Swain is all over this.
I understand your concerns
Sat, 05/14/2011 - 14:43 — jenmanI understand your concerns about not being able to vote again and I'd definitely not be happy if it was happening to me either. But that is impossible to avoid, isn't it? The districts all have to change at least a bit, right? The only way we would be able to avoid somebody not being able to vote two elections in a row is if everybody who is drawn out of one of the 5 districts that is up this year is then moved to one of the other 4 districts that is also up this year.
Same goes for people who may now be eligible to vote in the second election in a row. We'd have to make sure that anybody moved out of the 4 districts that was up last time is moved into one of the other 3 that were up last time.
I'm assuming that this was an issue the last times we redrew the boundaries too. How did they solve it then?
Do professors at NC State
Wed, 05/11/2011 - 19:31 — woodstockDo professors at NC State have any actual job responsibilities or associated time commitments? Yevonne Brannon and Jim Martin are both professors at State and both seem to have a tremendous amount of time on their hands to organize efforts to overturn elections, conduct research, write and deliver hate-filled speeches and draw squiggly lines on maps and pretend it's a plan.
Did Dr. Martin's
Wed, 05/11/2011 - 18:08 — DrActualFactualDid Dr. Martin's map/handout include any population numbers associated with the precinct rearrangements?
None that he provided to
Wed, 05/11/2011 - 19:22 — KeungHui (author)None that he provided to me.
Thanks Mr. Hui. I have
Thu, 05/12/2011 - 06:30 — DrActualFactualThanks Mr. Hui. I have always viewed voting as American's expression of liberty and freedom of choice. Moving precinct 20-02 with 8,900 registered voters and climbing into District 9 where no one is running seems to remove a lot of voting power in a very crucial election. I would think the League of Women's Voters would be working hard to make sure as many voters as possible get to vote in the upcoming election (including those in 20-02). Mr. Martin's 06-07 precinct holds 3,248 registered voters as of the last election--whether he remains in district 8 or moves to the adjacent district, they will still get to vote. If 20-02 is moved into Ms. Goldman's district 9, then the HS (PCHS) will be in Ms. Prickett's district 7, and the southern portion of 20-02's district 8's ES/MS will be Margiotta's schools (Turner Creek ES/Salem MS) unless you intend to start sending them over to Davis Dr. ES/MS or up to Highcroft ES/Mills Park MS. Much of the school population in 20-02 seems to have followed a north/south direction; redistricting them into an east/west district would mean moving more western wake schools to Ms. Goldman, perhaps even Turner Creek.
2001 Redistricting
Wed, 05/11/2011 - 10:54 — PrivateSchoolDadThe process this year doesn't seem much different from the process used in 2001, but the Board at that time wasn't vilified by the League of women Voters or any other groups. They initially drafted a single map, then later added a second and a third. But in the end adopted the original map with one minor change. Oh yea this was done by Diversity supporters and ITB groups that compromised the BOE at the time. It seems like the people complaining are against the Board majority and not really the process.
This is news?! Wake County
Wed, 05/11/2011 - 07:22 — woodstockThis is news?! Wake County has nearly a million residents, yet the N&O finds it newsworthy that half a dozen folks expressed concerns about the redistricting at the recent board meeting. I might add, those half dozen are among the usual cast of obsessed ultra-left-wing characters and race-hustling sympathizers that routinely bash the board majority... they'd find something to complain about if a majority board member mentioned that the sky was blue.
Closed Minds
Wed, 05/11/2011 - 07:12 — SatchHHMr. Tedesco continues to offend. First, prior to the comment meeting he said that although he'd listen to comments, he wouldn't support making any changes to the plan. If that doesn't discourage folks from coming to comment, I don't know what does. THEN, he says that the relatively low turnout suggests that most people are OK with the proposed plan. This is a joke! This board, whose new members actually ran on the idea of openness and listening to the public is doing exactly the opposite. What is the rationale for Shanahan not releasing all of the data? It is ridiculous that WCPSS spent extra money on this plan and can't even see the numbers behind it and no rationale is given. Why, for example, was it necessary to split precincts? Let's have some answers instead of this continued stonewalling and nonsense from JT and others. Ugh.
Did you speak at the board
Wed, 05/11/2011 - 07:34 — woodstockDid you speak at the board meeting to provide PUBLIC INPUT? Or, are you like McLaurin-Meeker who wants to complain after the fact, but was unwilling to participate in the process. Tedesco WAS part of the planning process --- as were most of the board members -- and offered his input. He obviously understands the work that went into it, including the myriad of census data and legal factors that were considered, and feels it is a solid plan that he can stand behind.
You JUST said "There are
Wed, 05/11/2011 - 17:45 — Andrew95You JUST said "There are (many) residents in wake county, and yet it's news that a few dozen people are complaining"
Now you're accusing someone of not caring enough to be one of the few dozen? Pick a side.
Huh? If you insist on
Wed, 05/11/2011 - 18:05 — woodstockHuh?
If you insist on following me around, please at least makes some sense.
this:
Wed, 05/11/2011 - 18:38 — Andrew95First: "This is news?! Wake County has nearly a million residents, yet the N&O finds it newsworthy that half a dozen folks expressed concerns about redistricting..."
Then, when criticizing Satch:
"Did you speak at the board meeting to provide PUBLIC INPUT?"
You see the contradiction? First you say public input doesn't matter, then you say that someone doesn't care unless they have the time to speak at a meeting.
LOL You're just kidding,
Wed, 05/11/2011 - 19:05 — woodstockLOL You're just kidding, right?
LOL you're just changing the
Wed, 05/11/2011 - 19:26 — Andrew95LOL you're just changing the subject, right?
Andy, dude, what is your
Wed, 05/11/2011 - 19:38 — woodstockAndy, dude, what is your problem? LOL If you have a point, make it. I don't know what you are trying to get at.
If you think 6 people -- the same 6 people we always hear from -- complaining about a redistricting map is newsworthy, fine. It seems silly and insignificant to me. The only thing newsworthy to me is that people seem to be fine with the redistricting or they don't give a damn.
I just made my point, twice
Wed, 05/11/2011 - 19:45 — Andrew95I just made my point, twice actually. The point was, you say that public comment is not effective, then you told Satch that if they didn't have the time to input public comment, they didn't care enough. Which one is it?
(don't answer if you're just going to say "I still don't see what you're getting at", because I don't feel like entertaining someone who's just playing dumb.)
LOL What the..., you need a
Wed, 05/11/2011 - 20:05 — woodstockLOL What the..., you need a life! No, I did not say public comment is not effective... never even implied that. I made a comment about an N&O headline that sensationalized the comments of only a few (6) indviduals... the same obsessed individuals who complain about any- and everything the board majority is involved in.
As for Satch, she was complaining there was no opportunity for public comment on the redisctricting, yet there was indeed such an opportunity and she elected not to take advantage of it. Like McLaurin-Meeker, Satch wanted to complain that she was not heard, but the lack of participation was her choice.
We'll see...
Wed, 05/11/2011 - 07:27 — Bob_SconceFirst of all, Shanahan did release the exact districts by precinct number and (where preciincts are split) by census block. That information is as precise as it gets.
Why split precincts? Because they were trying to get districts to be within 1% of each other -- as a legal matter, that's the primary goal of redistricting, not keeping precincts intact. That means you're making extremely fine-grained changes. Along the way, you need to do things like "Ok. I need to move about 430 people from district A to district B. None of the bordering preciincts are that small. What blocks can I move?"
There are 9 people on the board -- the fact that one or two of them is going to vote against the change doesn't mean that showing up at the meeting is superfluos. I think John's overstating his case -- the low-turnout was because people just don't care, not because he discouraged them.
The split precinct info from
Wed, 05/11/2011 - 08:40 — KeungHui (author)The split precinct info from Shanahan only provides the census block for 05-06. It doesn't have that same level of detail for the other splits. He'll say something like keep the area around Panther Creek High, east of this street or the non-Raleigh portion of that precinct. He claims that level of detail is protected work product that can only be released by the school system. Yet, school officials say they never received that level of detail from him.
Shanahan also didn't provide detailed demographic data for the disricts, saying people can do it themselves, which is tricky when you don't have the exact boundaries for each district. Another question would be why he's telling people to calculate it themselves instead of releasing the info that he apparenly has if he can give general verbal details about it to board members.
why wasn't this included?
Wed, 05/11/2011 - 20:37 — EBDarcyWill there be another story with this information? Shouldn't the fact that the proposal lacks so much information be part of the story? Will the N&O be verifying that Shanahan's claims are correct?
It was in today's article.
Thu, 05/12/2011 - 00:25 — KeungHui (author)It was in today's article.
Ok...
Wed, 05/11/2011 - 08:48 — Bob_SconceOk. That wasn't my recollection, but it appears you're right. When I looked at it, though, I didn't have any problem figuring out what was in each district.