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School election showdown over year-round schools

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We're reaching what could be a case of put up or shut up about year-round schools.

As noted in today's article, voters can choose between a slate of school board candidates who support or oppose the current practice of assigning students to year-round schools. A sweep by critics could lead to more reversed conversions and even a return to having mostly voluntary applications into year-round schools.

But for those who claim that parents and voters accept year-round schools as they are, the election results could prove their case as well.

It will be especially telling in District 7, where the rhetoric over year-round schools has been especially heated. A win for Deborah Prickett would help show that groups such as Concerned and Commtted Leesville Parents are right about opposition to year-round assignment being the will of the majority.

"Mandatory year-round schools are an issue for District 7,” said Prickett, a former guidance counselor at Leesville Middle. “The greatest majority of parents in this area didn’t want Leesville Elementary and Leesville Middle to go year-round.”

But a win by Karen Simon would help show that groups such as BiggerPicture4Wake are right about most parents and taxpayers preferring the greater use of year-round schools.

Simon says that the conversions have helped put Wake in a good position when growth resumes at its old pace.

“I just hope that parents can understand the need for year-round,” Simon said. “While growth has slowed down due to the economy, we don’t just want to make decisions for the time being.”

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I was wondering if the over

I was wondering if the over and under capacity on the chart by school would correct itself over the next three year assignment as the eight new schools come on line... I remember during the reassignment meeting there was a lot of concern about getting the feeder schools right as all the new schools opened … could the over and under counts be self correcting over the next three years?

I was wondering

I was wondering how much of that 'stable' 3 year assignment would change given all the caveats Chuck used when he announced it. "If" the economy didn't tank (it did), "If" the budget adjustments would allow them to keep all the teachers (they cut 1500 teachers), and there was one other one I can't recall. So, stable only IF.....this is typical. If the status quo wins it will be dreadful and interesting to see what happens during reassignment season this year. 

The Feeder Patterns Are Messed Up, But They Don't Care!

Our neighborhood goes to a ES school that doesn't really make sense.  We have 8 ES schools closer!  Because of this our feeder pattern doesn't make sense to MS.  My son will not go to MS with a single child he has made friends with in ES.  I'm looking into options because MS will be tough enough, but imagine not having any of your ES friends there!  I guess my child is one of those unforseen consequences! 

The more K Simon opens her

The more K Simon opens her mouth the more she hurts her campaign. If she somehow manages to win, it will not be due to votes from parents in her district. She will have to thank the mindless drones of the Democratic Party and WEP with their deep pockets. What an unprepared and unconnected candidate she is.

More school: Obama would

More school: Obama would curtail summer vacation
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090927/ap_on_re_us/us_more_school
Charter schools are known for having longer school days or weeks or years. For example, kids in the KIPP network of 82 charter schools across the country go to school from 7:30 a.m. to 5 p.m., more than three hours longer than the typical day. They go to school every other Saturday and for three weeks in the summer. KIPP eighth-grade classes exceed their school district averages on state tests.

The local crowd does not

The local crowd does not like mandatory anything ... so, I wonder how longer school hours would be received ... another lawsuit? ?

KIPP school

I understand that some people in Wake County have been trying to start a KIPP charter school.  Does anyone know who is trying to do this?  Also, does anyone know who is opposing it?  I had heard that the 100 school state limit on charter schools was one of the problems.

from what I can gather, this

from what I can gather, this pretty much sums up things nicely...
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/columnists_blogs/story/115372.html

Oh yes, it sums up what the

Oh yes, it sums up what the uninformed and unaffected status quo people believe.  More of the same ol' BS spewed out of someone paid to spin the truth.  Shameful.

Yes, it does a nice job

Yes, it does a nice job summing up the narrow view of people who have no idea what is going on inside of our school system.

sounds like the old adage is

sounds like the old adage is correct, "the truth hurts"

Apparently you wouldn't know

Apparently you wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the backside if you truly believe that editorial.  Another brainwashed blogger has come to play.

To sum up Ford's criticism

If Ford were correct, that is, if entitled, narrow parents without a broader sense of social awareness are driving the criticism, I'd be ringing the bell with him. Only, this fundamentally ain't true and if he really were concerned for education for all, he'd be holding his own side to greater journalistic scrutiny rather than the lazy reliance on strawmen and political con-games.

Steve Ford: it's good to meet and talk with people with whom you disagree. Had you provided a more robust argument as stated by WSCA, you could either might make a stronger argument or see that there's more to this than comports with the surface of the debate.

Attack of the strawmen

Here's to the "truth" being the victory of education over the current ed junta on Oct 6th.

Our education is at peril here, and all they have are plastic, one-dimensional strawmen as "truths." Not really, but that hasn't stopped the calumnious reflex before.

y'all are just too

y'all are just too predictable...like sharks to chum

The predictability of engaged parents

The engaged, loving parents of Wake County, like most other engaged and loving parents of the world, are predictable in their love for their children and wanting what's best from the parent's perspective.

So, thanks for noticing! I'm not sure you're making any other point there, but thanks anyway.

Well Ms. Jeannie

I'd like to know how much you volunteer at school Ms. Jennie84?  We are 5 weeks into the school year and I've already been at the school volunteering 20+ hours helping some of our disadvantage kids that need the extra help.  WCPSS made a ton of changes in our school because they knew we wouldn't pass our AYPs this year and would be on academic probation.  Heaven forbid they couldn't run the risk of leaving us a Title I school...they would had to had to offer transfers out for a lot of families.  When we lost our Title I funding (which we only had for one year)  we lost 10 additional teaching staff along with it.    I'm there to help these kids because god knows Wake looks at them as a number and demographic makeup and not individuals!  These kids are great and I enjoy every minute I'm with them.  So before you judge people like myself who are deseperate for change you should meet us!  Most of us are the ones actually at these schools doing what we can to help ALL the kids!  Things are going to CHANGE.  Even if a couple of the status quo candidates do get elected (oh the horror if you saw Rita Rakestraw's interview), we will win in 2 more years when the rest of these clowns are up for re-election.  THINGS WILL CHANGE to HELP all kids whether you like it or not! 

"When we lost our Title I

"When we lost our Title I funding (which we only had for one year)  we lost 10 additional teaching staff along with it.  "

 

I thought people were saying there was no linkage between Title I funding and Title I schools funding and that WCPSS spent the Title I money elsewhere (e.g. spreading it around).  Losing 10 teachers sound pretty direct ..... it sounded like the money was being used exactly as intended ...

The proper use of the point of ellipsis

I know you don't take your own writing seriously, but for others at an education blog who might be piqued by your consistently wrong use of it, might want to check this page out:

Whatever else you do, though, don't use ellipsis points as if they were decorations for your prose. Writing of that sort reminds me of preteen girls who dot their "i's" with circles and hearts. It has a silly, breathless quality to it, don't you think?

Ms. Jennie84

Well obviously Ms. Jeannie84 is just another person that doesn't go into these schools to see what is going on.  She reads the paper and she's suddenly an expert!  If she did, she would have responded to my post on how many hours she has volunteered in the school this year?   

unlike most of the people

unlike most of the people spewing their venom on this blog, I have a life...which is maybe why I didn't respond re: my school volunteer hours...which total close 100 to date, fyi

 and no one is denying any parent's love for their children...it would be nice, tho, if you'd be willing to compromise instead of have an all or nothing attitude...is that what you're teaching your children, cuz life ain't that way

Jennie I think you'll truly

Jennie I think you'll truly find that most everyone out here is willing to compromise... we all want what is best not only for our own children, but all of the children that are supposed to be experiencing an enriching, challenging, supportive and inspiring academic life in WCPSS.  At the very core of almost every issue is the BOE's refusal to assess how their policies are actually working.  What is clicking along very well - and what needs improvment.   Economic Diversity IS important.  But - SO IS EDUCATION.  The two things are BOTH important - and in some cases across this great county - both are being acheived.  In MANY cases - economic diversity trumps everything.

We want a new approach.  We don't want something that has been tried (translate CMS...) and we don't want to dismantle everything that WCPSS stands for.  We simply want to improve the things that NEED IMPROVING.

Our kids - ALL of them - are counting on us.  They cannot do it alone. 

Sigh

We've been compromising, compromising, et absurdum. We turned the corner when we saw not only zero return on our good-spirited attempts to be heard (long before coming here to vent) but then foul lies about our motives. No adult parent wants "All or nothing" that is YOUR strawman. Like Steve Ford, you should get to know us and not lazily rely on these one-dimension stereotypes that may provide emotional satisfaction but only increase the chasm in our community. It is this hostility and prejudice that is sinking the ed system.

Did not vote

To to those interested in candidate integrity, you might find this interesting. Neither Simon, Truitt, Lucus or Vair voted in the last school board elections. They voted in the general election, but ignored the very office they are running for. I wonder why they are all of sudden interested.

This information is public record can be seen on the Wake County Board of Elections website.

Candidates Who Did Not Vote in Municipal Elections!

This is amazing.  I just checked the Wake County Board of Elections site and this is correct.  Why would you want to run for a public office as important as this and not care enough to vote in past elections?  Where is their commitment?  They are asking everyone to get out and vote when they didn't do it???  Don't they think that municipal elections are important?

Let me list again the candidates that didn't vote (municipal):

Simon, Truitt, Lucus, and Vair

 

This deserves attention in

This deserves attention in the media doesn't it Mr. Hui?

Only three voted in the last

Only three voted in the last municipal school board elections - Malone, Tart and Prickett.  I think you should not just single out four of the eight who did not vote.

OT-alert

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6052388/
To provide voters with as much information as possible before they go to the polls on Oct. 6, WRAL.com recently asked people running for the Wake County Board of Education to present their views on issues facing the school district.

Thank you.  Where was Karen

Thank you.  Where was Karen Simons?  Nothing to say?  I reckon she is hiding away hoping that enough votes can just be bought so that she will only have to follow the script and do and say what she is told.  The status quo playbook has been written.  Unless it can be destroyed next month the losers will continue to be students, parents and school staff members in WCPSS schools.

Again singling out,

Again singling out, according to WRAL

"Six of the 12 candidates responded to the request. The candidates who didn't reply are Rita Rakestraw and Debbie Vair in District 1, Chris Augustine, Horace Tart and John Tedesco in District 2 and Karen Simon in District 7."

No Comments from Simon on WRAL

Are you surprised?  She doesn't have enough to say to write more than a few sentences.  It's just mandatory year round and you're just supposed to take all the reassignments that WCPSS dishes out in the name of growth.  Nothing to defend with this platform.  This is so slack.  Parents in my neighborhood are not impressed.

I've heard Nixon say the same sort of things. Wonder who wrote their notes?

In interviews and in her

In interviews and in her written statements, Simon has not even once mentioned a school or situation in District 7. Are we even sure she lives in District 7? I don't know anyone in District 7 who even knows who she is. In contrast, everyone seems to know and respect Ms. Prickett.

If big money is successful

If big money is successful at buying her enough votes to win you all will be in worse shape than you are now. P Head is well aware of what is going on in your district, but makes decisions to intentionally tear communities apart. K Simon is both unaware and backed bý status quo who will keep on punishing parents rather than helping them. Do all you can to get D Prickett elected now or you will be sorry later.

Stan Norwalk wrote them.

Stan Norwalk wrote them.

River Bend?

Who can provide the current enrollment @ River Bend ES? Isn't this a fairly new year-round school with maybe half the number of students as some traditional calendar schools! Will WEP explain how this particular year-round school saves money? Why not admit that the year-round schools are NOT full and therefore NOT saving anybody any money.

Since they are so concerned about presenting facts to the public in a non-biased manner, maybe they can provide the current enrollment at these schools along with the current seating capacity.

While they are at it, what about providing the actual ride times (round-trip) on the busses that are only supposed to be traveling 5 miles from any neighborhood to an assigned school. The bird's eye view mileage chart provided by WCPSS is not useful information.

WEP should provide accurate information to the public by providing the ACTUAL driving times between the 2 points so that the public can make better informed decisions about how tax dollars are really being spent.

River Bend ES Year Round

This is interesting information about this year round school.  I keep hearing the bloggers say that many are not up to capacity.  How can this be cost effective; it can't.  They need to be full to save money.  Thanks for pointing this out!

Yes, I would like to hear from WEP too. Are they helping the schools to hide this information? Why are they trying to sell us on mandatory year rounds with the idea of growth? Where's the growth?

from the link Hui provided,

from the link Hui provided, looks like base of 575 36 trans 13 NCLB 3 Other=627

for a YR????

what the nearest Traditional calendar school, I don't even know where this one is?

Why is HSES the most over

Why is HSES the most over crowded school? 1068! There are several other YR elementary schools in the area that are not over stuffed... Herbert Aiken, West Lake, Holly Grove ... what the heck?
Oh wait, that's right, Del does not like the people in Holly Springs because of that group that formed that dared to question reassignments. That's right.
PUNISHMENT... for all you Holly Springs people..keep your mouths shut or else ...!

Is anyone willing to be

Is anyone willing to be reassigned?

I wouldn't Do It Asked....

OK...user12345....I've mentioned this before.  We were 'reassigned' voluntarily many years ago to help build up the arm pit school of the county.  We were also promised to be at the middle school nearest to our home and we were just moved out.  I personally think neighborhoods would agree to go to certain schools if they were promised stability in the end.  Of course I wouldn't trust this school district to honor their promises...just like they didn't honor the promises made to us! 

not sure what that has to do

not sure what that has to do with Holly Springs having 250 more kids and surrounding schools having too few per the post .. someone needs to go .. not sure why parents, teachers, admin would put up with kids busting out the seams of one school and would not move down the street to the empty school ... this is not about promises, it is about bad planning and having side by side school one with over capacity and one under capacity.

this is NOT unique LES an

this is NOT unique

LES an MYR (converted) has 1075 (base of 785, Cal 204 trans61 other 25)

2.21 miles down the road from LES

Sycamore Creek built FOR YR has 718 (base 690, trans 21 other 7)

7.81 miles down the road from LES

Brier Creek built for YR has 731 (base 601) cal 76, trans 46 other 8)

Traditional calendar 2.44 miles from LES

Hilburn:  has 503 (base 343 cal 110, trans 29, other 21)

(this school is now a Title I school, a direct result of MYR)

this is GROWTH and PLANNING not PARENTS.

 

If WCPSS can force kids to

If WCPSS can force kids to attend any school why don't they force some out of overcrowded LES to another school?  I don't understand how schools side by side can one be overcrowded and the other under capacity and WCPSS which is suppose to have infinite powers now does not balance the capacity between an over crowded school and under capacity school so close to each other.

in this case they made LES

in this case they made LES an application school and purposely accepted 204 applicants to justify the conversion to MYR...it's THAT simple.

Why they don't send them to Sycamore and/or Brier Creek is your guess as well as mine.

laughing hysterically

We are 1 mile from Sycamore Creek.  In our neighborhood, LES is the application YR elementary school.  Less than 10% who apply get in.

 We are NOT ALLOWED to go to Sycamore Creek.  Because of our 'numbers',  we MUST GO to Jeffrey's Grove - > 8 miles down the road.   Well, guess what - JanisTango's been giving those numbers for JGE- many of the parents in our neighborhood pulled their kids out - to private school, home school, etc.  How's that forced assignment working out for you, Chuck?

This is why we need new reps on the school board - this whole assignment policy is so screwed up that I think it's unsalvagable.

 

VOTE OCTOBER 6! 

so out of the 200+ apps

so out of the 200+ apps accepted, your neighborhood wasn't part of that (just so User can "understand" this part ) and must attend Jeffrey's Grove.

Ok ... I give ... seriously

Ok ... I give ... seriously this is too complex for me (and much of the lay public) ... I really think you have a compelling arguement if you could keep it simple ... I live next to school A .... my kids go to school B ... at school B, my kids have to stand up all day because there are not enough seats ... at school A only half the seats are filled ... we have asked school A if we can borrow a seat for my child to take to school B and they won't give it up ... that would make a great TV investigator segment showing your kids meeting in closets in school B and open unused classrooms at School A ... that is so much more effective than all the bussing and diversity lines ... people can understand two schools side by side ... one busting at the seams and one virtually empty ....

You've got to go to some public comment sessions

Seriously, user12345, next time there are reassignment hearings, you really need to attend one or two sessions.

You've been presented with some of these stories, and your response is to say "Oh, of course.  There's a simple solution here; the answer is clear."  Go to some of these reassignment hearings, and you'll hear a number of these, and so many of these parents are giving calm, rational, clear explanations of a problem followed by a reasonable request.  Their suggestions may seem like absolute no-brainers, yet they just get ignored.

Frankly, attending some of these meetings is what drove me to activism in the first place.  The initial instigation, of course, was when the school system reassigned my kids to the 17th closest elementary school to my home.  But as this drove me to study the situation and learn what was really driving the reassignment woes, I found much quite a bit that shocked me.  I saw callous and rude behaviour from a number of Board members, changing of rules mid-stream (initially promising us one thing, and then changing that entirely), and learning that while I thought kids in our area were getting a raw deal, others in other areas had it even worse.  (In my first rounds of the reassignment meetings, I learned a lot from the Garner families.  They were essentially locked into their home schools --- taunted with magnet and year round options being touted as "options" for all children, but being forced to stay in their home assignment because their "type" was needed there.

I think you like to attribute unhappiness with the current situation as greed or classism on those who live in other areas of the county as your own.   More often, though, I see it as people who have taken the time to truly educate themselves about how the system works, and are trying to make it better.

Seriously, make the time to attend one of the public hearings at the next reassignment.  Better yet, attend multiple meetings, with at least one in an area outside your own area of the county.  Yeah, you will probably hear a couple of people who seem to be "me, me, it's all about me."  But I guarantee you that you will hear a number of stories that will pique your empathy, and perhaps anger you at the injustice of a system that concentrates on the concept of the "health" of an inanimate object while it ignores real pain in the lives of individuals.  

 

“Seriously, user12345,

“Seriously, user12345, next time there are reassignment hearings, you really need to attend one or two sessions. “

 

I have been to the public reassignment hearings which in my case were neighborhoods band together, wearing the same shirt and buttons wanting to go to school A … but there are too many people at School A … get some more trailers … or the kids will need to drive into the sun to go to another school, or their lunchrooms is old and not big enough … other school does not have a chess club …. Those are sad but ultimately, there are too many kids in the school and someone needs to move somewhere … what is worse is when a chain of neighborhoods all want to got to School A because their friend in the previous link are going to A … again, someone needs to draw the line and move the kids from one school to another … note the public hearings I went to had nothing to do with diversity … no ghettos moving into town… just a bunch of neighborhoods all wanting to be in the same school and not enough seats for all of them  

 What I am referring is when the data shown earlier (chart) shows half the schools had 100 too many kids and the other half had 100 too few … again, I don’t see that as a diversity issue… I see that as poor programming … I don’t know what the acceptable error rate is on say a 700 student ES … 50? Kids … but to have side by schools one over crowded and one under crowded seems like a programming problem not a diversity problem … if WCPSS has the infinite power some refer to here, they could simple move the kids on the 10th day of class to the under utilized school  … but they let the capacity problem remain …. Why? … and if these problems are brought to the board, obviously poor programming on that scale is impossible to remedy one kid at a time … … but hundreds of kids overcrowding one school and more parents wanting to add to the heap is impossible to deal with on an exception basis …

Hope

Hopefully we will soon see the end of these depressing mock trials. With four new candidates there the meetings I think the idea is that these will become solutions oriented 'town hall' type of discusssions. 

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