Things have taken a dramatic shift today in the development of the new student assignment plan for Wake County.
School board vice chairwoman Debra Goldman has added to the agenda a revote on the resolution calling for community-based school. Kevin Hill seconded the motion. Goldman says she still supports community schools so the vote could be over changing who is in charge of developing the new plan.
The agenda item was added after a heated exchange between Goldman and other majority members during the committee of the whole meeting
During the COW meeting, Goldman voiced her concerns about being shut out of the development of the new student assignment plan. Board member John Tedesco, chairman of the student assignment committee, accused Goldman of grandstanding in front of the cameras and called her a “prom queen.”
“I have grave concerns about the way this plan is being presented,” Goldman said. “It’s not taking the viewpoint of the people serving on the committee.
Goldman complained that the only voices being heard in the student assignment committee are Tedesco and committee member Chris Malone.
Goldman has objected to not being a voting member of the student assignment committee and that the plan does away with guaranteed school assignments for every address.
“Every time you have a meeting the temperature in the community rises,” Goldman said to Tedesco,
Goldman accused other members of the majority of holding private meetings in the hallway that excluded her.
“It wasn’t a question, it was more grandstanding in front of the cameras,” Tedesco shot back at Goldman’s question about the committee process.
Goldman said that every step of the new plan should go before the full board instead of waiting until the end when they’re told they don’t have time to make major changes. There’s a push from some members to have a plan in place for the 2011-12 school year.
“We’re making a draft a little tighter to present to the board,” Tedesco said of the changes that were made to the line boundaries at a committee meeting last week.
“You’re spinning the wheels of everyone in this county without getting feedback from the board,” Goldman responded.
Majority member Deborah Prickett defended Tedesco, accusing Goldman of not speaking up for residents of the Lochnere section in Goldman’s Cary district at last week’s committee meeting.
“For the people in the Lochmere area, even though I don’t have them in my district, I’ll be very glad to represent them,” Prickett said.
Malone urged his colleagues to “calm down a little bit.”
“Nobody should think what they see in the maps is the end all be all,” Malone said. “Stick with us. Pay attention. Things will be alright.”
Goldman said they don’t have to tear apart the current assignment plan to make a new one work.
“You’re building on a foundation that hasn’t been approved by the board,” Goldman said.
The complaints continued even on to the next discussion about the search for a new superintendent. Goldman heads that committee.
Tedesco complained that they still don’t have criteria for a new superintendent at this late date.
Now, John don't get all upset,” Goldman said. “Calm yourself down."
“You calm down, prom queen,” Tedesco shot back at Goldman.
UPDATE
Goldman won't say what wording will be in the community schools resolution. She could call for the elimination of the student assignment committee to be replaced by the full board working on the plan..
Goldman also confirmed that Tedesco and school board chairman Ron Margiotta had gone to her home last week to ask her to not voice her complaints publicly. It's not illegal because a majority wasn't present but could draw fire from critics.

Comments
it's not ironic - it's good marketing
Tue, 10/05/2010 - 21:54 — teepackThe people who read this blog most likely have students in the public school system, so it's a great marketing ploy.
this is off topic
Tue, 10/05/2010 - 20:56 — momsateacherbut how long has Ravenscroft been advertising on the WakeEd blog page? Does it strike anyone else as highly ironic that one of the most well know private schools in the county is advertising here at this particular point in time? Just wonderin'...
Could it be a content ad
Tue, 10/05/2010 - 22:12 — user12345Could it be a content ad which gets displayed for certain demographic e.g. affluent with kids.
Their recruiting season
Tue, 10/05/2010 - 22:24 — Solon77This is their recruiting season, ads in the paper, open houses.......
Could be they are feeling the impact of the economy. In my neighborhood 6 kids who went to Ravenscroft last year are going to public schools this year. So far they are happy.
Building stone fences
Tue, 10/05/2010 - 22:35 — Dove314Ravenscroft is too busy building enormous stone fences. Knowing tuition is paying for fences rather than academics would make it easier to choose public schools.
Oh dear....
Tue, 10/05/2010 - 19:29 — Bob_SconceYou can tell that the board is under a lot of stress. They're tackling a lot of issues -- assignment, superintendent search, achievement, accreditation, building, etc...., and all in a time when funding is dwindling. In most districts, the superintendent search and the revised assignment policy, would each, by themselves, consume a huge portion of the board's time.
I don't think this is about any real animosity between Debra and John. I just think they're under a lot of pressure.
Lot of Stress
Wed, 10/06/2010 - 11:37 — Apexcitizen1Bob,
Agree with your assessment but it's mostly self inflicted stress. Disagree with your assessment now about the animosity between Debra and John. John seems to be a bitter man at this point as he let his own ego has gotten the better of him.
Well..
Wed, 10/06/2010 - 14:39 — Bob_SconceSo, I wrote that before the fireworks last night. I hope they patch things up.
The AdvanceEd thing isn't self-inflicted, nor is the Department of Ed complaint -- those were both made up out of whole cloth by the NAACP, although the NAACP appears to be getting an assist from AdvanceEd itself. And, the financial constraints aren't self-inflicted. There is, of course, stress involved in pushing through reforms; that may be self-inflicted, but only in the same way that jumping into the water to save a drowning child is self-inflicted.
I think if JT had ANY
Wed, 10/06/2010 - 17:30 — Andrew95I think if JT had ANY worthwhile research to back up his plan, we wouldn't have to worry about the "NAACP calling the dogs" on the board. I dunno, maybe all the research is secret, but you would think that if he had something to back it up with other than "The old system didn't work", he would.
Hmm..
Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:58 — Bob_SconceLet's pretend, for the sake of argument, that such research (however you want to define it) existed to "back up his plan." What would you expect such research to conclude? I suspect it would be of the form "This assignment policy helps student achievement by . . ."
And that's the fundamental disagreement -- do you try to improve student achievement through an assignment policy, or not? The evidence in Wake County seems pretty clear -- poor students do just as poorly in schools where they are they majority as they do in schools where they are the minority.
Now, that may not jibe with the "mountains" of research that your side claims. And there are only a few possible reasons: (1) that research isn't as strong as your side claims, (2) there's something different about Wake County that makes it qualitatively different from the districts studied by that reasearch, or (3) there is some connection between assignment and achievement, but that connection is drowned out by factors which are far more significant**.
I'll take 1-3
Thu, 10/07/2010 - 11:27 — TrailerParkGirl1) The research uses proximity-based assigned students. Therefore, it shows that students living and going to school in diverse communities do better than students living in and going to school in high-poverty communities. That does not prove that it is the poverty level of the school (rather than their residential community) that matters although it is presented as if it does.
2) See #1. Wake tried to recreate the effect seen in #1 by reassigning students living in high-poverty residential communities to lower poverty schools, but that is not the same thing as having FRL students living in diverse or lower poverty residential communities attending their proximity-based diverse school, so Wake is different. IMO, if anything, the mixed at best results in Wake indicate it may be the poverty level of their residential community, rather than the school itself that they are attending that has an impact.
3) See #1 and #2. Not sure if there is a link between assignment and achievement. Even looking at anecdotal results in Wake suggests that FRL students living in diverse, rather than high poverty, sections of the county and attending the proximity-based diverse school in their community tend to perform better in a number of cases than those being bused, which suggests it is not assignment but other factors.
Maybe if people could get focused on those other factors we could get somewhere instead of spinning in circles.
Thank you...
Thu, 10/07/2010 - 14:53 — Bob_SconceQuite right, of course. One thing to add: I suspect that when those studies talk about "diverse communities," they really mean communities with decent portions of kids both who receive free- or reduced-price lunches and those who don't. That's in opposition to communities where just about everybody is classified as receiving F&R lunches. The studies then compare the performance of the F&R receiving kids in both communities, as if those groups were the same.
But, we have lots of reasons to believe that those two groups of F&R kids are qualitatively different. After all, if everybody in your neighborhood gets free lunches, you are probably much poorer than if your neighborhood is just on the cusp of not needing reduced price lunches at all.
It was my term
Thu, 10/07/2010 - 15:54 — TrailerParkGirlDiverse is my term and yes, I meant in terms of SES/FRL. I’m not sure exactly how the studies term it, however, those that refer to the studies basically say that “research shows that students do better in lower poverty schools than high poverty schools, so the poverty level of the school makes a difference and we have to avoid high-poverty schools, and therefore we should assign/bus for SES diversity.” Not sure how they define lower poverty vs high poverty, so used lower poverty or diverse (somewhere between low and high).
We don’t know that is actually beneficial. I’m not aware of research that compares a control group of students living in a high poverty area and attending a high poverty school there with a group of students living in a high-poverty area and bussed to standard lower poverty school to see if there is a difference in achievement. WCPSS did a small sample study some years ago, which was inconclusive.
What we do know:
Low-income students living in lower poverty areas and attending their community school tend to do better than students living in high poverty area and attending high poverty school (except for high poverty schools that have supports in place that result in closing achievement gaps/improved achievement).
High poverty schools without the supports in place that result in closing achievement gaps/improved achievement don’t do well.
High poverty schools exist that do have the supports in place that have resulted in closing achievement gaps/improved achievement, so it is doable.
So, that leaves two avenues – quit looking to dilution via assignment as the solution and either 1) get the supports in place that result in closing achievement gaps/improved achievement and/or 2) work on diversifying communities.
I'll go with #3
Thu, 10/07/2010 - 10:20 — virginiadareUnderfunding and massive growth.
It's an ASSIGNMENT Model.
Wed, 10/06/2010 - 22:54 — jeffrey1It's an ASSIGNMENT Model. What kind of research do you need? The model is designed to assign kids to school. The only way it could fail is if we somehow failed to assign kids to school.
Are you hoping for something like this:
"Breaking News. The XYZ school district recently implemented a community based school assignment system. However, when school began last year, it was discovered that thousands of kids were not assigned to any school. "I don't know how the model overlooked them," said the XYZ superintendent. "It appears this new fangled assignment model is a complete failure." Let that be a lesson to any school district out there going to a community based assignment model."
You don't think there is any
Tue, 10/05/2010 - 20:25 — woodstockYou don't think there is any animosity? I think there is without a doubt animosity ...and it only going to get worse the more Goldam wants to make her every unfiltered thought known and feed her insatiable desire to direct and micro-manage EVERYTHING ...including telling professional architects how to construct schools.
There is one exception. Goldman is supposed to be managing the Superintendent search ...this, she ignores and offers nothing substantive about the progress. Apparently it is easier to bitch and moan than actually accomplish something.
Oh I don't know
Tue, 10/05/2010 - 21:05 — Bob_SconceReal animosity? I think they have real differences of opinion on a few things. That's to be expected. I think that they're under enough stress that we're not seeing their best sides.
Update: of course, I've been wrong before....
I love all these people
Tue, 10/05/2010 - 18:50 — red_balloonI love all these people living in affluent neighborhoods and espousing 'diversity'.
I love them more than the
Tue, 10/05/2010 - 19:11 — festusI love them more than the ones living in rich neighborhoods who dislike diversity.
I have nothing but contempt
Tue, 10/05/2010 - 19:25 — red_balloonI have nothing but contempt for the 'diversity' farce in WCPSS. Magnet parents, instead of driving to the BOE meetings and lecturing about 'diversity', should drive a u-haul and migrate to bliss in SER (or whatever part of the county suits their definition of 'diversity').
Where are the rich
Tue, 10/05/2010 - 19:25 — woodstockWhere are the rich neighborhoods that dislike diversity? I am unaware of them. Please enlighten me. That sounds a little bigotted.
Prom Queen?
Tue, 10/05/2010 - 18:46 — turnerk1Wow -- I can't believe they are calling each other names now. What a mess.
Yeah, I'm mortified...
Wed, 10/06/2010 - 20:50 — woodstockYeah, I'm mortified... not.
Get a grip. You are shocked by the use of the term Prom Queen, yet fine with Goldman stabbing Tedesco in the back and revoking her support for a direction and process she voted for and many people have spent hundreads of hours working on? You seem to lack perspective.
If JT goes off the cliff,
Thu, 10/07/2010 - 09:26 — user12345If JT goes off the cliff, Goldman is suppose to follow him? No wonder you are against diversity. If you want blind loyalty, join the military.
...
Thu, 10/07/2010 - 13:21 — SideburnsJT was pushed.
He wasn't pushed
Thu, 10/07/2010 - 15:03 — Dove314Classic management failure -- he was so busy doing what he wanted to do and ignoring everything else, that he failed to notice the ever growing sinkhole opening up right under him, even when he was warned and given an opportunity to avoid it.
The mess is this
Tue, 10/05/2010 - 22:41 — g88ky10you will have ZERO idea of where your kids will be going to school after next year's Chuck F Fest ends. Those of you who voted for the Prom Queen can thank her for the continued years of uncertainty that she just shoved up our ^sses this evening. I expected that from Barry White and Mr.
LimpHill, but if you thought you had uncertainty and chaos yesterday, let me know what you find when you get up tomorrow. And do enjoy!The language in the comment
Wed, 10/06/2010 - 19:07 — KeungHui (author)The language in the comment is not appropriate. Please refrain from this kind of language again.
Delete it then!
Wed, 10/06/2010 - 19:59 — g88ky10Before your team puts me in the inactive pile.
Again.
My preference would be for
Wed, 10/06/2010 - 20:01 — KeungHui (author)My preference would be for you to either modify the language yourself or to delete it.
How exactly do you propose I do that?
Wed, 10/06/2010 - 20:30 — g88ky10You see, the inconsistent system that you guys use for this blog allows us to one day modify a post and the next not. I've asked about this very issue more than once, but as is always the case, no one knows ever responds or has a clue. As for deleting it, I've never seen a mechanism in place to do so on this end so feel free.
I have never modified anyone
Wed, 10/06/2010 - 22:27 — KeungHui (author)I have never modified anyone else's post. I've probably deleted maybe four non-spam posts over the past four years after people in question refused to improve their behavior. I'm pretty patient about what you guys post here.
I was under the impression that you could still modify the post. If not, we'll just leave this as is as a request to be more civil in the future.
It seems you cannot modify a
Wed, 10/06/2010 - 20:41 — woodstockIt seems you cannot modify a post after someone replies to it.
Your post raises the
Wed, 10/06/2010 - 17:26 — Andrew95Your post raises the question if the "Be polite" rule on this blog has any teeth. You can make an argument without cursing, you know.
You can also prepare food
Wed, 10/06/2010 - 20:43 — woodstockYou can also prepare food without spices. But why would you want to? Why are you afraid of words?
fear mongering
Tue, 10/05/2010 - 22:47 — sachivalayYou are just fear mongering. Stop now. WCPSS has backbone of good teachers, students, parents and principals. WCPSS will outlast this drama. Go back into your cave.
This comment violated our "polite" policy.
Wed, 10/06/2010 - 20:00 — g88ky10And no one cares anyway.
Seems not to be the case.
Wed, 10/06/2010 - 20:26 — Andrew95Seems not to be the case. Glad that someone's watching.
Shouldn't you be
Wed, 10/06/2010 - 20:31 — g88ky10doing some homework or plotting strategy somewhere? Oh that's right, you've accomplished your mission as of last night.
My mission is documentation,
Wed, 10/06/2010 - 21:53 — Andrew95My mission is documentation, which is also becoming a school project. I do not plot anything, (I'm not much of a leader) and I cannot vote, and so I have no impact other than convincing others of my cause through information. All that happened last night was a soldier finally didn't lock step with the rest of the blind army, and stopped up the system for a little while. There's no evidence that we're moving back towards the old system, which is what I would much rather prefer (with proper audits and changes made for stability).
And I do my homework too, glad you're concerned.
@woodstock
I'm appalled by referring to curses as "spices". I believe that same analogy was made in a spongebob episode by the token idiot. You're allowed to show photos of dissected fetuses to argue against abortion, but don't expect anyone to take you seriously.
This comment will violate the N&O's
Wed, 10/06/2010 - 22:16 — g88ky10"Let's all get along and be happy in a field of flowers" policy.
So I better pass.
For now.
Be appalled or even
Wed, 10/06/2010 - 22:16 — woodstockBe appalled or even "gravely" appalled as Goldman would say, I don't care.
You know the Sponge Bob show has excellent writers (the quote you mentioned was not really that of an "idiot" in case you were confused, they were written for an animated character) so thank you.
As for the fetuses, does reality scare you? Do you think the horror of abortion should be hidden? Do you think people should be sheltered from the truth?
Condensed version: I am OK
Wed, 10/06/2010 - 21:57 — starsonoursCondensed version: I am OK with a failed system as long as everyone uses polite language as the percentage of non-grad's increases.