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Sample zone maps presented and controlled choice discussed

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Here's a quick recap of today's Wake County student assignment committee meeting.

The committee told staff to keep working on four sample maps presented today. Click here for the online story to view the maps.

Staff had presented a fifth map based on dividing the county by zip codes but was told to drop it because it was too messy.

Michael Alves said that Wake could implement controlled choice by dividing the county into equivalent zones that reflect the county's natural diversity. Parents would then request schools with Wake making the final choice based on factors such as capacity and diversity.

Alves said Wake can grandfather students to avoid mass reassignment.

Alves said the zones would need to be built with growth in mind so that they don't have to be redrawn annually.

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Maybe I missed it, but has

Maybe I missed it, but has there been any talk about how magnet applications will fit into the new model?  Today, if a family wins the magnet lottery with their oldest child in kindergarten, they are virtually assured of a magnet education for all of their children.  Will kids from magnet elementary be given preference for admission to magnet middle?

not necessarily under

not necessarily under current policy, depends on the age "gap" between children.  I would hope that with "open" magnets going forward this ALL will change!  change is GOOD!

agreed

agreed

Magnets?

Have they decided not to change current magnets?

Here we go again

I live in Cary, right on the Cary-Apex border. The property line of my backyard is the dividing line between Apex and Cary. I have lived in the neighborhood for 20 years, and the neighborhood has gone to Apex High School since the neighborhood was built. Apex High is about 1 mile from my house. My son currently goes to Apex High and my daughter will start high school in the 2011-2012 school year -- just as the new plan goes into effect.

I received an email a couple of days ago from someone "in the know," that said there is a possibility that my neighborhood would be reassigned to a different high school under whatever new plan is introduced. And these maps seem to bear that out. Although not clear, it looks like the maps show us assigned to Cary High School.

At this point in the education of our children, we had hoped that we could just finish out our years at Apex High. We suffered through several ES years at a "rim" school, comforted by the hopes of returning to our neighborhood schools for MS and HS. We felt fortunate when we finally got to MS. After our first year at MS, the school was one of the 22 converted to MYR, and though we weren't thrilled about that, we were comforted by the fact that, once our oldest got to high school, we would only have two years with the kids on different schedules. Now with one in high school, and one nearly there, we felt we were just one year away from having both kids at the same school and on the same schedule. We would never have to worry about school assignment again. Alas, that may not be the case.

While it is still way too early to "circle the wagons," my wife has already had two sleepless nights, the neighborhood petitions have started, and I'm thinking about real estate in Apex. But being the optimist that I am, I am comforted by the hopes that the final plan will change, or the family-friendly board will provide an option for siblings to attend the same school, or a nice, affordable 3 bedroom will open up in Apex :)

Sleepless

My phone rang until 10 last night with my children's friends Moms asking - where are you going next?

With the 3 zone plans - One I would go to my closest HS, One plan I would pass my closest HS to get to another HS, and the other plan I would go to a HS way in other part of the county.

What a mess.

Are you in an area that is

Are you in an area that is growing or has been reassigned a lot in the past?  I'm wondering because I've not heard any of my neighbors talking about this.  I looked at the maps as a very preliminary look at what could be.  I hate to see people worried about it at this point.

worry

I'm not thrilled with a plan that doesn't show base schools.  Trying to sell a house with a school zone (Millbrook, Sanderson or Leesville HS???) would not be good.  (not that I'm selling anytime soon, but I just don't see it)  And from where we are, going past Leesville to the other schools just doesn't make sense.  And - since my younger son is in private right now, and I'll have to sign him up for HS next year - hopefully he will get priority to be placed where his older sibling is?  So - yes - as soon as they publish something like this, everyone starts to worry.   My action will be to send my 'use case' to the board - hopefully they will run the test cases they receive thru the plans to make sure they make sense.

 

OK - girding my loins for the onslaught from user....  

Base School

I'm not thrilled with a plan that doesn't show base schools. 

This the whole point of controlled choice and how it manages growth. There is no base school, it is a base zone.  Based on the capacity of the school it starts placing students based on the algorithim.  So if you sell your house it could be a crap shoot as to what school the new owners would be granted as their choice. "New" arrivals are at the bottom of the pecking order. In a county such as Wake County that has a lot of churn, it may not be very appealing to new comers.  However, I see a business opportunity.  Wake County could sell a seat at a school.  You could then sell the seat to the new property owners or to some other random person perhaps through an exchange.  

Im with you...

Where will they put new students who missed application window? 'Base' school or school with available seats?

Just a question

but now that the entire country knows what's going on here, why would someone miss the window?

If they relocated to WC

If they relocated to WC after the deadline and have a child they wish to enroll in WCPSS.

Exactly

and to those I'd say sorry, you'll have to wait until next year to start.

If a seat is available then.

Drawing lines will always

Drawing lines will always produce winners and losers .... again, I would prefer circle to ensure as much proximity as possible.   

Too early to worry...

We know a couple of things:

  • This board likes putting people in schools close to their homes
  • This board likes stability in assignment
  • This board likes logical feeder patterns
  • This board likes giving parents the ability to choose their school

It seems to me that if your neighborhood is reassigned to a different base school, your kids will likely have the ability to transfer into Apex.  Some people will certainly be reassigned (otherwise, what's the point?), and you may be among them.  But, let's not impute the previous board's indifference to family needs to the current board.

And so it begins... Got to

And so it begins...

Got to be careful what you ask for.

still not enough

still not enough schools in the right places. Choice will be thin in some areas. Bottom line choice is expensive and will come at the expense of academics. 

hard job

Just looking at these maps, I can see how difficult it will be to come up with any kind of system that would give different areas a similar amount of choice. In all of the proposals there are areas that have significantly more schools in them than others, especially in the proposals that divide the county up into more zones. In one proposal the Leesville High school zone has only one middle school, but at least four large elementary schools. How would all those kids fit into one middle school,? And, then only one middle school is not enough to feed into one high school. Obviously they have a long way to go.

Is Leesville MS missing from the maps?

It seems the "green star" that would indicate Leesville MS was not on any of the maps? Am I looking in the wrong place?

I couldn't find it either -

I couldn't find it either - was hard to get my bearings on the maps.  But LRMS does appear to be missing.

it's there

You have to blow the map up to about 500%, but they do have it there. They've put the three schools together with the high school star on top, but then they have the middle and elementary school underneath that. It's just hard to see.

Probably part of the plan to

Probably part of the plan to eliminate it and move it to Briar Creek. :-)

It may not be on the map but

It may not be on the map but it's on the list of schools by zone for each of the maps. I'll post it tomrrow if it's not up on Wake's site yet.

as is typical, I find

as is typical, I find nothing about this posted on WCPSS website.....any idea of when?  thanks!

I'll do it now before I head

I'll do it now before I head home for the night.
 

Oh!  thanks, but I mean any

Oh!  thanks, but I mean any idea of when WCPSS would post it.....go home, it's late! :)

Tedesco talked about having

Tedesco talked about having it up on Wake's web site. No date set yet. I posted the handout in a separate post that went up a few minutes ago.

Heh...

Hope you enjoyed your break, because it looks like you're paying for it now!

THANKS!!

THANKS!!

I actually thought the same

I actually thought the same thing on some of these maps....

OT- N.C. ranked fourth laziest state

Residents on average each day spend eight hours sleeping, nearly three hours watching TV, about 25 minutes thinking and nearly an hour socializing, according to the study. The average North Carolinian, aged 15 and older, spends nearly three hours working.

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HA HA HA - pretty much describes many of you on this blog.  You know who you are!

 

Edited to add: from WRAL.com

NO

I think they may use the Duke professor to design the algorithm which will weigh the factors of assignment, such as proximity, siblings, capacity, and parental choice. The idea is to grant most parents their first or second choice. Normally, there is a certain percentage of seats left open at every school for non-neighborhood kids, but the percentage could vary based on the number of students, for example in the walk zone. Normally the algorithm would also include a diversity factor but with new board it won't unless they are willing to compromise ad amend their assignment policy.

Two observations ... 1) Is

Two observations ...

1) Is there a zone down route 1 on the lower left corner without a HS?  I don't see a pink triangle unless it is under the ES/MS triangle.  ( to the left of Holly Springs)

2) Look how many schools sit on the lines.  There are going to be a lot of people who will live across the street from a school they can not attend.

Holly Springs HS is there. 

Holly Springs HS is there.  It is under the blue and green triangles.  If you zoom really really big you can see a small part of it :-)

What about the zone to the

What about the zone to the left (pink) ... does not seem to have a HS??

That's the one I'm talking

That's the one I'm talking about.  Zoom it really big and you might get a glimpse of HSHS.   300-400% should do - you can see a tiny sliver of pink at the bottom of the cluster of triangles.

thanks so much ... I went to

thanks so much ... I went to 800% ... found it ..

Middle Creek and Holly

Middle Creek and Holly Springs zones seem a little shy on "choice" however.

Middle Creek has 1 HS, 1MS and 2 or 3 ES.  Holly Springs has 1 HS, 2 MS and 3 ES.

Back on the list - way to go Del, teachers, etc.

Looks like 50% of our HS are on the list ... ( 6% make it on average) ...

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Recalculation Adds Wake High Schools to Best Schools List ....After being inadvertently left off Newsweek magazine’s Best High Schools list, eight Wake County high schools have been added to the roster following a recalculation of the data.

In all, 12 Wake County Public High Schools are on the news magazine’s list of best high schools in the United States. They are:

•Apex
•Middle Creek
•Cary
•Panther Creek
•Holly Springs
•Wakefield
•Millbrook
•Enloe
•Broughton
•Athens Drive
•Leesville Road
•Green Hope

“When we first saw the list, we were alarmed only four of our schools made the list,” said David Holdzkom, assistant superintendent for Evaluation and Research. “Using the Newsweek criteria, we re-examined all WCPSS high schools to see if any met the test used by Newsweek. We discovered eight of our schools had been left off the list in error,” Holdzkom said.

The authors of the story acknowledged the error in their calculations and have reposted the corrected results on their Web page. ....www.newsweek.com/feature/2010/americas-best-high-schools.html

“We have great schools in Wake County, and we want to make sure they get the credit they deserve,” Holdzkom said. Our teachers, administrators and principals have worked hard for these results.”

According to Newsweek, just over 1,600 schools, or about six percent of all the public schools in the U.S., made the list.

Thanks for posting!

Endless applause!

Maps

I have looked at the maps and it looks like 3 of the maps has my address assigned to different High Schools. How confusing.

Three different maps have

Three different maps have your address assigned to three different high schools. Did I understand that correctly? If yes, what were you expecting given each map represents a different model?

While there are no official

While there are no official favorites, the vibe from today is that they're more interested in the high school feeder pattern map as it's based largely on current assignments. In developing the map, the staff took the non-contiguous high school nodes and assigned them to a contigous zone for "planning" purposes.

Well, for a controlled

Well, for a controlled choice model, they are not providing much choice at all for most of Southwest Wake with that map.  They all have 1 HS and 1 or 2 MS.  Seems like the zones are too small.

What if...

your HS assignment doesn't make sense to begin with? After looking at these maps the only one that would not actually put me at any school in my community where I live, shop, play sports, go to church etc. is the model by current HS assignment. (this due to the changes in the current 3 year plan)

View maps where exactly

I don't find any map or link in the online story. Do I need more coffee?

The maps are there. Once you

The maps are there. Once you click on the link, look for the maps under the related content section on the right side of the page.

No-More tequila in you case!

Actually, I know where you are coming from.  The link from this post does not get you there.

Get to the link starting from the N&O home page.  Big story..you will see the maps in a special box.

I thought they were paying

I thought they were paying some Duke professor to put together the assignment plan?

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