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Revising what will be shared with superintendent candidates

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With some judicious editing, candidates for Wake County schools superintendent will find out what the public thinks about the search process.

As noted in today's article, George Conway, the team leader from Heidrick & Struggles, said participants in the feedback sessions cited improving the public image of the school system as one of the challenges facing the new superintendent. It's part of a report shared with the board's superintendent search committee on Monday.

The report will also be shared with candidates. But some of the wording will be eliminated or modified after board members raised concerns.

Several of the changes were made after concerns were raised by board member Deborah Prickett.

For instance, Prickett questioned the wording about improving the school system's public image. This came after Conway and Dale Jones, a vice chairman of Heidrick, talked about how participants raised concerns about the school system's image at the sessions.

Jones said that people they interviewed said that the school system isn't broken but that public trust has been. Conway added that they weren't necessarily laying it at the feet of the board.

Conway also cited how teachers who met with Heidrick said they were fearful about what could be happening in Wake. He said it struck him as an "undifferentiated fear."

Without "airing public laundry," Conway said they decided to go with the wording about improving Wake's public image.

Conway said that people are seeing the school system in the press in a way they hadn't seen it before. He said they now want a positive public face.

Prickett questioned whether it's a public relations thing.

Conway said that if the wording is confusing they'll take it out of the report.

At Prickett's questioning, the reference to magnet schools will also be removed from the report, The report lists as a challenge "maintains the most effective programs of Wake County, including the Magnet Schools, without compromising a quality educational experience for all students."

Prickett argued that magnet schools might be called something else in other districts. The final report now won't specify examples of effective programs.

Prickett said she was also concerned about the words "improve engagement with County officials" as one of the challenges listed.  Prickett praised Tony Gurley, chairman of the board of commissioners, while citing how the commissioners had recently given the school board the funding it had asked for and approved the purchase of the Rolesville High School site.

Prickett said the wording in the report could be interpreted to mean a negative thing.

Conway said they weren't implying that the school board has a bad relationship with the county. He said they were trying to say the relationship needs to be deepened as the economy worsens.

Conway said they'd work on revising that particular wording.

Some other sections were also questioned by board members but it was less clear what changes, if any, might be made.

School board chairman Ron Margiotta said he's concerned that the list of qualifications for superintendent includes "have a record of bridging achievement gaps." He said that might be construed as meaning only educators should apply.

Jones said that business people and people in the military can demonstrate how they've closed achievement gaps in their fields. Conway said they carefully worded that to not say student achievement gaps.

Margiotta said he agrees with the premise behind the qualification of "have a nuanced understanding of the history and current issues of WCPSS." But he suggested revising the wording because it might deter an applicant who's not from around here.

Board member Debra Goldman, chairwoman of the search committee, said that she was concerned about wording in the challenges section about "ensures all students are prepared for the next level of education." She said that doesn't take into account students in career and technical education who may not plan on going to college after high school graduation.

The whole issue of wording came up because Conway said they wanted to share the report with the candidates. Goldman said the report was envisioned as providing information to the board, not to the candidates.

Conway said the report would help provide candidates with a balanced and "objective voice" about what they face in Wake. He said it won't scare away "seasoned educators" while the firm will also be trying to recruit non-educators.

"This is a hopeful piece," Conway said of the report. "I don’t think people will read it and run away screaming.”

After discussion, the committee agreed to provide a revised report to the candidates. Goldman said they'll leave the wordsmithing for the concerns raised by the board to Heidrick because it's the firm who was in the feedback sessions.

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Jones said that people they

Jones said that people they interviewed said that the school system isn't broken but that public trust has been

I think that sums up the new board's achievements so far.  

The old BOE gained the trust

The old BOE gained the trust of those who were favored. It is but natural that they now feel their trust violated.

That must have been a

That must have been a majority than to make the list of concerns now.  True leaders would have gained the trust of everyone.

And the presence of a Judas

And the presence of a Judas does what?

You seem to favor

You seem to favor totalitarianism.

I favor magnets at

I favor magnets at non-magnets.

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Under that prinicple, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson & Franklin D. Roosevelt would not qualify as "true leaders." 

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I think most people trusted Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson & Franklin D. Roosevelt ... otherwise why would 360k men have died following Lincoln, or let TJ spend $11M for the Louisiana Purchase or 400k men have dies following FDR ... This group's only power comes from a slim 5-4 majority ...  I don't recall any of the leaders you mention as going to war with a 5-4 vote.

Really?

I suggest that you look up some history on the Civil War, especially how the South felt about Lincoln.  He was certainly not trusted by all people. 

FDR faced enormous opposition to the New Deal, but he rammed it through anyway (remember his threat to pack the court?)   And, Jefferson certainly didn't bridge the gap with the Federalists -- the Louisiana Purchase narrowed passed through the House on a 59-57 split.

Sometimes, leaders have to lead despite opposition.

hmm .. I never thought of

hmm .. I never thought of Lincoln as the president of the Confederacy so I don't know why you would think Southerns would trust him or why he would seek their consensus since he declared war on them .  ... the consultant said people had lost faith in the new board .. again, I never thought of people losing faith in the the leaders you mention,  Sorry, relying on a 5-4 vote is not leadership ...

So...

The Confederate States were part of the Union before they left, which happened after Lincoln's election -- he sure wasn't able to get them to agree about anything.  Then, 4 more states left after Ft. Sumpter.  My point is that there were a set of people whose trust he could not gain, but it didn't make him less of a leader.

As to who started the war.... I'm not diving into that here -- no need to start another war.

But could he get the country

But could he get the country he actually was the president of to commit the men and materials to fight?  I hope you are not in any way saying these guys are the FDRs or Lincolns of the world?

Ominous warning ...

Conway said the report would help provide candidates with a balanced and "objective voice" about what they face in Wake. 

Hmmm

I would not insult them by accusing them of being mini-FDRs.  My point is that you cannot measure leadership by whether you can get everybody to agree with you.

Participants in feedback session

Do you happen to know the make up ? Was this just a cross section of people who decided to show up ?

The list of groups that had

The list of groups that had private feedback sessions is in the report. Obviously anyone could show up for the public meetings.

strange

"maintains the most effective programs of Wake County, including the Magnet Schools, without compromising a quality educational experience for all students."

The effectiveness of the magnet program is built on compromising a quality educational experience for other students. WCPSS' magnet strategy entails pitting schools and parents against each other and needs the non-magnet component to offer a less than quality educational experience. If this job requirement remains in place and a candidate steps forward, I would have to assume the candidate is not familiar with WCPSS' magnet programs.

It is quite common to

It is quite common to allocate resources unequally to get a better total outcome ... so, magnets get something extra so parents will put up with the inconvenience of sending their kids to a school further away.  The schools system gets to rebalance enrollment voluntarily to better manage the enrollment of individual schools.  I look at like the choice to spend more on Special Ed students [$24k] (who I know are protected by law so some will argue we do not have a choice) over non-SE [$8k] students to compensate for their greater needs ... again, everyone does not get the same as a result of a policy (or law) that tries to skew resources to attain a broader goal (e.g. efficient space planning, extra needs of SE).  

I would not say magnets "compromise" a quality educational experience.  Every student gets a sufficient education to participate in society ... that is the nature of "public" education = sufficient  ... electives like dance and drama are not essential nor compromise quality for non-magnet students.  In fact, most charter schools and private ones like Thales do not offer the extras and do not compromise quality.

You should read up on

You should read up on Massengill's pernicious strategy before making an argument that magnets are not detrimental to non-magnets in WCPSS.

There is a difference  between extra funding for a special ed student vs. an indisciplined student. I am more malleable on the former count. For the latter, I would like to see a partnership between the school system and the parents and students.

User, how do you feel

User, how do you feel magnets and non-magnets compare at the HS level?  I get the sense that much of the fuel for the debate come from people who think magnet HS give far more college prep courses and training whereas their non-magnet HS are restricted from even approaching that arena.  I would personally love to see all HS become magnets with the breadth of offering there and nothing at the ES but basics; MS magnet operations financed if there is any fed/local magnet money left.  At least having all magnet (no non-magnet) HS would equalize the curriculum where it counts for graduation stats, dropout prevention, etc. and would give every single WCPSS student a chance to be a magnet student.  It seems to me to be the only compromise that makes sense anymore. 

My older daughters (four in

My older daughters (four in all) went to Apex and Green Hope which are considered "good" schools.  They could have gone to Enloe but for me it was too far.   As a parent, Enloe gives a little extra in exchange for a longer ride and the offer was just not good enough ... and I do not resent or envy any of her friends who took the opportunity to attend Enloe or Broughton ... they actually made my daughter's class less crowded so thank you ... mind you if WCPSS had guaranteed every Enloe graduate would be admitted to an Ivy League school with a full scholarship, I would have driven across the state each day, had them wear uniforms, go to school on Saturday, and picked them up early on Wednesday ... what ever it took ...

I would like to see every school be a "good" school first.  After that, I would like to add some fun and diversity (is that a bad word?) like IB / VoTech / Themed (math / science / arts) if we can afford it.  I would like to see every school have something special about it that generates interest and pride.  But step one is to end the disparity and get every kids across the finish line.

If every HS is a magnet,

If every HS is a magnet, then no HS is a magnet.

But every HS would be

But every HS would be delivering the BEST education possible for ALL the eventual graduating students.  The themed academy approach appeals to many.  If there were a smattering of IB, Arts theme, Science/math/computer theme, a Vo-Tech, keep the Early Wake schools if they are working, etc.  Every HS would offer great curriculum that every eventual student could gain from and we would shed our cloak of magnet disparity while delivering quality education.  Students would gravitate to the school because of the themed subject content not because of its location.  Mr. Alves said you have to make your schools good to attract the students.  I just see the HS model providing a level of inclusiveness that could finally unite the county while improving performance on the back-end of the educational process for many students that have not had any exposure to magnet-type classes.

Magnet Disparity

The magnet disparity appears to be mainly coming from the ES and MS parents. By the time you get to high school, the guiding factor is AP offerings.  When you are trying to get into one of the country's top colleges/universities the fluff electives are not a priority for these students. 

With regards to Enloe, it can hurt you as well as help you. Admission officers and Scholarship committees look at class rank in addition to GPA and other factors. A 4.4 GPA at Enloe allows you to break the top 30% class rank. The same 4.4 at Sanderson, Leesville, Millbrook .... will get you in the top 5%.  I know parents who did not apply to Enloe for this very reason - to improve their class rank. 

I don't know about magnet

I don't know about magnet and non-magnet disparities at the MS and HS levels but at the ES level it borders on the outrageous.

BTW, is the 70th percentile rank at Enloe based on the ED + NED population? Or just NED?

I think he used the term

I think he used the term "magnet" colloquially but probably meant an institution that offers enhanced opportunities.

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T. Keung Hui covers Wake schools.

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