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Reviewing transfer rules for student athletes

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The Wake County school system may loosen up the guidelines allowing student athletes to transfer to other high schools.

During today's school board policy committee meeting, committee chairwoman Debra Goldman raised concerns about the section in the board's transfer policy that says transfer students may not be allowed to participate in high school athletics. If you get a transfer, you could potentially be barred from playing athletics for 365 days.

That section of policy is meant to prevent high schools from competing with each other for athletes. There have been scandals at schools in other districts over the issue.

This section of policy typically comes up when high school students are reassigned and request transfers to stay at their current school. Typically the student is allowed to still play at his/her old school as long as the principals of the new and old schools and Bobby Guthrie, senior administrator for athletics, sign off.

The R&P for the policy says that "a student requesting an appeal shall be required to demonstrate clear and convincing evidence, in writing, that athletics has played no part in requesting a transfer."

But as a practical matter, Guthrie told board members today he's only rejected three or four requests for transfer students to play athletics in the past eight years. He said he did it in cases where the students incriminated" themselves by telling others they were transferring because of athletics.

Goldman argued that the current policy and R&P are forcing students to lie that they're not requesting the transfer for athletics.

Goldman also said the policy doesn't give latitude for students who want to transfer because their assigned school doesn't have the sport they want to play on. For instance, she said some high schools don't offer lacrosse.

The end result of today's discussion is that the committee agreed to, for now, recommend a minor change in the wording. They recommended that the headline of 6203.8 be amended to say "transfer students may not be allowed to participate in high school athletics without an appeal."

The wording change is supposed to make it more clear to parents they can appeal to have their kids play athletics after getting a transfer.

On the wider issue of giving students more leeway to request transfers for athletic reasons such as a sport not being offered, staff was asked to look into the issue more and report back to the full board.

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This is ridiculous!! You

This is ridiculous!! You can already appeal these situations, did Goldman not understand that? Did her schools already get complaints from coaches about losing their starting 5 to their "neighborhood" school?? If going to a school outside their neighborhood in a more affluent area is so awful that they are blocking kids into zones already, why should Goldman want to harm these kids?
If you guys want to see the pitfalls and nastiness that can come from high school athletics out of area recruitment, look up the recent Guilford county schandals.

Soccer better

You have got to be kidding soccer and lacrosse parents are the worst. They are spoiled little rich kids that think they know everything and the coaches are pure idiots. This is the problem with all of the students today. They don't know how to work for anything and they expect to get an award for it.

OH, THIS IS GOING TO BE GOOD ...

NO .. NO .. keep the ill-fated neighborhood zones devoid of transfers. Period ! If the School Board caves in what will result is high school coaches will start recruiting kids and seeking transfers from, the horror, Southeast Raleigh neighborhoods, because they can jump higher and run faster. No .... leave all students, including athletes, at their neighborhood school..... no exceptions.

gravity gap

To keep things fair maybe WCPSS can initiate a transfer of white boys who can't jump to SE Raleigh and start a programme to close the jump gap between F&R and "affluent" vertical leaps?

So if you can transfer to

So if you can transfer to another school because you want to play a sport that your school doesn't offer, does this mean you can transfer to another school because your school doesn't offer a course you might want to take? I think this is opening a big can of worms.

That's already in place in

That's already in place in the transfer policy that high school students can request a transfer for a specific academic program or a course of study. It doesn't mean your request will be granted. But if it is, you have to stay in the course and keep up your grades to keep the transfer.

How often do they grant transfers for academic requests?

A friend of a friend requested transfer to study Chinese.  Although he's already taken Chinese in a Sunday school and demonstrated transcripts and completed homework for several years, his application was denied.

Oh, this is going to be good...

talk about opening Pandora's Box....let's see SE Raleigh already sends it's coaches to all the middle schools because they are a countywide magnet and upsets coaches and principals.

So because an athlete (read that parent) doesn't like a coach they can transfer...oh I forgot, that's not it.....it's because they want to join JROTC.......or take Latin or some other course that their high school doesn't offer. After all it's my kid and I know he/she will get a scholarship to Carolina or (fill-in the blank) if he participates with Coach A or B. Too bad coaches don't read this....you'd have 1000 comments

Shades of the 70's/80's when Garner recruited from the western border of Johnston County (allegedly). Why do you think they have those nice athletic fields.

"So because an athlete (read

"So because an athlete (read that parent) doesn't like a coach they can
transfer."

 The way I understand it, it's just the opposite.  An athlete does like a coach, so he can transfer.

It seems like changing this wording would be mostly a response to people reassigned from Garner to SER who want to "transfer"  back to Garner.

I agree...

The board does need to be careful -- I have nephews who are very much into league basketball and I am constantly amazed at the lengths parents will go to get their kid onto the right team, or into the right league, and the degree to which the leagues accommodate them with complex rules like "Your team has to be composed of students in 7th grade, except that you cannot have more than three kids who are age 15 or older."

A big part of the problem is hyper-competitive parents living vicariously through their kids.   The paranoid NYC parents trying to get their kids into the "right" pre-school have nothing on suburban North Carolina sports parents.

AMEN BROTHER.

we found something on which we agree (2nd paragraph). That's scary...... now guess which "sport" most principals would remove if they had a chance (hs or ms)...but I've given you too many hints..".."

Hmm...

I'm guessing either Football or Basketball -- I've seen the same attitude in each.  Soccer is still competitive, but doesn't seem as bad -- there aren't too many middle-age men trying to live out their childhood soccer memories through their kids.

Nope

cheerleading.......girls are prima donnas and so are the mothers

It seems like the board, or

It seems like the board, or at least Goldman, is more interested in the unique cases where a sport isn't offerred as opposed to a widespread elimination of the transfer rules for athletes. She also wants to make it clearer to parents their kids can get transfers to avoid reassigment and still play high school athletics.

Other than

lacrosse I can't think of too many high schools who don't offer the same sports...maybe not JV but certainly varsity assuming they can field enough athletes.. ah maybe the "semi-pro"10th grader from Wakefield..who if transfered to Heritage will endure significant hardship (i.e. having the crap beat out of him on the football field) for 2-3 years. 

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T. Keung Hui covers Wake schools.
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