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Reversing conversions being considered

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Rescinding the year-round conversions is now officially on the school board's table.

School board members asked Chuck Dulaney, assistant superintendent for growth and planning, today to come up with a scenario for the next building program that would reverse some of the conversions. He's expected to report back next month with schools that could be switched back to a traditional calendar.

The thing to keep mind is that the board is looking at reversing a few conversions, not all 22.

Click here for the online story.

Lori Millberg talked about reversing one or two schools. Beverley Clark talked about three or four schools.

It's looking like the converted schools in Apex and Knightdale have a better chance of being reversed. Millberg said they may have underestimated how heavily concentrating the conversions could have led to empty seats in those areas.

Board members cited the slowdown in growth with justifying the need to reconsider the conversions. They repeatedly insisted that the conversions were not a failure.

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Parents Ponder The Future Of Year-Round Schools

http://wake.mync.com/site/wake/news%7CSports%7CLifestyles/story/9368/parents-ponder-the-future-of-year-round-schools

Snark Alert**

Folks! -- get angry at the RIGHT people. The only reason families are denied entry to y/r schools (voluntary application) is because of WCPSS POLICY! Not because of pro-t/c families, not because of the pool guy, not because families like Sat/Sun for QT. WCPSS POLICY tells you you're either too poor or too rich or too white or too black to be accepted to a SCHOOL OF YOUR CHOICE. So, blame WCPSS for putting diversity above the needs of families, above family/parent CHOICE, and above their own SWORN OBLIGATION to put EDUCATION first.

The above reasons and the above people are SOLELY responsible for the ridiculous set of circumstances Wake County parents are forced deal with.

The PTB are THRILLED that parents who want y/r are pitting themselves against parents that are pro-t/c. The more you fight EACH OTHER, the less enegry/time you have to spend finding out the TRUTH about where and whom you should be fighting.

Apex area

"Millberg said they may have underestimated how heavily concentrating the conversions could have led to empty seats in those areas."

REALLY!?!? Converting 4 of the 5 elementary schools in Apex was a bad idea...THAT'S WHAT WE SAID! Why were the MYR "concentrated" anywhere!!

The sad thing is that its the kids that pay for it...by more reassignments and changes. ARGH!!

Was anyone at the meeting

Was anyone at the meeting this afternoon to hear if any schools were specifically mentioned?

Schools

No specific schools were mentioned. Check the blog tomorrow morning for a post on the situation.

Don't Declare Victory Yet

First, I hope that everyone will remember WakeCARES and their lawsuit which is now going to the NC Supreme Court. These people need money to keep fighting for us -- log onto their web site and donate!
And... I personally don't take the school board's decision to put this on the agenda at face value. Other than RonM, remember how manipulative these people are, and remember that they are never willing to admit they made a mistake. Don't be surprised if staff comes back with an answer that can be deemed impractical or unaffordable by the board.

Don't Believe Wake Cares

Yes, I gave Wake Cares my money.  I read their website and believed that they were genuine.  All they are about is reversing year round conversions.  What did I read?  "We are dedicated to minimizing...lack of calendar options"  "Wake CARES is committed to...providing the highest quality education available, in a consistent and uniform manner, to all of the students in Wake County" "To create and maintain a school system in which...each student is provided a uniform and equal opportunity"  Well, they did succeed in giving families assigned to YR schools the guaranteed right to transfer to traditional schools, but have done nothing to help families assigned to traditional schools the guaranteed right to transfer to YR.

I thought that they would fight for my neighborhood to have equal access to the YR calendar.  Instead, their lawsuit was all about reversing YR conversions.  If that is all you care about, by all means give them your money.  If you care about providing equal access to all programs to all families to all of the educational opportunities available to Wake County residents, don't give them a dime.  Our neighborhood continues to be denied access to the YR schools, and Wake Cares hasn't spent a dime to help to help those of us in our situation.

????????????

"...highest quality education available, in a consistent and uniform manner"

OK = Goal of no Magnets and everyone the same type of calendar. I agree !

BTW = Traditional is the norm for most of the nation.

If you care about providing

If you care about providing equal access to all programs to all families to all of the educational opportunities available you have to move to another district. Not in this county.

 

You know, on the other hand, it is much more painful to some families to be on a forced MYR schedule compared with not getting a desired YR spot. Most of the country operates just fine on a Traditional calendar.

Unless there is a proven cost-saving, I as a taxpayer, do not wish to oblige the parents willing to take their children to Disney during off-season.

Comments like this don't help your argument

"You know, on the other hand, it is much more painful to some families to be on a forced MYR schedule compared with not getting a desired YR spot. "

More painful how? MTC is every bit as unpeasant as MYR if it's not what you want. Who are you to decide that your pain is worst than someone else's?

You know I could just as easily say that I as a taxpayer don't wish to oblige parents who wish to close our school for the summer so they can hang out at the pool.

Hmm... Actually,

Hmm... Actually, traditional schedule is not what I really want... I would rather have schools be out on Wednesday and Thursday but open on Saturday/Sunday.

 I as a taxpayer don't wish to oblige parents who wish to have quality time with their children on weekends. They could even hang out at the pool...

Yes, it's all about the pool

Hey NWRaleighMom:  How dare you decide that I can't spend quality time with my children on weekends.   I might have to sue you for suggesting that.   :)

You'd think that after 2 years of this people would understand that it is so NOT about the pool...

Calendar choice should be calendar CHOICE.  Because 2 people want a different calendar doesn't make one person right and the other wrong.

If TRUE choice was offered, we'd all be able to do something besides continually FIGHTING for our families with this MYR MESS.

Novel

That is a most curiously novel counter-argument I've read here. Let me try it. It is painful to me, as an American, that I don't have the choice to converse in Polish with whomever I want in America.

OK, so that might be painful, but my expectations are, well, odd and irrelevant.

Your pool comment; you could say it, but good thing you didn't. It would have sounded snarky, and like you don't understand what it's like to raise a family.

If Year Round is so Great then

Why do less than 5% of the nations schools use that schedule? Why have so many converted back that tried? You have the wrong idea if you think it's about pools -very faulty logic. The schools themselves go downhill due to inadequate staff. The children's social life suffers too. For working families, the burden can be heavy. Voluntary YR is OK, but not mandatory.

D-uh

If you are incapable of reading the WakeCARES web site correctly, then you should be spending your money on improving your literacy skills.  WakeCARES never had a mission to guarantee VYR availability.

Placing the blame

Make sure you blame the right people for your inability to get a YR seat. WCPSS are the ones denying you -- not WakeCARES. What exactly are you doing about this besides complaining??

 

 

Well said

I couldn't exact follow the criticism as it appears to say "I didn't get what I wanted" which I didn't read as a goal for WakeCARES. WC brought us much further down the road of frustrating the nightmare that is WCPSS than anything else, including the non-parental supportiving BoE(eR), which should be the first recourse. You can't please everyone.

Supportiving?

Who's old enough to remember Alexander Haig's curious use English? I think "supportiving" qualifies.

perhaps along the lines of

perhaps along the lines of "truthiness"??

Wake Cares has PROVEN that they DO care

I think Sideburns and Dadof3 are exactly correct.  Wake Cares has helped everyone.  Without Judge Manning's ruling WCPSS would be able to force EVERYONE to attend YR schools.  Some families have actually been able to opt-out into a traditional option that isn't unrealistic or unappealing, so THOSE people did win.   Wake Cares' actions have appeared to me to be FOR the families of Wake County and not just their own.  Maybe I didn't personally gain anything by the ruling, but I do appreciate all that Wake Cares has done for Wake County's families.

I totally agree with Lisa. I

I totally agree with Lisa. I appreciate what WakeCares has done although I did not gain anything personally. My kids probably even are in disadvantage - their traditional schools gained more tham their fair share of opted-out F&R students.

WHO CARES!

NOT INTERESTED in the have and have nots of MYR and "some" reversed conversions.

It's a TOTAL FAILURE just like you Chuck Koresh, Del d d d dumbo, Rose Petals, Lawyer wannabe Lori, China Patti, is it Bev or Beverley?,
Ela aka: the goat, Momma Mayor and the rest of you...

Reversing some WILL NOT pass a bond because we'll just take it up a notch.
And we have LOTS of notches to go!

Grow some or borrow Hillary's, but have the backbone to treat us ALL equally or look for another lawsuit coming your way RIGHT AFTER the bond fails!

What say you Ann Goodnight and Ed lying Bonner???

Playground taunts and

Playground taunts and vulgarity do not equal reasoning and logic. 

WE TOLD YOU SO!

Yes, that's right. Once upon a time, parents protested, wrote letters, made phone calls, attended meetings and gave speeches all to point out one simple fact: MYR WILL NEVER WORK. Now we can gleefully say,

WE TOLD YOU SO.

Hungry?

Carrot, meet Stick. Stick, meet Carrot.

You hungry? You can have the Carrot if you vote YES on the next school bond.

What is it going to do to

What is it going to do to multi-year assignment plan?
Looks like they will be forced to unconvert several more schools every year. Some of the pain could've been eliminated if they would not have opened four new schools on year-round calendar...

Don't kid yourselves...

Don't kid yourselves. The 22 conversions were never about growth and planning. They were about getting one step closer to a MYR district. The more % of total schools they could get on MYR, the more to county as a whole would be geared toward the YR calendar and trad. calendar kid's and parents would suffer. The more they suffered, the greater support they "might" provide to converting their school too. Converting 1-4 schools is a smoke screen, a diversion, a ploy to gain bond support. Its a lot of things but its not correcting a wrong (in their eyes). If the WAKECARES lawsuit fails, the BoE will be right back on track toward MYR for all.

Oh no. ITB would never agree

Oh no. ITB would never agree to MYR district. Actually, I would even agree to MYR district IF magnets are eliminated and all kids are assigned to the nearest school.

yes it does all rest on the

yes it does all rest on the Supreme Court decision now....I think that's why the BoE have stalled it this far...I meant the Growth and Planning Dept. where this originated, NOT that is was ABOUT growth and planning, it's not about that except to balance schools by F&R%.

 MYR for the whole has actually been "in the works" for years, found some old minutes from meetings and CEM notes that mention it as far back as 00 or 02 (cant' put my hands on it at the moment but it's there)

I know what you meant big. 

I know what you meant big.  I wasn't directing my comment to you (or anyone else in particular).  I just wanted to make sure we don't take the bait here and get off track argueing over the bread crumbs the BoE(eR) is tossing out.

Call it what you like Bob,

Call it what you like Bob, it won’t change the little smirk on my face….

Reversing the conversions

Reversing the conversions will not make everyone happy. What about those of us that were in YR and had to return to "base" when the base school was converted to YR? I had K's then now I have 2nd graders. I like the year round schedule and have a child in YR middle school. Am I supposed to switch schools again for either my 2nd graders or middle schooler? Will I even be able to continue YR if my school is reconverted to traditional? It's not any easier to undo the conversions that it was to do them.

and thus the chaos and

and thus the chaos and mismanagement that is WCPSS/BoE (eR)

you could go to a split schedule with a Traditional ES and YR middle schooler like so many other families the school system has screwed.  and it's not a personal insult, just a very real example of just how badly Growth and Planning and the BoE miscalculated deespite OVERWHELMING evidence to the contrary that MYR wasn't needed.

"Not a Failure"

Methinks somebody's pride is getting wounded here. Let's take pity on them and just call it an unmitigated non-success.

pity?

only or unless they take PITY ON THE PARENTS and FAMILIES affected by their "not" failure and switch them back!

Psychology 101

"They repeatedly insisted that the conversions were not a failure."
Whenever you repeat the same thing over and over, you're trying to convince yourself (along with everyone else) that what you are saying is true when you know its not.
I'm actually feeling some measure of relief and satisfaction knowing they, the BoE(eR), are suffering unconsciously from their own failures.

Millberg said they may have

Millberg said they may have underestimated ...

YA think?!?! OMG, can the pap they put out be any more pathetic? it IS a ploy for the bond, and I hope people won't fall for it.....

OK, while the "real" numbers

OK, while the "real" numbers reflect that ALL 22 conversion were unnecessary, tweedle dee and tweedle dumb are suggesting any where from 1 to 4 schools will be reversed. Keep you token gestures to yourself! They will not help you with the bond.

so this should be any

so this should be any different than any other CF by the BoE(eR)????

oh what fun this will be to

oh what fun this will be to watch - who potentially gets reversed and who doesn't.  Talk about a CF. 

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