Don't look for a thick stack of studies explaining why the Wake County school board majority made the decision to scrap the diversity policy in favor of community-based schools.
As noted in today's article, the response Wake sent this week to AdvancED about the information used for making the policy switch consisted of a four-paragraph response. No studies accompanied the letter.
Wake was meeting a Friday deadline to to turn over a wide range of documents or risk immediate loss of accreditation of the high schools.
Back in July, AdvancED had requested, among other things:
"A copy of any and all information and studies considered along with a list of any and all sources consulted with by the Board and Board members in reaching the decision to adopt the policy enacting a Community Based Assignment Plan. Please include any and all student performance data, transition plan impact studies, financial impact studies and specific case studies supporting the conclusion that the Community Based Assignment Plan will create improve the schools in Wake County that are accredited by AdvancEd."
Wake's initial response was to question why they wanted the documentation.
"The Board’s overriding concern is that your request seems to have little, if anything, to do with the accreditation status of individual high schools in Wake County,” school board attorney Ann Majestic wrote in a Sept. 8 letter to AdvancED. “Instead, they strongly suggest that AdvancED wishes to second guess the merits of the Board’s decision to transition to a community-based school assignment plan."
Amid grumbling, Wake responded with this letter this week by interim Superintendent Donna Hargens:
“There is no one set of information considered by board members in deciding to shift to a community-based assignment plan – the information varies by the members who voted in favor of this change. Four of the members who approved the change had just been elected by large margins in campaigns where changing the student assignment plan was a core issue. Thus, it is fair to say that information coming from “stakeholders” who were dissatisfied with the prior student assignment plan was a factor for some board members. Certainly personal experience was also a factor for many board members who are parents or grandparents of students in the school system. Student performance and financial information were also considered by board members.
The core beliefs underlying the change to a community-based student assignment plan are reflected in the enclosed “Resolution Establishing Board Directive for Community Based School Assignments” adopted by the Board on March 1, 2010. The resolution outlines the Board’s beliefs and commitments, including a commitment to the highest educational results for all children regardless of race, creed, economic status or nationality and the use of objective, data-driven decision making; and a belief that all stakeholders benefit from a strong sense of community and that stability and continuity play a critical role in the positive development and support of children, families and communities.
The Board’s resolution recognizes that a new plan will require 9-15 months to develop and will require input from stakeholders, staff and planning and zoning officials. The resolution also identifies key features to be included in the plan, including a multi-year transition; respect for the community and institutional history while being innovative and mindful of future growth; a commitment to a high quality education for all children; logical feeder patterns for schools and school and calendar options for families; effective and efficient use of facilities and other resources; and better alignment of internal management systems.
The Student Assignment Committee is undertaking the task of developing a proposed plan within the parameters established by the Board. The Committee is reviewing and will consider a wide range of information and data pertaining to student performance, resource utilization, transition options and other relevant matters. The Committee is also seeking and reviewing ongoing input from stakeholders and will schedule seven public hearings across the district in January and February 2011 to receive feedback from the public."
Most of Wake's responses to the other questions consisted of a thick packet of attachments. The four paragraphs above was the sum total of Wake's response about the data used for the switch.
School board member John Tedesco said they didn't have enough time to include stuff such as student performance data in the package that was sent overnight Thursday to AdvancED. He said they just don't have some of the other data such as financial impact studies.
But Tedesco said it was "too premature" to have financial data when they're still setting up how they'll operate the new model.
Supporters of the old diversity policy have often contended that the board majority didn't have the data and studies to back the change in assignment policy. But Tedesco says there are no studies showing that Wake's diversity policy helped the low-income students who were being bused.

Comments
Can't you see...
Sun, 10/03/2010 - 15:00 — bpuli9999that they are just trying to fix a broken system? Isn't it enough for you that they are telling you it is broken? And that the Wake County School system is amongst the worst in the country? Wait about 10 years. Everything will be fixed by then. Don't ask silly questions till then.
Haven't they suffered enough? Look at them - they went to the broken school system - and what failures in life they turnded out to be! They just want to make it all better for their kids and not turn out into the losers like them. I sincerely think they should be given a chance.
"And that the Wake County
Sun, 10/03/2010 - 15:29 — woodstock"And that the Wake County School system is amongst the worst in the country?"
You joke, but consider this. NC ranks in bottom third nationally for schools, and in terms of graduating ED students, Wake County ranks near the bottom in NC -- about 100 school systems in NC do better than Wake with this student population. Unfortunately, in terms of our most vulnerable students Wake is, in fact, amongst the worst in the country.
Fraudulent statistic
Sun, 10/03/2010 - 16:56 — Solon77As you, Margiotta and others have stated many times - ED is a fraudulent statistic so why do you still cling to it as a way to justify the cause ?
Nice deflection ...yet
Sun, 10/03/2010 - 20:05 — woodstockNice deflection ...yet again. We have to use the status quo's definition, it is the only common language we have. I've asked you before, and you have yet to answer, what should the ED definition be and how would you verify it...or should there even be one...? I"ll keep waiting for your response.
Deflection?
Sun, 10/03/2010 - 20:49 — Solon77Yeah that is what I thought. BTW - the new BOE is now the status quo. Looking forward to the metrics to measure success.
Again, what is your
Sun, 10/03/2010 - 21:05 — woodstockAgain, what is your definition of diversity, how do you verify it and how to you achieve it?
Also, what are the metrics that describe the success of the policies you so desperately want to cling to. Simple question, what are they? Tell me what you are fighting for. If you cannot articulate your position any better than you are doing, you should reconsider where you stand.
Interesting data
Sun, 10/03/2010 - 14:29 — virginiadareThe link shows lots of very interesting charts with posted plots of data which indicate diversity does indeed improve achievement:
http://www.sciencetime.org/blog/?page_id=239
"Some folks recently made comparisons between Wake and Charlotte, so I've pulled those out, too.
The plots show clearly that Wake County has very few schools, relatively speaking, with high percentages of highly of economically disadvantaged students, I presume because of its diversity policy. Data show that Wake schools have performed better while Charlotte schools are more socioeconomically segregated. These results occur despite Mecklenburg County's higher per capita income. Hard to determine cause and effect, but the correlation shows that NC schools with a 100% population of economically disadvantaged students have performances about 60% that of "wealthy" schools. These data seem important."
Will Wilson
virginia, You just summed up
Mon, 10/04/2010 - 09:57 — shearertwvirginia,
You just summed up nicely why the diversity crowd has no scientific credibility whatsoever.
Shows nothing of the sort.
Sun, 10/03/2010 - 16:22 — Bob_SconceThe author of that post makes a few fallacies. Here's one:
Below I show data indicating that Wake County has the second-highest per capita income in the state. Ahhh, how about that: I just found out that Mecklenburg County (it holds Charlotte) has the highest per capita income. So, the question might be, has Wake County’s busing reduced the high poverty schools and increased performance? Wake’s average performance is 77.9 whereas Mecklenburg’s is 74.4, giving Wake about a 5% higher score despite having a lower income.
However, the relevant number is not the per-capita income of the county, but the income of the families of students in the school district. And, on that, CMS has far more poor students. Besides, per-capita income is a poor measure since it's heavily skewed when you have a handful of very affluent people -- a better measure is *median* income. In 2008, Wake County Median Income was ~ $65,500; Mecklenburg County's was ~$57,300.
That leads him to make a faulty connection (which you quoted):
The plots show clearly that Wake County has very few schools, relatively speaking, with high percentages of highly of economically disadvantaged students, I presume because of its diversity policy. Data show that Wake schools have performed better while Charlotte schools are more socioeconomically segregated. These results occur despite Mecklenburg County's higher per capita income.
If you look at the numbers, CMS' poor students actually do better on EOG tests than Wake's.
Even so, let's assume that he got to this conclusion correctly:
But the correlation shows that NC schools with a 100% population of economically disadvantaged students have performances about 60% that of "wealthy" schools
Does this imply that the diversity policy improved studend performance? NO! In fact, you chose to omit the author's admission of this fact:
Is busing for diversity increasing the scores of students whose neighborhood school would have a greater concentration of lower income students and lower performances? I don’t know. Would Mecklenburg do better by transferring the students from schools with, say, more than 60% free lunches to higher income schools? I don’t know. [emphasis added]
Those results are entirely consistent with the diversity policy not having any effect at all! We already know that lower-income students do worse than higher-income students -- see his scatterchart comparing performance and free lunch ratio. It is, therefore, no surprise that a group of lower-income students (perhaps all of whom go to school together) will do worse than a group of higher-income students.
If he wanted to show the effects of the diversity policy, he could start off showing the performance of F&R student plotted against F&R ratio in the school. I did that for WCPSS elementary schools last year and found that, if anything, there was no significant correllation between the two (the slight correlation that was there was actually *positive* -- i.e. F&R students do *better* when they're grouped together.)
He'd have to dig further to show that busing a kid from a high-poverty school to a low-poverty school had a positive effect, but that would be a good first step.
According to Civitas
Sun, 10/03/2010 - 14:08 — virginiadareWake is doing well in cost per graduate according to a new study by the Civitas Institute. It is in the best quartile and is the least costly of the largest NC districts at $123,000 per graduate, while CMS spends $30,000 more per graduate at $153,000. Read more here:
http://www.nccivitas.org/media/publication-archive/policy-reports/how-much-does-it-cost-educate-high-school-graduate-your-cou
No, no luck finding the past report(s) of AdvancED
Sat, 10/02/2010 - 15:13 — nancyncLoriac, no luck, can't find it online on AdvancED site or anywhere else. And as many times I have asked, I have not seen anyone reply that they've seen it or have access to it either, including the reporter, Mr. Hui.
It's like it doesn't exist. But we know it (or more than one) does. We have paid money to this organization for a while, so they've done reports and accredited WCPSS obviously.
Critical thinker
Sat, 10/02/2010 - 11:36 — nancyncIf that last post of yours shows your critical thinking skills, it's sad at best.
Name calling is really not becoming of an adult.
And your post simply shows
Sat, 10/02/2010 - 12:13 — criticalthinkerAnd your post simply shows that you're completely opposed to my point of view.
You're entitled to your opinion.
It's no different than your other posts.
I get it.
You're right-wing.
As to name calling, the word blowhard was chosen carefully.
It's a good description of the tone and "thinking" behind the post I was responding to.
We've all grown tired of tit-for-tat responses.
Instead, why don't you (unlike the board majority) come up with a real, adult argument?
Just be sure you apply that equally
Sat, 10/02/2010 - 11:44 — Dove314Just be sure you apply your criticisms of name-calling equally to everyone, not just to those who oppose your view.
Minus the name calling, critical thinker makes some very valid points. There is fault on many sides for where the system is now. Ignoring the roles all have played and not attempting to improve on mistakes only hurts the children
Dove314
Sat, 10/02/2010 - 11:46 — nancyncI don't get into name calling, if you were referring to me. And I try to ignore pointed name calling, but to generalize as that post did was uncalled for at best.
Maybe I'm just getting tired of the juvenile behavior of adults on discussion boards?
Too true
Sat, 10/02/2010 - 11:55 — Dove314We certainly agree regarding the juvenile behavior of adults on a discussion board. Some here consider it better to use the blog as a punching bag or a hammer for their point of view rather than try for productive discussion. There is a strong need for a more constructive forum for the exchange of ideas without political rhetoric.
Dove, Unfortunately, the
Sat, 10/02/2010 - 12:27 — criticalthinkerDove,
Unfortunately, the right has made no secret of their agenda to win a pitched battle against progressives; doing so with no hesitation as to justifying their means.
Whether we like it or not, this is war.
I agree that most of us (but not all) prefer to converse like adults.
That said, there are time when people need to be called out.
Especially when "curmudgeon" is code for "blowhard".
And I said what I said because that behavior mirrors what the board majority is doing.
And it's now getting serious.
There are going to be some major traumatic changes in the near future.
The only question is - in what direction?
I will not mince my words in dealing with the creators of this mess.
"this is war"? Really?
Sat, 10/02/2010 - 20:50 — g88ky07If that's how you, and the other 112 supporters of what it is that you support, actually feel, I'd suggest reinstating the DIVERSITY DRAFT!
Tip: Watch out for drone attacks.
Thanks for the tip. Now stop
Sat, 10/02/2010 - 22:09 — criticalthinkerThanks for the tip.
Now stop droning on.
Maybe you could use your
Sat, 10/02/2010 - 12:54 — woodstockMaybe you could use your non-minced words to actually produce a legitimate argument for your desire to cling to antiquated and failed policies. Just about everything you stand for was been rejected 20 years ago by most of the country and much of it ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.
Schools should exist to education students in the community in which they live, not be a mechanism for social engineering.
No problem. I don't believe
Sat, 10/02/2010 - 13:08 — criticalthinkerNo problem.
I don't believe these policies are antiquated or failed.
And that's simply an opinion.
But then, you're simply stating your opinion, by using those adjectives.
And you might want to prove your statement regarding the rest of the country and Supreme Court.
Oh yeah, the Supreme Court, which has become the most right-wing arm of the federal government in recent times.
But instead of boring us with tons of facts and figures, you might want to explain how it's mutually exclusive to have kids in community schools and also to use "social engineering".
First, social engineering is all around you, and it's not the star of some horror movie.
Second, most of the "trauma" you've suffered in reassignments has not been the result of economic diversity policies.
Third, you might want to read all of the comments posted after the main article.
It's interesting how the tide is turning, now that everyone can see that the board majority is doing their own form of social engineering - on the fly - with no net.
Is that your idea of a
Sat, 10/02/2010 - 13:33 — woodstockIs that your idea of a convincing argument? Pretty weak, you must admit. You've not stated a single thing that you stand for or why.
Also, if you cannot see that the status quo's forced-busing, at-risk approach to education is antiquated and failed, you lack a national perspective and have not paid any attention at all to what is happening around you.
Clearly, I'm not going to
Sat, 10/02/2010 - 19:25 — criticalthinkerClearly, I'm not going to convince you.
I wouldn't expect to.
I've stated plenty in this forum along the way about where I'm coming from.
Check my older posts to find all kinds of talking points.
I believe you'll find more than enough to find yourself foaming at the mouth.
Again, you use adjectives to describe your opinion and try to portray it as fact.
As for a national perspective, Wake County has received plenty of national recognition for the exact kind of stuff you can't stand.
If you're alluding to the national rise of the Tea Party, believe me, I'm paying attention.
You folks scare me.
But not away from my opinions, or the willingness to fight for them.
I got news for you, pal, you
Sat, 10/02/2010 - 23:03 — woodstockI got news for you, pal, you are not going to convince anyone. You don't say anything. I have no idea what your opinion even is. You give critial thinking a bad name. Your rhetoric is just fluff. No facts ...no substantive argument...nothing. You offer nothing convincing in the least, then you take of on some oddball tangent about the Tea Party. I've never mentioned the Tea Party, never been to one of their events, and I not sure I even know anyone associated with the Tea Party. However, I have no idea why they "scare you" -- that is kind of a wussy thing to say, by the way -- unless you are scared of regular, everyday, taxpaying Americans who care about the direction our country is headed.
To me you sound like a person who heard a few sound bites about a subject and thinks they know something. I don't believe you have any idea what you are talking about...and if you do, you have a long way to go in being able to articulate what that may be.
"As for a national perspective, Wake County has received plenty of national recognition for the exact kind of stuff you can't stand."
What does that even mean? Tell me what it is that I "can't stand."
financial data...
Sat, 10/02/2010 - 11:01 — neumy123I don't know where I stand on the accreditation issue... it does seem to be invasive and reactionary to recent changes. What does concern me is that JT stated it was "premature" in providing financial implications as the plan is not completed. Has the SAC even begun to look into the financial implications of the new plan? Is it possible that the whole community assignment plan could be scrapped because once completed and a price tag placed on the changes, it could turn out that WCPSS does not have the money to put it in place? If AdvancedED does force the BOE and the SAC into forming a cost analysis of changes, it would benefit all of us.
David Neter (the WCPSS
Sat, 10/02/2010 - 13:21 — DrActualFactualDavid Neter (the WCPSS financial guy) was supposed to speak at the last meeting but they ran out of time for him and I think Dr. Hargens was to speak on a topic as well. He may have cost info already--we'll have to wait and see.
Past accreditation report??
Sat, 10/02/2010 - 10:42 — nancyncWonder what became of the past accreditation report done by AdvancED - anyone know where that might be?
I would like to see what they looked at then vs what they plan to look at now.
If they had no problem with the data under diversity, I would want to know why the failure rate of those students it was intended to help was acceptable. That would be in the report, right? Assignment is one of their targets now, I want to see their impression of assignment under the old policy that didn't help a large segment of the students.
Did they just accept the failure as acceptable? Did they make any recommendations or overstep their bounds?
previous report
Sat, 10/02/2010 - 14:58 — loriacnancync - I've seen you ask about the report several times. Any luck?
Keung - have you asked for the prior AdvancED accreditation report?
I haven't gotten copies yet.
Sun, 10/03/2010 - 13:09 — KeungHui (author)I haven't gotten copies yet. For today, I'm focusing on finishing up some blog posts for Monday and Tuesday. I'm hoping to go 24 hours without doing anything blog related Monday on my day off.
Data
Sat, 10/02/2010 - 07:26 — HereWeGoWhich is it?
Sat, 10/02/2010 - 07:29 — Dove314Does the letter mean that the BoE majority is providing written admission that they've made the assignment model change in the absence of any data whatsoever? Instead just responding based on their personal feelings and campaign promises? Or did they not fully respond to the request?
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Sat, 10/02/2010 - 09:25 — SideburnsMaybe they should have included the research on the academic and finanical impact of the diversity model used the past 10 years. Oh, wait. That's right -- there isn't any.
Sideburns, remember Rosa
Sat, 10/02/2010 - 10:58 — DrActualFactualSideburns, remember Rosa Gill's comment that "...we don't need to do a study, we just know it's working." (Of course look at 60+ schools over 40% F&R and some much higher along with EVAAS/EI lack of placements for qualified math students (IMO it appears to be broken, along with reassignments/MYR galore). Perhaps our response should be "...we don't need to study any more outside assignment plans-we just know it will work. That type of verbage seemed to be fine earlier.
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Sat, 10/02/2010 - 12:54 — SideburnsAgreed. And that is exactly why I get such a giggle over these people who are fighting so hard to continue busing the poor kids out of their neighborhoods. Busing was a feel-good policy that looked good on paper yet was destructive to education, community and family.
Can't Accept What's Happening Now
Sat, 10/02/2010 - 10:12 — jgegbgmgLooks like it's time for a Sideburns trimming - Information for the previous 10 years was not requested - Only for the current board's decision to make a complete overhaul - Don't you think an estimate of what cost would be for the new change would be better than saying "don't have a figure at this time - haven't had enough time to estimate the financial or academic impact on our system"? Why is it that you and many like you keep referring back to previous boards and can't accept the fact that the majority of members on the current board are lost???? You sound like a very defensive loser !!!!!
That's actually even worse
Sat, 10/02/2010 - 09:54 — Dove314There were two sets of research that would have sent a clear message. The first would be documentation of everything so many post here about how the old model failed. The second is documentation supporting where they are going. To include evidence about why the old system worked would have required them to be stupid beyond belief.
Of the two important sets of documentation, it seems clear they could have pulled together the former but elected not to do so. The big question is what about the latter? So I repeat, which is it? Did they base their decision on their campaign promises and personal feelings? Or did they just decide they didn't need to disclose information to AdvancED?
Where they're going is where
Sat, 10/02/2010 - 10:11 — CaryCurmudgeonWhere they're going is where the rest of the country already is. If AdvanceED is coming here with a preset agenda, then the less info they are given, the better.
If they had ask me for the documentation, I would have printed out the ballots from all those who voted last year for neighborhood schools, and asked AdvanceED whether they thought they had more authority than the voters of Wake County in decidining assignment policies. But then again, I'm a curmudgeon.
Your answer
Sun, 10/03/2010 - 13:59 — Dove314but that still doesn't answer the question. Did they have evidence they didn't provide or did they make the change in assignment models just based on opinions of their campaign supporters? Or are you saying the latter is the answer? That all the data they needed were the election results? No published studies or education literature supporting such a move was ever required?
Yes, I'm saying they don't
Sun, 10/03/2010 - 14:34 — CaryCurmudgeonYes, I'm saying they don't need a study to go to neighborhood schools. They were not elected to do a study, they were elected to get it done. Voters have a right to a voice in how students are assigned. If the candidates elected by those voters cross the line, then we have a courts system to address the matter. Given we are moving to an assignment model which is in use across the country, and given there is no study demonstrating the effectiveness of busing in Wake County, I am completely comfortable with the board moving to a neighborhood schools model. The old guard had unlimited time and money to make their case for busing, and they couldn't.
Wow -- I gave you more credit that you deserve
Sun, 10/03/2010 - 16:42 — Dove314All these many months, I thought you all had done more homework and put effort into researching alternative ideas and models instead of just reviewing information and deciding you didn't like the old system. I guess all that discussion about "data driven" decisions was really just so much political rhetoric when it comes to where we want to go. It does explain why there is no financial information and no real plan. It explains why they used an existing map instead of deriving a map for the basis of the new assignment plan. It certainly explains why so much of the discussion is focused on "Why we eliminated the old" rather than "here is the who, what, when,where, and how" of what we propose to do. It really was just all politics and personal opinions with little forward planning data factored in at all. And that is possibly more disappointing to learn than almost any of the information posted on this blog in the many months I've posted here.
You make some false
Sun, 10/03/2010 - 17:27 — CaryCurmudgeonYou make some false assumptions from my response. Here were/are the three things most important to me:
Neighborhood schools: 99%+ of our nation's school districts have proximity-based assignment. For Wake to assume that it's assignment was superior, without any data to back that up, was arrogant. Don't confuse assignment policies with academic achievement. You don't need a study to show that if you have proximity-based assignments, then kids will go to school closer to home.
Choice in calendars: Specifically, MYR needed to end, we needed less YR schools, and opt-outs needed to be more family-friendly. I did a lot of research on this subject. MYR has failed in every district it has been tried. The best example I could come up with of YR working was right here in Wake County, back when we only had a few YR schools and participation was voluntary. Then they wrecked it.
Academic excellence. Very simply, we cannot afford to continue the abysmal graduation rates we have for ED and minority children. The first data-driven action we have seen was implementation of EVAAS-based math promotions. I'm still not convinced we don't have more work in this area, but this year the new board put a big dent in the systematic discrimination that had been in place for years.
I think you have the impression that this last election was political, when those before it were not. Elections are inherently political. When Eleanor Goettee ended up in a runoff, the State Democratic party spend $30,000 to secure that seat for her. Politics are an ends to a means, and partisanship is the way of the world. When the NC Supreme Court ruled against WakeCARES, the justices' opinion was that the remedy to MYR could be found at the ballot box. And that is exactly what we did. No regrets.
The new board is doing exactly what they promised. People need to remember that the four losing candidates all vowed to keep the old busing policy. I know a lot of people who don't support the board feel like they are not being listened to. But try to imagine if the four losing candidates had in fact won, honestly, how much "listening" do you think they would do with neighborhood schools supporters.
Except again you hark back to previous boards.
Sun, 10/03/2010 - 19:16 — Dove314Where you want to assign politics to the discussion of democrats or republicans, the term is also defined as "of or relating to the conduct of government". These disagreements are political in the sense that people are disagreeing about the conduct of government, in this case the elected and appointed WCPSS BoE. The new BoE is explicitly political in the sense that they are exclusively responding to their specific campaign supporters. Everyone in WCPSS does not agree either with them or with their campaign supporters, regardless of party affiliations. Elections will continue to happen and the BoE majority is at liberty to continue to focus solely on their supporters and bet that their positions are those of a majority of voters in future elections as well as their 2009 campaign supporters.
Your 99% statistic holds no meaning for me. Every community differs in composition. I've said before and will say again -- I'm not wedded to any particular assignment model. I believe that many models could work depending upon the composition of a community. In WCPSS, somewhat uniquely, community schools could work with careful management. So could neighborhood schools, so could the existing model. What I've failed to see and continue to fail to see is any objective assessment and study of how to best structure any model, be it diversity or neighborhood or community or any other, in WCPSS including how to maintain it. Repeatedly, there have been requests for information on how the decision was made on the new model. Including now, AdvancED making that same request. So I asked and you responded that there was no thorough study of where WCPSS should go, just a sense that those campaigning and elected didn't like the existing model.
BoE supporters need to get a clear message on how assignment relates to achievement. According to quotes from them and their supporters, one day the two are purported to have no relation, the next achievement and assignment are intertwined. One day achievement is discussed on it's own, the next it is discussed within the assignment process. I happen to think achievement should be the key goal of the system. Achievement is impacted by many factors for each student with assignment being one of these many factors. This is easily demonstrated by the many personal claims here regarding the old diversity policy and how student achievement has differed based on where and students were previously assigned or the discussions on how stability in assignment impacts achievement. Impacts on achievement are not limited to only one type of assignment model. To imply that neighborhood or community schools or any other assignment model outside of the diversity model would have no impact, good or bad on achievment, is, well, a lie at worst, disingenuous at best. All assignment models are one of the factors impacting individual student achievement. This will be true until Snordone's goal of each and every school being high quality and filled with highly effective teachers and healthy budgets becomes a reality.
As for achievement, this is just another iteration of a discussion held multiple times on this blog. There was and is no reason for any WCPSS BoE to not always have put student achievement first. There is no reason why past BoE's let achievement begin and continue a downward slide. None whatsoever. There is no reason why all of the BoE's, this one included, somehow always put assignment first. For this BoE, there were many actions that could have been ongoing since that Dec. gavel fell. Those actions could have been conducted in parallel with and to optimize the development of the new assignment model. I've seen only the EVAAS discussion that won't have much impact until 4-5 years from now. Is that a good thing -- yes. But we'll have to agree to disagree that it was necessary to focus so heavily on assignment and to create a situation where people have had to review whether they were to be reassigned in March, April, May, August, and September (so far in 2010) for 2010-2011 and 2011-2012 while initially undercutting so many achievement related activities and only getting the EDSATF meeting regularly at the end of the school year. And even EDSATF is way too focused on EVAAS and how well it was implemented to the exclusion of other potential actions, again playing to the political campaigns.
The MYR is a separate discussion for me. You apparently put time and effort into studying MYR. That's great. YR was designed to improve individual student achievement by minimizing gaps in time in school NOT to minimize the number of schools required by WCPSS due to financial constraints. The latter was always a perversion of the original remit. One of the issues the system has faced and will continue to face is the ever-increasing number of students. We've now learned that we'll need 34 (?) more schools by 2020, with all of the ES on YR. The reality is that there is a conflict between the number of seats we have and the number of projected students. What is not feasible is to expect sufficient seats to magically appear. We have to pay for them and there has to be a frank discussion of how many schools of what type. If, as you say, MYR is not going to continue, then we may well need more than 34 new schools and you'd best get that discussion happening with the BoE so the bond issue will be sufficiently large to avoid MYR schools moving forward. If MYR is unpopular with parents, then the BoE needs to find ways to sell more schools to voters in the county to avoid the need for MYR yet provide the choice of YR for those who want it.
YR was designed to improve
Mon, 10/04/2010 - 23:38 — jeffrey1I never bought it
Tue, 10/05/2010 - 07:11 — g88ky10from any of them. No matter how much the bond was for, they never had one moments thought of not converting those 22 schools. We were told the sky was falling and that we'd like it if we tried it. All lies! Even with the lies it almost didn't pass.
This time it will be very interesting, to say the least.
Dove, Thanks for the
Sun, 10/03/2010 - 21:42 — CaryCurmudgeonDove,
Thanks for the thoughtful response. A few comments....
And, as a curmudgeon, you'd
Sat, 10/02/2010 - 11:12 — criticalthinkerAnd, as a curmudgeon, you'd be perfect addition to the board majority.
Here's a hint about how to operate in the real world:
Hubris is not a virtue.
Your tempest in a teapot overlooks the fact that AdvancED, the DOE, and the DOJ are all a big deal.
You, along with the other blowhards taking us down the rabbit hole think you're going to win some epic battle freeing the local voters from their bondage perpetrated by the county, state, and federal governments.
Good luck with that.
Meanwhile, if the high schools really do lose accreditation, it'll be a huge blow - and not just to the disadvantaged.
It matters to people like us with offspring of a certain age.
Are you the least bit concerned?
Your hemorrhoids are really flaring aren't they
Sat, 10/02/2010 - 20:44 — g88ky07Calm down. If you're on blood pressure medication, and over 35, it may not be too late to purchase some smelling salts and medicated wipes.
Yet another critic that
Sat, 10/02/2010 - 12:59 — CaryCurmudgeonYet another critic that thinks anyone who supports the board majority is anti-government. I don't make such broad assumptions about those who support the board, you shouldn't make them either.
My son is a senior in high school and is currently applying to colleges, so no one in Wake County would be more affected by loss of accreditation than my own son. But right is right. I refuse to give into threats instigated by Bill Barbor and set aside what I know is right because I worry about the consequences.
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin
You could not have been more wrong.
Except, of course,
Sun, 10/03/2010 - 15:02 — bpuli9999when it come to real liberties that we continue to lose everyday.