If you're one of the people who've wondered if a four-day work week would be the way to deal with school budget cuts in Wake County, it's not considered a viable option yet.
Chief Business Officer David Neter laid out eight different options Wednesday they said had been suggested by people, including school board members, for coping with $20 million in state cuts. Those eight options were all rejected for various reasons.
Neter said it would take a change in state law to allow Wake to move to a four-day work week. State law requires schools to have both 180 days and 1,000 hours of instruction.
Wake could lengthen the four school days to get the 1,000 hours. But the district would need state intervention to have less than 180 days.
School board member Anne McLaurin asked if the General Assembly might consider waiving the 180-day rule. School board member Keith Sutton said he doesn't believe it would happen because of the backlash it would generate.
The General Assembly has waived the 180-day rule in years where schools lost a lot of time because of snow and hurricanes.
But if it did happen, Neter said the savings would come from transportation and utilities. But he said that a 20 percent reduction in utility costs would be unlikely because school would be in session longer on the four days.
Joe Desormeaux, assistant superintendent for facilities, also said they wouldn't be able to completely shut down the HVAC systems on that fifth day. He said they'd need to leave it on to prevent mold and address other air quality issues.
There's also the challenges it would pose to parents having to find childcare on that fifth day.
Sutton had suggested creating more Title I schools to get more federal money. But Neter said Wake only gets funding per Title I student, not per school.
Neter said they also looked at getting more stimulus funding. But he said that the state won't be applying again for the next round of Race to the Top funding until June.
Sutton said there might be some individual stimulus grants Wake could get. But he didn't think it would really help with funding existing salaries.
Neter said they had also explored getting the district's potential $70 million share of the fines and forfeiture lawsuit. Superior Court Judge Howard Manning had ruled in 2008 that the state had illegally withheld $747.9 million in civil fines to the school districts.
State legislative leaders have argued that they just don't have the money to comply with the ruling. They've instead talked about supplanting the funds with money that would have already gone to schools.
Neter said it's a good example of the financial challenge that the state and nation are facing. While Wake is legally entitled to its share of the fine money, the money is not there.
Neter said they had also looked at half-day kindergarten. But he said the state statutory requirement for 1,000 hours of instruction would have to be waived.
Interim Supt. Danna Hargens said that families of some 12,000 kindergarten students are counting on it being a full-day program this fall. The class is larger than normal because the state law requiring kids to turn age 5 by Aug. 1 to enter kindergarten went into effect last year.
Hargens also pointed out that it would impact all the full-time kindergarten teachers.
Hargens and Neter also pointed to the positive academic benefits of full-day kindergarten. Neter said North Carolina is among the nine states that require full-day kindergarten.
Neter said they had also looked at a suggestion from board vice chairwoman Debra Goldman to shut down all the traditional-calendar schools over the summer. Neter brought up the health issues that would be raised by shutting down the HVAC systems.
Neter also noted that the schools generate revenue over the summer from groups renting the facilities.
Stephen Gainey, assistant superintendent for human resources, also pointed out how high schools are used during the summer by bands and athletic teams.
Desormeaux also pointed out that they're already planning to cut back on summer custodial service.
Neter said they had also looked at making additional changes to building temperatures. Desormeaux said they had already made a change last year with another already planned for this year.
Neter said they had talked with principals about making even more changes. He said the principals said it's their preference not to make the buildings any hotter in the summer and colder in the winter.
The last option that Neter said they had looked at and rejected was use of furloughs and salary reductions.
Neter said that there's the issue of how the state funds positions based on months of employment. He said Wake could make a 1 percent reduction in salary but the state will still view it as a case of where they're picking up the same months of employment. Neter said there's na way to ask for the money back from the state.
Most school employees are state funded. Neter said they wouldn't have the same problem getting the money back from the locally funded positions. But he said it would create fairness issues in which state-funded teachers are making more money than locally funded ones.
In addition, Neter said that reducing salary would be considered a demotion. In the case of certified staff, such as teachers, appeal hearings would have to be held.
As for furloughs, Neter said there would be legal issues with Wake imposing one on its own. He said it would be different if Gov. Perdue did what she had done last year and ordered a statewide furlough.
Furloughs are also something more used for industrial settings. Neter said schools just can't cut back on capacity like factories. He pointed to how school employees had such a problem taking their 10 hours of leave time when Perdue ordered the furloughs last year.
Instead, Neter presented this list of cuts yesterday. He said the list was developed after talking with principals.
"If we’re going to have to impact schools, we looked at how we could impact them in the least possible manner," Neter said.

Comments
I am sorry that you have to
Sat, 04/17/2010 - 15:39 — user12345I am sorry that you have to live with the rest of us but glad to have you anyway .... I want to say I agree WCPSS could do better ... everyone can do better ... public school could always do better ... I just give these guys their due that they do well at a low $/student. WCPSS seems to be built around living on a very harsh budget. That is what Wake voters have come to appreciate ... they do not seem to require higher education attainment. I am with you to continuing to find and point out other places that might do better but in end I think the people of Wake just want an average school system at a below average cost.
I agree with you that there
Mon, 04/19/2010 - 09:06 — shearertwChurp.....churp....churp
Fri, 04/16/2010 - 12:25 — shearertwChurp.....churp....churp
A quick read of a few google
Fri, 04/16/2010 - 08:50 — danofncA quick read of a few google finds seems to suggest that Texas' methods for funding schools has had a ton of problems, not the least of which is property taxes that are/were at the maximum statutory rate.
Just because you propose something different doesn't mean it's better. Especially if you haven't actually thought the plan through. Don't accuse me of throwing stones, because you didn't put up anything for the stones to hit.
You recommended eliminating the state income tax, and you only talked about how WCPSS would replace the state funding. If you are going to propose a change that affects the entire state, your idea is useless if you don't also include how you're going to replace the state money in other districts.
I think Edgecombe County is spending about $60 million a year on education. They aren't building new schools. They don't have a huge administration. They don't have a lot of growth (probably none). They don't have a lot of areas that they can cut without cutting teachers. I think doubling the county's budgeted contribution would get them an extra 6 or 7 million dollars, and leave them with a $35 million (or so) hole. (The numbers are rounded and based on memory, so they aren't exact, but they are in the ballpark)
In order for your "plan" to be anything other than a pipe dream, you have to have a way to replace that money.
Apparently Texas' way has already lost 2 or 3 different Texas Supreme Court cases, so I'm not sure that's the best model to suggest.
A quick google search/read
Fri, 04/16/2010 - 13:36 — shearertwA quick google search/read of just about any government entity these days would return an apparent problem with funding. That may be, just maybe, due to this recession thing they keep talking about.
Not to say Texas is perfect, by any stretch of the imagination. There is good and bad. Generally, I believe, the more local your funding, the better the results. Also, there's a little thing called personal responsibility to throw in here, but I know you don't care about that.....I'm checking in to the Edgecombe Co. thing...I'll get back with you.
How would that work in a
Thu, 04/15/2010 - 16:02 — danofncHow would that work in a county like, say....Edgecombe, that doesn't have the huge tax base that Wake County enjoys?
Do you ever think of any other people?
So why don't we just
Thu, 04/15/2010 - 16:10 — shearertwSo why don't we just eliminate states all together and just have one HUGE federal gov't that controls everything. You know, because some states are poorer than others.....
Is everything with you about "wealth distribution"?
Each county would set their own property tax rates as they do now. So if the people of Edgecombe have a lot of children they can't afford to educate, why, exactly, is that my problem in Wake Co.?
Why stop at County ?
Thu, 04/15/2010 - 20:14 — Solon77Using your logic - Why stop at the county level ? Since we on a path to mirror the Northern Style districts, each town can fund their own schools. I live in North Raleigh and we haven't had a new school in 15 years and only one at that, so why should I be funding the growth in Apex, Garner, Western Cary, Wake Forest, ect. ?
Solon77, I'm a western
Thu, 04/15/2010 - 20:54 — shearertwSolon77,
I'm a western Waker and I have absolutely no problem with that at all. And what do you mean about "Northern Style" districts? When I lived in Texas, our school district was entirely funded by the town we lived in (which was also high growth). Those schools "smoked" WCPSS in every way possible. Our property taxes were high (more than double here) but we had no state income tax so it was very tolerable. You could also directly see the results of any tax increases (like the $17 million football stadium we built). It is Texas afterall.....not exactly a "nothern style" district, I assure you. I sure miss it.
Isn't it the state
Thu, 04/15/2010 - 16:29 — danofncIsn't it the state constitution that guarantees an education to NC residents?
Does your "plan" just ignore that little fact?
I have never seen anyone so ready to suggest a plan, calling it "just a thought", and then get so defensive when asked a question about how it would actually work. Are we supposed to not comment?
Your "plan" eliminated the NORTH CAROLINA STATE INCOME TAX, so you have to figure out how to replace the money that comes from that tax for education THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE STATE, not just in Wake County.
Looks like Edgecombe Co.
Fri, 04/16/2010 - 14:16 — shearertwLooks like Edgecombe Co. could use a property tax increase. The question you should be asking is not, "What will a county like Edgecombe do without state money?" its "Why are Edgecombe Co. residents contributing so little to their own public school system?" Their property tax rates are on the low side and I'm sure their property values aren't very high either. Given that, individuals in Edgecombe Co. may at best be paying 1/4th of what the average Wake resident pays. My answer to you is that the people of Edgecombe Co. should be stepping up to the plate and not depending on the rest of us so much. As of right now, with the state funding so much of their cost per pupil, what incentive do they have to increase their fair share?
And don't give me this, "They're poor, they have no jobs, garbage...." If that is true, then move to where there are jobs.
Did you look up Edgecombe's
Fri, 04/16/2010 - 16:01 — danofncDid you look up Edgecombe's tax rates before you wrote that?
According to this:
http://www.edgecombecountync.gov/cms/work/pbutler/client_resources/assessor/code%20file.pdf
It seems that Edgecombe's county tax rate is .86/$100, which seems quite a bit higher than Wake's .534/$100.
It's pretty shocking that you're so hot about Edgecombe County's finances, considering that in 07-08 the state paid 690 million dollars of Wake County's billion-plus budget, but only 45 million dollars to Edgecombe.
That works out to about 60 more dollars per Edgecombe county resident.
No time today.....I'll
Thu, 04/15/2010 - 17:27 — shearertwNo time today.....I'll figure it out for Edgecombe tomorrow....
By the way, there are other states that fund education in this way. Its not a new idea.
I don't know if that is in
Thu, 04/15/2010 - 16:41 — shearertwI don't know if that is in the NC const or not but it could be changed if need be...
Every Co would be resp for edu their own pops. What is your problem with that?
Full-day kindergarten
Thu, 04/15/2010 - 13:41 — louiselee44"Hargens and Neter also pointed to the positive academic benefits of full-day kindergarten. Neter said North Carolina is among the nine states that require full-day kindergarten."
People often forget this when comparing NC schools with other districts. It's funny, if I'm not mistaken, the states that consistently rank higher than NC on education matters have 1/2 day kindergartens. Can't be proven one way or the other if there's any connection, of course, but it is interesting.
Keung - any idea what they based the academic benefits comment on? Just curious.
The specific research wasn't
Thu, 04/15/2010 - 13:49 — KeungHui (author)The specific research wasn't named. I wrote a story about the issue several years ago when it was brought up then during a budget crisis. There is research indicating that full day kindergarten helps through early elementary school. The effects become less noticeable through the older elementary grades.
So, I guess just through grade 2 or 3
Thu, 04/15/2010 - 19:51 — louiselee44Thanks, Keung - VERY interesting!
Not surprised that the research wasn't named
You did not mention naming
Thu, 04/15/2010 - 12:54 — user12345You did not mention naming for the Art Pope staduim at Rolesville
Or why not Eagles Staduim,
Thu, 04/15/2010 - 14:28 — woodstockOr why not Eagles Staduim, since Rolesville Mayor Frank Eagles (Democrat) was a ardent and vocal supporter of building the new high school in his town.
Oh...
Thu, 04/15/2010 - 15:25 — Bob_SconceThat's a great idea, but would probably get confusing -- isn't the Eagle the Enloe mascot? Where does that leave RHS? I supposed "The Rolesville Effective Lobbyists" would fit Eagles well, but hardly sounds like a great name for a football team.
I'm still bummed out that we
Thu, 04/15/2010 - 16:27 — jenmanI'm still bummed out that we don't have the Apex BBQ Pigs to root for. What did they end up naming that school instead?
That would be ....
Thu, 04/15/2010 - 17:00 — Bob_SconceThe cougars.
Better than my relative who went to Carnegie Mellon, whose (since Andrew Carnegie was Scottish) team name is the Tartans. Duke has the Blue Devils, State has the Wolfpack. Carnegie has a Scotty Dog dressed in a kilt. I guess that's what happens in Division III.
Better than a Blue Hen.
Thu, 04/15/2010 - 22:08 — raleighlauraI married one, and still think it's weird!
Don't you mean the He Who
Thu, 04/15/2010 - 13:43 — jenmanDon't you mean the He Who Shall Not Be Named stadium?
I don't think Ron is
Thu, 04/15/2010 - 20:54 — user12345I don't think Ron is eligible.
or just call it The Vatican.
Thu, 04/15/2010 - 13:59 — CaryCurmudgeonor just call it The Vatican.
I like the sound of that,
Thu, 04/15/2010 - 14:32 — woodstockI like the sound of that, actually.
I can hear the public address announcer already: "Ladies and gentlemen, the Rolesville "Cardinals" welcome you to the Vatican." It has a nice ring.
Too catholic?
...
Thu, 04/15/2010 - 12:41 — SideburnsKeung,
Can you explain Sutton's statement a little further? Was he speaking of reassigning children?
Thanks.
Sutton didn't elaborate. He
Thu, 04/15/2010 - 13:50 — KeungHui (author)Sutton didn't elaborate. He didn't bring up reassignment. It sounds more like could Wake just get more money by calling more schools Title I schools.
Interesting
Thu, 04/15/2010 - 12:26 — magnetParentInteresting. Here's a little more info on what they did:
http://www.elkintribune.com/view/full_story/3138757/article-Wilkes-Co-%E2%80%99s-162-day-school-calendar-approved
Interesting to see how some
Thu, 04/15/2010 - 12:52 — user12345Interesting to see how some counties are more innovative than others ... Wilkes already has their rep in Raleigh working for them ... WCPSS still seems to be denial and late to what to do about the budget.
I think Wilkes County has
Thu, 04/15/2010 - 13:00 — danofncI think Wilkes County has about 10,000 kids and 22 schools. That equals a lot more flexibility.
... and two movitated reps
Thu, 04/15/2010 - 13:55 — user12345... and two movitated reps in the capital .... two more than Wake probably has ...
yeah
Thu, 04/15/2010 - 13:30 — louiselee44Their plan is a lot more involved than at first glance. I can't say that I support what they're doing ( no way we could do it with our block schedule high schools, anyway - but that's another story!), but at least they are trying.
wonder what the actual
Thu, 04/15/2010 - 12:41 — JSBinNCwonder what the actual realized savings are so far... if the pilot is a success - will they continue it, etc.
Hmmm...
Thu, 04/15/2010 - 12:17 — louiselee4413 SB 202 SCHOOL CALENDAR PILOTPROGRAM
Section "The State Board ofEducation shall establish a school calendar pilot program
in the Wilkes County Schools. Thepurpose of the pilot program is to determine
whether and to what extent a localschool administrative unit can save money
during this extreme fiscal crisis byconsolidating the school calendar."