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Questioning who is to blame for Walnut Creek Elementary's overcrowding

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Two different pictures are emerging about the situation taking place at the new Walnut Creek Elementary School.

As noted in today's article, Wake County Schools Superintendent Tony Tata acknowledged that an enrollment cap is needed at Walnut Creek to deal with overcrowding. But Tata, pointing to the additional resources provided to the school, says that Walnut Creek is "on the right track."

In contrast, Cash Michaels calls the overcrowding situation a "crime." He accuses Tata and the Republican board majority "of literally turning their backs on the growing problem there."

"What is happening to Walnut Creek Elementary by the Wake Public School System is a crime and will ultimately hurt the children," Michaels said Thursday on his "Make It Happen" radio show.

The issue here is that Walnut Creek has a campus capacity of 780 students. But the school's growing enrollment is now at 936 students.

Michaels held Tata personally to blame for the crowding situation on Thursday. He charged that Tata's promises to Walnut Creek "continue to be broken."

"The blame for this mess falls squarely on the shoulders of Wake Schools Superintendent Anthony Tata and his staff for allowing the school's student  population to swell by almost 20 percent above capacity and it's still going," Michaels said on his radio show. "And the blame also falls in the laps of school board chairman Ron Margiotta, who wanted those Southeast Raleigh children sent back to their neighborhood.

Board vice chairman John Tedesco, who along with Garner Mayor Ronnie Williams, wanted Southeast Raleigh children taken out of East Garner Elementary School which is now, get this, now under capacity as a result. And the other Republicans on the board who failed, deliberately or otherwise, to join Democratic board members Kevin Hill and Keith Sutton in making sure that every safeguard was put in place to make sure that Walnut Creek could properly handle its mission."

Michaels says that a cap should have been put on Walnut Creek sooner. He said "one of my suspicions" is that it wasn't done sooner because it would have meant sending students to East Garner Elementary, which "politically that's not what certain board members want."

(Interviewed on the show is retired educator Marvin Pittman, who has worked to help Walnut Creek. I spoke with Pittman yesterday on another issue and he told me he wasn't aware that it was going to be broadcast on the show.)

During my interview with Pittman on Friday, he questioned why the enrollment wasn't capped sooner.

"Why were so many students placed at the school?" Pittman said Friday. "It shouldn't have gotten to this point."

On Michaels' show, Mark Dorosin, senior attorney for the UNC Center for Civil Rights, accused the school board of creating "separate but grossly unequal" at Walnut Creek.

"Walnut Creek is the canary in the coal mine," said Dorosin, the lead attorney in the Title VI civil rights complaint against Wake. "This is what the future looks like under a plan that doesn't take into account important factors related to diversity, including race, including socioeconomic status and including student proficiency. And not just take them into account, but make them priorities, top priorities in determining where kids go to school."

While not mentioning him by name, Tata addressed at his news conference on Friday the charges leveled by Michaels on his show.

"Part of the reason Walnut Creek is overcrowded is because, like I said, we intended to make it a high-demand school and we were successful," Tata said. "Recall that many were worried it would be an underenrollled school."

For instance, Tata disputed the statement that Michaels repeatedly made Thursday that at least half the teachers at Walnut Creek are first-year educators.

Tata said 37 of the 66 teachers at Walnut Creek have five or more years experience. He said 11 have three or fours experience. He said the remaining 18 are in their first or second year. He said that breakdown "is about normal" for "most Wake schools."

Tata also challenged the questions about class size by saying Walnut Creek has 19 students per class in fifth-grade, 14 students in third- and fourth-grades and 22 students at kindergarten through second-grade.

Tata said they'll hire additional teachers to get K-2 class size down to the original goal of 15 students. But this means that classes being broken up so that students will face a new teacher this late in the school year.

Tata said Walnut Creek is not Wake's most crowded school and doesn't have the highest percentage low-income students, although he said it's among the top in both areas.

Tata repeatedly talked about the additional resources that have been provided to Walnut Creek, which he said have helped make it a "high-demand school."

Tata said that Walnut Creek is getting about $1 million more in resources than a school like Davis Drive Elementary in Cary.

The additional resources have led to features such as a longer school day, smaller class sizes than at most schools, additional technology, a STEM focus and free school meals for all students.

“There’s no other school in this district with this combination of resources and class size,” Tata said.

Tata also blamed the crowding problem on the old assignment system. He said that they were "obligated" to continue to send students to the school who live within the attendance area.

Tata said the new choice plan will allow them to only enroll 115 kindergarten students at Walnut Creek next year, allowing the school "to right size itself."

In terms of who called for the cap, Sutton says he's the one who requested that Tata put it on the agenda.

"In dealing with the population management issues, the school administration has found it challenging to deliver on the academic goals and priorities that the school put in place," Sutton said. "It's a tough situation to deliver on the promises that made it such a high-demand school"

UPDATE

Click here for an updated version of the article in The Carolinian that Cash Michaels wrote about the crowding situation at Walnut Creek.

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Busing for diversity =

Busing for diversity = bad

Forced busing to relieve overcrowding caused by elimination of diversity busing = good

Any questions???

YEAH...

...what mail order school did you get kicked out of? It is documented and true that at least 95 percent of Wake's past busing was the result of tremendous growth. Perhaps 3-4 percent was for diversity to balance certain schools.

So to bring that foolishness up now, perhaps as a last gasp of the short and certainly not sweet Margiotta dynasty, is nonsense!

Why don't you just help old Ronny M clean out his office, and leave the heavy thinking to  the big boys, eh?

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"...at least 95 percent of Wake's past busing was the result of tremendous growth..."

So, without growth, what would the busing percentage be? Just take a guess.

And, I think twatts was being facetious.

Sarcasm

isn't so clear on the typed page...  But Sideburns got it right...

Prove It...

that only 3 to 4 percent was done based on diversity to balance schools.   The staff couldn't give the numbers so how in the world can you?  It sure makes a good sound bite, but I would really like to see the proof! 

LET'S MAKE IT EASY FOR EVERYONE...

...why not simply ask Hui? He's been here long enough to know. The anti-diversity crowd (you know, Woodsy, Sideburns, Bobby S) have been pushing this "diversity busing is overwhelming us" crap for years. Fact is they exploited it because politically it was easier to make hay out of.

Put it another way - the diversity critics blew up the busing issue as a sly way to play the race card and finally get the school board that they wanted. But the truth always was  that growth, not diversity, overwhelmingly drove Wake busing here.

But in case Hui takes his time, you can read the following:

http://www.newraleigh.com/articles/archive/tedesco-busing-wake-county-schools/

http://thecashroc.blogspot.com/2011/03/wake-board-comes-up-with-mysterious.html

WRAL-TV also quoted a 5% figure in a special it did on the new school board earlier last year.

But Hui will solve it all! 

Uh...

(1) First of all, that's 'Bob.'  Nobody calls me Bobby.  If you'd like, "Mr. Sconce" will do.

(2) You're mixing up busing with reassignments.  There's no doubt that when there's a lot of growth and you have to open new schools to accommodate that growth, the old non-choice assignment model required reassignment students to the newly-opened schools.  But, there's also no doubt that the second goal of balancing-for-socioeconomic-diversity increased the number of reassignments needed.  The two are heavily conflated, which is one of two reasons why staff cannot give a percentage of students assigned "for socio-economic diversity."  

The other reason is that giving a percentage assigned "for socio-economic diversity" means that you'd have to come up with a counter-factual -- what assignment plan would you come up with if you didn't worry about socio-economic diversity?  And tht's just about impossible since you'd be starting with an assignment that had socio-economic diversity built-in. 

And then you have to consider that school placement -- especially on the rim -- was often incfluenced by the goal of balancing for socioeconomic diversity.

In the end, you have to go back to 2000, say "Ok.  Let's pretend that we never cared about diversity.  What would we have done, and how would that differ from what we have now?"  Very hard job.

That's been an elusive

That's been an elusive figure that the school district hasn't given out. At one point they were saying 5 to 7 percent back in 2005, but they've since backed away from giving any specifics. The problem is how you determine it. For instance, you won't get much dispute that a student whose Southeast Raleigh node has been going up to Leesville for years is for diversity. But what about the student whose node was Inside the Beltline but who was sent to a new school in Western Wake? Wake would officially classify it as a move to fill a new school and not officially a diversity move. Another example, is when they sent the Wood Valley people from Leesville to West Millbrook. It was officially to ease crowding but it also made the F&R numbers more balanced between the two schools.

Then Explain.....

how the staff could not provide the exact numbers when the investigators came to town for the suit that the NAACP started?  If the N&O knows...how is it that the staff that has all the data and records didn't?   Something just doesn't add up.  The truth is they were never able to come up with the numbers because the didn't quantify the reason for the moves.  So to say 95% of the moves was from growth only is an inaccurate statement.  They never kept track so what the real numbers are...who knows.  That is like going back and counting the chads.    What would be even more interesting is to see how many kids were moved to keep up with the healthy school facade!  I know of many nodes that were removed from several schools to help bring up the test scores!

YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS...

....staff knows full well what those percentages were...THEY'D BEEN KEEPING TRACK OF THEM FOR ALMOST TEN YEARS...DUHHH! By Ronny M and the Furious Four didn't want them released because it would blow their entire argument for adopting their neighborhood schools policy. Over 85 percent of Wake students were already attendibg school within 10 minutes of their home!

Come on now, I can't believe you drank the Kool-Aid!

Yes Clearthinker they have

Yes Clearthinker they have been keeping track of them for almost 10 years, Jimmy Hoffa and Elvis were the keeper of these stat's but unfortunately they left them unattended one day and a Yeti riding a Unicorn stole them.

So do you mind if the investigation

starts with you UnclearWater?

Since you seem to know more than the school system said it did, I think you should be interview number one.

So you are saying that staff

So you are saying that staff has been lying to a federal agency?

Look, it was well documented in the N&O and here on the blog that staff could not answer that question. And the reason for that is that many of the "growth related" decisions spawned a domino effect of unbalanced F&R numbers. Often the opening of a new school affected a dozen or more schools because of the need to balance SES.

When staff quotes the 3-4% figure for diversity related reassignments, they are only counting those in SE Raleigh that were bused out to the suburbs to open up seats in magnet schools. They are not counting the thousands of folks that were reassigned from one suburban school to another that resulted from the rippling effects of opening a new suburban school. Even staff admits that these suburban reassignments were not categorized as diversity-related when if fact, many of them were.

I've tracked reassignments for 10+ years. The number of folks affected by diversity busing far exceeds 3- 4%.

Over 85 percent of Wake students were already attendibg school within 10 minutes of their home!

If you;re going to quote meaningless statistics, at least get it right. Staff claimed that over 85% of students attended a school within 5 miles of their home. However, that distance was measured radially, i.e. as the crow flies. I don't know about you, but my kids don't fly to school.

So just how close is having your school with 5 radial miles of your home? Well for me, there are 20 elementary schools alone with 5 radial miles of my home. So I guess it's not saying much to have a school within 5 radial miles of your home, expecially when you may need to ride the bus for 30+ minutes to get there. And if you consider that, on average, most homes within Wake County are within 1.8 radial miles of an elementary school, we see the statement you quoted is yet another meaningless fact that says absolutely nothing about the burden that busing has placed on families over the past decade.

Thanks Jeffrey...

I guess ClearThinker doesn't want to understand the issue.  The staff couldn't come up with the numbers because it wasn't tracked at that level!  Talk about drinking the kool aid.  Clearthinker lips are probably bright red as we speak!

...

It didn't take long for you to throw in race.

 

Right Size

Tata indicated allowing only 115 to kindergarten next year.  There are currently 152 5th graders so everything else equal, enrollment will decline by 37. The current school profile is

K - 185, 1st - 175, 2nd - 127, 3rd -116, 4th -136, and 5th - 152.  Based on the profile it will take 6 years to fully right size the school. 

It Will Take 6 Years...

to right size most of the over crowded schools in the area.  That capacity planning that is being done in the new plan is 100 times better than the node based system.  There was no way of ever knowing how many kids a node contained so everything was done based on estimates. 

It does not matter

....who is the blame for the overcrowding at Walnut Creek Elementary.  

 

What matters is the problem(s), overcrowding is one among many, is fixed immediately!  No responsible board member should have voted to populate the school as currently is.  It does not matter who is the blame, fix it!  No amount of incentive monies can fix this mess.  Tata knows as well as the staff the situation is impossible.  

Most important the tax payer dollars to support the current population of WC can not be sustained!!!

Fix it immediately?

You need to put your glass down. How? Kick out a few hundred? Reassign 1/2 way through the year? Sorry, ain't gonna happen.

or, with Martin and the CPA on the job soon will it? Yes, that's it, remove hundreds of kids now. They're young, they'll have time to recover.

Not sure I understand your last comment about tax payer dollars

Tax payer dollars to support magnet programs are sustained year upon year (magnet grants only cover the first three "start-up" years). Why are magnets sustainable, but supporting the achievement of students at Walnut Creek can not be sustained?

More Hypocrisy from the Right

I loved reading through the comments on this blog entry this morning because all y'all regular right-wing commenters are harping on the fact that the problems caused at WC are completely the result of new subdivisions being built causing unpredictable capacity issues for the school system.

Why weren't you more vocal about the EXACT SAME issues causing overcrowding in Western Wake County?

Whenever overcrowding and the subsequent reassignments happened there -- which was every year given Keith Weatherly and the Apex Town Council's decisions to build new subdivisions on every square inch of free land -- y'all would predictably trot out the bussing, commitment to diversity and the old student assignment policy boogeyman.

Which is it, y'all?

I'm more than willing to engage in an intellectually honest debate about student assignment. 

I'm just sick of the flip-flopping opinions and positions of the long-time critics of the school system who spend their time commenting on this blog.

Excellent recap...

of the right wing pseudo-argument. Thanks. Somehow I doubt it if anyone will take you up on your offer an honest debate.

About Apex, maybe RM and his sidekick will take the time to respond.

Looked at the Website

There were 40 classroom teachers listed in K-5 for 930 students. That comes out to about 23.25 students per class.  According to NC School Report Card Data, that's higher than the district average.  So much for the promises that were made to the parents when this school was built.

You Cannot Delegate Responsibility

You can delegate authority. You cannot delegate responsibility. The Board and staff are both to blame for current conditions at Walnut Creek.

Unlike some high poverty, minority isolated schools in our system, this one was readily avoidable. The original assignment plan called for it to open with far fewer children on a year-round schedule. What has happened (very quickly) instead demonstrates pretty clearly why high poverty, racially isolated schools should be avoided.

A more foresightful board and staff might have understood that a bunch of pie in the sky promises would be believed by folks who really wanted a great neighborhood school for their children, and that this would result in more kids from those nodes sticking to their base assignment when it was right nearby. And in kids pretending to live nearby who really don't.

A more foresightful board and staff might have understood that the additional support it put in place was not enough, given what was known about the academic needs of the entering students. The problem is not that WC costs an extra $1 million per year; the money should be spent to help kids that need it, and spreading them out would not change that. The problem is an extra $1 million per year, or $1,000 per kid, is not enough given the needs of that school.

A more foresightful Board and staff might have realized that you cannot deliver on small class sizes if you don't limit the enrollment, because you don't have enough physical spaces. They could have limited it before it opened. Then kids could still go to classrooms for enrichment rather than being destined for core instruction in a trailer.

A more foresightful Board and staff might have assigned only experienced teachers to that school.

A more foresightful Board and staff would not have expected teachers to teach a high needs population for 45 extra minutes a day for no additional money that I know of, indefinitely—particularly when professional development money and planning time have been savagely cut.

A more foresightful Board and staff might have worried more about relying so heavily on church and nonprofit support to perform functions that should be performed by taxpayer supported institutions.

A more foresightful Board and staff might have recognized that there are non quantifiable benefits to a more diverse environment and that a more diverse environment was achievable here in a way that it is not in other parts of our county.

Board and staff were slow to fix a problem they were quick to create. The school has been oversubscribed for months.

They cannot really fix it now, unless they kick out lots of kids or drive them away. They can provide more teachers, but their ability to make more learning spaces is limited.

If I were on the staff of that school—apparently a very talented staff—I would be outraged that I had been set up to fail. Perhaps they will succeed in spite of it all. I hope so.

Unlike some high poverty,

Unlike some high poverty, minority isolated schools in our system, this one was readily avoidable. The original assignment plan called for it to open with far fewer children on a year-round schedule. What has happened (very quickly) instead demonstrates pretty clearly why high poverty, racially isolated schools should be avoided.

Given where Walnut Creek is located, how would we avoid it being high poverty or minority isolated?  The demographics aren't that much different from Barwell Road Elem, which is located nearby. 

"how would we avoid it being

"how would we avoid it being high poverty or minority isolated"

 

Want the ugly answer???  Diversity Busing.

 

Yes, but which middle to

Yes, but which middle to upper income nodes would be bused there?  WCPSS knows they can't bus affluent families in large numbers or else there will be a revolt.

easy

Make it a magnet. 

Yes, but I don't think the

Yes, but I don't think the board has ever had WC in mind for a magnet program.  So back to my original question:  How would we have avoided opening WC as a high poverty, racially isolated school?  WC wouldn't have been any different than Barwell Road and nobody has really made a fuss about that school over the years.

I Have Asked The Same Question....

time and time again and no one has an answer.   How should the board have filled this school?   I wish we could have a clearer picture of what the previous board was going to do.  They decided to build the school in that specific area so they must have had some type of plan.   I have yet to hear any of the details.  They opened the school in this racially identifiable area of Wake so what was their plan? 

EBDarcy has it right...

I would have magnetized it. The old Board did not have WC slated to open as a magnet, but that is not relevant to my comment. I said the problem was avoidable, not that the old Board would have avoided it.

In fact, however, the old Board's three-year assignment plan called for WC to open with a smaller, more racially and socioeconomically diverse group of kids, spread over a year-round schedule. In that scenario, it would have been a high poverty, racially isolated school as those terms are conventionally understood, but the demographics would have been more balanced, and—more importantly—the number of low proficiency students lower.

While there are other elementaries you could have used to better effect, I also think it's factually inaccurate to argue that no one has "really made a fuss" about Barwell. It is a Renaissance School, and I do not believe the proposal to make it so originated with the 2009 Board. It has a principal who on the numbers (while she was at York) must be one of the most effective in the system at producing student growth. Before that it had another highly regarded principal. The problem is not so much that no one made a fuss about it, it's that the fuss has not (yet) transformed it into a highly effective school. 

You know that I agree with you that inadequate attention has been paid to many schools, but that in no way excuses what the Board and staff permitted to occur here. I see no point in assigning blame, but it is certainly legitimate to point out that it could and should have been handled better, and to say how. I tried to do that.

How has being magnetized been working out

How has being magnetized been working out for Brentwood and Smith? You may want to take a look at the 2011-12 Demographic reports for Race and FRL and compare Brentwood and Smith against Walnut Creek. Yes, Walnut Creek is even more racially isoloated, but Brentwood and Smith certainly still meet racially isolated as conventionally understood and their FRL percentages are higher than WCs. For that matter East Garner fits the conventionally understood meaning of racially isolated and it's FRL% is 64.3% compared to 67.2% for Walnut Creek, so not significantly different and it was similarly situated under the pre-2009 Board. Similar situation holds true for Barwell. If you have information from where people made noise about Barwell, I'd be interested in seeing it. Did Cash Michaels write an article for example?

The first person I heard the Renaissance concept from was Tedesco. If you have details on a Renaissance proposal pre-dating the 2009 Board, could you share it? Wouldn't that have required admission and highlighted that the diversity policy wasn't functioning well? The only concept I heard pre-2009 Board to address schools, other than the TAP program at Wilburn (think that might have been Goettee's idea), was changing the FRL% whether by magnatizing or simply through mandatory reassignments exchanging ED nodes for NED nodes. Those concepts to change demographics often don't work out as well as people seem to assume.

BTW - I don't believe wcpss "assigns" teachers to schools. I believe it is a choice process for teachers.

Magnets

 

If you establish the right program, reserve the right number of seats, and provide adequate resources, a magnet program will diversify the school. More is required for the school to succeed, particularly for all students, but my post addressed only the first question.

I do not have any additional information about folks "making noise" about Barwell. I could find no information about a proposal for Barwell predating December 2009, so perhaps you are right about the origin of the proposal. I do not recall that it originated with Mr. Tedesco or had support from only one set of Board members.

A school board has the statutory right to hire teachers for and assign teachers (and anyone else) to schools if it wishes to do so. As long as their pay is not reduced, they have no right to object. I know you recall the example of David Holdzkom.

Do you have links to info

Do you have links to info showing what the demographics of WC were supposed to be under the 3 year plan?  I remember that it was slated to open with about 60-65% F&R, but I don't remember anything about the racial breakdown. 

I am also curious as to how the kids would have been better spread out over a year round calendar.  Not being snarky--genuinely curious.  If a school is 65% F&R, best case scenario is to make each track 65% F&R but we know from current YR schools that that's very difficult.  

I'm really not trying to be argumentative even though I'm sure it seems like it. 

No Links

I haven't looked for the three-year plan lately. I assume it's gone, but it might be archived on the website. I have the old node demographic data, but it is in a database, not suitable for linking. (I think there is a pdf version on my blog, though.) I also have a slightly stale anonymous student roster with node and achievement data. It is too large to email. From a combination of all these, you could check my claims if you want. I'll make them available, but you'll need a copy of Filemaker to use them.

We are only 1/4 of the way

We are only 1/4 of the way through the school year. Seems a bit early to be writing off the year.

1/4 of the way

So how long does it take to hire a teacher and get them on board ?  The positions have not been posted and we are heading into the holiday period and everything slows down.  One would be lucky to have a teacher start by the middle of January - so half the year is gone.  My kids have gone through mid year teacher changes before and it is just lousy.   

money and respect

do you know where the extra $1000/student is coming from? I am curious, it is county funds or are they including SES federal funds in the overall budget? I hope it is county and that if they included SES dollars it would come to $2100 more per child. But everyone on this blog needs to understand that this is not exclusive to WCES.

The reality is that when you break down the total dollar allotments (TDA) and months of employment (MOE) on a per child basis, our highest poverty schools have twice the MOE/child than low poverty schools and equal or less TDA/child. I interpreted this to mean that staff (old staff, this is last years budget information) thought that more teachers would be more effective than more money. But I don't know their actual reason. I know that policy 6200 advocates told us repeatedly that demographic balancing meant lower cost schools, but that was not true. We had plenty of higher needs schools and they have always been given more, and it is the right thing to do. We must put more resources behind the schools and the children that need them.

Second, in my last conversation with someone on the Compassionate Baptist Church education committee, WC is not allowing individuals to help with tutoring after school. The church is an invaluable advocate for this school, but it is not involved in teaching. I just wish that we had more advocates for ALL of our Title I schools - I want more people to advocate for the schools that are moderate poverty (50-60% F&R) and are desperately in need of more MOE. These schools are in a perpetual state of financial limbo, and we ignore them completely.

Finally, where do the parents of WC want their children to go? And will they be happy or angry if they are reassigned to another school? We conveniently forget that low income parents love their kids and want them to receive a solid education, and they have every right to decide where their kids go to school. If the school is overcrowded by choice, we have a major problem. Because we will anger parents when we move their kids out of the school. And then how do we explain the reassignment to them? You are black and low income and therefore creating an unhealthy school (at least in our eyes it is, because of the demographics) and we need to move you out of the school that you want your kids to attend? That does not sound so good when you actually say the words. We should not have let the school become so overcrowded, it should have been capped from the beginning, but we have let many, many schools get this way. Just look at Leesville MS. Why are we not angry about Leesville? Because they are white kids?

We have no idea whether the kids in WC will academically soar or fail, so I am going to wait until I see the EVAAS data and proficiency scores before I comment on whether the school is working or not. If it is working then we need to leave them the hell alone and show these families some respect for once.

LRMS

Oh don't worry, there are plenty of people angry about Leesville MS.

Evaas

If evaas covers a 3 year period of prediction, then would it not be very challenging to tease apart the influence of one year's experience at WCES from each child's prior 2 yrs of experience elsewhere? Especially if the school model was not followed as originally planned? What types of patterns would be considered success?

different EVAAS report

We will know whether the academic growth in levels I-IV for 3rd-5th grade is at the state average, below or above. NCDPI has set an expected level of academic growth for all grade and all subjects. The EVAAS reports are called "school performance diagnostic reports" and they show, at the school level, the standard deviation of the EOG test scores above or below the state mean for a given subject in a given grade within an academic achievement level.  For level I&II that is what matters - did they grow academically or not? Are they being driven to proficiency? For level III & IV (children who are proficient) we will know whether there is sufficient enrichment so that they are making academic growth and are being challenged to reach their full potential. It is VERY unfortunate that Wake is not putting these data on their website, but if you sit down with a board member and look at them you will get the real picture of how our schools are doing. Neil did a public document request and received all the reports for all the schools. I am basing my school selections for my children on these data.

What you are talking about is individual child data that is used to predict success in later courses. For those predictions you need at least 2 years of data. Those prediction are something very different, I am talking about the success of the school within the achievement level subgroups.
 

doc

Try wcpss.net/evaluation-research/reports/2011/achievement2011 (add www. to the front and .pdf to the end to get the actual link which the blog won't let me post)

It's a long document, but if you search by school name, you'll hit charts at the end of the document. Each school has two bar graphs one that shows test scores disaggregated by all sorts of subgroups and another which shows how the school did with expected growth for the same subgroups. It might have the information you are talking about.

So

So for parents who want to see this information they should:

1. Contact their BoE member? OR

2.  Make a public document request? OR

3.  Would Mr. Reimann put the information on a google documents site?

My EVAAS Collection

I am happy to share. Unfortunately, neither SAS nor WCPSS is well incentivized to produce EVAAS data in a usable form. It was produced to me as a banker's box full of printed and stapled reports. If you are willing to sacrifice your anonymity, email me at nriemann at bellsouth.net, and I will be happy to let you (or anyone else) look at it, but it would cost several hundred dollars to have someone image it for posting.

Before you make the sacrifice, note that the data I obtained—black, white, and hispanic growth in reading and in math by grade by elementary and middle school—is for 2010. Note also that at this high level of disaggregation, very few of the results were statistically distinguishable from the statewide average when the errors were considered, though there are notable exceptions.

(While I do not agree with her sweeping conclusions, the EVAAS data Shila sent me for black Algebra I students at Sanderson and Enloe did show significant differences from zero in the growth at both schools. The differences are measured in scale score points, not standard deviations. For the level 1 and 2 kids, the differences were about 2.5 and 6.5 scale score points, respectively. This is a lot when a scale score of 148 is proficient and 140-147 is a Level 2. Black student performance did not differ much from all student performance at either school. For many reasons, it would be a mistake to make much of any of this without knowing more about the kids in each group at each school.)

Cover up

Did Tata, Tedesco and Margiotta really believe they could hide this.  Why did this not come out sooner ? Why is it only now after Michaels is making a stink that additional teachers are being hired ?  It would have been one thing for Tata to say - after the 20 day mark we started recruiting additional teachers and bringing them on board as fast as we can. But that is not the case - Tata is clearly on the defensive here.   As far the the claim that we wanted to make a high demand school - how can one make that claim when students are assigned ?  Unless the school was 100% application the high demand claim is bogus. 

The press is deliberately using this issue to deceive people

Both Bob Geary (because I personally told him) and Cash Michaels (who speaks with Mr. Sutton regularly) know what is being said is a partisan baloney. Keung was there when Mr. Sutton asked that we go to the traditional calender during the work session two weeks before we determined to follow his wishes. So he should be aware as well.  It is public record. Two weeks later per my promise to Keith who led the charge on this I voted with him, Kevin Hill, Anne McLaurin and Debra Goldman to make it a traditional calender. John Tedesco and Ron Margiotta were for a year round calender and Ron especially was none to pleased that it went traditional. Never mind it was Keith Suttons district and some of us followed his lead. Never mind for the moment we made a mistake. Cash Michaels, Bob Geary and even the News and Observer either used this problem to hang it on the majority and to pretend the minority was against it, or didnt bother to correct the slander. All I think for political gain. To motivate voters that they were being targeted for racial and political purposes. Heck they publically attacked Margiotta and Tedesco claiming that those two were responsible. Even worse utilizing careful and technically accurate verbage Kevin Hill tried to hang (and I use the word on purpose) the whole thing on Ron Margiotta in one of his mailers. No he didnt specifically say that, but a casual reader might very well assume that was the case. And Kevin voted for it! And now after the election you are trying it again?! Where is your integrity. 

P.S. For those who want to go another way on attacking the now minority on packing Walnut Creek please read the following. Kudos to Sideburns who I copied this from on her post. Good work.  Its from a previous blog.

"With the exception of the split vote on the calendar, the board unanimously agreed to all the moves filling Walnut Creek Elementary."

My stink

My stink is not with the over crowding per se but not living up to the resources promised.  We are now 3+ months after the enrollment numbers were known and all Tata has to offer is:

Tata said they'll hire additional teachers to get K-2 class size down to the original goal of 15 students. But this means that classes being broken up so that students will face a new teacher this late in the school year.

It would be one thing is he said they were in the process of hiring X teachers, but that is not the case. In fact as of today there are no open teaching positions posted for Walnut Creek. 

With regards to Margiotta and Tedesco - Walnut Creek is a high profile school opening.  As chairman of the BOE and ED Achievement committee respectively  - they are equally accountable. 

 

MALONE...

...put an argyle sock in it! If you're going to quote the record, quote the entire damn thing!

Sutton was following the wishes of his constituents...you know...the 81 PERCENT who voted for him to serve FOUR MORE YEARS!!! They told him parents in SouthEast Raleigh overall don't have the kind of jobs that lend themselves to a YR calendar. Plus, and I'm repeating this from elsewhere in this thread...

....Walnut Creek Elementary is in SouthEast Raleigh, the poorest area of city, and one of the poorest in the county. Making it YR won't work. Since this is a neighborhood school, families there do not have the money for expensive childcare during trackout, nor are there anywhere near the number of trackout programs available in that area. As folks in North Raleigh and Cary know, those programs cost money to enroll your kid.

No one denies that EVERY board member, including Sutton and Hill, voted for the WC reassignments. But, as the record shows, that was with the assurance from Margiotta and the NC-Schools-Supt-wannabe that WC would get special attention, staffing and adequate resources to ensure that things went right.

Well it doesn't sound to me that YOU, Margiotta, Wannabe, or Tata did a very good job, did YOU? And since Tata has to follow your "new and improved" proximity Policy 6200, then damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't...when it came to managing capacity there.

Where was he going to send the overflow...YOUR house? You know Garner doesn't want any SE Raleigh kids. So you put Tata in a hole, then scream bloody murder about someone else when he's stuck, can't get out, and has to cry help to you to bring s shovel!

How nice!

This is no political trap of ANY sort, Malono! This is simply you guys creating high ticket high poverty schools, then forgeting about them, just like in every other public school district. Then you try to blame somebody else when the egg is squarely on your Tea Party FACES!

Please, get a grip, a life, and a good night sleep, will ya? Tuesday is a BIG day (if you KNOW what I mean?)!

You are pretty good at

You are pretty good at reading what wasn't written and jumping to conclusions. hey missed the goal of class sizes to allow everyone who wanted to attend to attend. They are now correcting the issue of reduced class sizes and you are screaming cover up? I hear Cash complaining, what I haven't heard are Walnut Creek Parents complaining. 

Ok

Ok then help me with two simple questions: 

1. How were students selected to go to Walnut Creek ?  A. Application / Choice  or B. Assignment

2. Tata said they are going to hire more teachers.  What prompted this ?  Of the teaching positions currently open in wcpss - there are none listed for Walnut Creek. 

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T. Keung Hui covers Wake schools.
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