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Questioning the school board committee assignments

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It's no accident that Wake County school board member Kevin Hill is only on one board committee.

As noted in today's article, school board chairman Ron Margiotta said he only had Hill on the human resources committee because of his lack of cooperation with the new board majority.

Margiotta said he obtained copies of e-mails Hill had sent to members of the public trying to "stir up the pot" against the majority.

"Kevin Hill has been the most critical of what we're trying to do," Margiotta said in the article. "The committees can be adjusted once I feel Kevin Hill is willing to be more cooperative."

Hill said placing him and Anne McLaurin on only a few committees contradicted the notion that the majority wants to work with the minority. Combined, Hill and McLaurin are on three committees. They're not chairs or vice chairs.

All four new board members are on between three and five committees. All are committee chairs with Debra Goldman and John Tedesco chairing two apiece.

But Tedesco pointed to how they can work with members of the minority, particularly Keith Sutton and Carolyn Morrison. Combined, Sutton and Morrison chair one committee and are vice chairs on four committees. (I'm not including the so-called legislative committee as an actual committee.)

Margiotta says he honored most of the committee requests that board members had made.

In McLaurin's case, she said she had asked to stay on the policy and student achievement committees. She's still on policy but is now on the facilities committee.

"I guess the board will do whatever it wants to do," McLaurin said. "I'll serve wherever I am on."

Click here for the new committee list. Click here for the list that had been developed by Hill before Margiotta was elected chairman.

Hill would have had the other eight board members each serve on two standing committees. All the committees would have had four members.

Margiotta's new committees have three members. Hill said he's concerned that having fewer members will cut down on the diversity of thoughts on the committees.

All board members can attend any commitee meetings. But only the committee members can vote in those meetings.

Hill would have kept Margiotta as chair of the policy committee.

Margiotta said he had been asked before to lead the policy committee because the old board considered it to be a "meaningless committee."

During Margiotta's tenure on policy, he was charged largely with conducting the review of board policies that had been called for in the curriculum management audit. The committee also dealt with policy revisions required by changes in state and federal laws.

The policy committee is far more high profile now that it will deal with the proposed changes to the student assignment policy. Goldman will chair that important committee.

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Frankly Sutton and Morrison don't deserve to be committee heads

They were appointed to their positions. At least McLaurin and Hill were elected. I think ELECTED officials should represent us.

Well if that is your view

Okay if you are so concerned where was all this criticism of the OLD Board and every other government Board, town council, county commissioners, State and federal governments etc. E.g. in the healthcare reconciliation process they democrats are only negotiating with other democrats no republicans all the board chairmanships and memebrships are similarly run. You should start a PAC and loby for how you feel things should be changed

BS

That's all I have to say. Mr. Hill has done nothing but be professional in every meeting I have seen since the election. Given the behavior of the Board I commend him for keeping it above board. He has given articulate reasons for his disagreement and alternative.

Ron did neither when he was in the minority.

LOL Good one! I know you are

LOL Good one! I know you are joking. Hill acts like a spoiled, immature child every time he doesn't get his way. He should resign if he cannot find a way to past his personal feelings and start working for his constituents.

In the beginning I was concerned about Sutton, but so far he has surprised me...in a good way. In the meetings, he is respectful and a gentleman. I know he may disagree with the new majority on some things, but he also has the maturity to understand he has to work with everyone if he is going to have a chance of reaching compromise on the things he is passionate about.

Specific Examples please

Hill acts like a spoiled, immature child every time he doesn't get his way.

Meeting dates and situations please!

  The meetings are posted on WRAL now.  I recently watched the 12/5  meeting portion concerning the new assignment policy and the Hill I saw was nothing as you describe- calmly and quietly noting his concerns  and objections for the record.

 BTW it was hard not to giggle at the agenda mistake regarding Farr.  You could tell Ron's feathers were a bit ruffled when he mumbled how he had given up vacation time with the family on New Year's eve to negotiate the billing rate to be presented at this meeting.   Oh well...

looks like we are both still

looks like we are both still waiting on those specific dates or situations from woodstock! 

In the beginning I was

In the beginning I was concerned about Sutton,

Why? 

Do you have any specific examples where Mr. Hill has acted "like a spoiled, immature child "?  I've never heard anyone say this before nor thought that myself.

 

Why was I concerned about

Why was I concerned about Sutton? His involvement with the disrespectful Friend's of Diversity fiasco the day before the election for one. That was a direct attempt to subvert the election and denounce the now sitting board majority.

As for Hill, you must not have been present at or watched any of the school board meetings? His loud sighs, rolled eyes, disrespectful tone, and predictions of doom are classic juvenile behaviors.

why do you call the Friends

why do you call the Friends of Diversity rally (thats what it was right?) disrespectful? 

Are you sure you know which one Hill is?  I have never heard him described that way.  Maybe you mixed him up?

Keung - I've been wondering

What exactly has the 'Friends of Diversity' done since their 'news conference' the day before the election?

 Anything? 

Haven't heard anything from

Haven't heard anything from that group itself since the election. But there is a strong correlation with the membership of the Great Schools in Wake Coalition.

2 names that say absolutely

2 names that say absolutely nothing about what these people represent.  Hypocritical indeed.

They changed their name

to Great Schools in Wake Coalition.

LOL All you do is ask

LOL

All you do is ask questions. Did you just arrive on planet earth?

I don't have the time to explain the history of the world to you.

was that to me?  huh?  not

was that to me?  huh?  not sure what you have added to the discussion here, if you want my personal email to send these type of comments to I would be happy to provide it to you.

Boy, nothing gets by

Boy, nothing gets by you.

 Ah, no, I won't be needing your personal email. Thanks.

 

Anyone that questions the

Anyone that questions the committee assignments really just does not get it. WCPSS is heading in a more positive, education-focused and family-friendly direction. Those who are not on-board with that and that prefer to complain rather than work within the new conceptual framework will be left out. It is very naive to think it should be otherwise.

Sutton and Morrison have demonstrated that eventhough they disagree with some things, they will work within the new dynamic and direction to assert their influence where they can and work for compromise when possible. Hill and McLaurin-Meeker have shown absolutely no interest at all in participating in the new direction. They get what they sow...so be it.

duplicate post

duplicate post

Really?

So the fact that Mr. Margiotta was penalized by the former board for having a different point of view makes it okay to do the same thing to Mr. Hill? Please, this is not junior high

My point is that Mr. Margiotta appears to be punishing other Board members who have the audacity to disagree with him and the newly elected members. And I am very much afraid it's going to come back to haunt all of us.

As someone who fervently wants what the new board is trying to achieve, I do NOT want anything screwing it up. And it looks like they really are trying with both hands to do just that.

The new board has plans and

The new board has plans and they are determined to see them through. I applaud their efforts. Finally doing what they have said they will.

Your comment does not make sense

If the new Board did not put themselves into these committees and left the old board members than rather than assisting what they were trying to do in a constructive manner they would just slow them down and try to prevent - I think this statement is accurate based on actions of the past 2-4 years. So in that light it is not "punishment" per se is is needed to be effective. This is similar to what occurs in the state and federal legislators as far as committee assignments.

I'm Just Calling Out The Hypocrisy!

You are complaining about Mr. Hills contituents being disregarded, but I didn't see you around complaining when the exact same thing was happening to Mr. Margiotta's.  If you want to make a point, make sure it's a valid one.  I agree that Mr. Margiotta needs to look forward and not back.  At the same time, I think he has the right to have the respect of all his board members.  If Mr. Hill is doing what he is saying, then Mr. Hill needs to be ashamed of himself.

P.S.  I know a lot of constituents in Mr. Hill's district that can't wait for the next election so they can vote him out if he decides to run again.  Once again it's whoever you talk to! 

 I know a lot of

 I know a lot of constituents in Mr. Hill's district that can't wait for the next election so they can vote him out if he decides to run again.  Once again it's whoever you talk to!

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He will get even less votes than Horace Tart in October!

Two more years...

Sorry, Janis, you're wrong

I have been posting to this blog for years, always in support of Mr. Margiotta, wiping out MYR and stopping the stupid busing and reassignment nonsense.  I moved my children to a private school to avoid dealing with it all.  So you have no idea what you're talking about.  Frankly, I don't recall seeing your non de plume on here until recently.

The new board is not taking the high road in this, and it WILL come back to haunt us.  The more flagrant their actions and the less they seem willing to at least talk to and hear from the other side in these issues, the more the other side will rally their troops.  From what I've heard from the people at my church, most of whom have kids who attend Leesville schools, it sure sounds like the people who like YR are banding together and may well prove to be a force to reckon with, if not possibly outnumber those who want traditional.

I pray I am wrong, but time will tell.

YOU are wrong. I

YOU are wrong. I disagree with every one of your assertions.  

The new board has done nothing except exactly what they said they would.  That IS the "high road." It is bias by the N&O and the status quo supporters that has fueled the controversy about the BoE majoritiy's tactic. Robert's Rules of Order were followed by -- and confirmed by legal council -- at every school board meeting. Change may upsent some people, but that is just the way it goes. You can spend time complaining about it, or work within the new dynamic to influence the change you seek.

Well, obviously that's Mr. Hill's only choice

And here I thought this was a democracy where dissent was welcomed.

I'm not wrong.  The new board is being to look like a bunch of tyrants who only seek to do what they want to do without listening to the other side.  If you recall (though people certainly do sometimes have very short memories about these things), that is EXACTLY what got the other board booted.  And rightfully so.  But apparently this new board isn't thinking about how history so often repeats itself.

You don't seem to understand

You don't seem to understand that the old board listened, BUT did not respond to the concerns of students and parents. The new majority listened and are now taking appropriate action. HUGH DIFFERENCE.

No...

What got the last board booted was implementing a bunch of assignment and schedule changes without concern to the impact it would have on families.   The new board is now trying to undo those changes.

 

That's 100% correct.  Thank

That's 100% correct.  Thank you for clearing that up Bob.  The contraversy here is totally fabricated by people who don't want these changes made.  People who obviously don't believe in parent choice or putting families first.

Proving you're in total denial

I have always, always supported the things that Ron and the new board are trying to do.  Always.  I donated to Wake Cares, if it matters.  I couldn't vote in the election since it didn't affect my district, but I want what this board wants.  They are going about it the wrong way and, frankly, in an unchristian way.  You can go ahead and mock me all you want for feeling this way, I don't really care. 

Your lack of vision and utter lack of a sense of fairness shocks and disgusts me.

NC Parent - confirmation

just to confirm on YR parents outnumbering traditional calendar parents - you are wrong (but keep praying as it is good for the soul!).

Interesting aside on the whole YR vs. traditional calednar thing. I think it is a validation that parents prefer traditional calendars to YR when I see that (please someone correct me if I am wrong that all except for 1 of the private schools) are traditional calendar.

seriously?

You're making the assumption that because private schools are traditional then everyone prefers it.

Ignorance is bliss.

No I am stating a plausible cause and effect

I am stating that we have a large amount of MYR and private schools that are almost exlcusively traditional and for most people calendar schedule is a significant factor in their decisions on schools and therefore if they preferred year round they would stay in public or the private schools would operate on a year round school schedule.  Completely reasonable unless you feel that parents do not have a preference for calendar choices but I think that was a major election issue and lots of  commnet on this so I think it is accurate to describe it as a significant factor and that 1 reason people chose prviate is due to calendar.  I am one of them and no additional people as well

Same goes for Magnet

People forget that in 2004, 2005 & 2006 when the BOE was pushing for all MYR - many parents starting applying for Magnets to get the TR - heck they even promoted it in their Magnet meetings!

Well...

Clearly, some people prefer year-round schools or voluntary year-round schools just wouldn't exist. 

But, it also seems pretty clear that there isn't a huge demand for year-round schools, and you can look at the behavior of private schools to see that. 

Private schools survive only by giving their "customers" what they
want -- if their customers are dissatisfied, they will leave and the
private school will have to close.  Further, private schools compete
with each other.  You would think that if a year-round schedule were
more attractive to families, then private schools would tend to offer
that schedule.  After all, nobody survives (for long) by not giving their customers what they want because eventually somebody else will.

That dynamic doesn't apply to public schools because they're effectively funded at the point of a gun and not voluntarily.

"Private schools survive

"Private schools survive only by giving their "customers" what they want "

Remember WCPSS's "customers" are taxpayers who pay the bill and say I really don't care much about the quality of education but I do care alot about the cost .... so give me what will keep me barely above the legal line at the lowest cost possible ... so stuff kids in trailers, run around the clock / year ... what ever it takes to keep taxes down ... taxpayers set the rules when it comes to WCPSS's flexiblity and what they get pushed into doing ....

Let's Remember

Who really pays the taxes - please look to the property tax base and determine where the majority of the money comes from to support Wake County Schools - let alone who actually pays the taxes!

Well....

So, first of all, "voters" would be more applicable.  There are lots of people in the county who vote but don't pay property taxes and vice-versa.  

Secondly, that's a really cynical view of taxpayers.  If it's accurate, then how does any district get good quality schools?  I suggest that taxpayers want a good value -- they don't want to see money wasted -- but generally also recognize the value of education.  Now, there are certainly those for whom that's not true, but I don't think they're the majority.  (That would, however, be a good question for PPP to run.)  Most of us came from public schools paid for by somebody else and recognize that not paying for public education is incredibly short sighted.  As you've pointed out elsewhere, we'll either pay to educate them now or pay to incarcerate them later.

 

"Secondly, that's a really

"Secondly, that's a really cynical view of taxpayers. "

Sorry ... let's test it ... ask a few random folks at Walmart if they would pay $10/month more in taxes for more for Algebra teachers.  Or would they pay $20/month (short term) to prevent more incarcerations 20 years from now (long term)? 

Bob maybe you live in an affluent area with lots of disposable income and I live in a mixed area with more singles and retirees.  Most people, I know, would say the schools are good enough.   Watch the movie "Go Tigers" about a season with the legedary Massillon football team in Ohio.  The school is falling down and teachers have not had a raise in three year and are about to walk out and there were still many who voted against a tax increase.

There are many places in the US that indulge the schools and probably pay too much in taxes but Wake Co. is not one of them.  If bond money had flowed freely, YR would probably never come up.

"If it's accurate, then how does any district get good quality schools?"

I think most would not have good schools if there were not laws on what had to be done.   And even with laws there are many counties skimming the bottom always close to be taken over by the state.  It is a race to the bottom for taxpayer not top.

I'll point out....

That about 1/3 of the money from the last bond went toward existing schools.  I don't know why, for example, Enloe needed a new weight room when there was such a need for new schools.  Seems like an odd priority.

I suspect that Wake has turned down previous bond requests largely because of a lack of trust with previous boards.   Taxpayers rarely turn out for school board elections, and are happy to let the schools do crazy things until taxpayers are asked to PAY for those crazy things.

Voters lost trust in the previous boards.  We now have a board that is undoing many of those perceived crazy things -- the H6 site that kept going up in price; "Wacky Wednesdays" (called that for a reason), a busing policy that's perceived to be expensive (whether it actually is or not).

There are other reforms that the district should consider -- adopting more of a Johnston County style building approach, maximizing classroom space, for example.  It could also consider offering options like schools without acres of athletic fields but with high-quality academic programs. 

If the board adopts many of these reforms, it will be able to credibly claim to be good stewards of the money entrusted to it by the public.  And, that will get them a long way toward getting the next bond passed.

"I suspect that Wake has

"I suspect that Wake has turned down previous bond requests largely because of a lack of trust with previous boards"

Bob ... I have been here 30 years and never even knew we had a BOE for many of those years ... all I knew is they wanted more money for a bond every few years ... I did not know the people wanting more parks were different from those wanting more schools ......I had no trust issues since I did not even know who the people were ... I don't think I was that unusual ... I think since you live and breath BOE every day on the blog you think others around you care about this stuff .... if I asked my neighbor if they heard what Ron did they would say "Ron who?"... it was all whether people could afford it and how much businesses and PTAs cried for the help ... personally, I would always vote for education in any form under any party since I value education ...

So....

I agree with you that if you don't have kids in school, you don't generally pay attention to school issues.   But, in situations like the failed 1999 bond issue (I think that was the year), there was a concerted effort to defeat the bond -- it wasn't just a bunch of individuals saying "I don't think so."  There were a lot of public figures who came out in opposition to the bond; they managed to sway people over to their side and, as a result, the bonds were defeated.

It's those public figures who need to be convinced.  And, I think they can be if the district adopts a prudent approach to spending.

 

 

Wasn't the Taxpayers

Wasn't the Taxpayers Assocition behind it all?  Plus, they had technology/computers cost in the bond as I recall.

Wow

Kevin doesn't agree with me so he can go to he!!. Little Napoleon is really flexing his self righteous muscle.
Mr Hui, I believe those e-mails are public information. Mind getting a copy of these so called 'stir the pot' emails and providing for all to review.

Have you ever had a pleasant

Have you ever had a pleasant day?

Hey, honest request - could

Hey, honest request - could you keep these type of comments off the blog?  Perhaps you could ask Support for their personal emial and harass / make personal comments offline so the rest of us don't have to read it? 

Thanks!

 

carson

Ignore it.  woodstock and G88 go in the category of immediate delete.

Thanks!

Glad to know I moved up in your meaningless rankings! 

I never asked you read it.

I never asked you read it. That was your choice.

FYI: It is not your job to tell me what and what not to post.

 

Thank you for continuing to

Thank you for continuing to prove my point.

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