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Potentially improving relations between the WEP and the school board majority

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Will the tense relationship between the Wake County school board majority and the Wake Education Partnership become more relaxed now?

As noted in today's article, members of the board majority are saying that the hiring of Steve Parrott to be the WEP's new president is a good sign. The traditionally good relationship between the board and the WEP has been strained over the elimination of the diversity policy.

“Our relationship hasn’t recently been the best,” said school board chairman Ron Margiotta. “It’s been strained. Hopefully we have someone now who will look at all the facts and not blindly support the past practices that were in place.”

Margiotta said Parrott's business background is a plus because he'll look at all the data and not "sugar coat" problems with academic achievement under the old student assignment policy.

The WEP is also touting Parrott's business background and ability to build consensus.

"We believe we are the voice of the business community and we need a leader who can talk the business talk," said Gordon Brown, chairman of the WEP's board of directors.

Margiotta argued that some of the same people who've criticizing the school board for even considering hiring a businessman to be a superintendent have no issue with hiring Parrott

That same point was the emphasis of a Thursday press release from Joey Stansbury, director of the conservative Wake Community Network. He asks where's the outcry from the Great Schools in Wake Coalition and others who've complained about the school board potentially hiring a non-educator.

"Will those with shrill voices and arrest records now project those criticisms at the Wake Education Partnership?," Stansbury says in the press release. "Or are their current superintendent search criticisms more of the same hollow political rhetoric we’ve come to expect from them? We shall see."

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I don't think it is an issue

I don't think it is an issue of "improving relations" so much as it is making the WEP even relevent. Ann Dingalinger bowed to the wishes of the Jim Goodman/Harvey Schmitt left-wing contingent of the local business community so much that any semblance of being a proponent of education was completely lost. I hope Mr. Parrott (unfortuate name considering the how Dingalinger mouthed the words of her masters) can revive this organization.

I think WEP hiring a

I think WEP hiring a businessman is more easily understandable than WCPSS hiring a businessman. This is not to say that WCPSS would be ill advised to hire a businessman but I wouldn't go to the extent of using WEP's search for a President to rationalize WCPSS' Supdt search effort.

There is a HUGE difference

There is a HUGE difference between hiring a non-educator to be a fundraiser and build support for education in the business community.... and hiring a non-educator to implement educational policy, motivate and inspire teachers. 

And I hope he does look at the MOUNTAINS of research that shows high poverty neighborhood schools are money consuming sinkholes that do not work.  Most, if not all the examples of high poverty schools that do well, are not neighborhood schools. They are choice enrolled charters that self-select families who are able to provide transportation, and abide by extra-commitment contracts.  Of course a school made up of families who commit to things like longer school days, longer years, and mandatory Saturday tutoring is going to be successful!   Their parents even deal with more teacher workdays and weekly early dismissals!!!!  No wonder they do well. 

Mountains of research

Here is the mountains of research that I would like to see - MOUNTAINS of research that shows that INDIVIDUAL student achievement is increased for students from high-poverty neighborhoods who are bussed to lower poverty schools. In other words show me the MOUNTAINS of research that shows that it is socioeconomic (SE) diversity BUSSING that drives achievement. If the existing research uses SE diverse community schools as data inputs that does not validate that SE diversity BUSSING drives achievement - it only tells us that low-income students living in SE diverse communities and attending SE diverse community schools have higher achievement, which seems logical because in their case it is not an either (community and parent proximity) or (diversity), but a both.

Now, I'm guessing that given that only about 1% of school districts in the entire nation BUS to create SE diverse schools and Wake County, which is the largest of those districts, REFUSED to do this research that you will have difficulty providing MOUNTAINS of research to validate a "SE diversity BUSSING policy drives achievement" theory. Now, it seems to me that those who support this theory should have been all over doing the research to validate the theory, but instead they refused.

Research that focuses only on overall school scores also tells me nothing. That is the equivilant of saying we did all this research and determined that fields with mostly blue flowers in them are mostly blue and fields with mostly yellow flowers in them are mostly yellow - well, no duh, I could have told you that and saved the research time. All that shows is that most places have an achievement gap (we already knew that), and therefore, the schools with mostly students at the top of the gap have higher overall score than schools with mostly students at the bottom of the gap and that students at the bottom cost more to try to get over the bar. Show me that data that plucking the blue flowers, transporting them to a field with many yellow flowers while transporting yellow flowers to the blue field actually consistently makes the flowers grow and will close the gap.

Don't tell me the gap can't be closed because some have done it. Don't dismiss them with statements of "they are a rarity, that's why they make them movies". Tell me why they are rarities. Tell me is different about them (do they have magical powers?). Tell me why we can't make it happen here and have a movie made about Wake County. Tell me what is wrong with this county that it can't be done and why this county is OK with being just another place where disadvantaged kids fail and then we pay for too many of them to be housed in prisons. Tell me why our by school pass rates are all over the place - why we have low-poverty schools where low-income students do horrible and schools with higher poverty levels where they are doing relatively well. Tell me why a system where only 59% (or is it 58%) of low-income students are graduating deserves accolades and why we should just keep doing what we were doing and apparently be happy with that result because doing the same thing over and over won't get you a different result.

Give me MOUNTAINS of answers, instead of the same defeatist rhetoric over and over without suggesting any solutions other than keep bussing even though we refused to prove that it actually raises achievement here in Wake County.

If you don't want to answer all that maybe Mr. Parrot will have those answers. I'd also like his insight into whether he would be satisfied with his business if it produced those results and if it did would he keep the same business model or look at changing his model.

Superintendent?

"And I hope he does look at the MOUNTAINS of research that shows high poverty neighborhood schools are money consuming sinkholes that do not work."

I think the statement above more accurately describes the responsibilities and concerns of the Superintendent. And therefore your statement supports the direction of having a person with business experience in that role. 

Regardless of background, I look forward to having someone more objective, data driven and results oriented as Superintendent. Here's hoping the days of the blindly ideological demagogues are over - Burns (check), Dulaney (check), Denlinger (check), Holdzkum - tbd. 

I think it's a little

I think it's a little ill-advised to say that the superintendent should be concerned with high poverty schools being "money consuming sinkholes that don't work", only to turn around and say that a superintendent who tried to avoid those sinkholes was a blind ideological demagogue.

Words in my mouth again

It would be ill-advised to put words in people's mouths too.

I was not the one who said that there would be high poverty schools that would be money consuming sinkholes. Read again, and see that I was simply copying the statement from the other poster and pointing out that this was - although not reflective of what I believe - still, a financial statement falling more within the responsibility of the superintendent than that of WEP. The other poster was the one who flavored the financial concern of where money is spent on schools with their own prediction. I don't prescribe to the logic that these schools will be automatically be sinkholes at all. My philosophies are more hopeful than that, and I guess I'd be more likely to give children the opportunities and support to show the talents that they were born with, like uh, allowing them to take Algebra I when they are tested and qualify? 

I think the assumption that a school in low income areas of the county will automatically be sinkholes is arrogant, shallow thinking and evidence of the previous ideology that's gotten us into the poor achievement results. There are programs out there that work, and we need to pick some of those instead of one that simply makes the demagogues (on either side) feel good about themselves. 

Could you give me an example

Could you give me an example of a "normal" high poverty school that is doing well?  That should be the goal for WCPSS when we create them?

The ones I know about have been made into books and/or movies.

By "normal", I mean not a charter school (or other specialized school) with 200-300 students.

Could you give me an example

Could you give me an example of a "normal" high poverty school that is doing well?  That should be the goal for WCPSS when we create them?
 
There are plenty of high poverty schools that do well. Many of the parochial schools in poor neighborhoods are successful. These types of schools have been cited in the education literature. And many schools on military bases are successful. I believe CBS did a report on these schools several years ago.
 
What do these schools have in common? Discipline. Disresspect and classroom disruptions are simply not tolerated. Seems like common sense to me.

OK....I don't think there

OK....I don't think there are parochial options for Wake County, and I'm pretty sure we can't get a military school system here since Wake County doesn't have a military base.  I'd prefer an example that could actually be plausible for our area, if you don't mind.

I would imagine that military schools (US military, not Hargrave Military) are a bit of an anomaly because many military families that live on base have a stay at home parent.  They don't have to struggle to live as they might if they were living outside the base with the associated housing costs.

I really am shocked that you would say "parochial schools" when I asked for an example.  If I asked you for an example of a successful treatment for back pain, would you say "WakeMed"?

I don't think anyone has ever said that discipline isn't important. 

Discipline? Oh horrors, are

Discipline? Oh horrors, are you suggesting we hold these kids responsible for their actions in school?

It's a radical idea, but it

It's a radical idea, but it might work.

They exist

I don't have time to dig too deep, but if I can I'll try to get to it later. They exist. And the skeptics are well noted, as in this very hopeful report from Milwaukee. 

 

High Performance in High Poverty Schools: 

90/90/90 and Beyond 

 

(www)

.sabine.k12.la.us/online/leadershipacademy/high%20performance%2090%2090%2090%20and%20beyond.pdf

 

By Douglas B. Reeves

 

INTRODUCTION 

This article provides a review of research in high poverty schools that have also demonstrated 

high academic performance. The term “90/90/90” was originally coined by the author in 1995 

based on observations in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, where schools had been identified with the 

following characteristics:  90% or more of the students were eligible for free and reduced lunch, 

90% of more of the students were members of ethnic minority groups, and 90% or more of the 

students met the district or state academic standards in reading or another area (Reeves, 2000). 

 
(from further in the report:)
 

 

CRITICS, CYNICS, AND URBAN EDUCATION SUCCESS 

We must take a few minutes to address the inevitable critics who appear to be constitutionally 

unable to believe that a success story in urban education exists. Whenever I share results such as 

those in Norfolk, Wayne Township, Milwaukee, Riverview Gardens, Freeport, or other 

successful urban schools, critics inevitably roll their eyes and allege that this surely must be a 

flash in the pan, the product of a frenzy of test preparation rather than sustainable reform. Others 

have claimed that the results must be due to the.... (etc)

SDR ... I don't think anyone

SDR ... I don't think anyone (please pipe up) thinks that poor kids can not learn , that high poverty schools can not be high quality schools,  that poor kids can not beat affluent kids getting into college ... anything is possible!!!! ... we believe  ... people are waiting for the other shoe ... the re-organization, the increase in funds, the movement of resources to implement the change ... it appears we are on a path to get a different assignment model based on zones where most kids will go to the same school with the same teacher learning the same material from the same books .... and folks are wondering, "was it that easy" .. we just have to say the work "zones" and the achievement gap closes, everyone gets an expanded selection of advanced classes, disparities by income disappear and all the school are above average ...

You don't think?

Ok. I'll take the bait. Who will pipe up that think poor kids can't learn? Uh - those who think that busing works. Uh - those who think that a school in SE Raleigh can't work. So. It takes time for the system to change. Yes, we are getting a new assignment model. It doesn't mean that there won't be, along with it, a new program for every school. Schools with different challenges will have programs to address them. 

Huh...

The problem is that "Normal" means "doing things the same old way."  I think we all agree that's a failing recipe.  It's only abnormal schools that seem to do well, and they're the ones we should be copying.

ARgh...

So, wouldn't that mean that you're asking WEP to continue its non-productive advesarial relationship with the school district?  That doesn't seem particularly productive.  In my view, WEP should, instead, focus on places where it has common ground with the board majority.

There's plenty of evidence that Wake's former assignment policy wasn't helping the students it purported to.  And, I think if you look at that "Mountain" of research, you'll discover that none of it shows any pattern of success in districts that have adopted policies similar to Wake's former policy. 

As to your dismissal of "choice-enrolled charters," you seem to be complaining that they pick the low-hanging fruit.  That may be, but there's no evidence that the low-hanging fruit would have been picked in the schools it came from.   Better to pick some fruit than none at all.

Exactly!

Hands clapping! 

Perhaps Ron will listen now when this businessman tells him that what he is doing will cost us a lot of money, harm our community economically, and not improve student achievement among economically disadvantaged kids they profess to have concern for one bit.

LOL You are so funny

LOL You are so funny sometimes ...always spouting the party line.  Do you ever have an original thought? From his bio, Mr. Parrott seems plenty smart enough and accomplished enough to see through that kind of lame and politically motivated rhetoric. If not, he'll be following Dingalinger out the door.

Why would you assume Mr.

Why would you assume Mr. Parrott would come to the conclusion that the forced busing program should be preserved?  Did Mayor Meeker or other members of the local Illuminati weigh in on his selection?

I believe the jury is still

I believe the jury is still out on whether the new BOE cares for ED students. Given the past math placement criteria, I think we know where the old BOE stands (along with Brannon, Wright, and Barber).

Cares about ED students?

Personally I don't believe the jury is still out on how the Wake County School Board feels about ED students. I take it you mean 'educationally disadvantaged'?

Discussions for the past several months have been about ED students. If you have been unable to attend before, I invite you to come to the next meeting of the school board's 'Socio-economically Disadvantaged students' committee. Attendees have come from across Wake County and includes interested community people, employees and principals of the Wake County School System and administrative staff. It is refreshing to participate in respectful, thoughtful conversations without loud words and insults.

To paraphrase user1-5: E.D.

To paraphrase user1-5:

E.D. = Economically Disadvantaged

   I take it you mean

   I take it you mean 'educationally disadvantaged'?

The NC DOE lists ED as ...

E.D. = Economically Disadvantaged

N.E.D. = Not Economically Disadvantaged

L.E.P. = Limited English Proficiency

Is there a movement to replace economically with educationally?

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