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Noting Margiotta isn't a "native North Carolina name"

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Add this to the list of the natives vs. outsiders argument in the Wake County school diversity fight.

In an editorial Wednesday in the Wilmington Journal, the African American newspaper praises the accreditation review that will be conducted of Wake. Along the way, the editorial staff took a shot at school board chairman Ron Margiotta not being a native of North Carolina.

"The right wingnuts forgot that back in March, after Wake School Board Chairman Ron Margiotta (there’s a “native” North Carolina name for ya) called the audience during a school board meeting “animal coming out of their cages” (yep, got him on tape), the NC NAACP did something very smart," the editorial states.

The "very smart" thing they're referring to is the NAACP complaint filed with the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools that led to the accreditation review.

The Margiotta comment comes after Raleigh Mayor Charles Meeker said in June that members of the school board majority "are not from the area" and "don't share our values."

The new comment also came after the March remarks in which the Rev. William Barber, president of the state NAACP, compared the school board majority to the Mafia. Supporters of the board majority took it to be a slur on Margiotta's Italian American heritage.

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Miserable and depressing

Wilmington isn't that far. You'd think they'd have more of a clue of what's really going on here, rather than what is chewed up and fed to them. But, sadly there are so few real reporters left in the media. Newsflash, non-Enquirer readers:  - its MORE than white vs black and its MORE than north vs south. Holy cow, is this whole sorry scandalous story about power.  I desperately wish a real investigative reporter would dig into it. They would quickly reveal a treasure trove of unreported facts that would rock this county. 

Here's another newsflash. Slaveholders had Southern names. Lots of old conjurers have Southern names  even today - - - conjurers who would like to use the emotions of folks who don't really read all the data. Political conjurers who would love to use the black vote. Look up the historical term and you'll see they are alive and working today. 

Wake up folks. Please wake up. 

There are things to be learned from all facets of the American experience. I hope we can all respect that. Or, do you want to only be respected by the color of your skin or your name or what language you speak? Shall we assign levels of respect based on your name or your color or your religion? Would the Wilmington Paper like to start to define that system please? 

Look up a few brave Northerners like abolitionist James Redpath from Boston who established Memorial Day in a black civil war soldier cemetery in Charleston SC, and then think about if you'd like to kick these type of rabble rousers out for good. Yes, I'm sorry to say they will shake things up, look in the mirror and probably be impolite  it.  Not always right, for sure.

But not necessarily wrong, based on their name or color or state of origin. Is there more or less bias in the South against Yankees than against those with a clearly foreign name? Are you - UH - discriminatory in this way? Are Sanchez or Zueng or Muranaka or Gupta - Southern names? (or should I qualify the American South?) Are these damned Yankees too?

Sometimes a good shake up is just exactly what a community needs. Sorry NC. The Redpaths and the Margiottas (and Guptas, Zuengs, Huis, Sanchezes etc) are here for a good long while. Let's all consider how that might be a good thing. We are the melting pot are we not? Maybe places like the Industrial cities in the North had to deal with more 'diversity' earlier. 

BTW - is Dulaney a Southern name? Seems to me he came from California. Not Southern, and yet the Holy Father of the Great and Sacred Southern Policy 6200 - - by which children must be bused again and again and again to achieve social (fantasy) utopia. And ..... Holdzcum - is that a Southern name? Doesn't sound like it. And yet the name of the architect of the wickedly brilliant Effectiveness Index that skews black children down several levels, especially if they are low income, several levels down in expectation. Very very low expectations. Shouldn't expect much, so even if they are themselves brilliant, let's keep them down. Especially if they are black, poor things. And poor. tsk tsk. Shouldn't expect much. And he will tell you with dogmatic arrogance, spittle and hardly a breath why this is right and just. Again - the important thing, according to the Wilmington Newspaper is that this is not a Southern name. 

BTW, I think I'd like to get a list of "Southern Names". What is the appropriate etiquette?  Should I bow in the street? Prostrate myself or just bring a gift? 

All kidding aside, this dialog should be about children learning. All of our children, regardless of color or name or origin or religion OR income. Or do they only need to have Southern Names to be preferred? I would hope not.

In my humble opinion, the Wilmington Newspaper should read the facts, not just the pre-chewed pablum served up by their media brethern. They might have their foundations shook. And it might be a good thing. Start with the SAS report. Read for yourself, Wilmington, read for yourself. 

 (CCCAAC - have you read it yet? Margiotta is the least of your problems.)

Power Struggle & Culture Clash

I'll agree this is a power struggle.  However, it's a culture clash too.  As a Southerner with a "non-Southern name" and very little accent, I've had non-Southerner's profess some very interesting views of the South. We grow tired of the insults about how things are done in the South. It amazes me that people move here and do not that the time to learn about the school system and how it works.  Most school systems in the South are county wide school systems, not based on townships. I always rode the bus to school.  I didn't walk. Wake County was obviously able to build a great school system without all of the newcomers that are here now.  In fact, it is because of all of the growth that the school system is having problems.  WCPSS tried to accommodate of the new students moving to the area.  They couldn't build schools fast enough.  Some people didn't like how the school board & county commissioners handled  it (MYR ).  People moving to this area and adding kids to the school system are the reason for the problems we are having right now with school system. I'll welcome anyone who wants to move here to this area, but you need to realize that the school system can only grow so fast and the school system may not be run the way it was run where you moved from. Some people actually think the school system here works relatively well. WCPSS couldn't handle the growth. 

While the 54.2% graduation rate is an issue that should be addressed, it was just thrown in to stir the political pot.

Heh..

It's not at all clear that "Wake County was obviously able to build a great school system without all of the newcomers that are here now."  Perhaps what quality Wake has is BECAUSE of the newcomers.  Wake has the highest number of PhD's per capita -- do you think they were all born in North Carolina?  Don't you think that the high degree of education among parents has something to do with how well students perform?  If it weren't for all the newcomers, Raleigh would still be a sleepy southern town. 

but you need to realize that the school system can only grow so fast and the school system may not be run the way it was run where you moved from.

Perhaps, but that doesn't mean that newcomers shouldn't bring perspectives and ideas from other parts of the country.  If you didn't want newcomers changing stuff, maybe you shouldn't have invited them in.

I fully disagree that the ED graudation rate is just "stirring the pot."  Educating students is the core function of the school district.  Mentioning it is no more "Stirring the Pot" than the N&O's recent reporting on the SBI.

Heh.. Heh...

I never meant for my comments to be interpreted as not wanting new ideas being brought forward. New ideas can be incorporated without tearing apart an entire system.  The current situation is more like a hostile corporate takeover. 

And yes, education is the main business of the school board, but it doesn't look like they are focusing on that right now.

It didn't have to appear

It didn't have to appear like a 'hostile takeover' if previous boards and admin had wanted new ideas being brought forward.  For YEARS people have made rational, real, thoughtful suggestions and pointed out very real issues.  We were ignored by a school system and political leaders who insisted that we were wrong, racists, misguided or just didn't understand.   New ideas were not welcome.

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"While the 54.2% graduation rate is an issue that should be addressed, it was just thrown in to stir the political pot."

Should be addressed? Wow. The graduation rate of all children is of the utmost importance -- yet you throw it in as a side note and rant about growth. Do you really understand this is about education?

 

Fully agree ... opponents

Fully agree ... opponents used WCPSS poor handling of growth as a means to remove diversity which conservative oppose .....they juxtaposition "forced" and  "busing" to invoke 1960's White fear of that accompanied school integration and invoke racial division ...opponents waited to bring up the SAS math recommendation issue to right before the election which served their purpose to embarrass folks and undermine the system ... they have not worked for years for the improvement of minority and low income kids but only use those students plight as tools to embarrass and get political advantage .....  And the 54% is just a red herring ... notice that the majority have not promised to fix it ... they let folks like Woodstock bring it up, they may use it in talking point but they don't commit (through a policy statement) to fix it or step down ... they have plausible deniability (I never said that) ... just wait when there are high poverty school that are highly segregated by race and income, the majority will say 1) we never intended that to happen and 2) we never promised that we would actual fix those things .... so, until the majority says,  "measure me on 54% ... I am pointing it out, I am going to do something about it and you can fire me if I don't", I can not take them seriously.

nice try

'opponents waited to bring up the SAS math recommendation issue to right before the election which served their purpose to embarrass folks and undermine the system'

This report could have come out much earlier if Mr. Burns hadn't withheld it.

BTW - this issue still needs more light of day.  I can't believe there isn't more outcry over the process (via the Effectiveness Index) which resulted in a significantly lower percentage of minority children taking 8th grade algebra.  This isn't an election problem, this is a huge problem for Wake County's children!  And you make it out to be mere dirty laundry in an election.  Interesting.

Not "dirty laundry", just an

Not "dirty laundry", just an effective marketing tool trotted out right before the election and conveniently forgotten afterwards ... not a heart felt lifelong ambition is what I am saying .... so, Burns was able to keep a lid on the issue until it finally and randomly broke out days before the election ... amazing coincidence  ... ditto 54% digs. ... I think it is an important issue that was used for political gain .... interesting

You obviously aren't paying

You obviously aren't paying attention.  The SAS report hasn't been forgotten by those of us who worked for reform through the elections.  Randomly broke out?  Margiotta and Eleanor Goattee (I believe it was her) heard about the report and pressed for it's release.  It wasn't some elaborate plot to have it released days before the election.  You are truly blinded by political rhetoric and stereotypes.

Go back and look through all

Go back and look through all of the campaign materials and see how many times you find the term "forced busing."  You'll be looking long and hard to find more than a couple of references.

Personally, I started using the term "forced busing" after the election because I got sick to death of myopic people like you using terms like "anti-diversity," "warehousing the poor," "ideological agenda," "resegregationists," "segregationists," "racists," etc. because either they were lacking facts to support a logical argument, or because they had other agendas that had nothing to do with the education of children.

This post is more for others than you because you have shown yourself to be incapable of independent thought.

I think you are one of the

I think you are one of the few who uses "forced busing" ... I figured you were not from the South and did not understand the powerful emotional response those words have on Southerns who went through that .... so if you are not for promoting diversity, what would you like to be called? ... and if are not for helping to distributing poor kids and "unintentionally" end up concentrating them in a few neighborhood and schools what do you want to call that ... I am guessing since it is "unintentional", it is not warehousing even though you get to the same ends as if you had "intended" it to be that way which is convenient ....

"promoting diversity" as

"promoting diversity" as prescribed by previous BoE can be defined by the more "southern" term..."pig in a poke" as in beware of....

More southern elitism, do

More southern elitism, do you and Meeker play golf together?  You do not have to be from the south to understand.  All of us learned about the atrocities of racism, and about the civil rights movement.  What I am for is education, without muddling it up by trying to recreate a conflict which does not exist today.

All of us learned about the

All of us learned about the atrocities of racism, and about the civil rights movement. 

What you call "elitism", Southerns call history ....See you still do not get it .... the court ordered forced busing and school integration of the 1960's has nothing to do with the atrocities of the racism (e.g. Jim Crow) or civil rights (e.g. voting rights) which you seem to recite but not understand... it had to do with separate schools for separate races which the government said needed to end.... some blacks would argue that blacks had great separate neighborhood schools  which were an integral  and important part to the black community and integrating with white schools was the begriming of the end of a self sufficient, vibrant black community in many areas ... whether that is true, I do not know ... but I know it was traumatic time and carries a lot of baggage that you appear not to really understand or only know the time from books ...

Your own viewpoint does not define history

"What you call "elitism", Southerns call history"

Your own viewpoint does not define the history of the South.

I attended a school in Charlotte-Meck up through grade 3, when my family moved to Union County.  Unlike Charlotte-Meck, which was going through tremendous racial upheaval at that time, the Union County schools had been integrated for several years.  Attendance zones were determined strictly by geography in Union County, and black, white, and a few American Indian students sat side by side in the same classrooms.

Race was not as big an issue because the school system didn't make it an issue.  No students were told that they were being moved to another school because of their race; they were sent to their local schools regardless of race.  Similarly, before WCPSS started posting percentages of low income schools in 2000, most families in the county weren't aware if the school down the road from theirs had a few more or a few less low income kids than their own.  By defining 40% as a benchmark for a problem school and shuffling kids around to try to prevent that in a few chosen schools, WCPSS identified low income kids as a problem.

Life has changed a lot since the 1960's.  At the Charlotte-Meck school I attended, girls were not allowed to wear pants unless the temperature was below 10 degrees, when they could wear pants underneath a dress.  Restrictive covenants that could force homeowners to sell to people of only a certain race are long gone.  The plot of "Guess Who's Coming for Dinner," which seemed so controversial then, seems almost laughable today.  Kids live in neighborhoods with people of other races, play on sports teams with them, hang out with them.  There are sunshine laws and internet posting of data that would make it abundantly clear if there were inequal funding of schools.  Want to make the argument about the difference in PTA funding?  Then let's ban the PTA ---- or ask the Wake PTA Council to voluntarily come up with a funding formula asking schools to provide a percentage of their funds raised to a county-wide PTA fund that could be used to provide matching funds to the PTAs at schools that faced greater challenges in fundraising.  But, please, let's don't pretend that allowing kids to attend a local school will transport us back in time to an era where water fountains had signs saying "White" or "Colored" on them.

I attended a school in

I attended a school in Charlotte-Meck up through grade 3, when my family moved to Union County.  Unlike Charlotte-Meck, which was going through tremendous racial upheaval at that time, the Union County schools had been integrated for several years.  Attendance zones were determined strictly by geography in Union County, and black, white, and a few American Indian students sat side by side in the same classrooms.

 

Union county schools are >70% white today (county is >80%) and must have been >90% white when you attended so there could not have been too many blacks sitting by your side.  Were you part of the White Flight out of CM schools to Union Co.? If so you know the turmoil it caused.   For those that stayed like me, it was turmoil. As I pointed out before Apex HS where your kids go is like Union Co. and has few black to sit beside.   I am not saying you are a racist just pointing out your hometown, present home and school are not reflective of the racial % of the rest of the Wake and NC.  I saw this history on Union schools during the time you moved.

 

Sun Valley was founded in the early 1960s, prior to full racial integration of public schools in North Carolina. Integration had little effect at Sun Valley due to the predominant percentage of white students in this part of Union County. Integration of the schools in neighboring Mecklenburg County (the Charlotte-Mecklenburg School System) led to white flight to Union County schools, primarily Sun Valley and its feeder elementary schools (Indian Trail, Shiloh, and Wesley Chapel). 

One article I found which might explain why so few black moved from Charlotte to Union Co. like your family describes an active KKK during integration ...

 

In 1957 the Klan moved into Union County (N.C.). Their numbers steadily increased to the point wherein the local press reported 7500 at one rally. They became so brazen that mile-long motorcades started invading the Negro community. These hooded thugs fired pistols from car windows. On one occasion they caught a Negro woman on the street and tried to force her to dance for them at gun point. Drivers of cars tried to run Negroes down. Lawlessness was rampant. Instead of cowing, we organized an armed guard. On one occasion, we had to exchange gunfire with the Klan.  Each time the Klan came on a raid they were led by police cars. We appealed to the President of the United States to have the Justice Department investigate the police. We appealed to Governor Luther Hodges. All our appeals to constituted law were in vain.
 
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But, please, let's don't pretend that allowing kids to attend a local school will transport us back in time to an era where water fountains had signs saying "White" or "Colored" on them.
 
I don't .... people are much more sophisticated and subtle now .. using simple exclusion from math classes and limiting AP classes can accomplish the same result and people can say we never intended that to happen.

And the southern history you

And the southern history you speak of is just that history. The court ordered busing has since been struck down by the same court that ordered it. This is 2010 not 1960. 

Yes, some of us have gone

Yes, some of us have gone through the trauma of having separate communities and being force together and we have lived in peace since then and now a group who does not understand and was not present than and thinks is it elitism to remember the pain wants to recreate the separation schools though "unintentionally" this time .... so CC either uses "forced busing" because he is ignorant of Southern history or wants to invoke fear in whites for votes .... I am going with the hope he is ignorant ...

being force together LOL,

being force together

LOL, sounds like you have issues to get over.  I've lived all over the country, including the south.  You are stuck in a time warp.  I can only hope that future generations do not inherit your predjudice.

Curious ... have you or your

Curious ... have you or your children ever attended a school with more than 40% black, 30% black, 20% black like here in Wake?   Or is all your "experience" from books read in >90% white schools?  Funny how mentioning the turmoil families went through 30 years ago is dismissed while the recent turmoil experience by families due to frequent reassignments is considered legitimate.  I can only hope that future generation don't inherit your ignorance of the past and end up repeating it.

Swing and a miss, 40 years

Swing and a miss, 40 years ago I lived in the south and was bused.  True ignorance is knowing how unproductive busing is, but still supporting it because it "feels good."
 

Of course, I will need to

Of course, I will need to take you word for it ...given that every child was bussed except those that walked.  You missed the part of the question asking about how integrated your schools were ... 30% black? or where you in all white schools?

Let's do the time warp again

well, on 2nd thought, nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

gouging out my eyes

gouging out my eyes now!!!!!!!!!!!

really? WCPSS couldn't handle the growth.

Wake leaders balked at early fast-growth

alert

 

http://www.iopl.org/documents/022606-newsobserver.com-wakeleadersbalkedatearlyfast-growthalert2.pdf 

YES!

With the 1999 bond failure, they couldn't handle the growth.  That failure lead to MYR.

People don't like to see their taxes raised.  Most people in Wake County don't have kids in the school system.  The school board needs to keep that in mind when they are designing their new plan.  Where's the budget?  Who is going to pay for this plan?

So what will your excuse be

when the 2011-12 bond fails?

Bond failure led to MYR, what bulldung that is.

One of the frequently asked

One of the frequently asked questions is how much more money will it cost to operate the 22 schools that will be converted to a year-round calendar.

School administrators put a number out there today as part of a $29.4 million requested increase in funding from county commissioners. The additional funding for converted schools represents $3.3 million of that amount. Here’s the breakdown of the conversion costs:

* Local literacy months —$113,987
* Media specialist months — $6,918
* In-school suspension teacher months of employment — $4,125
* Social work months —$19,166
* Psychologist months — $21,547
* Counselor months — $43,471
* Salary differential for year-round school positions (principal, assistant principal, lead school secretary and NC WISE data manager)— $206,719
* Assistant principal months — $136,488
* Utility budget increases — $536,376
* Maintenance dollars to maintain year-round conversion square feet — $317,853
* Custodial dollars to include housekeeping of year-round conversion square footage — $39,732
* Intersession teachers and teacher assistants — $1,798,360
* Substitutes for 12-month staff for planning days — $53,609

This comes on top of the $2.9 million in capital costs the school board agreed to fund last month out of its reserve funds. 

Nice rant. but... did you

Nice rant. but... did you really read the article? You are all bent out of shape about 1 line in the article ("there’s a “native” North Carolina name for ya") when the bulk of the article is about the problems that Wake County's school board is having and relating it to the potential problems New Hanover County schools may have as they are going through a similar process of changing their assignment policy (albeit on a much smaller scale).    Everything that is going on here (the protests, lawsuits, possible loss of accreditation, etc) are lessons they want to learn so they can prevent the same thing happening here.  Sure she put one little quip about Margiotta's name but reality it was only to point out that these school board members are relatively new to the area and not doing things they way they have been done in the south.  There really is more to this editorial than someones name.

Hey Joe, Who do you think

Hey Joe,

Who do you think the real racist is here?  The guy who call a bunch of white people booing a black guy a bunch of animals or the guy you ASSumed he was referring to a bunch of black people?

OK, you've established that

OK, you've established that it wasn't a racist comment.  I never thought it was.

Now that we've established that, can you admit that a reasonable person could see it as a comment that shows how Margiotta really thinks of those who disagree with him?  Because that is the problem I have with the comment.

I didn't like the way he let Randall turn and speak to the crowd instead of addressing the board, either.  He sat there while Randall gave a lecture and a campaign speech all rolled into one, and then when people expressed disagreement he called them animals.

Eh...

It does indicate that at the time he made the comment, he didn't have the greatest respect for those he was describing. No big surprise there.

However, that choice of words seems pretty descriptive of behavior, not of individuals.  You call somebody an "animal" because of how they act -- like the drunken slob who intentionally threw up on a child at a Phillies baseball game or thugs beating up a grandmother.  It's a word that expresses being out of control and that seems to apply fairly well to how those people were acting at the time.  Based on what I've seen of the comment period, they were already pretty livid when they went in there and lost control. 

There are other choice words that you use when you want to insult them generally -- moron, idiot, pinhead, dope, nimrod, empty-headed, etc.... 

I think it shows he doesn't

I think it shows he doesn't appreciate when people lose civility and act like, well act like animals released from their cages. It was a comment had nothing to do with whether the hecklers agreed with Margiotta or not.

It most certainly

It most certainly does. 

Did Margiotta say "Thank you, Mr. Randall" when Randall's time expired? No.  He let him keep talking. 

The speakers are supposed to address the board.  Mr. Randall did not.  I'm not so sure it's OK to expect no reaction from the crowd when you're addressing the crowd during your talk.  Margiotta should have stopped him and asked him to address the board and not the crowd. 

If the crowd's behavior justifies Margiotta's comment, then Randall's behavior justifies the crowd's reaction.

Personally, I would expect more from the chairman of the BoE and a candidate for political office than I would most of the other people who were in the room.

I agree, speakers should

I agree, speakers should address the board, not the crowd.  I note that at the July 20th goat rodeo there was a young lady who did the same thing (she was arrested later).  And, in fairness, many speakers opposing the board majority have consistently been allowed to run over their two minutes.  Had she not been shrieking hysterically, I'm not sure how long they would have let Diana Bader go on the last time she spoke.

The rules are:  Two minutes to speak, do not address individual board members, and everyone else shut up.  The rules should be enforced.

Dan you may want to re watch

Dan you may want to re watch the clip, Mr Randall is facing the board, he is not speaking and Mr. Margiotta says "thank you Mr. Randall" Mr. Randall nods and walks away then Mr. Margiotta says "here come the animals out of their cages" Mr. Randall had stopped speaking because of the rudeness of the crowd.

Mr. Randall

Mr. Randall stopped speaking because his time was up.

Mr. Randall

I was at that school board meeting and the booing did not start until Mr. Randell's time was up and Mr. Chair did not ask him to stop.

When you are speaking a red light comes on and a buzzer sounds when your time is up. Normally Mr. Chair starts to gavel a speaker as soon as the buzzer sounds. If you look at the video you can see Mr. Randall glancing down, the red light is flashing and the buzzer is sounding, just as the booing starts. So, the booing was more directed at Mr. Chair for letting him have extra time.

Also, the 1st booing of the night was Dallas Woodhouse very loudly booing Mr. Sutton before the public comment time. The folks booing Mr. Chair is faint on the video but Mr. Woodhuse is clear. You can see Mr. Sutton look at the audience after the 3 very clear boos. Mr. Chair made no comments about Mr. Woodhuses's behavior as he was the 1st animal out of his cage.

Fine...

So, Randall, Margiotta and Woodhouse were all wrong.  Doesn't excuse the other people acting inappropriately.

Can we all agree that NOBODY

Can we all agree that NOBODY should be booing, cheering, hissing or otherwise making noise unless it is their turn at the podium?

Please tell me the

Please tell me the difference between my referring to that idiot as "guido" and his referring to black people as "animals"?

As Loriac mentioned,

As Loriac mentioned, Margiotta was referring to an almost all white crowd who was booing a black spekaer.

Regardless, keep the do two wrongs make a right statement in mind. Just because someone says something inapproriate doesn't mean you should do the same thing. I'm not going to go in and start deleting comments but it's really not appropriate to use words that are clearly racial or ethnic slurs.

Mr. Hui, you were at the

Mr. Hui, you were at the reporters table and many of the cameras obscurred your view.  I was down front and although the room was filled with both white and black people, the people who were booing and heckling the black speaker (Mr. Bill Randall) were 3 or 4 miffed PTA moms (white) who heckled him---most have them have been speaking repeatedly at subsequent meetings.  Your comment seemed to indicate that there was an "all white" crowd, which as I pointed out there were many blacks in attendance as well; and that ALL the whites were booing Mr. Randall, when really it was just 3-5 moms behaving poorly.  There were many NAACP folks in attendance (black and white) and some of them addressed the board during public comment.  Perhaps we can just define the crowd as concerned citizens/parents, some modeling far better behavior than others.

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"...when really it was just 3-5 moms behaving poorly."

I bet many on this blog could name them. Same ones, same behavior.

 

First, he was referring to

First, he was referring to the people being disruptive while the black man was trying to speak. I believe the disruptive people were mostly white (if that makes a difference).

Second, it's unfortunate the comment was picked up by the mike. It wasn't intended for the general audience, and those in attendance didn't hear it. Not a nice comment, but this is different than publishing a comment in a blog post.

loriac, Will you

loriac,

Will you please stop with all the facts?  It's just not nice to make Joe look so ignorant, biased and uninformed.  We try to respect all comments here, no matter how moronic they may be.

Split personality?

Split personality?

This response is regarding the question regarding why Joe Tarheel posts twice. As you notice I am technologically impaired. (Can't get my responses in the right place).

What a disservice to readers

Hui, can't you be more original than to just be a pass it along mouthpiece for others who have contemptable behavior toward the WCPSS board?  Indeed, now you're quoting someone who has no dog in this hunt?

 

You've stooped to a new low, just regurgitating what others have to say that's negative is beneath even you, or is it?

Keung has always been fair

Keung has always been fair and reports on both sides of the discussion.

Cash has been writing about education in Wake and other places for a long time, and while I don't agree with him, I do want to read what he has to say.

Edit: Whoops, I guess it wasn't Cash Michaels, I thought he was with the Wilmington Journal.

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