Here's the post for you guys to comment on the 106 people who've signed up to speak at today's Wake County school board meeting.
The questions is how long school boar chairman Ron Margiotta will allow comment to go before cutting it off. Based on the turnout, Margiotta said he's reducing the speaking time from three minutes a person to two minutes a speaker.
But even at just two minutes a speaker, we're looking at three hours and 42 minutes of comments.
As a sign of how large the crowd is, people are standing in the hallway because the board room is full. For the first time in recent memory, Raleigh police officers and Wake County sheriff's deputies are providing security at the meeting.
UPDATE
Update at 7 p.m. Afer 54 speakers, publlc comment has been stopped by Margiotta with 47 left to go.
The school board has just come back from a 10-minute recess after Curtis Gatewood, 2nd vice president of the state NAACP, refused to stop speaking.
It was a heated exchange by Gatewood, who accused the school board members of being racists during his public comments.
“If you expect to go to hell, don’t take our childen with you," Gatewood said.
Margiotta gavelled him out of order saying he was offended, leading to another shot by Gatewood.
“If you’re a white racist, you should be offended.” Gatwood said, drawing cheers.
When time ran out, Margiotta told him to stop speaking. But Gatewood refused, saying he had been interrupted.
Poilce approached him with Margiotta calling a recess. The Rev. William Barber, state NAACP president, interceded for Gatewood, saying Margiotta hadn't interrupted anyone else.
After the recess, Margiotta gave him 30 more seconds. On Gatewood's way out, he was cheered by the crowd.



Comments
Woodhouse as bad as anyone
Wed, 03/03/2010 - 12:09 — changewcpss1I know this is really immature, but can I just say that it is soooo ironic that Dallas Woodhouse makes fun of Rev. Barber when he is well on his way to looking like him?
Gatewood and Barber and
Wed, 03/03/2010 - 00:27 — changewcpssGatewood and Barber and their traveling circus of attention mongers need to go. They made fools of themselves today as usual. They give a bad name to those who honestly want to help F&R children.
Did anyone else get a snazzy red sticker? A true collectors item after the monumental and positive decisions made today.
Rearranging Deck Chairs on The Titanic
Tue, 03/02/2010 - 23:42 — RandyRockettKnightdale High School is a multi-million dollar facility. It's the largest high school in North Carolina under one single roof. Many say its a modern marvel. It's a stand alone creation that past generations never knew. A recent walk through revealed signs of a school with many more years than its actual age. Graffiti in bathrooms, signs of vandalized walls, and hundreds of styrofoam lunch trays left behind on cafeteria tables by students for others to clean-up. Where's the out-cry?
Being just four or five years old, KHS continues its dismal decline with EoC "test scores" under the current swag of principal Carla Jernigan. KHS currently has the bottommost test scores for Wake County. Where's the out-cry?
The majority of the school population are minority students. Often the local Knightdalians send their high schoolers to Broughton, Enloe, Millbrook, Heritage and a few private Christian schools because they are not currently allowing their kids to go to "Fightdale" or "Frightdale". Where's the out-cry?
The talented teachers at Knightdale High School are dedicated, devoted, and distended. Many staffers will openly tell you of the climate and culture that lends itself only to the " inmates-running-the-asylum" syndrome. There were easily 200 kids roaming the halls (10% of the total population I believe) while the fourth block classes moved on. Basically socializing was what I saw. I counted a group of seven in a stairwell who were just hanging out (skipping class) and had their caps turned sideways with the stickers still on the flattened bill, pants stylishly worn below their butts, the obligatory ipod ear buds in their ears, while texting on their cell phones. I saw one teacher close her classroom door to the hallway interruptions because of the constant drone of conversations (with a few brave enough to lean in and call out to friends). Where's the out-cry?
The real story lies in the trenches. At this point they are only rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic! Where's the out-cry?
Who are you?
Wed, 03/03/2010 - 10:01 — KnightdaleParentWhy do you keep posting this drivel in every blog and what support do you have for these statements. When were you in the school and why would the staff openly talk to you.
I resent that you are trying to pull down a school by posting comments like the above repeatedly without supporting any of the assertions.
Maybe instead of posting these comments, you should become part of the Knightdale 100 that is trying to improve the school.
see for yourself
Thu, 03/18/2010 - 12:02 — veranita1979Knightdale Parent,
When were you last in the school? The support for randyrockett's assertions is visible to anyone with eyes.
I resent that you assume someone is trying to "pull down a school" by posting the truth. Perhaps the Knightdale 100 could truly improve the school by having first-hand knowledge.
Not quite
Tue, 03/02/2010 - 23:29 — louiselee44Margiotta gavelled him out of order saying he was offended, leading to another shot by Gatewood.
Actually, Ron said, "Please - let's be a little more respectful."
good catch on the
Tue, 03/02/2010 - 23:47 — jenmangood catch on the clarification. This reminds me of a CEM I attended where a speaker told Chuck D that he didn't care about students and their families. He got angry and interrupted, saying that he did care and it wasn't right for them to say that. Even though I have serious doubts about how much he cares about the hardships that he put people through, I thought he had every right to stop this person from making personal attacks like that.
That guy was absolutely out of line and nobody has the right to speak to the BOE, the county commissioners, the city coucil or the mayor that way. I don't care how much you disagree with them, that sort of speech is not necessary.
Agree with you.
Wed, 03/03/2010 - 10:31 — shank56That guy was absolutely out of line and nobody has the right to speak to the BOE, the county commissioners, the city coucil or the mayor that way. I don't care how much you disagree with them, that sort of speech is not necessary.
So what do you think of the Chair of the Wake COunty Board of Ed referring to citizens as:
Here come the animals out of the cages.
????
I didn't hear the comment
Wed, 03/03/2010 - 15:27 — jenmanI didn't hear the comment and I haven't seen the video yet. Its obviously not a good thing.
Those who were there to
Wed, 03/03/2010 - 11:39 — g88ky07bash and burn everything the board does are the "citizens" you refer to. I think Ron was very polite myself.
Margiotta displayed
Wed, 03/03/2010 - 11:47 — woodstockMargiotta displayed remarkable self control in dealing with Curtis Gatewood.
I agree ... many in the
Wed, 03/03/2010 - 13:01 — user12345I agree ... many in the audience were rude but I do not think excusing his comments by pointing to someone else is appropriate...I just wanted to know if his distain for the citizens though coming when he was frustrated was appropriate and maybe do his words reflect his real feelings coming out. While Ron is polite and tolerates people, I do not think he much likes the democratic process and public input. I think he knows the way he wants to go and really is not interested in input or comment.
I like Ron, but after
Wed, 03/03/2010 - 15:02 — shank56I like Ron, but after watching some of the tape/feed from yesterday, I have serious questions also. Watch the first part of the COW meeting.
Hill gets under his skin. Hill wants the answers to a few questions, and Ron wants Hill's questions in writing so he can respond privately. It appears Ron does not want the full BOE to dialogue on camera at these COW meetings.
WRAL has done a great service by streaming these meetings and saving them for review.
agreed
Wed, 03/03/2010 - 12:36 — shank56agreed
Hmmm
Wed, 03/03/2010 - 09:42 — choice4allanyone else would have been escorted out the door and not allowed to return. I remember a mom at the Leesville CEM meeting who went over her 3 minutes. She was escorted OUT the door and not allowed to return for the rest of the meeting. That was just for going over. That man was OUT OF LINE!!! Can someone tell me why he was out of order and 2 officers did nothing but stand at the podium with him until the Rev Barber could make it down the aisle to do his grandstanding? Both of them should have been thrown out for their pathetic , organized,display. And ALL of this was allowed to happen on school property.
"Can someone tell me why he
Wed, 03/03/2010 - 10:29 — shank56"Can someone tell me why he was out of order and 2 officers did nothing but stand at the podium with him "
The officers had been by the arms as if they were going to take him out, and Ron said, "No,No. Then he called a recess- at which point the cameras cut off. (probably what Ron wanted anyway.)
Did not see that
Wed, 03/03/2010 - 10:32 — choice4allif thats the case then Ron has more class than Patti Head and Rosa Gill. They threw a Mom out for just going over the time. Kudos to Ron.
a good decision
Wed, 03/03/2010 - 12:23 — louiselee44To call for a recess was the best thing Ron could have done. Can you imagine the headlines if he had had that guy handcuffed? From what I witnessed, Ron exhibited a lot of self control by remaining calm himself.
From a safety standpoint I
Wed, 03/03/2010 - 15:41 — DrActualFactualFrom a safety standpoint I respectfully disagree. The room was filled with people standing on the sides and down the aisle into the hallway on both sides. The policeman had guns (not sure about the security guard) but had this man been unbalanced (random stranger speaking) struggled, obtained the weapon and used it--well, I just think they should have escorted him out (not arrested) but not just stand there at the podium holding him. IMO he should not be allowed to speak again at WCPSS as he may be a risk to the public at large.
I see your point...
Wed, 03/03/2010 - 16:19 — louiselee44I see your point...
agreed
Wed, 03/03/2010 - 00:04 — louiselee44Thanks - sorry it got too late for you to speak!
I was going to speak about
Wed, 03/03/2010 - 00:09 — jenmanI was going to speak about why they should approve the resolution so I decided to leave since they had already voted on it. I've got inlaws in town so I needed to get back home anyway. I'll write it in a LTE and I'll be there to speak at the next meeting.
Your poiint was wonderful and I was actually going to reference you when I spoke. Its time for people to stop slinging personal insults and offer solutions.
Tonight's public comment
Tue, 03/02/2010 - 22:55 — woodstockTonight's public comment period was very revealing. It left me wondering how the black community must be reacting to the beating they received by the opposition that included social engineering activists, affluent parents, and even Rev. Barber, Marvin Pitman, and the hate-spewing Mr. Gatewood. Why do the status quo supporters lack so much confidence in the wherewithal of the black community to support schools and work in the best interest of their children? It is truly appalling to me that these people feel compelled to belittle low income and minority parents and assume they are incapable of supporting the schools in the communities in which they live and ensuring their children succeed academically. Where does this lack of confidence come from? I honestly do not understand why are they permitted to spew their insulting rhetoric unabated?
I thank God we have rational school board members (Margiotta, Tedesco, Prickett, Goldman and Malone) that can see through the sterotypical characterizations of minority and low-income parents offered by the status quo supporters and remain true to their commitment to public serivce and the educational interests of Wake County's students, parents and taxpayers.
Heres why
Wed, 03/03/2010 - 10:29 — choice4all" It left me wondering how the black community must be reacting to the beating they received by the opposition that included social engineering activists, affluent parents,"
1. They were all magnet people.
2. They were all clueless as to what the real issue is. Most of them there were never at a board meeting before and were jumping on board the "Its all about the color of their skin" train.
Ah, but there is a diversity
Tue, 03/02/2010 - 23:47 — sstarksAh, but there is a diversity industry out there that has to be fed and that only happens when you have dependent groups that are not succeeding in school. One of the stalwarts of that industry is right up the road in Chapel Hill at the Center for Civil Rights. Gary Orfield, from UCLA, is an industry leader, and in Charlotte the UNC sociology department regularly cranks out papers purporting to show that minorities cannot learn unless they are in a diverse classroom. And of course we let's not forget about the NAACP. These folks can't afford to let parents become responsible for their children's education. They and their hangers on would all be out of jobs (or at least out of grant money).
You hit the nail on the
Tue, 03/02/2010 - 22:59 — aquaman4life68You hit the nail on the head...people KNOW this, but so afraid to speak it and say it!!
They are saying that low income will not learn and succeed. And, they haven't even with current system, since the responsibility has been taken away from them NOthing but a blame game.
And now the lawyers can become richer
Tue, 03/02/2010 - 20:40 — ncellagatorAnd our per student funding to go more than $100 as projected in the budget presented today. Very sad for the children. And that is all children in Wake County.
Many of those speaking out against
Tue, 03/02/2010 - 20:08 — milly75Many of those speaking out against community based schools are those living inside the beltline and the "rich" neighborhoods of Raleigh and are under the misguided belief that their property values will plummet if this motion passes.
WRONG!!
Tue, 03/02/2010 - 20:29 — duvalPlease stop the conjectures. This blog is suppose to be about finding common ground and making good policy for all studnets in Wake county.
Parents and members of Wake county are coming before the BOE because they care about not only their children but for all of the children in our society.\
Stop making it an us against them fight!!! We are all in this together!!
More Raleigh haterd. It is
Tue, 03/02/2010 - 20:14 — WhalerCaneMore Raleigh haterd.
It is delusional to think that communties trapped in high poverty zones will not see immediate loss in property values.
Ironically, it has been Wake Counties efforts to maintaine ecomonically balanced schools that has allowed what was traditionally economcially depressed areas of Apex and Holly Springs to thrive?
Do you also concede that
Wed, 03/03/2010 - 17:20 — jenmanDo you also concede that WCPSS's efforts have also allowed certain areas of Raleigh thrive and certain areas to go down?
which areas have
Wed, 03/03/2010 - 18:17 — carson79which areas have "thrived"? which have "gone down"? do you mean Wake county instead of raleigh?
and I'm not sure what you mean by "allowed" - I would ask do you imply causation or lack of interference when you use this word?
OMG
Wed, 03/03/2010 - 23:19 — SDR256OMG, Jenman, what did you ever do to this babe in a former life? She is like dedicated to being your personal troll. If it weren't so annoying it would be amusing.
thanks for the shout out, I
Thu, 03/04/2010 - 08:41 — carson79thanks for the shout out, I guess I should be offended at "babe" but I am younger than you so we'll go with it :)
I wish someone would answer that question though really - if she is going to argue that the policy has let some areas thrive and made others go down, I think we can admit that this is true of any policy!! So once that is out there, we can be honest about the potential effects and stop speaking in fairy tale language (on both sides)..
You have absolutely NO
Tue, 03/02/2010 - 20:09 — Dove314You have absolutely NO information to back up that statement. NONE! Stop lying.
I am NOT lying
Tue, 03/02/2010 - 20:42 — milly75I am NOT lying - a very close friend lives in the "inner beltline" and a group of them have organized and met with NAACP members for their support!
Perhaps
Tue, 03/02/2010 - 20:45 — duvalBut of all the speakers I have seen they are from far and wide throughout our county. Get a grip and get off line until you have something of value to say to this community that is struggling with the realities of a society that needs to address real issues!!
Many of the speakers at
Tue, 03/02/2010 - 23:05 — jenmanMany of the speakers at these meetings are magnet parents and they rely on the current diversity policy for their magnet programs.
I wondered if some of the
Tue, 03/02/2010 - 23:13 — red_balloonI wondered if some of the speakers were protecting their magnet winnings and/ or property values. Not knowing their motivations made it difficult to lend credence to their arguments.
Shove your pity party Ms. Goldman
Tue, 03/02/2010 - 20:04 — Dove314Ms Goldman should get over her pity party and stop chastising the community for disagreeing with her. What a load of self-serving stupidity.
If she values diversity,
Tue, 03/02/2010 - 20:08 — allkidsfirstIf she values diversity, where is that in her zone plan? There is program equity, and feeder patterns. Where is the requirement that zones be economically balanced in ANY way?!?!?!? It has everything else BUT. Without it, it can only be summarized as "separate but equal."
I think most people value
Thu, 03/04/2010 - 09:56 — woodstockI think most people value diversity. That is real diversity such as diversity of ideas/thought/opinion, culture, ethnicity, talents, choice, etc. Unfortunately the WCPSS view of diversity is limited to fraudulent F&R numbers that are structly limited to family income.
Values
Wed, 03/03/2010 - 01:08 — SDR256She may value many things but not feel that they necessarily belong in a school assignment plan. Religion, fire codes, various charities or civic efforts. All might be of value, but not belong in a school assignment plan.
why?
Tue, 03/02/2010 - 20:14 — loriacThey stated no discrimination against anyone based on economic status. The proposal also states that zones will have equal funding. Why do zones need to be economically balanced?
Tedesco has said repeatedly
Wed, 03/03/2010 - 08:44 — danofncTedesco has said repeatedly that the high poverty schools that will be created will have extra resources to help those kids succeed.
If the zones get equal funding, but all zones don't have a high poverty school, what happens?
Does the high poverty school take funding away from other schools in its zone? Is there a special fund specifically for high poverty schools that will not be affected by the zone funding?
When a new school is built, will the zone boundaries change, or will that school only affect kids within a certain zone?
And if you live on the line
Wed, 03/03/2010 - 08:54 — user12345And if you live on the line of a zone, as some will, can you go to the closest school in the next zone or will you be bussed to the other side of the zone?
Details, details
Wed, 03/03/2010 - 08:47 — shank56I'll worry about that tomorrow..
Because wealthy
Tue, 03/02/2010 - 20:43 — allkidsfirstBecause wealthy neighborhoods have wealthy PTAs who can support more programming. Because poor schools have a lack of social capital where students are introduced to middle class social norms and culture. Because when you're trying to just keep a roof over your head and food on the table, you don't have time to volunteer, no matter HOW close your school is! Poor Zones with "equal" funding are "separate but equal."
Why not at least accept Dr. Mclaurin's amendment clarifying that Magnet schools will reduce the number of low wealth schools? Why? To create extremely high poverty "separate but equal" schools.
I think wealthy PTAs are
Wed, 03/03/2010 - 00:21 — DrActualFactualI think wealthy PTAs are mostly urban legend. Lacy has the private foundation and Davis Drive does well, probably Wakefield Plantation area and perhaps another ITB magnet school like Broughton but for the most part I would guess other PTAs aren't very successful. I recall our ES having a computer fundraiser and only getting somewhere from $3,000 to $6,000 (don't recall exactly). To think that your child will be subsidized by wealthy PTAs is unlikely, even moreso now that the economy has soured and people have lost jobs.
Good points in this thread
Wed, 03/03/2010 - 15:52 — festusIn chronically underfunded public school systems, local PTAs and local fundraising substantially exacerbate the gaps between wealthy neighborhood schools and poor neighborhood schools. The best example may be California. In the town of Palo Alto, one of the nation's richest communities, there are very great differences between neighborhood elementary schools. California underfunds its public schools but as jenman pointed out, neighborhood groups can create foundations, PTAs can raise money. Private fundraising brings in millions of dollars to the wealthy neighborhood schools, making them quite good, while other neighborhood schools are much worse than typical WCPSS schools. The gap between the poor neighborhood schools and rich neighborhood schools is extraordinary.