It looks like school board member Ron Margiotta was not happy about President Obama's speech to the students today.
ABC 11 is reporting that Margiotta tried to get his colleagues to vote today on whether they supported showing Obama's speech in the classroom. While conservatives have called today's natonwide speech a political attempt to indoctrinate children, Obama's supporters point out that Presidents Reagan and Bush also spoke directly to students.
Wake left it up to individual principals whether to air the speech to students. Parents were allowed to opt out and have their children perform an "appropriate alternative educational activity."
UPDATE
Click here for today's article by Lynn Bonner and Thomas Goldsmith about how Triangle schools handled the speech.

Comments
We have a 30% dropout rate
Thu, 09/10/2009 - 23:02 — WhalerCaneWe have a 30% dropout rate in this state. The President's message is exactly what students should hear. Margiotta and Fetzer should be ashamed for inflaming this tin foil hat stuff. Conservativism in the south was founded on nobility and civility. These comments were neither.
Agree that the overall message of responsibility
Thu, 09/10/2009 - 23:45 — TrailerParkGirlwas good and important for students to hear.
IMO much of the brew ha ha could have been avoided by releasing the speech with the announcement and better vetting of the supplemental education materials before hand so that the part that even Arne Duncan said wasn't worded the best wasn't in the original version.
It seems it was a combination of fear of the unknown in this raw nerve political climate right now and the President focus versus student focus of some of the original material. Take those two things away and this would have been less of a deal. I think actually people were calling their representatives and schools with concerns on the issue last week.
Curious - did you think the Dems should have been ashamed when they made a big deal out of Bush speaking to students?
Personally, I think both sides of the aisle could use more nobility, civility, honor, decency and ethics (can we get some more ethics in NC politics please) for starters, but then some consultant, strategist and talk show types would probably have to get different jobs because there would be less to consult, strategize and talk about.
Gebhardt was an ass when he
Thu, 09/10/2009 - 23:52 — WhalerCaneGebhardt was an ass when he made issue of H.W.'s speech.
Lesson plans had one question that taken out of context by those with a malevolent purpose could do so. I expect that from the deluded, not grown ups. Same on those grown ups who fanned this irrationality.
Get a life!
Thu, 09/10/2009 - 00:12 — momof2goodboysAnyone who can honestly say that there was anything wrong with President Obama's speech yesterday has got a warped mind! I am actually more of a conservative, but I have got sense enough and a mind of my own to see that he only is trying to help the youth of today. They are our future. That has been an important point to him, and so what if some of our kids hear it at home. Some- many- don't. What harm is it to hear it from our President too? Most people do, and should, respect him, even if they don't agree with everything he does. He's human.
What students said: Peaks,
Wed, 09/09/2009 - 12:48 — CaryiteWhat students said:
Peaks, whose father died when he was 8 and who has spent time in foster care, related to a story Obama told about a student from Chicago who bounced from foster home to foster home but is on track to go to college.
"I'm going to try to do better on my work, and I know now I didn't take my education real seriously," Peaks said after Obama's pep talk. The speech "was just a motivation for me to stay in school."
Southern High School sophomore Danisha Barber said Obama's message was little different from what teachers and administrators told students every day. But it sounded urgent coming from the guidance counselor-in-chief.
"I guess by it coming from the president that it kind of means something more," she said.
one student who's school didn't watch:
"I would have gotten enlightenment to help me strive for excellence for these last two years," said Quanshaun Morgan, a junior at the Cameron-Village-area school, where Obama spoke in person about health care in July. Hearing Obama would have helped keep him on the "straight streets," Morgan said
Hope Margiotta is proud of getting his knickers in a knot about this completely appropriate speech. Made himself look the fool. Is he running for reelection in two years?
That's wonderful. It's nice
Wed, 09/09/2009 - 13:33 — rr77rr99That's wonderful. It's nice that the President can stand in and parent those that have lousy parents.
Now, if Obama could just make college FREE to all who actually do graduate and achieve ... that would be swell. Oh, and throw in a hybrid car to get around campus... cool!
Yeah, this is all fine and
Wed, 09/09/2009 - 19:01 — dryeraseuserYeah, this is all fine and wonderful yesterday....but what are they doing today???
Justify it anyway ya'll want
Wed, 09/09/2009 - 12:21 — choice4allWhat I fail to see anyone discuss is the swift grab of power that the Obama Administration, whether you like him or not, imposed on all the schools without the oversight of our local BOE's. Sort of like being unsure of a questionable neighbor. Does that mean you will let your child sit alone in a room with said questionable neighboor without knowing what he/she will say? I back what Ron said and if you listen to the interview you will hear him say the speech was great but their was no clarity on the discussion that would follow. I saw this speech as a pure powergrab. Then again this current board is familiar with that!
In 1991, then-president Bush
Wed, 09/09/2009 - 09:10 — jenmanIn 1991, then-president Bush gave a similar speech, and the Democrats in Congress investigated it for months afterwards.
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Weren't the Dems in an uproar about the speech because they said it was a waste of taxpayer money? Not that I agree with the Dems back then for making a ruckus, but disagreeing because of money is a lot different than people saying they didn't want their kids to hear the president, period.
I'm with Apexter on this one--Ron got it wrong this time and I agree that WCPSS wimped out by making school principals/teachers the bad guys. I'm still amazed that people would object to their kids hearing the president speak or that they were suspicious of the content.
Our elem school is only showing it to 4th & 5th graders because it fits in with the curriculum and a permission slip came home for it. Haven't heard anything from the middle school.
As to the teaching time argument, I can see where people are coming from but at least it was an educational experience. What about all the Yo-Yo selling assemblies or EOG pep rallies? Those take away from teaching time too and I don't hear a big uproar about those.
As for wasted time..
Wed, 09/09/2009 - 10:06 — gunfam...what about those trackout days (in YR) when kids are cleaning and moving things in and out of classrooms. Or those last 2 weeks of school, when EOGs are over and they end up watching movies. I have much more issue with that then 30 mins to watch the president.
Maybe they should save the
Wed, 09/09/2009 - 13:36 — rr77rr99Maybe they should save the speech and put it on when the kids are doing track out moves, packing up stuff for their teachers and cleaning the classrooms, and yeah, instead of EOG movies, they can loop the speech over and over and over again. Make those kids stay "motivated" even when they are doing the "grunt" work for their teachers and "occupying their time" after the EOG's are over...cause we all know... it's only about the EOG's.. it's only about the test.
Well...
Wed, 09/09/2009 - 09:48 — Bob_SconceTHe waste of taxpayer money was about $26,000. The idea that Democrats in 1991 were concerned about that much money is preposterous -- they were just playing politics.
Having read what the speech was about, I wouldn't have had any objections to allowing my kids to hear him. But, it's controversial, and so it makes sense to at least ask parental permission. Lots of people distrust Obama.
As to your last point, I have complained about what you call "yo-yo selling assemblies," as have a lot of other parents. Last year, our PTA switched to doing a "no-fuss" fundraiser and avoided the high-priced wrapping paper, the assemblies that go with it, and the crushed expectations of 6-year-olds who suddenly realize that there's no way they're going to sell enough popcorn to win a Wii.
Hip Hip Hooray
Wed, 09/09/2009 - 09:18 — supportwcpssInteresting how we have some topics that opposite agree on. There is hope. I couldn't have said it better Jen.
It's amazing how much time is wasted on fru-fru PTA events. Indepedent of parties the President was speaking to kids in our country. I think this becomes a wonderful experience for the kids.
Actually, I think that we
Wed, 09/09/2009 - 09:21 — jenmanActually, I think that we agree on a lot. Perhaps we just disagree on how to go about making things better. :-)
OH wait..make NO mistake.
Wed, 09/09/2009 - 09:19 — rr77rr99OH wait..make NO mistake. Been VERY vocal about the idiotic assemblies to promote selling crap and "winning" crap for the more crap you sell for the school. My middle schooler THANK GOD didn't fall for the brain washing and threw away the materials before even coming home. My elementary kids are still crying they want to to sell the crap so they can win the many CRAP prizes that are on the nice slick glossy flier they brought home!
Oh, no, make no mistake... those fundraiser assemblilies are ludicrous! People want to talk about BRAINWASHING kids.. that's it! Making them believe they will win an awesome prize .... that I can go buy at the dollar tree!
I just don't think forcing k through 3 kids to watch the president tell them they shouldn't do drugs, or will cure AIDS (hey, teacher, what's AIDS?) is really age appropriate.
I also don't think "fitting" in a lesson around the speech is appropriate. Esp for the kids that have been in school throughout the last several months anyway.
And, yes, I believe this pres is a little full of himself. A lot full of himself. Enough already. When does he have time to actually be "President" and not "Oprah."?
The only concern I had was
Wed, 09/09/2009 - 07:19 — rr77rr99The only concern I had was that this was going to interfere with teaching time on lesson plans that have already been established. My chidlren, due to their MYR status, have been in school since July! They have work to get done and LOTS OF IT before the next track out. I didn't appreciate that the world had to stop and listen to yet another speech ... the guy is on tv every freakin' day for goodness sakes! My kids can watch all the reruns when they get home. They can watch him on YOUTUBE all day long.
The teachers, admin, and schools are constantly complaining they don't have enough time to "teach". There's not enough time in the day, so really, taking time out to watch the President parent was not sitting well with me, because that meant an hour extra of homework for the kiddies to catch up on the stuff they missed to listen to the President tell them stuff their parents make a point of telling them everyday of their lives. So for them, they were terribly bored, at lest one of my kids told me they took a nap and appreciated that they go to "watch the speech" .."cause I was really tired."
Don’t you hate when
Tue, 09/08/2009 - 23:12 — user12345Don’t you hate when socialist speak about personal responsibility … this kind of indoctrination encourages children to think for themselves and other dangerous activities. It is scary that the man with “his finger on the button” who could bring mankind to an end would be allowed to speak to our children. Seriously, this is how Republican became a joke. With a game plan of doing the opposite of what the Democrats do ... it just makes them look foolish all the time. Democrats should promote deep breathing so Republican would hold their breath and pass out.
So...
Wed, 09/09/2009 - 08:45 — Bob_SconceObama's big problem here was that his subject matter was never clear until shortly before the speech. If he wanted to avoid the uproar, he could have initially said "I'm gonig to talk to student on September 8th, and here's the transcript of the speech I'm going to give." He didn't do that. As a result, he left himself open to the suspicion that the speech would be about health care. After all, isn't that his focus right now? What's he speaking on tonight?
In 1991, then-president Bush gave a similar speech, and the Democrats in Congress investigated it for months afterwards.
User, Well, at least you
Wed, 09/09/2009 - 06:23 — woodstockUser,
Well, at least you admit to Obama being a socialist, but then that is a tough one for anyone to deny. As for your desire for Republicans to "hold their breath(s) and pass out," that is just a very strange and uncharitable thing to wish upon anyone. Before you suggest others are "foolish," you may want to consider how your words are perceived.
If Obama wanted to speak to our children (I am still wondering why he finds this necessary) why not do it at a time when the entire family can watch together? Why take time out of the school day to tell kids what they hear on a regular basis at home?
I agree ... teaching time
Wed, 09/09/2009 - 07:52 — user12345I agree ... teaching time should be closely guarded. Guarding classroom time would have been a good solid argument for the Republicans to use that would have been logical and gotten support from a wide range of people … but to take the angle that it is dangerous for our Commander and Chief to talk to children was silly or that he would indoctrinate young minds in socialist ways contrived …. Both of these points stem from just wanting the opposite of the Democrats not being for something … until the Republicans start being for something instead of just against Democrats we won’t have a healthy two party system … btw, if socialist means we don’t have to be at war all the time, are not left with a huge debt in a free fall with no regulations by fiscal conservatives, could afford health care one day, don’t worry about building thousand mile fences along our borders, don’t worry about a person’s sexual orientation, and where the country is run out of the president’s office and not the VPs than I am for it compared to the previous eight years
My argument was not that
Wed, 09/09/2009 - 10:43 — woodstockMy argument was not that Obama's speech is "dangerous," but rather what is the point of it except to promote himself? He is certainly not an expert on education, and his job is not to motivate my child. I don't see what he offers in a speech in a school setting that could not be accomplished in another setting where a child's parents could be present to discuss it. Schools are already a bastion of liberalsim, we do not need to compound that by giving a socialist politician a platform.
Thanks at least for admitting that you are onboard with socialism. It explains your lack of understanding on what this country is all about.
"It explains your lack of
Wed, 09/09/2009 - 11:19 — user12345"It explains your lack of understanding on what this country is all about. "
I don’t think being an anti immigrant / diversity / environment / gay, warmongering debtor nation is what we want to be … at least I don’t.
Wow
Wed, 09/09/2009 - 08:14 — Dadof3I really, really try to avoid politics on an ed blog, but this is a doozy. Obama has already outspent Bush's 8 years combined before he has finished his first year. http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush-deficit-vs-obama-deficit-in-pictures/ So, how do we avoid a "huge debit" when we're spending money, like, well, drunken democrats? And your formulation of defining socialism as opposed to how you perceived Bush's ills is... silly.
FYI: Education is so wrapped
Wed, 09/09/2009 - 10:46 — woodstockFYI: Education is so wrapped up in politics, especially in Wake County, that it is nearly impossible to speak about one without other.
I don't get why anyone would
Tue, 09/08/2009 - 22:27 — woodstockI don't get why anyone would support Obama's education speech. What special knowledge does he have that is so important to tell our kids? It is alarmingly presumptuous that he feels the need to do this. Does Obama think most parents are not doing an adequate job of informing their children of the importance of education? Does he believe he possess some grand insight that we do not?
Obama is an elected official with defined responsibilities, none of which includes advising our children. His time would be better spent reading the Constitution to gain a better understanding of where his responsibilities begin and, more importantly, where they end.
I think the doors to the White House will soon have to be enlarged to accommodate Obama's head.
Once again
Tue, 09/08/2009 - 22:36 — supportwcpssGod forbid a fireman, or policeman, or other public servant come in and tell kids to stay in school. Oh my. God forbid any public persona that needs to convey a public image and arguably the most powerful leader in the free world make a positive statemnt to the children of our country.
Get a grip. Is that you Ron?
You are just so
Wed, 09/09/2009 - 20:25 — woodstockYou are just so predictable.
I have a firm grip on the reality that Obama is an egomaniac who thinks he knows better than anyone about almost any subject. A fireman or a policeman actually may have special insight, knowledge or experience that kids need to hear about, What does Obama offer besides a desperate and overwhelming need to insert himself into every aspect of our lives?
Hmmm...
Wed, 09/09/2009 - 22:15 — supportwcpssPot...kettle...black. You obviously see things one way no matter what is said. G88's twin.
I actually come from a large family
Thu, 09/10/2009 - 00:45 — g88ky07at last check I had 12,418 siblings!
Hypocrisy?
Tue, 09/08/2009 - 21:48 — braifordIt's one thing for Mr. Margiotta to express his view that no political figures should ever speak in a school (a position he repeated in an email to me when I asked about this). But it's another to not be consistent...I asked him (twice) to provide evidence that he had just as vigorously opposed previous presidents' speeches to school children (or opposed mayors, city councilmen, school board members, etc. speaking in schools). I even asked if he had ever spoken in a school in his years as a School Board member.
His only reply was that I must not know him very well. But he wouldn't answer the question, so I'm left to make my own assumptions...
I hope Mr. Margiotta would feel free to speak to classes - including my two children's classes. This dust-up was ridiculous and conjurs up the phrase "jumped the shark" - it's been interesting to see how many conservatives have expressed embarrassment about the ruckus.
Those on either end of the political spectrum who cry wolf do more harm than good for their cause.
wow.
Tue, 09/08/2009 - 20:58 — JonesSausage"Margiotta upset about Obama speech to students"
in other news, water is apparently wet.
I'm a conservative Republican-
Tue, 09/08/2009 - 20:53 — shank56IMO, this is the kind of message Obama should be making more often to those who will be more inclined to listen - those that will listen to him and not to W or Reagan or whomever. Obama is stepping up and trying to relay what Jackson and Sharpton will not say in public. He is more likely to be heard and respected by those who need to hear this message the most.
The people who need to hear
Wed, 09/09/2009 - 07:21 — rr77rr99The people who need to hear his message "most" are the PARENTS/GUARDIANS of the kids he's trying to reach. You can put all this on the kids ,(stay in school, do your best, don't do drugs..even though Obama did... and all that...) but that's a lot of pressure on kids who have adults in their lives who are losers.
Still my man...
Tue, 09/08/2009 - 20:30 — Dadof3But he got this one wrong. I'm no fan of Obama, but this hue and cry was embarrassingly silly.
This is one instance where
Tue, 09/08/2009 - 19:23 — ApexterThis is one instance where I have to disagree with Ron.
This was an excellent motivational speech, and I am disgusted that it was not made available to all students.
Actually, I do agree that the board should have voted on it. I think the staff's handling of it --- leaving it up to individual principals to decide, who then left it up to individual teachers to decide --- was just plain wishy-washy.
It would have been better to have the board make a firm decision and relay it to their staff. Teachers and principals need the good will of parents more than the staff and board do. Passing the buck to the them rather than leaving it at the executive level where it belonged put all the heat on the teachers and schools.
I have to agree
Wed, 09/09/2009 - 08:05 — gunfamwith you, and not Ron on this one. And, leaving it up to the teachers was very wishy-washy. Of course, for my kids (Track 2) there was no chance they were going to watch it, since it was their first day tracking back in and no time for permission slips!
and Track 1 was tracked out
Wed, 09/09/2009 - 08:24 — AngelaWand Track 1 was tracked out so we could watch from the comfort of our couch in our jammies :) (except the high schooler who didn't see it anyway)