The numbers crunchers will be interested in the school-by-school look at the magnet/calendar applicants.
For instance, Brentwood Elementary School drew 261 applicants to the new engineering magnet theme that will start in August. There were questions how well it would draw in its first year.
"Brentwood did a fabulous job of going out there and selling the program," said Laura Evans, a senior director in Growth and Planning.
How many of those people will get in depends on the results of the selection lottery that will begin today.
The data showing the base schools for the applicants got the ire of some school board members. For instance, 228 of this year's magnet applicants had Knightdale High as their base school.
"We're getting applicants from the schools we least want them from," said school board member Lori Millberg.
Evans had to reassure Millberg that the Knightdale High group included kids who had been in the magnet program since elementary school. The kids weren't just trying to enter the magnet program for the first time at the high school level.
There's also info showing the breakdown of the year-round applicants based on their track requests. Asst. Supt. Chuck Dulaney said some applicants will be rejected if they only requested one track and that track for that school is full.
The largest group of year-round applicants trying to leave a base school was from Baucom Elementary, where 233 kids wanted to go to Laurel Park Elementary.
Click here to view the handout with the magnet/calendar application data.



Comments
just say no to Stough
Thu, 03/05/2009 - 22:23 — bambiOut of the 34 kids reassigned to Stough from Lacy we know that 28 of them will not be attending Stough. They have all applied to magnet schools and will be considering a lawsuit based on this reassignment, if they dont get into magnets and/or the lawsuit doesn't work then they are prepared to move, home school, attend private school, or attend a charter school.
It seems you stough parents should be upset at the BoE for what they did to you 3 years ago and again what they just did to you this year. They have hurt Stough far worse now by highlighting the monumental problems that stough has to everyone in wake county. And since 95+% of the Lacy kids will not be attending Stough - what has been gained except a heightend awareness of Stough's horrific conditions.
I would advise you Stough parents to get out quickly why your children may still have a chance to succeed instead of suffering through a poor elementary education, it would seem the more affluent and intelligent parents in your base nodes have already done that. Why haven't you all? I feel sorry for your children!
Parent, about the public
Thu, 03/05/2009 - 10:54 — raleighreaderParent, about the public comment period. You are correct that Stough parents spoke at the meetings before Lacy parents did. That's what was in public though. There were lots of non-public communications going on--emails, phone calls, meetings with other BOE members.
We will have to agree to disagree on whether its wrong to argue in favor of a reassignment. I can understand your frustration with it but I can see the other side too.
user1234--They aren't the
Thu, 03/05/2009 - 10:41 — raleighreaderuser1234--They aren't the right schools because they have high F&R.
Clarification of the Numbers
Thu, 03/05/2009 - 10:34 — Lisa_BOK...I am trying to be sure that I am interpreting these numbers correctly. If I am, this is even more evidence to support TRADITIONAL calendar at Leesville schools.
Currently LES has a traditional capacity of 860 with 693 base students expected to attend LES for 2009-10. If we add all 93 students on this report from Baileywick, Hilburn, Jeffries Grove and York bases who want to attend LES by application that gives 786 students attending LES in 2009-10. This is VERY workable on the traditional calendar. (and if any of these 93 students are choosing LES because they 'want a YR elementary school' and not because they 'want LES', then Sycamore Creek has over 475 open seats so there is plenty of space at a YR Elementary School just 2 miles away.)
Currently LRMS has a traditional capacity of 1222 with 1095 base students expected to attend LRMS for 2009-10. If we add all 81 students on this report from Daniels and W. Millbrook bases who want to attend LRMS by application that gives 1176 students attending LRMS in 2009-10--ALSO very workable on the traditional calendar.
SO.........given these numbers, HOW CAN WCPSS EVEN ATTEMPT TO JUSTIFY MYR AT Leesville Elementary or Leesville Middle????????
Excellent analysis. There
Thu, 03/05/2009 - 17:32 — Big_PictureExcellent analysis. There is no justification. Hope you win this one.
I had the same thought
Thu, 03/05/2009 - 10:42 — loriacLisa - 50 kids applied to West Millbrook from Leesville Middle (for trad), 58 applied to Leesville Middle from West Millbrook - looks like all those YR applications should be approved, right? And why would they need anymore than one track if the total capacity is the same as it is today?
However, since nothing about this process makes sense, I fully expect my son's Track 4 YR application to LRMS to be rejected, even tho he is grandfathered in, just because of the node we are in.
Numbers Don't Lie
Thu, 03/05/2009 - 11:29 — Lisa_BHey Lori:
I tried to stay away from the blogs, but feel myself getting "sucked back in". :)
You are ABSOLUTELY correct. Think about it. The 50 kids who applied to go to West Millbrook are kids who want to stay at LRMS but want the traditional calendar. (so they are already included in the 1095 number because they are LRMS 'base students') The 58 who applied to LRMS from W. Millbrook can EASILY attend LRMS too, and if you add the Daniels kids, there will STILL ONLY BE 1176 kids at LRMS which is 96% of the TRADITIONAL capacity.
This whole mess is just CRAZY. With the "ECONOMIC HURRICANE" Dr. Burns is expecting, they need to make changes that will SAVE money, not continue to WASTE money.
Fortunately, several of the board members are truly seeing the Leesville situation for what it is---how can you argue with FACTS?
An *Economic Hurricane* is
Thu, 03/05/2009 - 17:34 — Big_PictureAn *Economic Hurricane* is the perfect storm for meaningful change.
Exploiting Wake County
Thu, 03/05/2009 - 10:01 — AngelaWExploiting Wake County Children
Today, March 05, 2009, 2 hours ago |(Venita Peyton)
As I think back on the Concerned Citizens for African American Children's meeting one week ago at Martin Street Baptist Church, I recall the only student who spoke. She may have inadvertently let the cat out of the bag.
This very composed, obviously intelligent young teenager lives in Wake Forest. She happily arises at 5 am to prepare to attend Enloe High School in East Raleigh, 5 days a week. Through the school she recently was able to attend a program in China. The real China. The country.
This young lady stated that Wake County should have resources in every school. A very good point. However, I couldn't miss the logic that Wake County is willing to pay someone to drive children from Wake Forest to this Raleigh neighborhood. Not a short ride.
This young lady is black. Remember: the goals of busing was to use socio-economic status as the purpose behind teaching children away from their neighborhoods. The guise was that we would diversify schools by busing black children to primarily white neighborhoods so that they could learn together. And, to bus in white children to diversify black schools.
There are many conflicting decisions being made by Wake County school administrators. Much of it is not about diversity. It's about the authenticity of the initial goals, the proven success in magnet programs, and who can attend.
It's also about how certain children's learning environment, ability to graduate, attend the best colleges, and thereafter operate in society, can be managed. At the expense of other children.
I am thrilled for this child's scholastic achievement. Every child can learn and deserves the very best public school education that can be had. However, to me, attendance at magnet schools may explain why more black parents are not attending and speaking up in school board and reassignment meetings.
It increasingly sounds like some parents may fear that their child will lose their place at a magnet school. AND, that child may be bussed with those 'other' children.
You know, those children labelled as troubled, low income, and undeserving to attend a school with a 'better' environment.
Here is another reason for revamping the Wake County School Board. There are too many political decisions being made behind closed doors. We are allowing the system to pit one child’s future against another child’s future. One child's family against another child's family.
And that's wrong.
What parent wouldn’t want their child to receive the very best education? A community will rally around a child who might need to raise money to attend a summer experience in a foreign country. Especially, if their parents can’t afford the expense. But some black families CAN afford the expense, because their child's education is worth the sacrifice. Which also means that the socio-economic status jargon may be just a smoke screen for divvying up the goods among certain families. At the expense of others.
This young lady may or may not realize that the bigger conversation now is about forced busing. She may have been given a pass.
The goal of a fair, equitable public school education should be to give a ‘pass’ to every, single child. Regardless of who they are. Or who they know.
Now that over 13,000 applications for magnet schools have been received, we have to wonder how staff will determine who the beneficiaries will be. At a minimum, we know the decision will not be based on equity or fairness.
It will be based on 'who' you know.
well said. I am glad
Thu, 03/05/2009 - 10:29 — vsheehanwell said.
I am glad the young lady got the experience but another part of me is jealous that my kids wont have the same opportunity. My son will leave a Magnet next year and go to a base.(Gas is to much) He said he was worried about not being able to pick an elective. I said don't worry your going to a non magnet your elective choices will be business management and gym. Enjoy the equal opportunity for all .
MUTUAL RESPECT FOR ALL!!!
I would just like to clarify
Thu, 03/05/2009 - 09:01 — raleighreaderI would just like to clarify that Stough parents never asked for Lacy students to attend their school. They asked for some relief--for the backfill that they were supposed to have gotten when Brier Creek opened and siphoned off Stough students. It happened to be Lacy nodes that got reassigned and when Lacy parents protested, then yes, Stough parents fought to keep them because Stough needs the students.
Also, the percentage difference is not small--Stough's F&R is twice that of Lacy's and the schools are about 2 miles apart. I know that Lacy parents have argued that the BOE should be worrying about the difference between schools like Fox Road and Wildwood Forest instead. I agree that Fox & WWF are an issue, but not one that is easily remedied--it has been tried and failed already. I understand that nobody wants to leave their school. The fact that Lacy parents were successful in fighting this move when it was first proposed a few years ago has only exacerbated the situation now. Those children are still assigned to a 'neighborhood school', which is much better than what some families get.
Not saying the 2 F&R
Thu, 03/05/2009 - 10:46 — parentNot saying the 2 F&R percentages were close, just saying our 25 kids will change yours very little. Fighting to keep kids in a propasal means they will have to leave their school, whether you put them in there or not. I've heard Stough did lobby to have them put in , but even if they did not I find it repulsive to fight to have someone else's child reassigned no matter the circumstances. Two miles is no big deal, but Stough is not my neighborhood school. If students are needed, promote your school so people want to come, that is what Lacy did years ago and now people move to this area just to go to Lacy. Stough's base has tremendous growth potential. Search for homes that have sold within the last 3 years in the base area and are being built, it is well over a thousand. Additionally, it is funny that you say you waited until Lacy parents protested to fight to keep them in. I recall Stough speaking at every public comment period, Lacy spoke only at the last two.
Stough Has Been Treated Poorly For Too Long
Thu, 03/05/2009 - 10:20 — Lisa_BHi Blog Friends and Newcomers:
I have been away from "Blog World" for a long time and have been skimming a few of the blogs this morning.
It truly does seem as though certain schools do get destroyed, and the "relief" offered to them is not even close to a solution.
After the Stough families were moved to Brier Creek, they did not receive "replacement" students. The "relief" that was eventually offered was to make Stough the traditional option for LES after the unnecessary MYR conversion of LES. WCPSS was well aware of the fact that the majority of Leesville families were so attached to the Leesville community that they would not take Stough as an option. No offense against Stough, but as everyone knows it is a HUGE sacrifice to make your kids leave a school they have always attended to go ANYWHERE--ESPECIALLY when you are part of a campus like Leesville and you have ties to the neighboring MS and HS. (and I completely realize that many families are FORCED to leave their schools which is just horrible)
SO, I can sympathize with the Lacy families who don't want to leave Lacy. I also think that Stough has been ignored like a stepchild for several years, and I can understand why they were excited to be given some relief. BUT, it sounds like they'll be faced with a similar situation AGAIN when families from "healthy nodes" take another option. I have friends at Stough and I truly feel sorry for the situation they are in. It really stinks.
NOW, Hilburn is being put in a similar situation and it is totally unfair. WCPSS moved most of Hilburn's families, their Principal, and many teachers up to the new Sycamore Creek last July. When they did this, they gave Hilburn NO relief. Even in the 3-year plan - NO RELIEF for Hilburn.
Now, the "false relief" being offered to Hilburn in the 3-year plan is telling them that they will get LES families who want to opt-out. BUT, that won't happen if LRMS is forced to convert to MYR.
And the numbers at LES do not justify keeping LES operating on the YR calendar either, so a MYR reversal is still something that needs to be seriously considered.
Hopefully we'll all see more realistic and family-friendly changes coming soon. If more families continue to be driven away from WCPSS, there will be much worse problems than "excessive growth". (Due to many factors, "excessive growth" is already a thing of the past)
The schools least wanted
Thu, 03/05/2009 - 00:23 — Falc"We're getting applicants from the schools we least want them from," said school board member Lori Millberg.
If they know which schools are "not the right schools" what are they doing to improve them so they can become "right schools" other than the usual forcing student body demographics approach that has not worked?
On one hand I suppose one should appreciate Ms. Millberg's candor. However, has it ever crossed Ms. Millberg's mind that if she labels schools as "not the right schools" it is not exactly a ringing endorsement of those schools or providing an incentive for people to want to attend them? Those schools are struggling enough with bad reputation labels and could probably do without a Board member seconding those labels.
Falc, are they not the right
Thu, 03/05/2009 - 10:33 — user1234Falc, are they not the right schools because of capacity or potential? e.g. maybe they are attracting great kids from a great school that happens to be under utilized?
capacity or potential?
Thu, 03/05/2009 - 13:50 — FalcI think all schools could have potential, but due to current policies "potenial" is not equitably distributed.
The highest number of applicants appear to be coming from schools that have higher F&R % than most magnets. However, not only do not get to have magnet status, they are denied the ability to try to provide most of what magnets get, even if they could find a way to fund the programs.
These schools may have capacity issues as well. As others have pointed out, some people frustrated by the inequity generated by the "not the right" schools and the non-lottery application acceptence issue have voted with their feet and left WCPSS, creating even more problems for the "not the right" schools.
I'm afraid that it is a downward spiral for these diverse schools thanks to the diversity policy. It is a hard sell to convince parents to have them give a higher F&R non-magnet school a chance given that according to WCPSS too many F&R kids make for an "unhealthy" school.
Guess what you will NOT find mentioned in the defination of "at-risk students" in my home district: ED, LEP or SWD. What you will find: things like students who are suicidal and students who have been abused. So, how many parents there do you suppose judge a school based on ED %?
They are not the right
Thu, 03/05/2009 - 10:57 — SouthEastWakeMomThey are not the right school because their F&R percentages are already high and the ones typically opting for magnets are non-F&R. The diversity policy at work again.....
Laurel Park/Baucom/Stough
Wed, 03/04/2009 - 17:26 — nowheremanOr why there are so many applicants from the Stough base? This number far exceeds the number of those recently reassigned.
The recently reassigned
Wed, 03/04/2009 - 18:22 — parentThe recently reassigned totals 25 kids. No wonder the Lacy folks don't want to go. The folks that have always known that is their base school choose to try to get out as well. That F&R number will really come down with the big 25, most of which will be going elsewhere. So glad the BOE disrupted so many familys. Perhaps instead of trying to force "healthy" families in, they should have addressed the real issue with the school so that "healthy" families would want to go there. Just a thought.
Please stop the rhetoric about Stough.
Wed, 03/04/2009 - 22:45 — MNmomThirty-four Lacy families applied for magnet and yet somehow it is not okay that some of the Stough base applied? And who wouldn’t - given the unfounded rumors that are being spreading about Stough?
First, if there are such things as good schools and bad schools, then shame on all of us! This is one school district serving a common community. We should care that ALL schools are good!
Second, if you are going to defame a school, at least have your facts straight. If 90% of Stough’s base (prior to reassignment) attended Stough, the school would still be under-populated by almost one hundred students. It was not enough to recruit within the old base. Stough lost hundreds of students when Brier Creek reopened. Our scores went down when families resisted the move to refill these seats three years ago – it is on them that our resources and scores dropped, not on Stough!
Third, I challenge you to visit Stough. Of the ~40 families who were affected by the reassignment, only about four have bothered to even step foot in the front door. How can you say these things without spending even a minute with us?
Forth, if you don’t want your children to attend Stough, then don’t go. But don’t leave a legacy of hate for the families who will attend and those of us who do attend. On one hand you tell us to ‘recruit within’ and on the other hand you do everything you can to ensure that new families in our community will think that this is the worst school in the district!
We love our school and are confident that we will return it to the School of Excellence it was just a few years ago. We have enough on our hands; we shouldn’t have to fight your unfounded attacks as well. As a group, we try to not to buy into these blog comments and generally we do a good job of resisting. But enough is enoug
Please, for the sake of our children and our school system, please stop the rhetoric! If you want to learn more about Stough, please contact us. We will be happy to give you a tour and answer any of your questions openly and honestly.
I have been to Stough and
Wed, 03/04/2009 - 23:39 — parentI have been to Stough and the test scores for EOGs, ABCs, and the report card were all less than great. That is not rhetoric. You cannot say they mean nothing and are not representative of your school. Only 48% of third graders are reading at grade level. Even if broken down by subgroup you lag behind many other schools. If other high F&R schools can have good scores then you can as well. I also do not know why you would not be at capacity from your base population. Per Wake Co BOE, mobile units are for peak enrollment not permanent capacity. You have either 7 or 10 mobiles I don't recall which, I do know it was a great number more than I have seen at any other campus. Secondly, Stough parents made no friends when they advocated that someone else's child be moved to make their school better or healthy or whatever. Fight for your own kids to stay or go, but I bet you wouldn't want me standing up in front of the school board asking for your child to leave their friends and a school they are thriving in to make my school better. Your little garden sign says there is nothing lower than stealing from a child, I say there is nothing lower than trying to get someone else's child reassigned. No one wants their kids crying and wondering what they did wrong, why their school can't be their school anymore. Lastly, the real point, no one seems to grasp, is that it would not matter if your school was the best in the county, I would still want my kids to go to their school. I do not want them disrupted to change an F&R percentage by a very small margin. As a parent you really should understand that. If the grass is greener at your neighbors house, do you rip up their yard and put it in your yard or do you go over and ask your neighbor how they got such green grass? I do not hate your school, I do hate how this was approached.
We Still Welcome You
Thu, 03/05/2009 - 09:25 — MNmomThank you for responding. I do know that this is hard and we are all sensitive to that fact, which is why you don’t see us posting on the blogs. This is not easy for you and the last three years have been very stressful for Stough a well.
I want to underline that we DO understand that the Stough test scores are scary. Trust us – no one knows that better than we do! We have not said that all is well at Stough or we would not have been asking the school district for help over the past three years. With F&R rates in the high-40s, clearly our resources have been stretched thin, making it difficult to serve our students – ALL of our students. This decline should never have happened and would not have happened if the nodes that were to be reassigned three years ago had been reassigned, as planned. Those children would have entered a healthier school. There is no doubt about it. Here is how we got to this point:
As you can see, we have had a great deal of transition over the years and many of the students who took the test last year are simply not in the school anymore. Year to year test scores during this time do not tell the story of what is going to happen next year and the years to follow when we re-gain stability. What IS a good indicator is to look at Stough in the years prior to the Brier Creek reassignment in 2006. In those years, Stough and Lacy had almost identical composite test scores. If you go back even further, I hear all the time from people who say that 10+ years ago everyone wanted to go to Stough and families were upset when they were moved from Stough to Lacy. Moves are never easy, but change is inevitable when you have growing and shrinking populations: the Lacy population grew as young families moved into the neighborhoods, Stough’s population shrank when kids moved to Brier Creek. Every school system faces these reassignments based on population shifts, not just Raleigh. You say that you won’t change things except by a few points. If families don’t come, then it is a self fulfilling prophecy. I can assure you, we are doing everything we can to recruit families from within all of our nodes. As Lacy families did years ago, we have an active grassroots campaign to improve things at Stough and we ask you to join us – to be part of something important. The good news is that the teachers and community that were here before this transition are still here, so we don’t have as far to go as Lacy did. You tell us to fight for our school, but every other method of filling these seats for the past three years clearly did not work and the BOE went back to the original plan. Three years ago, our families did not stand up and ask for those nodes – and look what happened. We had to be more vocal this time because we can’t have another three years like those we just had and we tried to do it in the most tasteful way possible, recognizing that we want to be shoulder to shoulder with you next year. But please know that no one wanted your child or your neighbor’s child, we just want a healthy school base. I understand that it is emotional, but we all want to work together, with you, to build it back up. We can do it, but the distraction of all this noise is counterproductive. Now that the reassignment is a fact, we want to remind you that many of our hearing presentations were about welcoming you – and we still take that approach today. We welcome you and your children.
Thank you both for a
Thu, 03/05/2009 - 10:30 — user1234Thank you both for a detailed, fact fill account of what happened and the results. I don't know these schools but better understand the issues now.
Sounds like about 1/10th
Wed, 03/04/2009 - 15:18 — g88ky07of all students/families want change. Isn't that correct, about 140K students in Wake?
if so, 1/10th want something else??
WOW, now there's a story N&O!
TCE/Baucom/Laurel Park
Wed, 03/04/2009 - 13:56 — ApexRes98I wonder how many of those Baucom kids came from TCE a few years ago.
AND SO WHAT
Wed, 03/04/2009 - 13:52 — Bob_SconceWhy is it bad for a student to want to get into the magnet program at the high school level? Why shouldn't those kids have the same chance as anybody else?
Because WCPSS doesn't work
Wed, 03/04/2009 - 14:04 — AngelaWBecause WCPSS doesn't work OR think that way....
Millberg: Curiously Incurious
Wed, 03/04/2009 - 13:50 — fiestamomIf this was a school district that actually cared about kids' (ahem) education, Millberg would be asking herself some pertinent questions:
Why so many applicants from Baucom? Why so many applicants from Knightdale?
Plus
Thu, 03/05/2009 - 07:26 — gunfamin Baucom you have those families who were in VYR (ex. at Turner Creek), then sent "back to base" when Baucom went MYR, and now have to reapply for YR since Baucom is going back to Traditional. They wanted YR from the beginning and now have their kids possibly moving to a 3rd school in 4 years. ARGH
Baucom #'s
Wed, 03/04/2009 - 14:02 — MudcrutchThe reason there are so many students leaving Baucom is because it is re-verting back to traditional after just two years of operating on a YR calendar. Many Baucom families now have middle school siblings in YR (like at Salem) so they are trying to get in to Laurel Park to have calendar consistency in their family.
At least she says what the
Wed, 03/04/2009 - 13:46 — vsheehanAt least she says what the others think and act upon but never say. You have to give her credit for that. Academic excellence is only for a few in Wake and everyone else just a pawn in the BOE's games.
Laurel Park/Baucom
Wed, 03/04/2009 - 12:57 — MudcrutchWill all of the 233 students who applied to Laurel Park from Baucom be let in? Are they guaranteed to keep their track assignments?
guaranteed to keep their track assignments?
Wed, 03/04/2009 - 14:12 — g88ky07are you serious? not a chance!
??
Wed, 03/04/2009 - 12:26 — SideburnsThere's so much wrong with this. Where to begin?
Ms. Millberg thinks some school populations should qualify for acceptance to a magnet and others should not. (Choice is good...for some.)
Ms. Evans is happy to explain that most HS magnet applications from Knightdale are currently in the magnet program. (Continuing choice is good...for some.)
Mr. Dulaney will happily reject YR applicants if the requested track is full. (Controlled choice is even better....for some.)
Isn't it time for a little change around here?
LOL
Wed, 03/04/2009 - 12:23 — RiversideRealistShe is an absolute buffoon.
"We're getting applicants
Wed, 03/04/2009 - 12:16 — SouthEastWakeMom"We're getting applicants from the schools we least want them from," said school board member Lori Millberg.
Leave it to Ms. Millberg to always make you feel just warm and fuzzy (not!) about how much WCPSS actually cares about the well-being and education of your child.
either she is well and truly
Wed, 03/04/2009 - 14:05 — AngelaWeither she is well and truly an unkind, thoughtless, small-minded, vindictive person or she gets misquoted a lot....care to place bets on which?
Millberg isn't the only
Wed, 03/04/2009 - 14:25 — KeungHui (author)Millberg isn't the only person from Eastern Wake concerned about the impact of area schools losing kids to the magnet program. Click here for an article about it in this week's Eastern Wake News.
Thanks for the link to the
Wed, 03/04/2009 - 19:42 — SouthEastWakeMomThanks for the link to the article. Having read it, I'd say that Eastern Wake parents are just trying to do what every other parent in this county is trying to do - get the best possible education for their children. The fact that WCPSS limits certain academic opportunities to the magnet system and locates those magnets inside the beltline for the most part is driving the opt outs. If WCPSS would just equalize academic opportunities across the district, they'd get folks to opt to stay in their local schools.
Seems simple
Thu, 03/05/2009 - 00:11 — Falc"If WCPSS would just equalize academic opportunities across the district, they'd get folks to opt to stay in their local schools."
Seems like a reasonable and workable solution.