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Looking at Wake's blue and green assignment plans

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It's time to pick your colors in the Wake County student assignment fight.

The blue plan/community-based choice plan would have you choose four to six elementary schools, with the choices largely based on proximity. The options would include an "achievement choice," a school that’s determined by Wake to be within the top third in the district academically based on factors such as how many high-performing teachers it has and the passing rate of students on state exams.

The achievement choice is the blue plan's efforts to avoid creating high pockets of low-performing schools.

The green plan/base school achievement plan, in Wake's words, "seeks to make improvements in the current plan in several areas." You've still got your nodes and base assignments, which are primarily based on proximity.

But proximity takes a back seat for some nodes when it comes to continuing to use busing for diversity.

The green plan is designed so that no school has proficiency levels more than 10 percent below the system-wide average. This means that low-income neighborhoods, which on average have lower test scores, could find themselves being bused for academic diversity instead of economic diversity.

One improvement is that the green plan says students would only be reassigned once per school-level. This would avoid the situation of elementary students being reassigned twice.

Both plans are supposed to preserve about the same number of magnet application seats. Although it would seem to be a lot harder to do so under the blue plan.

Tata said he and the task force think the blue plan "is a better fit" than the green plan because it can better deal with growth. He echoed the arguments made earlier by school board member John Tedesco and education consultant Michael Alves that keeping the node system with its base assignments aren't adequate for dealing with growth.

There are still a lot of unanswered questions from what school officials admit are plans that are still works in progress. For instance, you can't yet determine the middle school and high school choices under both plans.

Since Wake's site will be slow initially, I've posted this handout. It includes Superintendent Tony Tata's overview today, the white papers for both plans and a comparison sheet done by the task force of the plans.

UPDATE

Click here to view the plans.

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Blue vs. Green is a False Choice

Why are we talking about only two choices: Blue or Green?  There were nine plans assembled (although some of them were ridiculous...)

This feels like a political stunt designed to make Goldman choose between the old diversity policy (which she doesn't like) and a plan with no base schools (which she also doesn't like).  

Why isn't someone analyzing the other plans and assembling a palatable choice that lands in the middle?  Two months ago, EVERYBODY wanted to define an assignment plan -- now nobody wants to look past two suggestions?!?!?

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I agree. It is a false choice. I find it strange that two plans are being heavily pushed yet there are 7 others that are under consideration.

The yellow plan is very close to what I envisioned. Of course, there are some things that I would change. I don't support base assignments and I don't agree with an automatic "in" to stay in the magnet progression.

Why the hell would Tata

Why the hell would Tata present a plan -- the green plan --  that is so similar to the old diversity policy and would assign specific nodes to schools for diversity reasons??!!

What is he thinking?! Are we going back in time? He just does not seem to get it.

The green plan is just status quo/Dulaney Part 2 with forced busing, no choice, the delusion that  kids learn by osmosis, and continual reassignments that we will be told is about "growth."

Why are we rehashing this nonsense AGAIN!!

May be because the fearless general....

May be because the fearless general realized that a proven strategy that makes 10% population mad needs to stay on table when all others have potential to make 50% population mad. Just imagine 50% not getting there first choice in choice lottery! Every parent prefers one school for there kid. Anything else is cause of dissatisfaction.

May be Tata realized that stability is a function of growth and not function of assignment plan. No assignment plan presented addresses growth.

Fox Road a magnet under blue plan?

I plugged in a Milburnie Road address to see what types of options they were given and under the magnet school listings, it includes Fox Road Magnet ES.  

I'll try to get confirmation

I'll try to get confirmation today but I'm thinking that's an error. The blue plan is supposed to leave all current magnets alone for now with no decisions made yet about which schools get magnets in 2012.

new magnets

Here's what it says in the blue plan details: " Magnet programs remain in their current school locations and include the start-up for the three new magnet schools for 2012 that were included in the recently approved budget; the cost of those programs will depend upon the themes chosen for those schools."

Is he calling the themed schools magnets"

Also states that the plan is dependent on the construction of 3 middle schools and 2 HS's in the next six years. 

Fox Road hasn't been been

Fox Road hasn't been been designated a themed school.

yes

That's why I asked the question.  The quote implies that three magnets have been named, but I haven't heard of any. 

I think that magnet schools

I think that magnet schools have themes.

school assignments

I am confused and it is probably user error -- but how do i/where do i enter my node to see where my kids would be assigned?  Thanks

You can go to this

You can go to this link http://wwwgis2.wcpss.net/prod/assignmentLookup/assignmentLookupMain.php and above the list of schools after you enter your address are tabs for the different plans.

You don't need to know your

You don't need to know your node to search either plan. When you click the option to see either plan in detail you will see a check your address box. Click there and plug in your address and it will search your options for you.

Choice Lottery....

I watched the blue plan video and found the use of the words "choice lottery" interesting. Looks like if I pick a school then it could be overridden by the lottery process. Resulting in exactly what we have now. Would that be forced busing or by choice?

There isn't going to be a

There isn't going to be a plan that gives you your first choice school for certain. It's just not realistic.  With the blue plan, you have some uncertainty initially, with input and guaranteed long term stability.  In the green plan, you could move to a house that is assigned to your first choice school, but could still be reassigned.  Or, your first choice school could get a calendar conversion based on enrollment increase/decrease.  

These are two very pragmatic realistic options given the constraints of money, capacity, and growth.  It will be interesting to see if most parents want to face the uncertainty just once, or if they want to keep being reassigned and converted (only slightly less often.) 

 

He has said they are works in progress

The point of releasing them now is to get a sense of which direction the community wants to go.  He did say.

"feeder patterns are guaranteed from the chosen ES to a designated MS to a designated HS "when possible." In a few cases, a middle school may feed more than one high school; then, "assignments will be structured such that elementary cohorts stay together through K-12"

Once you get the basic direction down, the MS and HS assignments fall into place as well.  It seems he mainly is asking the question, 'does the community want more choices and flexibility to deal with growth', or 'more certainty in your assignments.'  That does not seem an unreasonable question at this point in the process

All 3 levels should be given

All 3 levels should be given base assignments independently of one another, but logically.

Our ES draws people from 2 different communities because it is centrally located between them.  If all kids go to one MS, half the families are upset.

This is pointless and that is the point Mr. Politics

The point of releasing the plans with 2/3rds of the info missing is a joke. Period.

If it falls right into place Mr. Politics then it should have taken ZERO effort to put the info right along with the ES info on each plan. Looking at this mess the public has no idea which MS or HS choices we have. None.

Wow, What was poltical about

Wow,

What was poltical about saying it is reasonable to ask the questions I posed rather than getting completely bent out of shape and bashing your guys guy. 

I guess you would be a better Superintendent that Super Tata.  

Construtive dialog obviously not your strong suite, so I will put you in the same category as the other 'anonymous coward' and ignore you as well.

Hmm, you have interesting

Hmm, you have interesting way of "ignoring" someone. LOL

You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer are you?

Don't hurt yourself

on the way out.

idge

Whalercane is a good person, regardless of what he believes or how he makes a living. You are just so hateful, spiteful and pitiful. Something very mean must have happened to you somewhere. And if you are into Jesus, you haven't been able to absorb any of the lessons. That's sad for you. Part of me wants to verbally slap you, but that is way to easy. At least woodstock is witty from time to time. You are just a pitiful poster painfully pontificating to project personal pain. Here's an electric hug. Maybe you should go visit a local kindergarten class; the kids will help you understand how to get along.

Thank you for your kind words

It saddens me to see the vitrol directed at Super Tata now.    Life is too short to take oneself so seriously that civility becomes a challenge.

Oh please, "vitriol?" LOL I

Oh please, "vitriol?" LOL I am sure he would much rather have someone give it to him straight than have someone smile at him while they deceive him and work to undermine his efforts.

I still can't believe people don't see through you more often.

Anytime you want to slap me

please let me know and I'll meet you anywhere you like. And when you're done slapping me the reality of this will still be what it is, incomplete without the MS and HS choices. Just because you can't handle someone calling it like it is ain't my problem Perry's friend.

Now back to reality. I am absolutely floored that very few have said a word since 4pm about the missing parts of this plan. Not surprised that the local media is clueless, but that parents are not flat out livid over the fact that we don't have any info outside of the ES choices.

What the hell is everyone else supposed to do, wait on the plan to be finalized before we can give input and even have a clue what our choices will be? Even the fairly well informed Mr. Hui hasn't chimed in on the missing 2/3rds. Either some of us are completely out of the loop or it can all be summed up in a word, pitiful.

I noted in the post and

I noted in the post and online story they didn't have ms and he options. Enough folks have complained they added an editor's note on the plan website.

And thank you

for helping them along with getting more info out today. Not much more for sure, but more nonetheless.

Editor's note not helpful

Have they stated if they will be posting the ms and hs options before the June 12 deadline for public comment?  The editor's note was not helpful at all.

I asked James Overman, the

I asked James Overman, the head of the student assignment task force, that question today. He said they might list the MS and HS options before June 12 but he wasn't sure.

Question

If we make comments on the plan, will our comments be published online with our name and phone number like last time?

I don't know if it will be

I don't know if it will be published by Wake but they do include the disclaimer that all comments become public record.

Thank you!

Thank you!

When you see James again

please ask him exactly what it is he'd like to hear from the rest of us who have absolutely nothing to work with or form an opinion about with this incomplete thought of theirs.

This just may be a bigger cluster than most of the stupid crap the previous board and their fearless leader pulled on us. You have got to be kidding us James. Tata. Board. Is this the best you guys can do cause I'm fading fast on all of you. Do you people not understand WE ARE SICK OF THIS KIND OF $#!*

Don't think so...

I think the point is to give an approach, not actual assignments.  Even the elementary listings are subject to change.

Right now ES listings are all there is

Of course they're going to change based on which plan they go with. No disrespect intended here, but tell us how the rest of us get to have input exactly? I'm pretty steamed, I know you can't tell, about once again not being given the full story. First a list of 14 schools is released without giving it thorough thought and just avoiding the false hope all together for the 9 schools who got that shaft and now not being provided info at the same time others are helps us how?

People want to bitch about Magnets not being fair, and they're not, but waiting for an assignment plan for well more than a year and then after it's been pumped up for weeks out it comes with 2/3rds missing. Did Tata or anyone else ever say over the last few weeks oh wait, you folks with MS and HS concerns won't be given your info at the same time?

And apparently as of tonight he still can't tell us when we'll see our options.

If your reference to the 9

If your reference to the 9 of 14 schools being given false hope is a reference to the calendar discussion, you really should edit it out.

I know for a fact that 1 of the 9 schools got exactly what parents there wanted when they were asked for their input about the potential calendar change.  They wanted to stay multi-track and they did.  I believe that is also the case for at least some of the other 8 schools who were ultimately allowed to stay multi-track.

I'm disappointed as well

I'm disappointed as well with the lack of MS HS information. My children will grandfather for ES, but at this point, it's difficult to comment if the plans show me nothing else. Our current school and YR option is in our group of options and is (are) our base(s) for the Green plan..

Interestingly, Fox Rd Elementary is listed as a magnet otion for us in the Blue plan but not the Green plan.

TBD???

No schools listed at all, for either plan, for MS or HS.  You're kidding us aren't you Mr. Tata? You don't know what the MS and HS assignments would be yet, but you released the plan anyway? They're kidding right?

TBD, say what? This is a big joke. If we can't see all of the choices what the hell is the purpose in releasing a plan? It's a half baked, not even close to ready plan, but let's let the public start bitching about it now and we'll go from there.

Well I'm bitching because these plans don't tell me a thing. NOTHING Mr. Tata!

No middle or high school for anyone??

Wow!  I thought it was just me. We also have NO Middle school or High school listed for our address for either the green or blue plan.  How am I supposed to make a decision on which plan I prefer based on nothing?  We are set for elementary school.  DD  attends private school b/c our base elementary is not very good in terms of passing rates and of course, no acceptance into Magnets for us.  So I was MOST interested in what's being planned for the higher grade levels.  

The elementary schools they have listed for our address are pretty much the ones we currently have.  Oh yah, they have lots of Magnets listed again but good luck with that!!!   We've been blocked from those in the past.  How are these green / blue plans different from our current system?  So confused!.  Better keep working.  Looks like we'll have to send DD to private MS too. 

no info for me

I also was disappointed with no MS or HS options shown.  

Green plan - assigned to same traditional ES, 5 furthest ES from us.  YR option is the nearby YR.

Blue plan - 4 traditional options, 2 YR options for ES.

 

My kids are in HS (or will be next year) - so no comment on the ES.

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T. Keung Hui covers Wake schools.
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