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Lois Nixon files for District 9 school board seat

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Lois Nixon was the only person to file today to run for the school board.

In her press release today for the District 9 seat, Nixon touted her experience as an education and "award-winning community leader." So far, Chapel Hill educator Ray Martin is the only other candidate who has filed, although a third person backed by the Wake Schools Community Alliance hasn't filed yet.

Nixon said her priority "is to focus on improving the achievement of every student — the high achievers, as well as those who struggle with academics, and she wants to engage the community to help all children succeed."

The press release doesn't directly address the diversity policy although she does tout Wake County having an "excellent school system." That's a statement frequently made by supporters of the school system to justify the diversity policy.

Nixon is likely to be backed by the Wake County Democratic Party and other supporters of current board policies.

Here's Nixon's press release:

Lois Nixon files for Wake County Board of Education in District 9

Today, educator and award-winning community leader Lois Nixon announced her candidacy for the Wake County School Board in District 9. In giving her reasons for filing Nixon pointed to her strong record of professional and volunteer service to the community. “In the 30 years that I have lived in Cary, I have worked with countless neighbors, friends and organizations to make our community a better place for all citizens.” Nixon’s experience also includes working for 20 years for Wake County as Director of the Keep America Beautiful program, where she had regular contact with the Board of Commissioners. Nixon is a Certified Environmental Educator and a champion for the environment, and has shared that passion and expertise with students in classroom lessons and with teachers in professional development workshops in schools from one end of the county to the other. Her two sons graduated from the Wake County Public School System, and her two grandchildren will soon be entering the school system, so she has a personal as well as a professional interest in the quality of Wake County Schools.

Nixon’s priority is to focus on improving the achievement of every student—the high achievers, as well as those who struggle with academics, and she wants to engage the community to help all children succeed. Lois understands that, “Excellence is NOT easy--just ask a successful athlete-- but we must set high expectations to achieve excellence.” Working together with the community, Lois says she intends to use her extensive experience to provide leadership and innovative new ideas to the Wake County Board of Education to continue that tradition of excellence and help take our schools to the next level.

Experts agree that the most important predictor of student success is an outstanding teacher. As a school board member, Lois will help to continue to recruit, retain and support the very best teachers.

Cary has a proud tradition of educational excellence, dating back to the 1896 establishment of Cary High School, which became one of the first public high schools in the state. Recently, it was reported that Cary is the 3rd fastest growing city in the country. That pace of growth provides ongoing challenges for the school system. Like these newcomers, many families moved to Wake County because of its excellent school system, and this continues to be one of our community’s most important economic development tools. Lois will work to ensure that we have an outstanding public school system that is good for our community, better for families, and great for our children as they become citizens of the world.

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WhalerCane- why i moved here and what i know now!

we researched several states long and hard before we chose Wake County NC. The one important factor that (WC) NC had over the other states we looked at was their education system. However, the school system we researched and read about is NOT the school system i have experienced over the past 5 years! Please don't tell me I am buying a STEAK when it's really only a BALONEY SANDWICH! I will say that Wake County has great potential.  However, the people we elect should have our children and their education as their first priority. They should listen to parents and their concerns. THEY SHOULD KNOW HOW TO SPEND OUR MONEY AND BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR IT!!!!!!!  The important decisions they make should not be made on a whim.         Being "involved in the community" doesn't say much if "the community" doesn't go past your own back yard.  Wake County is too large for one school system to be run properly as it is.  Anyone who is not concerned with the whole county and ALL children within should not attempt to advise us or represent us.  I wil not vote for anyone who thinks this school system just needs "a little" improvement.  It's an easy job to keep everything the same.  I will vote for the people who admit there is a lot of work to be done and have the guts to go against the brick wall of complacency that is in place here now.

No Fan, I have to

No Fan, I have to respectfully disagree and say with confidence that every member I know who has taken the time to become a pinata on the Wake BoE have "our children and their education as their first priority." Frankly, it is insulting to them to insist they do not just because they may disagree with you. They have cared for our children for some time, perhaps even before you arrived here. If it has been that bad over these past five years, than perhaps you might re-evaluate your choice. I do agree that anyone elected to the BoE should keep the whole County in mind.

It is time to stop living in the past

WhalerCane, Your choice of moniker suggests you have a hard time letting go of the past. Perhaps that is why you support a school board and school board candidates that are mired in the past and are unwilling to look at innovation and or even simple common sense to solve our County’s educational challenges.

You state that the school board has our children and education as their priority. If that was true, why do they insist on continuing policies that are proven failures? Why do they refuse to conduct a study to determine if their policies are having a positive impact? Why do they cast barely veiled accusations of racism to those who suggest there may be a better way – including students and parents? (And, why do you support candidates that employ such tactics?)

As tuned in as you claim to be, you must know that Wake County performs below the state level for graduating economically disadvantaged students. Some minority student populations barely meet even a 50% graduation rate. That's pitiful. Yet you continue to support the candidates and board members that want to offer more of the same and criticize those who seek better solutions. There is a political agenda at work here that is not focused on serving the students and parents in Wake County. It has more to do with creating a façade of caring than facilitating and promoting solutions that work.

Have you ever considered why school board members are often treated like “piñatas.” It is because they treat students and parent far worse (decorum prohibits me from stating what they are treated like). If you ever attended a school board session where impassioned parents have had to beg before the school board for a common sense resolution to a school challenge and then be denied that resolution, perhaps you would understand better. Did you attend any of the bogus “listening sessions” the board held throughout the county? I did, and I heard dozens upon dozens of parents pleading with the board for common sense school assignments …as usual, their pleas were ignored.

You and the other status quo folks act as it the reassignment policy -- which you insist on calling the diversity policy -- was handed down from on high and chiseled in stone. It is nothing more than a convoluted bureaucratic quagmire foisted upon students and families in Wake County and causes often tremendous sacrifice…yet never addresses the root cause of an unchanging achievement gap.

Community schools work throughout our nation and they can work in Wake County. Strong schools need strong community support. The current Wake County reassignment policy and forced year-round schools tear communities apart. We need school board members who understand that and that will truly work in the best interest of our students and families.

She should be touting

having Perry and Stan in her corner, that should help the opposition greatly!
Especially when they announce their "diversity" bake sale and 3 for 1 sale that comes with free "just like Bev, it's all about the status quo and change, bah, who needs that" badges!

G8, Neither Stan nor I

G8,

Neither Stan nor I are on the ballot this year.   Although I haven't been retained yet by Lois, I do support her.  She has been a concerned and respected member of Cary's community for nearly 30 years.  I guess Status Quo = no 'diversity'.

Before you celebrate too much, I would note that the candidates I have supported (including Stan) have tended to win more than not.  That said, I matter not.  It is the candidate that wins, and the candidate that people should pay attention too.  As James Carvelle said quoting Bum Phillips, "We would have won with their coaches, and they would have lost with ours, it is the candidate that matters."

Respectfully,

Perry

 

More of the same? No thanks.

Lois may be a fine person, but what does she bring to the school board that we do not already have? More of the same is not what is needed. Currently our "coaches" are losing. We need to bring in some winners; people who care about success rather than political dogma.

WSCA is an organization that bridges political differences and is intent on supporting candidates that offer solutions that address all students and parents in Wake County. 

More of the same? No thanks.

Lois may be a fine person, but what does Lois bring to the school board that we do not already have? More of the same is not what is needed. Currently our "coaches" are losing. We need to bring in some winners; people who care about success rather than political dogma.

WSCA is an organization that bridges political differences and is intent on supporting candidates that offer solutions that address all students and parents in Wake County. 

Maybe not as much yours,

but having the endorsement of Stan Norwalk, I'll stop there this morning, is the ringing bell of the same ole tired, worn out, out of touch policies that have brought us to where we are!

Status Quo = Stan Norwalk types who can't see through their foggy forest to find a better, or even different, solution!

I have all the diversity I need when I step out of my front door in Wake County, I don't need my schools ran by that criteria, as it has been done and gotten away with here for years, I need my educators worrying about education and not how much money someone makes or the reality, what their favorite flavor is! 

WOW Joe !!!

Joe We agree Again. Parents are the KEY to Success! Yes some Kids make it with NO family support. But the odds have to be against them.

Yes I had Great Teachers in School, But I had the Best Parents at home helping me with hours of homework, projects and extra credit stuff.

the Key is that WCPSS can do

the Key is that WCPSS can do something about teachers but has no control over parenting skills.  Many EDs have lousy parents and no candidate is going to change that.  So, God bless all those great parents but what do we do for the kids whose parents have failed them?  Plan B, give them a great teacher to compensate.

"WCPSS can do something

"WCPSS can do something about teachers but has no control over parenting"

Is that the premise for the diversity busing policy?  All parents have some level of involvement in their children's education.  The least-involved parents put their kids on the bus and wash their hands.  The most-involved parents spend time with their children and augment what their children learn in school.

There are programs which have proved that those less-involved parents can play a more active role in their children's education, given the right circumstances (one of which is not busing their kid 15 miles away).

And not every F&R student has "lousy" parents, as you call them.

But WCPSS make their own value judgements about whether these parents are fit to support the education of their children or not every time they do a reassignment plan.  Put yourself in the position of a F&R parent (and yes, I do know some) who is told that WCPSS believes it is in the best interests of their child to bus them an hour each way to a school across town.  Would you feel the school system had exceeded their authority?

Not True

It is not true that school systems have no control over parental involvement. There are examples throughout the country where schools have reengaged communities, parents, and mentors in support of their efforts. Unfortunately, the powers that be in Wake County do not embrace community schools and make no effort to promote and encourage parental involvement. In fact, the current school board is notorious for not listening to parents, often ignoring their pleas.

When communites are involved in their schools, success can be sustained. If each child's success depends on whether or not they win the "great teacher" lottery, success is conditional. That is not what we need in Wake County. We deserve a system where there is a plan for every student to succeed.

Well, OK...

So, Wake should hire more good teachers and, presumably, can those who aren't so good.   But, the district is going to have to offer some serious incentives to lure the good teachers away from their current jobs.  After all,you don't know who the good ones are until they've worked for a while.

In any case, I'm not convinced that good teachers can generally make up for bad home situations.

Some are lousy and always will be,

some are lousy because they are missing parenting skills (remember some became parents before they became adults) but can improve (needs a community program, some already exist), and some are already good but can't fully participate and set an example due to distance factors (have personally heard of that situation).

We should also remember that not all NED parents are stellar either.

"Many EDs have lousy

"Many EDs have lousy parents and no candidate is going to change that"

You need to rethink your definition of ED.  Many public servants like fireman, police and even teachers qualify for F&R.  And for the students whose parents are not the best at supporting their education, WCPSS' answer is to bus those kids well away from home, thus eliminating any chance for their parents to get involved.

Oh my, is this it?

With all the build up, I expected Lois Nixon to have something to offer...like, for starters, a clue. She apparently is not aware that the Wake County school system is only an excellent system for some. If you are economically disadvantaged, a loser in the magnet school lottery, one of thousands to be bused across the county to attend school, or a black male, you might find it less than excellent. We do not need a candidate as clueless as Lois Nixon. God help us if she gains any traction.

What community leadership award has she won? That detail seems to be missing.

Which other County are you looking to send your kids too?

Designman, If WCPSS is sooo Bad, which surrounding school system would you be willing to send your kids too. Durham?, Johnston, Harnett, Lee, Franklin?. I didn't think so. Our schools are always in need of improvement, but before you through the baby out with the bathwater, you may wish to examine why you moved here in the first place, and before you call someone who has been involved in our community as much as Lois has out as clueless, you may wish to look in a mirror.

Why so defensive?

WhalerCane,

Why so defensive of Ms. Nixon and Wake County schools? Anyone remotely familiar with the issues would acknowledge that there are clear deficits in the Wake County school system and would not claim that we have an "excellent" system as Ms. Nixon does.

We don't need yet another status quo candidate who is more willing to tell a happy tale than address the real and important issues we face in Wake County. Graduation rates within some minority and disadvantaged population is pitiful and not reflective of an "excellent" school system.There are systemic problems with the way some of the challenges in Wake County are handled. For instance, the overwhelming faith from the status quo crowd in the magic bus ride to success is beyond ridiculous, yet it is something Ms. Nixon seems intent on continuing. That is cluless. We need a leader, not another blind follower of failed policies.

Ms. Nixon may be an expert in environmental matters, but she is clueless in her position on education and the challenges we face in Wake County. If she is impressed with the status quo and wants to continue more of the same, she is not the person we need sitting on the school board. We need someone with a broad educational perspective and an open mind.Based on Nixon's own press release, she is not that person.

Perry, You hit on an

Perry,

You hit on an important point.  Our group believes that we should NOT be comparing ourselves against surrounding counties in NC.  Our kids will compete on a national level, and we should be comparing ourselves to the rest of the country (it is no secret that NC schools rank below national average).

Of course there are some things that WCPSS does well.  But we will never have the school system we deserve until we start setting the bar higher.

Joe, I do not disagree

Joe,

I do not disagree with your point entirely, except we do need some apples to apples comparisons, and compared to the rest of the State, and even most of the rest of the nation, WCPSS has done a pretty good job with less resorces.  The point I made is relevent.  How many in your group would take their kids to schools in any adjacent county?  For example, my friends in Brier Creek who are upset that they have been re-assigned to Broughton.  I understand and feel for them, but how many would send their kids to a closer 'Neighborhood school' just across the county line in Durham County rather than Broughton?

How about we compare our urban-suburban school district to places like Baltimore, Atlanta, Detroit, Syracuse.  When you throw in how much we spend per pupil, we compare quite well.  I would note that your group has compared WCPSS to Charlotte and Greensboro or cited the KIPP school in Gaston, (I do believe we should try a pilot with this approach).

We should innovate and try other things, but the constant bashing of WCPSS or anyone who indicates some level of support for them is tiresome.  The name calling and questioning of motives of current BoE members is unseemly.  The implication that their interests is to protect a 'system' and not the 'children' is just flat false. A couple of BoE members probaly could use lessons on social skills, but sometimes being a pinata will shoten ones fuse.  The ones I know are concientous public servants.  Anne McLaurin may be the most selfless person I have ever met.  Seeing Lois Nixo called, "clueless" did get my blood up because I know how committed she has been to our community for nearly 30 years.

There frankly is much we agree on.  One thing we do not is the elimination of the goal of no school with more than 40% FNR kids, AKA the 'Diversity' policy.  You have called it a sacred cow.  To me, it is.  If we eleminate it, we will have economic resegreation, some really good schools, and some schools that become holding pens for the poor.  Property Values in less affulent areas will go down, and we will become enclaved with municipalities competing more with each other.  Not to mention it WILL cost more money.  Then there is the long term social costs of housing kids in poor schools that teachers leave even with incentives (See Mecklenberg.) Keeping this policy is good for all our kids, even the affluent ones.

If you really want to improve our schools compared to the rest of the nation, than join me in focusing on funding issues, not the elimination of the 'diversity' policy.  For example, impact fees or other funding mechanisms for school construction that has growth helping with the costs, so more of our property tax dollars can go into instruction in the classroom.

How about more affordable housing spread through out the county? Transit?  Where is WSCA on those issues?  Perhaps innovative solutions to the frustrations many are feeling can be found there?

If you look at history, Wake's decsion to consolidate in '76 when Durham did not, had a lot to do with Wake County's success these past 30 years.  Leaders like the late Sen. Vernon Malone worked tirelessly to make Wake County a place where so many of us have chossen to live.  We should not rush to dismantle his life's work.  Let's work to improve, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Respectfully,

Perry

Perry,My problem with the

Perry,My problem with the 40% FNR policy is that, frankly, its about the least innovating and laziest approach the BoE could take to solve the issue.  In addition, by taking that lazy approach, it causes all sorts of unintended consequences such as instability and the destruction of local community support.  Stability and and community support are two factors that (in my opinion) are a least as important to good schools as economic diversity.  I believe that there are far more innovative solutions out there for dealing with higher FNR populations. First, start with a logical assignment policy based on communities, not neighborhoods.  Sure, there will be some communities that have higher FNR than others but very few large discrepancies.  There may be a few schools with very high FNR populations.  These schools are where you implement you creative and innovative solutions such as KIPP, charters, etc.  There are tons of great, high performing schools across this country with large FNR populations.  Study those schools and try to replicate them.  The 40% FNR policy is a cop out.  Simply put.  Bussing is not a solution. It’s akin to sweeping it under the rug.  The data showing that the diversity policy is a failure is overwhelming.  How could it be working, we’re bussing does not address the real issues with these kids, its changes then name of their school. Respectfully,

Todd Shearer

 

Todd, I hear you, and I

Todd, I hear you, and I support looking at models in other areas, but the truth is that they are the exception more than the rule, and regardless, I do not accept that an effort to have every school have economic diversity within it is a bad idea. I have seen data saying it doesn't matter, but plenty of data to support the notion that once your reach 70% FNR, it is very, very difficult to maintian a functioning school. Thanks again for your thoughtful non name calling reply. Respectfully, Perry

Once you reach 70% F&R

If there is plenty of data to support the notion that once you reach 70% F&R, why is the WCPSS policy goal stated percent 40% F&R? That is one of the items that has puzzled me about the WCPSS policy, especially personally having gotten a really good education in a >40% F&R district (out of state), including an ES that I'd estimate was 60-70% F&R.

BTW - the critical thinking skills I learned as part of the innovative program used in my 60-70% F&R ES lead me to question 1) why someone would think Wake County and Detroit school systems are remotely comparable when their respective community income and education level demographics are so different and 2) why someone would think that a student bussing distance analysis showing 86% are within five miles based on "as the crow flies" distances has any merit, especially considering WCPSS's own transportation department newsletter lists the average one-way mileage traveled by students as 16.5 miles.

Regarding Dr. McLaurin, I do not doubt she is selfless and when she brought up in a BOE meeting that she thought a guiding principle was not to assign high needs students to high needs schools I thought her question made sense in light of the policy. At that point, Ms. Head snapped (sorry, but to me that's how it came across) that was not the case. (That btw was one point where I got even more confused on what the point of the diversity policy was supposed to be). When Ms. Gill asked if Dr. McLaurin wanted to make an unfriendly motion on the matter, she said she would never want to make an unfriendly motion. I do not mean offense to Dr. McLaurin, but I think we need BOE members who have the courage to stand up for what they believe is right even if it means making an unfriendly motion on occasion. Then there's her husband's position. I believe in the concept of being independent in fact and appearance (i.e. even if there is only the appearance of a conflict of interest, it's a no, no), so I struggle with that issue in her case. She does strike me as a nice person though.

 

Surprise

I could vote for that honest pragmatic approach with the only caveat that I would not measure "diversity" success or failure solely by test scores alone.  I don’t think people quantify the results of ending segregated schools by the resulting test scores alone if at all.

Well, ok...

I'm not a huge fan of using test scores as a measurement, largely because doing so creates perverse incentives.  But, I'm not aware of any other objective and relatively simply way of mesuring how schools are doing. 

Now, the school district does have an alternate approach, called "healthy schools," but it's not objective.  There is no way to tell if your school is healthier this year than it was last year.  And, it seems to include things (such as teacher job satisfaction and parental involvement) that don't directly relate to how well students are learning.

This was one of Bush's defenses of NCLB -- teachers unions, especially, were especially upset about the focus on tests.  But, because they were never able to show a better way to measure, NCLB focuses on test scores.

Then how do we judge the

Then how do we judge the efforts we make to improve the outcomes of the at-risk population?  I refuse to believe that our only option is to do what sounds right and not validate the results.

What I find sad is that the

What I find sad is that the 10 people steering WSCA could be so much more.  First, to get out the “angry” vote, they need to tear down the existing (Status Quo) people and system.  They need to say how bad things are, how many failures there have been, and how bad the elective officials are (often calling into question there integrity and motives).   Personally, this line of argument does not work for me … I am an optimist at heart and appreciate all the effort elective official dedicate to making things better.  Plus, WCPSS has not been a terrible experience for me, my neighbors, or my coworkers.  So, I am guessing it must be excruciating for some people to be so angry all the time.  I feel for them and would like the School System to help alleviate their pain.   What is sad is that the “slash and burn” criticism of the school system won’t be reversed or repaired overnight after the election and will drag down the system for years.  That will be WSCA legacy.

 

My pain is having grown up in places like Atlanta where racial segregation was institutionalized and how painful, unproductive, and sad that situation was as people moved from street to street to avoid Black families.  I see that same unproductive movement occurring here as people move street to street to get in one school over another which should not be occurring if the schools are equivalent.   I also feel sad for the WSCA folks since they seem sincere but much of their reform seems to center on eliminating the diversity policy.  Put aside YR and Calendaring which are good issues and not controversial to me - diversity is the key issue.  What is even sadder for me is when what I think are wealthy Western Wake White bloggers lament about the long bus rides, parental involvement, and AA graduation rates which I cannot believe they really know anything about.  It would be so much more powerful if the people actually affected where making those points like the MYR do.  I would like to see an ED parent come forward saying “the 16 mile trip for my son to Green Hope HS is too much.  I know his grades are great, he is able to take advantage of advance classes and is on his way to college but between the bus trip and my desire to attend PTA meeting I really want him to come back in Garner HS.”  Ditto the fact that many of the people wanting to eliminate the diversity policy and go to neighborhood school (and the hidden agenda “community schools”) will personally benefit by securing exclusive access to the “good” school which will pump up their property values which again seems evil.  Maybe some of there people don’t understand the consequences of their actions.  And when the argument is made by the Green Hope parents (as an example) it seems insincere on the surface and maybe condescending.  I wish we could agree diversity is good, a diversity policy is good and the question is how to we improve it not eliminate it.  There are many, many people who do not want to return to a segregated society whether by race, ethnicity or income.

Missing the point

"I would like to see an ED parent come forward saying “the 16 mile trip for my son to Green Hope HS is too much.  I
know his grades are great, he is able to take advantage of advance
classes and is on his way to college but between the bus trip and my
desire to attend PTA meeting I really want him to come back in Garner
HS.”"

 We'd all love to see ED parents with that level of involvement and commitment, wouldn't we?  Unfortunately, while it does happen, it is rare.

 

"I wish we could agree diversity is good, a diversity policy is good and the question is how to we improve it not eliminate it.  There are many, many people who do not want to return to a segregated society whether by race, ethnicity or income."

Here is the problem.  I don't live in a segregated community.  My neighbors are Black, Asian, Hispanic and white.  Give me a community school and you won't have segregation.

Diversity is good but it is not to trump educational outcomes.  Schools are for learning.  My issue with the diversity policy is that it is championed without educational results to validate its impact on the school's primary mission.

"My neighbors are Black,

"My neighbors are Black, Asian, Hispanic and white." 

I think we are past racial diversity.  That was solved / addressed long ago.  While we still have employment discrimination and issues like “Driving While Black” people recognize them and work to correct them.  The issue now is income diversity.  You probably assume that every school is like the one your kids attend.  A school's quality is often dependant on the student’s family income mix.  The poorer a school’s students the fewer the advanced classes and many times experienced teachers.  It is very subtle but you would notice it if your kids attended a High Needs school.

 

You probably assume that

You probably assume that every school is like the one your kids attend.

Wrong.  I taught in a high needs school.  Use that broad brush to paint walls, not me.

The issue now is income diversity.

Why is that an issue?  You answered it yourself. A school's quality is often dependant on the student’s family income mix.  The diversity program avoids the problem.  Hey, I am all for the easy way out, but sometimes it doesn't work.  We need other solutions too.  No more "my way or the highway".

Time for your "other" solutions

As has been discussed before, "build it and they will come" .... take one of the >50% F&R schools and make it high performance and one NED parents are fighting to get in ... expand the program to all High Needs schools  ... phase out diversity policy ... once a pilot proves something better ... everyone will support a change ... (note KIPP which requires intense parent involvement probably is not a system wide solution since if parents were that involved in their public school there would be no need for KIPP in the first place).

Perry, WSCA has cited

Perry,

WSCA has cited examples in Guilford and Gaston county.  Honestly, they were not cited as benchmarks of academic achievement, they were cited as examples of innovation which can be achieved when a school system is willing to look beyond the status-quo.  I think we should be setting our sights to compete on a national level.  If we need to invest more in our schools to get there, we will never encourage that investment as long as we continue to compare ourselves to a lower standard.

You are right in that a lot of parents would not take their students to an adjacent county, maybe with the exception of Chapel Hill / Carrboro with seem to deliver good results in a stable environment.  Instead, what parents are doing is taking their children out of the public school system completely.  18% of Wake County students are educated outside the public school system, twice the national average.

I am not one to say that everything in WCPSS is bad.  There are some good schools and some great teachers.  But I just cannot agree that WCPSS has been a "success."  When an African-American man stands a 50% chance of graduation high school, that is a huge problem.  When parents are bailing out at 2X the national average, that is also a huge problem.

No one is saying to throw out the baby with the bathwater.  But, to me, the "baby" is the dedicated teachers we have that do a difficult job every day, not some percentage.

And I do not buy into any notions that "all school board members are evil."  I believe the majority of board members got into this based on a desire to help children (others used it as a political career stepping stone).  But, somewhere along the way, these good people got isolated from the citizens they were elected to serve.  The bad decisions they have made I attribute to that isolation, not evil intentions.  They stopped listening to citizenss and started listen way too much to staff.  And FWIW, I do belive there are a few board members who don't have a lot of love for Cary (just one proof point was the $1.4M Cary was blackmailed for over PCHS impact fees.

This is not just a discussion on the diversity policy.  In my opinion, MYR has been a disaster and is responsible for at least as much parental angst as any other issue.  MYR has been a failure here, just like it was a failure in hundreds of other school districts.  We will never realize the promised enrollment gains, the profile of opt-outs show that MYR places undue burden on ED families, and we see all families fractured when they are forced to have kids on different schedules.

From a personal (read: speaking for myself only) standpoint, I am not a personal who agonizes over every tax dollar I pay.  And I am a supporter of growth paying for itself.  I do see waste in WCPSS (ie. what they spend on PR, busing and an overloaded administration).  If they eliminated that waste, would they have the funding to compete on a national level?  I don't know, but none of us ever will until they get rid of the waste and raise the bar to where it should be.

Joe, Thank you for your

Joe,

Thank you for your thoughtful and measured reply.  It is time consuming to keep up with everyone, so I will be unable to do so, but I appreciate everyone's concern and interest.

Let me agree with you that anything I write are my opinions, and not representative of anyone I may work with. 

On another note, although I have not been retained by Lois as of yet, I do know she would be willing to meet with you and WSCA even though you have apparently already endorsed Debra Goldman.  I am happy to try and set that up.

 A couple of other thoughts. 

Status quo seems to = support diversty policy.  Unfortunate.  I am open to change, and I do believe there can be validity to it is a 'lazy' option, but the fact remains to eliminate it will have the impacts I have described. I am willing to look beyond what we have currently for rational change.  It is important to remember WCPSS is much like an Aircraft Carrier, slow and difficult to move.

I tell every candidate I work with the most important part of leadership is listening.  That however does mean professional staff as well as citizens.

I also agree tha MYR is a disaster, but it is realty, and to do away with it will cost significant amounts of money.  I'm open to suggestions, but BoE didn't desire MYR, and most who have objected have been accomidated.  MYR came about because of an agreement between BoC and BoE to get last bond past by keeping it under $1 billion. 

Coble got elected and decided it was a juicy political issue.  BoE too busy trying to keep it's head above water governing to engage in raw politics.   All that said, many on your side have made it abundently clear this is about the diversity policy, and the N&O has been all too happy to ablige fueling that conflict. 

 There is certainly waste as in any beuracracy but that dog is way overplayed.  Should there be DPI?

 You point about high private school rate is well taken, but I do note that rate increased even higher in Mechlenburg after they adopted a 'neighborhood/community' schools approach.

Let me know if you would like to meet Lois.  You may find you agree on many things.

Respectfully,

Perry   

 

 

So many potholes

How much misinformation can you give in one post.  First you criticize everyone who even supports a little bit of the status quo.  They decide to look at a different way of grading which is 'trying something different' and immediately get slammed by everyone on here. 

As for your continued claims of the 'double the national average' in terms of being educated out of the public school system, you also fail to give the information that this average is in line with high income areas across the country and is actually a bit lower.  I gave you examples of five other high income areas in the country and their rates months ago. 18% is low compared to the rest.  So  I guess Wake is doing really well in that case.   Everytime you give this misinformation I willcall you on it Joe.

In general, the 50% is the same in a majority of systems in this country.  I'm not saying it's a good thing but don't point out Wake like it's all by itself in this struggle.

And finally your cliche "I'm going to throw MYR into the post because I always do".  MYR was never implemented in Wake County and you know that.  I'm not supporting it or indicating it was done correctly.  However, we will never know if it would have had any success and you know why.

Joe, you should really run for some political position because you have the spins and hald truths down like a science. 

blah, blah, blah.....

blah, blah, blah.....

...

"MYR was never implemented in Wake County and you know that."

 

Are you saying there are no families within Wake County that have been mandated to attend a YR calendar school?

 

 

Don't pretend

To not know what I am referencing Sideburns.  You and others know exactly what I am talking about.  Whether you hate it, love it, or are impartial to it, we can never assess it because it was never implemented as planned in Wake County.

..

Why so cryptic? Are you speaking of the lawsuit that allowed parents choice during the '06-07 & '08-09 school years? 

Now WCPSS is free to mandate YR assignments.  And is. The 09-12 reassignment plan is based on MYR assignments.  

 

Actually I don't know what you are talking about

How was the MYR program supposed to be implemented? I didn’t follow the original plans/process (in 2005-2006?) closely. However, my understanding was that WCPSS went around and assessed each school and determined that some were good candidates for YR conversion and others were not. They came up with the list of (22?) schools to convert, which was approved by the BOE, along with the plan that new schools would all be MYR (except I think it was determined that HSs could not work on a YR schedule). The 22 schools were converted and new schools are all MYR aren’t they? My understanding is that WCPSS expected the court ruling to be in its favor and made plans accordingly for this school year. Can someone elaborate on the differences between the 2009-10 school year plan as it relates to MYR and the original MYR plan or how MYR was supposed to be implemented?

Some Thoughts....

(1)  Comparing Wake County with places like Detroit and Baltimore is
approximately akin to comparing the level of violence in Durham with
that of Fallujah.  Neither is good, but I know which one I'd chose to
live in.

(2) I agree that funding to schools needs to be
increased.  However, I don't think that the current board (or those who
would continue its policies) has the correct priorities or the business
acumen to know how to spend such increased funding wisely.  You saw
this in the last bond referendum, which financed such things as a
refurbishment of the weight room at Enloe High School, or the
transportation scandal.

(3) Re: "affordable housing" and
transit.  (a) everybody admits that poor students are the hardest to
teach, so why do things to attract more of them to the county?  (b)
these are outside the purview of the school board, anyway.  

(4)
Re: Sen. Malone's "Life Work."  I have no sentimentality toward Sen.
Malone or his "Life Work."  Without being too callous, it's sometime
good that old people die, as old ideas and prejudices often die with
them.  If the "Diversity Policy" is the best solution, then it should
stay.  If not, it should go, regardless of how Sen. Malone would feel
about it.

 

Problems and Solutions

(1)  Comparing Wake County with places like Detroit and Baltimore is approximately akin to comparing the level of violence in Durham with that of Fallujah.  Neither is good, but I know which one I'd chose to live in.

(2) I agree that funding to schools needs to be increased.  However, I don't think that the current board (or those who would continue its policies) has the correct priorities or the business acumen to know how to spend such increased funding wisely.  You saw this in the last bond referendum, which financed such things as a refurbishment of the weight room at Enloe High School, or the transportation scandal.

(3) Re: "affordable housing" and transit.  (a) everybody admits that poor students are the hardest to teach, so why do things to attract more of them to the county?  (b) these are outside the purview of the school board, anyway.  

(4) Re: Sen. Malone's "Life Work."  I have no sentimentality toward Sen. Malone or his "Life Work."  Without being too callous, it's sometime good that old people die, as old ideas and prejudices often die with them.  If the "Diversity Policy" is the best solution, then it should stay.  If not, it should go, regardless of how Sen. Malone would feel about it.

 

Moo?

Perry,

"One thing we do not is the elimination of the goal of no school with more than
40% FNR kids, AKA the 'Diversity' policy.  You have called it a sacred cow.  To me, it is."

Unfortunately, that is the root of the problem.  Until there is evidence that it works to improve academic outcomes for all, it should not be a sacred cow.  The same applies to all policies.  We need to put academic performance first, not dogma.

The diversity program is PART of a solution, but at this point it has become THE solution.  Nothing can ever be beyond examination, beyond criticism and yes, even beyond elimination.

Wake's own research says that dispersal (aka diversity based assignment) reduces achievement for middle school ESL students.  The correlation between ESL and F&R is quite high.   Should we enfore diversity even when it hurts learning?

not Joe, but

quit comparing WCPSS to urban-suburban school district places like Baltimore, Atlanta, Detroit, Syracuse, there is NO comparisions appropriate to those areas.....NONE.

Char/Meck is the closest comparision that's why it is used.  and the hope is NOT for segregated schools (tired old poltical ploy) but for INVOLVED neighborhoods/parents which WCPSS does not allow for now with reassignments at whim.

Which other County are you looking to send your kids too?

Designman, If WCPSS is sooo Bad, which surrounding school system would you be willing to send your kids too. Durham?, Johnston, Harnett, Lee, Franklin?. I didn't think so. Our schools are always in need of improvement, but before you through the baby out with the bathwater, you may wish to examine why you moved here in the first place, and before you call someone who has been involved in our community as much as Lois has out as clueless, you may wish to look in a mirror.

"Experts agree that the most

"Experts agree that the most important predictor of student success is an outstanding teacher."

Must be different experts than I've read about, the ones who say parental involvement and support are the best predictors of student success.

The press release reads like something that Wake Ed Partnership would put out. Hopefully we will see a clearer position statement regarding MYR and neighborhood schools.

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T. Keung Hui covers Wake schools.
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