There's now a plan on the table for Wake County schools to still have time for professional learning teams for the 2010-11 school year.
Staff laid out at Tuesday's student achievement committee meeting a list of options that individual schools can pick from to hold the time once Wake Wednesdays/Wacky Wednesdays come to an end next month.
The full school board could sign off on the options Tuesday.
It's possible that some schools might not be able to meet for an hour a week or even weekly this fall. The board may have to amend the policy requiring meeting an hour a week.
High schools would have four possible options.
In option one, high schools could choose to start school a half hour later one day a week. With teachers already contractually required to come in 30 minutes before students arrive, they'd use that time plus the late start for the PLTs.
This option was used at a few high schools before this year. Buses still arrived at the regular time so administrators watched the kids until classes started.
In option two, high schools could have SMART Lunch in which the entire school is slotted to have lunch during a one-hour window. During that window, students can go off campus for lunch or stay on campus to eat and to use the remaining time to work with a teacher.
During the SMART Lunch, time would be slotted for different groups of teachers to hold their PLTs. You couldn't have all teachers meeting at the same time because some would need to be meeting with students.
In option three, teachers could meet before school or afterschool for the PLT time. The tricky thing is that teachers aren't required to come in more than 30 minutes early so you can't mandate they come in any earlier. Teachers can be required to stay after class for as long as needed if it's mandated as part of their instructional duties.
In option four, teachers could meet during common planning times during the school day. Teachers would basically give up their daily 90-minute planning period for one day a week to be in the PLT.
Middle schools would have two options.
In option one, teachers could use common planning periods.
In option two, teachers could meet after the end of the school day.
Elementary schools would have two options.
In option one, schools could create blocks of time, such as scheduling specials together, at the beginning or end of the day. Teachers could combine that time with a slot before classes began or right after they ended to meet in a PLT.
In option two, schools could hold PLTs before or afterschool.
School board member John Tedesco argued that they're giving schools more flexibility without inconveniencing families as had happened this year on Wednesdays with the weekly early dismissals.
Tedesco also argued they're saving money. He said it would have cost another $750,000 to operate even more buses this fall to continue to accommodate the extra 10 minutes a day that had been built in this year to offset the time lost on Wednesdays.
But Jennifer Lanane, president of Wake NCAE, said all they're doing is recommending the options that had been used by schools before this year. She said not all schools had met regularly before this year and fears that will be the case again this fall.
Lanane argued that if the new board majority had backed the PLTs from the start that they could have found the $750,000 to keep the banked time and continue to dismiss school early once a week. She said she would have been willing to accept having teachers meet each Friday, a position she initially opposed.
Click here for the handout from Tuesday's committee meeting, It lists the pros and cons for each option.

Comments
IMO, if something is this
Sat, 05/15/2010 - 07:59 — aquaman4life68IMO, if something is this complicated, with so many problems and conerns, and is up to debate all the time....is it really worth it. I haven't heard many positive things from any teachers I have talked with about PLC's...I think they should scrap the whole thing, and let the teachers do what they do best...and that is TO TEACH. Enough of the manditory weekly meetings, discussing things over and over and basically beating a dead horse. I would love to know simply would teachers say "NO" do not do away with PLC's or "YES" we don't want PLC's anymore. I'd simply love to know the honest truth about the teachers. If the majority say YES..then do away with it and it majority say NO...then keep doing it.
So, basically, you want to
Sat, 05/15/2010 - 08:28 — danofncSo, basically, you want to survey teachers and if the majority says PLTs are a good thing we continue with the current schedule. Is that what you're saying?
I bet staff would take that offer in a heartbeat.
You should talk to some of the principals from the schools that were the test cases for PLTs.
basically
Sat, 05/15/2010 - 09:21 — g88ky07they can do what ever they need to as long as it doesn't cause parents to have to leave jobs in mid-afternoon in the middle of the week EVERY SINGLE WEEK! This has been the dumbest thing since MYR!
It's one hour. Everything
Sat, 05/15/2010 - 09:35 — danofncIt's one hour. Everything happens ONE HOUR earlier.
Edit to add: You can't expect a school system to cater to parents' every whim AND also complain about results, especially if convenience is placed ahead of achievement.
But isn't this a fight
Sat, 05/15/2010 - 16:42 — user12345But isn't this a fight between teachers who want to meet for training to improve education and parents who want convenience and lower child care cost? I am not sure how we would balance what teacher want in a survey (better education, best practices, working together) with what parents want (convenience). I am afraid a teacher survey would end up like the Leesville survey where the BOE had to ignore it.
Do we know who recommended each option ?
Fri, 05/14/2010 - 19:15 — Solon77I had to consult my wife on these options as she has spent the last 8 years in Elementary and High Schools, as I read the options the eyes were rolling back in the head - at the end she asked if anyone who proposed these have ever been in a school. The options are beyond absurd.
Delay start time - I am sure this is not convenient for some parents and when is this time expected to be made up ?
SMART lunch - the schools are already at capacity with a staggered schedule as it is. Having all at the same time - good luck with that one.
Giving up planning time - good luck in scheduling classes so that blocks of teachers that do need to meet can at the same time
Specials - specials are staggered during the day to minimize the number of teachers. Having the specials at the same time throughout the school would require many more teachers and they would only work a couple of hours a day.
The Wake Wednesday option was researched by the old board for over two years. Frankly I do not have a problem with it. My kids make good use of the extra hour mid week to get caught up on homework or to decompress for Thursday and Friday.
SMART lunch
Sat, 05/15/2010 - 22:12 — thewomacksSeveral (I know at least 5) high schools in Raleigh currently have SMART lunch. All students go to lunch at the same time. Teachers do have about 30 minutes for planning with others in their department once a week. The problem with that being their official PLT time is that 30 minutes just isn't long enough. If you want more information on SMART lunch off this thread, let me know.
It will be interesting to see if EOC scores are up this year after Wake Wednesdays. If I remember correctly we showed some increase of scores after the 1st semester. Not that student achievement will matter in this instance since the new board has already refused to continue this practice. SMH (shaking my head)
According to the report, the
Sat, 05/15/2010 - 06:53 — woodstockAccording to the report, the so-called "absurd" options were developed by WCPSS staff -- i.e., professional educators. Are you suggesting that WCPSS central office staff is incompetent and that there is some dead weight there that can be cut to help out with the budget crisis?
From the report: "Staff laid out at Tuesday's student achievement committee meeting a list of options that individual schools can pick from to hold the time once Wake Wednesdays/Wacky Wednesdays come to an end next month."
WCPSS Staff as incompetent - not at all
Sat, 05/15/2010 - 13:08 — Solon77So when the staff realizes how absurd the old process was and tries to break the status quo and propose something that will advance achievement (Wake Wednesdays) they lose out to a few parents who find it inconvenient. When it comes to achievement, JT is advocating for the old status quo, defending it as 'flexibility" and essentially saying to the administration and teachers - Priority is to parental convenience, if you want to improve achievement do whatever you want as long as it doesn't inconvenience the parents. The administration is basically leaving it up to the board to decide.
Is the value of the PLTs
Sat, 05/15/2010 - 21:13 — woodstockIs the value of the PLTs lost when the time is moved from Wednesday afternoons to another time? Please explain.
The Wednesday schedule was ill-conceived and ridiculous according to most most rational individuals. If students were involved in any after school activitiy -- band, sports, etc. -- they had to clear campus and go home only to return later to participate. Also, in many cases it created additional expenses for working families who had to pay for increase afterschool child care.
Some worked it out
Sat, 05/15/2010 - 23:13 — Dove314Some MS and HS managed to work out arrangements to avoid athletes having to leave and return but apparently others did not.
You or someone else
Sat, 05/15/2010 - 23:21 — woodstockYou or someone else mentioned this before, but when I asked which schools and what they did, no answers were forthcoming.
To tell you
Sun, 05/16/2010 - 08:20 — Dove314To tell you that would be to give you personal information about me. I've seen what you do with personal information. I'm not comfortable to share anything about me or my family with you. Check with HS principals or check in with WCPSS and do a survey if you want more details on the proportions who did and did not work it out.
That is an odd answer. What
Sun, 05/16/2010 - 09:29 — woodstockThat is an odd and paranoid answer. What are you talking about? I have no interest in your personal information. I asked about what schools are doing to deal with the Wacky Wednesday fisaco. That you have no answer does not surprise me in the slightest.
Why don't you
Sun, 05/16/2010 - 10:38 — Dove314Why don't you state the names of the schools you know of for certain who sent students home and asked them to come back for sports practice.
All of them. I do not know
Sun, 05/16/2010 - 10:42 — woodstockAll of them. I do not know of even one that accommodated afterschool activities.
Why don't you just admit you are lying and let's move on.
Nope
Sun, 05/16/2010 - 11:38 — Dove314I KNOW I'm NOT the liar in this exchange as I know of at least one based on having an athlete at a school. You're making assumptions and putting them out there as fact when you're wrong. The fact that you won't name a school or how you know they "ALL" sent kids home doesn't make me a liar. It makes you unwilling to do what you ask of others.
Tell you what -- I issue you a challenge. I'll call all the high school principals next week and you do the same. I wouldn't trust you to objectively report back and I'm sure you would say the same since you're so willing to call me a liar and I KNOW you're wrong from my personal experience. We'll get back together next week and compare notes. Do you accept the challenge? Otherwise, I'll know you're all about spewing rhetoric and hot air and no substance.
LOL A simple answer from you
Sun, 05/16/2010 - 12:16 — woodstockLOL A simple answer from you will suffice. You don't even have to mention the school, just tell me how it was handled. No big deal. I talked to several teachers and administrators over the past several months and asked specifically what was being done about the Wacky Wednesday and afterschool activity conflict. To a person, they had no resolution. I am genuinely interested in the details. Why did the administration at this myterious school keep quiet about a potential resolution. What is all the secrecy about. Very weird.
Daniels
Sun, 05/16/2010 - 15:49 — duvalOur kids went to the cafeteria and had a study hall. No big deal.
Oh yea
Sun, 05/16/2010 - 15:51 — duvalAnd it was not only the athletes but all of the clubs as well.
That is excellent. So all
Sun, 05/16/2010 - 17:02 — woodstockThat is excellent. So all the sports teams, band members, and clubs met in one giant study hall so the kids did not have to bused home only to return later to school. I wonder why all the schools did not do that? I also wonder why the teachers, administrators and NCAE did not promote these kinds of accommodations in an effort to salvage the Wednesday PLT time. Very odd.
Who surpervised the students?
Teaching assistants and non teaching personel
Sun, 05/16/2010 - 18:54 — duvalsuch as the office staff.
"I also wonder why
Sun, 05/16/2010 - 17:09 — danofnc"I also wonder why the teachers, administrators and NCAE did not promote
these kinds of accommodations in an effort to salvage the Wednesday PLT
time. Very odd."
I don't think anyone was given a chance to salvage Wake Wednesdays.
WW were ended at the first BoE meeting (Dec. 1, 2009, I think) when they were added to the agenda at the last minute during that chaotic opening session.
Since doing that, they have actually listened to stories about the benefits and successes of PLTs, which is what they should have done before blindly voting to end them.
What staff supervised the
Sun, 05/16/2010 - 18:04 — woodstockWhat staff supervised the students?
The kinds of accommodations
Sun, 05/16/2010 - 17:29 — woodstockThe kinds of accommodations you described should have been part of the plan to hold PLTs on Wednesday afternoons and they should have been instituted system-wide. The fact that they were not dramatically highlights the complete lack of planning and that went into the decision by the status quo.
Which school do you know for
Sun, 05/16/2010 - 17:40 — danofncWhich school do you know for sure didn't provide any accomodations for students who needed to be on campus for something.
I am finding this entire
Sun, 05/16/2010 - 17:57 — woodstockI am finding this entire discussion very odd. People claim to have knowledge of these wonderful common sense accommodations for Wacky Wednedays, yet no one person is willing to identify even one school that instituted these accommodations. I honestly know of none, but I don't know what is done county-wide.
I've asked this question repeatedly over the last couple months and all I get are cryptic and vague answers. Why is that?
I'm pretty sure you were
Sun, 05/16/2010 - 18:06 — danofncI'm pretty sure you were given Daniels Middle as an example.
I'm also pretty sure that you have not given any examples of schools that had no plans for students, even though you've been asked several times.
At some point, it would be nice if you'd stop dealing in generalities and hypotheticals.
Personally, I've only dealt with elementary school, where it isn't an issue.
Hey
Sun, 05/16/2010 - 18:03 — Dove314I offered to do a census of the schools with you and report back. Then we'd know, not just an anecdote here or there, but a census of all schools. Unless, of course, you are not after WCPSS related information after all?
Your paranoia continues. I
Sun, 05/16/2010 - 18:59 — woodstockYour paranoia continues. I am seeking information. Although I don't have time to "do a census," I'll take your word for what different schools are doing. I do not think a significant percentage of schools are doing things that accommodate afterschool activities. I know that some are not. What my real interest is, is why these accommodations were not part of the PLT plan in the beginning and why they were not instituted system-wide. It suggest a lack of planning and organization.
...
Sun, 05/16/2010 - 16:14 — SideburnsAre you saying that Daniels has made arrangements for some children to stay at school during the PLT time? (This thread is a little long and a lot snarky so I had a hard time following it.) If so, why is this not possible for all schools? Why all the hub-bub about releasing students early if it is possible for schools to accommodate this training time while students are still on campus? Honest question.
I don't know for sure, but I
Sun, 05/16/2010 - 16:53 — danofncI don't know for sure, but I suspect it's because it's easier to manage a few athletes and club members than it is to manage an entire student body.
Providing a study hall for students who have meetings or practice after school is one of the ways that WCPSS (or certain schools) has tried to make things easier on families while also trying to improve overall student performance.
Actually, I find it quite amazing that so many people who tired of the "status quo" school board are so critical of one of the most non-status quo things that they did.
Big difference
Sun, 05/16/2010 - 17:35 — Dove314Big difference between the total student body of a high school (n=2800 or so) than 200 student athletes who have the threat of being kicked off a sports team for misbehaving and know they still have practice with the coaches if the students are even annoying to the volunteers. Student athletes are there because they want to be.
FYI -- at the high school, the clubs were moved to other days besides Wednesday.
Huh?
Sun, 05/16/2010 - 12:35 — Dove314That is not actually what you asked -- you asked for the name of the school. As for how, a study hall was created in a room big enough for student athletes for a given time of year with volunteers watching over the kids while the teachers attended the PLT's, similar to the option proposed here for in the mornings. The athletes actually did homework from when school ended until practice started at their usual time. The athletes followed the behavoir rules or could be kicked off the team. It wasn't rocket science. As for the band, the band director elected to schedule band practice on other days since practice was typically 2 days pers week, not every day. Are you honestly saying that only one school managed this solution?
"Are you honestly saying
Sun, 05/16/2010 - 17:08 — woodstock"Are you honestly saying that only one school managed this solution?"
Yes, I am honestly saying that I talked to staff at several schools and not one accommodated the afterschool activities as you describe. If this concept was promoted better by the teachers, administrators and the NCAE and instituted system-wide it would have alleviated some of the concern, at least in my view, about Wacky Wednesdays.
Please list the schools
Sun, 05/16/2010 - 19:05 — magnetParentPlease list the schools you spoke to that said they did not have accomodations. Until you do, it is simply hearsay.
ETA: waiting...
Now you know
Sun, 05/16/2010 - 17:24 — Dove314Now you know of two schools -- mine is a high school -- where a solution was implemented successfully. What schools did you talk to?
I'm with Dan though -- the new BoE majority got sworn in and immediately ditched Wacky Wednesdays in December, less than 5 months in to a 10 month school calendar during the first year of the program. Perhaps if more time had been given, the ideas and options could have been better shared before it became a moot point. Why bother to implement solutions or share information about options when something is already a lame duck program anyway?
There you go WS. I would say
Sun, 05/16/2010 - 15:26 — zandeThere you go WS. I would say it is time to tenderize that crow that you will be eating.
There I go...what? She
Sun, 05/16/2010 - 17:23 — woodstockThere I go...what? She finally answered a simple question. You are one odd bird. LOL
You act like all those
Sat, 05/15/2010 - 22:55 — danofncYou act like all those activities start as soon as the bell rings.
There are 3 basketball teams at most high schools (JV, Varsity boys, varsity girls).....do you think they all practice at the same times?
As noted in the post, it was
Sat, 05/15/2010 - 07:18 — KeungHui (author)As noted in the post, it was staff that developed this list. It's basicaly all the ways schools did PLT before this year. It's not the way that staff would prefer to do it but it's what they've got to do now tht the weekly early dismissal option is off the table.
It must be frustrating for teachers
Fri, 05/14/2010 - 23:14 — Athey01because when I was reviewing the pros and cons of the various options, I realized that there is no real committment to making PLTs work effectively. It's a half hearted effort to say we doing something... sad.
Based on recent comments, I
Sat, 05/15/2010 - 06:57 — woodstockBased on recent comments, I am beginning to think teachers talk a good game, but that what they are really seeking are things that make their jobs easier and not necessarily to learn how to be more effective.
willing to share that thought?
Sun, 05/16/2010 - 09:43 — stepbystepWoodstock, have you shared that "insight" with your child(ren)'s teachers and principals? Why do you remain in public school if the whole system is a sham?
You have it backwards
Sat, 05/15/2010 - 13:20 — Solon77You have it backwards - it is the parents really looking for someone to make their life easier - dump it on the schools - specifically teachers. They have no regard for the dececy of showing up on time to pick their kid up from school - Oh I was busy. When their kid does not get the grade they think they should get - it is the teachers fault. My wife is a one on one for special ed and she is lucky to have lunch or go to the bathroom. Kids come to school dirty and unkept (guessing not ED by the house they live in). Teachers have to beg for basic supplies for the classroom and are constantly being told by the COMMUNITY they are inefficient and wasteful. God forbid they ask for support to try something new. If half the parents had working conditions such as this they would have changed jobs already.
If you are a teacher, I
Sat, 05/15/2010 - 21:16 — woodstockIf you are a teacher, I suggest a career change; it is not for everyone. Your attitude is appalling.
I disagree
Sat, 05/15/2010 - 22:05 — Dove314I disagree, but what's new. We rarely see eye to eye. I think teachers are as effective as they are, often in spite of parents, parental shenanigans, and a lot of other office-related political shenanigans. Your answer assumes parents are perfect angelic partners for a teacher. This blog shows that is far from the case.
No, I know parents can be a
Sat, 05/15/2010 - 22:17 — woodstockNo, I know parents can be a pain in the a$$, but dealing with them is an essential part of a teacher's job. Teachers must respect them and understand their motivations. No one ever said it was easy; it's not.
It's a two way street
Sat, 05/15/2010 - 22:44 — Dove314Parents should respect teachers also. Supporting their child's teacher is an essential role for a parent. After all, isn't parental involvement in the classroom working with (not against) the teacher one of the key aspects required for a successful community schools model?
Of course, there should be
Sat, 05/15/2010 - 22:59 — woodstockOf course, there should be respect all around. My original point was the poster's comments suggested that she resented parents and did not like kids all that much.