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WakeEd is maintained by The News & Observer's Wake schools reporter, T. Keung Hui. While Keung posts information and analysis on the issues, keep us posted on your suggestions, questions, tips and what you're doing to cope with the changes in Wake's schools.

Liberals and Communists on the Wake school diversity fight

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Words like "evil" and "fluke election" are being bandied about in a trio of items over the past few days by left-wing groups to describe the Wake County school board and the elimination of the diversity policy.

In a post today, the liberal N.C. Social Justice Project writes that "one of the few bright spots to emerge over the Wake County School Board disaster has been the cooperation of so many diverse and previously unrelated groups and individuals."

The group also calls Tuesday's letter by the Rev. William Barber, president of the state NAACP, and the Rev. Nancy Petty, senior pastor of Pullen Memorial Baptist Church, "a wonderful summary of what everyone is so deeply concerned about and why, deep down, it is so evil."

In a column Tuesday, Rob Schofield of the liberal N.C. Policy Watch writes about the "heavy-handed and tin-eared actions of a narrow school board majority elevated in a fluke election."

Schofield's column focuses on Monday's rally at Pullen Memorial and Barber's call for a mass demonstration in Raleigh on July 20. He repeatedly writes about the "positive energy" coming from groups fighting the elimination of the diversity policy.

"However unlikely its presence at the epicenter of this debate might have seemed a year or two ago, now that Wake County has been thrust into the center of the fight for social justice, let's hope progressive advocates continue to do things with the same level of passion and positive energy that has marked their work thus far," Schofield writes.

In an article today in People's World, the publication also reports on this week's Wake school actions. According to its web site, the People's World is the "direct descendant of the Daily Worker" and "we enjoy a special relationship with the Communist Party USA."

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Word is history repeats

Word is history repeats itself.  This issue has taken on a life of it's own and, in my opinion, like a boil, continues to fester and grow.  I'm waiting for the return of McCarthyism and/or the Salem witch hunts.

Isolate and demean

All is being done is to educate the public on motives, not to toss people in jail. The people can then decide what they want., it's called democracy.

Some put their heads in the sand

Those in this blog that ridicule this article are either ignorant of what is going on or part of the movement. I made the Communist Party connection a while back and was ridiculed also. Those that ridicule may be following the Rules for Radicals approach to responding to unpopular messengers. Mr. Hui is reporting an almost obvious link. Those who think this is silly are wearing rose colored glasses. Not everyone that supports the old policy are far left Progressive or Communist leaning, but anyone that does simple research on the most aggressive protesters will come to validate the ties.

The Wake County old model for the school diversity policy was very important to the Progressive/Communist movement in this country. We swatted a hornet's nest when we abandoned their model.

...A prospective from a retired military officer that studied the Communist movement for many years.

 I apologize if my post led

 I apologize if my post led you to believe that I was ridiculing the article.  That was not my intention. What was initially about educating students in the school system has caused so much of a frenzy that it is no longer about providing students with  quality education.

Dulaney

Heard Chuck Dulaney speak at a recent GSIW event. He was asked to clarify what was intended by Policy 6200. He carefully described the 'nice things' you get with a middle class school, like an active PTA, and that these 'nice things' need to be shared. He stated that high needs populations are black and F&R and they don't have time to participate in their children's education (one equals another equals another - the blunt labelling shocked me. Call me crazy, but isn't this in some way - um - racist?) He believes that 'they' need to be bused so that all schools can be 'the same'. He was careful to differentiate and say - not equal - the same.

That really bothered me. I don't know much about Communism or Socialism, but I can understand why some people think there is a link. 

Public schools are paid for with a 'pot' of money that does indeed need to be shared - no argument. That's for the betterment of society. The schools need to provide the opportunity for everyone to get a good education, of course. But its the aggressively possessive approach to aspects of schools that are there not because of the government but because of the people involved, and the intention to 'divy' that up - this is worrisome. There will always be those who would infringe on basic freedoms to try to achieve what they believe is a greater good. We need to solve the problem of achievement, but Policy 6200 has not been the way to do it. How about a greater focus on academics?

Oh my.

This is "reason,' Sir? Pastors who respond to Jesus' directives, and example, by calling for equality and social justice for underprivileged children, are Communists? This is an absurd allegation and unrelated to the issues at hand before the School Board. I wish you well.

On the religious angle

Our constitution or our government is not about social equality, only equality under the law. If God wanted all of us to be equal, he would of made us all the same. I think we were all given talents, it what you do with them that counts. I am not saying government has no role in helping those that NEED food, shelter, and urgent medical care. I do say it is not the role of government to make everyone comfortable. Even the churches don't do that.

Social justice is a Communist philosophy that does not work anywhere. Human nature will not allow it. Only in Communist countries there are those in power that are more equal than others. Even God (if you believe in Him), makes distinction between those worthy of heaven and those that are not.

In regards to several of

In regards to several of your recent posts, all I can say is that this forum is extremely enlightening - if for nothing else than to identify your writings as some of the most extremely crazy right-wing stuff that I've ever read.

Then

You don't read much or don't have an open mind. I am more mainstream than you. If I am as crazy as you say, I don't think our federal government would of trusted me with a Top Secret clearance with special access  for as many years as they did. I never hid my beliefs to anyone. There are many more like me.

What the heck.  At first I

What the heck. 

At first I didn't even see the stuff after your first sentence. 

Of course there are lots like you. 

Way too many bad and a few good movies have immortalized you.

One question, which is it, the government needs to do less, or I'm cool because they gave me top secret clearance?  

Oh, I get it. 

You've gone rogue

Can I have your autograph?

No? 

How about filling us in on your exploits?

Don't worry, I've made sure this is our very own secret private chat room.

"One question, which is it,

"One question, which is it, the government needs to do less, or I'm cool because they gave me top secret clearance?  

Oh, I get it. 

You've gone rogue. "

Criticalthinker: This is really hilarious! Keep pointing out the hypocrisy and inconsistency. This is good stuff!

National Security is the government's business

That is actually in the US Constitution ( "...provide for the common defense"). That is a poor argument and doesn't illustrate any hypocrisy at all.  One can argue we fought wars that we shouldn't have got involved in because it had nothing to do with us (Bosnia and Haiti comes to mind), that however is the role of civilian leadership to decide, not the military.

I am not rogue, I am retired and am free to speak my mind in public unlike when I was active duty. I never took an oath to support the elected government's views, only to defend the US Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Looks like I'm responding to

Looks like I'm responding to multiple posts again.

A loon is a bird.

But I get it.

Maybe we're both looney.

I'm sure many of the readers think so, as this is supposedly about education.

But with the title given, we knew this was coming.

As for being a radical, I seriously doubt you'd think so if you knew me.

That said, well yeah, I'm definitely left-wing.

As for questioning my duty to country, whatever.

This is the same "America, love it or leave it" crap I remember during our little debacle in Southeast Asia. 

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

And no, I don't think you've gone rogue.

It's a joke, son.

But that's my point.

You take yourself way too seriously.

Be careful that your jealous protection of the Constitution doesn't smother it.

Let's see.  You're wrong on

Let's see. 

You're wrong on your first point.

You're wrong on your second point.

I never claimed to be mainstream.

But then, do we really want to drag this out defining mainstream?

And to think I was worried you were going to call me a moderate.

At least I didn't stoop to your level

And start calling you a loon or a radical. You have the right to your opinion and last I heard I have the right to mine. The difference is, I pledged my life for this country, fought in three wars for it, and still am under sworn oath to protect it. I think  How about you?

Amen.

In the United States...

we have something called a "separation between Church and State."  Also, I can't imagine the "Jesus" ever implied anything to mean bussing children to schools outside of the neighborhoods.  And if we're talking about "Jesus," I'm fairly sure he would frown upon some families who do not take education and academics seriously - and equality would quite possibly mean all parents equally taking part in their child's education.

I was responding to the post

I was responding to the post that implied that the Revs. Barber & Petty are Communists.  I am not sure what in my post you are responding to (other than mentioning Jesus), but I respect your opinion. I wish you well.

What??????

I really do seek to avoid unkindness, but this headline makes no sense. It is inflammatory, and ... apologies for being unkind, but: Just Silly.

Mr. Hui, are we wrong to expect better from a professional journalist?

You knew that was coming Keung

Keung, you KNEW you would catch it from "them" over that headline.  Sure as night follows day.  :>)

Exactly why I commended you earlier. .... :>)

Beyond the pale.

So, I recognize that it's difficult to be associated with a braindead group that has such a checkered and unamerican past.   But, facts are facts -- they're on the same side. 

However, I understand your concerns -- if I were a communist, I'd also be mad about being associated with the Liberals.

Isn't the KKK a far-right

Isn't the KKK a far-right group?  Do you consider yourself "on the same side" as them?

Funny thing facts and all

Most members of the KKK were Democrats, not Republicans. I guess that means the Dems were conservative once. Actually the KKK has nothing to do with the liberal/conservative thing; it has to do more with bigotry and ignorance. The KKK mission is anti-conservative in nature. It does not promote equal treatment under the law. Nor is it liberal in nature.

So...

So, actually, I'm with woodstock on this one.  I don't think that's the same deal.  If you want the conservative extreme, you might end up with the Taliban or perhaps the Amish.  (At least along the social conservative route.)  Not sure about the fiscal conservatives.

Besides, ITS A JOKE. 

Right wing? Hmm maybe we

Right wing? Hmm... maybe we should ask Senator Byrd (D).

Not sure I will stick around, despite the invite

... if vitriol is the best you have to offer.

I signed up for this because I want to weigh in. Not encounter people who attack rather than discuss.

I could turn to many other media outlets for that experience, thanks just the same.

Toughen Up...

As Steven Covey wrote, "Seek first to understand, then to be understood."  You're new here and don't really know your way around, yet your first post is critical, then when somebody cracks a joke, you act like it's a personal slight.  If you're going to participate, it helps to have a thick skin.

  OK, but it is wholly

 

OK, but it is wholly unfunny to insinuate someone who disagrees with you is a Communist. Call me humorless if you must, but it is a cheap diversion and cuts off rational discussion.  And must I develop a thick skin to visit here? I'd rather not.

I am interested in this topic because what the School Board does directly affects my kids, and as a tenet of my faith, also is my concern because it affects all children in my community, especially those without basic advantages so many in Wake County enjoy.

I do appreciate your advice; thanks.

Oh...

Sorry, I wasn't trying to call you a communist -- didn't even see that until I just re-read my comment.  I was just making the quip about liberalism being so bad that not even communists want to be associated with it.

stay and you will hear other voices

Those who engage in personal attacks want you to leave.  The only voice they want heard, is their own.  Ignore their pettiness and stay focus on what you want to express to the rest of us.... we're listening.

Thanks - I appreciate your

Thanks - I appreciate your advice, and will take it.

buh bye

buh bye

ROFL, I am not worthy!

ROFL, I am not worthy!

Kinda like if you were a

Kinda like if you were a Nazi you would be mad about being associated with the Conservatives?

Hi there Mike Zande ....

Mike, maybe you can help me with this "Nazi" thing.  I can go to diametrically opposite websites and find the hardliners there calling "the other side" Nazis.

Is Nazi just a generic catch-all for "people you really really disagree with a lot"?  I'm a right-winger and you're a left-winger (hypothetically of course) and we both call each other "a Nazi" ..... what's with THAT?

Fascists seems to get the same generic application.

Now we have the Hate-the-school-board crowd "hating yankees".  I thought only southern rednecks with their confederate flags on their trucks "hated yankees".   Is that who the Hate-the-school board folks are?  Southern rednecks ???

This name-calling sure gets confusing.

You are right. I should have

You are right. I should have gone with fascist rather than Nazi. A Nazi is but one brand of fascist. I feel that fascist is to conservative as communist is to liberal. They are extremes on a spectrum. If you go far right you get fascist. Far left you get communism. This was kind of the point of this blog entry.

Consider some outtakes of  the wiki def of fascist:

Fascists seek to organize a nation on corporatist perspectives, values, and systems such as the political system and the economy.

Scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right of the conventional left-right political spectrum.

 Fascists reject and resist autonomy of cultural or ethnic groups who are not considered part of the fascists' nation and who refuse to assimilate or are unable to be assimilated.

Fascism is strongly opposed to core aspects of the Enlightenment and is an opponent of liberalism, Marxism, and mainstream socialism for being associated with failures that fascists claim are inherent in the Enlightenment.

So I made my point and I agree that the name calling gets silly.

Incorrect analogy

The conservative movement of today centers on the original intent of the US Constitution, not a Fascist view. The far right are of more the Libertarian view of politics. The conservative movement mainstream is more about limited FEDERAL government, not anarchy. The use of derogatory terms like Nazi, and Fascist to label right wing groups are a method of propaganda. Actually those movements are far more left wing than those views espoused by the conservative movement in this country. If you think larger government doesn't lead to subservience (AKA  Slavery), you are a fool.

You're joking, right?  What

You're joking, right? 

What conservative movement mainstream?  You may be the last pure conservative remaining (that is, if I take what you say on face value - which instinctively flashes bright lights and sets off loud sirens).  Who among your lost tribe is actually walking (let alone talking) the walk of fiscal responsibility?

No.  It's the Tea Party:  "We're angry.  Just give us time.  We'll find a reason."

Or the Social Conservatives:  "Make war, not love."     

Or the Libertarians:  "Me good, government bad."

And while we're discussing Libertarians, how exactly are you different from them, that is, if you're about limited federal government?  Oh, I get it.  It's a matter of degree. 

More like a slippery slope.

Okay.  While I'm on the topic of nuance - (look it up) - about those founding fathers you folks like to talk about (think Glenn Beck and diagrams) - I'm just guessing that they were just a bit to the left of your viewpoints. 

Take Thomas Jefferson.  Who claims him?  The left?  You know, that church and state thing.  The right?  State's rights.  The answer, of course, is both.  And they're both correct. 

What really kills me is all of these references to the founding fathers that come from the right.  Give me a break.  It's the usual.  "We're more American than you."  It's obnoxious.  And not to mention, seeing how we're doing these days, maybe it's not exactly a complement. 

If you're saying that government leads to subservience, I'm guessing your not a member of that politically endangered species you claim, but rather, one (or more) of the other three that I discussed. 

You folks wouldn't know history if it came out of the toilet and bit you on the butt.

Thanks for making me laugh

Thanks for making me laugh out loud. At least twice.

OK Then

What exactly does the left espouse that is American according to our founding or even our Constitution as it was written (not how the left has interpreted it)? This country was founded on limited federal government and equal treatment under the law.  Not equality of lifestyle or fortune. Maybe it is you that needs to read history. BTW- Make sure the history you read is based on facts with footnotes, not opinion.

So, basically, if some views

So, basically, if some views of Communists also overlap with views of some Democrats, then Democrats are Communists.

But, if some views of fascists overlap with some views of Republicans, Republicans are NOT fascists.

Got it.  That seems totally consistent.

Dan faulty argument

First off,  all Republicans are not conservative. In fact, that is the war that is being fought within the Republican party right now. There are plenty of progressives (albeit less ideological) within the Republican party, especially in the Senate. Bush was a moderate and had progressive leanings, like his dad. The last true conservative president was Reagan. And all Democrats are not Communists. Only it is those that lean that way are now in control of that party. The Democratic party leadership of today is a far cry from of the Democratic Party of JFK. IMHO, they are bent on destroying the very fabric that made this country great and held it together. Name me one place that progressive, socialist, or communism has worked. Hell, show me one successful city or state that has been under left wing Democratic leadership.

Dan, Will you please list

Dan,

Will you please list the fascist view(s) that overlap(s) with conservative principals?

Just one would be fine.

 

"Will you please list the

"Will you please list the fascist view(s) that overlap(s) with conservative principals?"

From the "Encyclopedia of Marxism"

Right Wing: Fascists are fervently against: Marxism, Socialism, Anarchism, Communism, Environmentalism; etc – in essence, they are against the progressive left in total, including moderate lefts (social democrats, etc). Fascism is an extreme right wing ideology, though it can be opportunistic.

Nationalism: Fascism places a very strong emphasis on patriotism and nationalism. Criticism of the nation's main ideals, especially war, is lambasted as unpatriotic at best, and treason at worst. State propaganda consistently broadcasts threats of attack, while justifying pre-emptive war. Fascism invariably seeks to instill in its people the warrior mentality: to always be vigilant, wary of strangers and suspicious of foreigners.

Anti-equality: Fascism loathes the principles of economic equality and disdains equality between immigrant and citizen. Some forms of fascism extend the fight against equality into other areas: gender, sexual, minority or religious rights, for example.

From several other sources:

Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed

Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia.

Obsession with national security-Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

Wow...that's very

Wow...that's very interesting to see your liberal view of conservatism.  Let me help you by clarifying some things.

From the "Encyclopedia of Marxism"

Right Wing: Fascists are fervently against: Marxism, Socialism, Anarchism, Communism, Environmentalism; etc – in essence, they are against the progressive left in total, including moderate lefts (social democrats, etc). Fascism is an extreme right wing ideology, though it can be opportunistic.

- Having a common enemy does not mean you share a common viewpoint.

Nationalism: Fascism places a very strong emphasis on patriotism and nationalism. Criticism of the nation's main ideals, especially war, is lambasted as unpatriotic at best, and treason at worst. State propaganda consistently broadcasts threats of attack, while justifying pre-emptive war. Fascism invariably seeks to instill in its people the warrior mentality: to always be vigilant, wary of strangers and suspicious of foreigners.

- Conservatives are patriots, but not blindly so.  Facist probably like they're mothers too.  That doesn't make liking you mother a bad thing.  War, however, is NOT a conservative value by any stretch of the imagination.  Supporting the troops IS a conservative value.  Conservatives do not like or promote war.  That's probably because, generally, its conservative sons and daughters who end up fighting wars for your liberal sons and daughters. 

Anti-equality: Fascism loathes the principles of economic equality and disdains equality between immigrant and citizen. Some forms of fascism extend the fight against equality into other areas: gender, sexual, minority or religious rights, for example.

One of the MOST IMPORTANT conservative values is that ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL.  There is NO conservative who believes that a legal immigrant should any less opportunity than a citizen.  There is also NO conservative who believes that anyone should be discriminated against based membership in any of the groups you listed.  In fact, conservatives don't believe people should even be categorized into groups.  The categorization of people is part of the liberal movement.   

From several other sources:

Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed

Conservatives are NOT against labor unions.  Conservatives are only against labor unions FORCING people to join their ranks at that goes against a true conservative value of personal liberty. 

Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia.

I'm as conservative as they come and carry the highest degree you can obtain from education.  Conservatives place a high value on education as that is the ticket to personal liberty and independence.  Conservatives are ONLY against the actions of certain members of academia who present their view points as fact in the classroom.  I would hope this would be a value liberals would also share. 

Obsession with national security-Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

Conservatives believe in LIMITED GOVERNMENT power.  The less government power the better.  True conservative values ALWAYS places personal liberty and independence OVER security and safety.  I think you are confusing former republicans with conservatism.  They are NOT the same thing.  I hope to be ridding the republican party of some of those individuals in the near future. 

From Wikipedia-

They (facists) claim that culture is created by collective national society and its state, that cultural ideas are what give individuals identity, and thus rejects individualism.

- the flat opposite of conservative and much closer to liberalism.

Italian facism and most other fascist movements promote a corporatist economy whereby, in theory, representatives of capital and labour interest groups work together within sectoral corporations to create both harmonious labour relations and maximization of production that would serve the national interest.

- Sounds a lot like what Obama is doing with GM and banking industry.

Dan, as a liberal, you are very ignorant of what true American conservatism is really about.  You should take some time and become more educated instead of relying on what your liberal friends tell you about conservatives. 

 

 

 

Where do I start? Having a

Where do I start?

Having a common enemy does not mean you share a common viewpoint.

You listed Environmentalism in your diatribe.  Have a nice vacation at the beach.

Supporting the troops IS a conservative value.

Says who?  So the rest of us just want the soldiers to sod off?  That's the usual dose of smug and odious.

Oh, and my father had his earlobe shot off near the Battle of the Bulge.  This was in that one war fought near any of our lifetimes where it was clearly the right thing to do.  This was back in the day when the Progressives were for the war, and the Conservatives were not.  Don't assume you've got the monopoly on patriotism.

One of the MOST IMPORTANT conservative values is that ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL.

Again, with the monopolies.  And I suppose you wrote the Constitution, as well?

The categorization of people is part of the liberal movement. 

Honestly, I really believe you've been reading far too many of your own press clippings.

Conservatives are NOT against labor unions.

Oh yeah, and all of the history books are wrong...

Conservatives place a high value on education as that is the ticket to personal liberty and independence. 

But love to fight those who would oppose them, who usually happen to be intellectuals.  The new school board now wants to hire non-educators.

True conservative values ALWAYS places personal liberty and independence OVER security and safety.

Sure sounds Libertarian to me.  And it explains why you'll support the blindest kind of military actions, but cringe at the thought of proper, law-enforcement based anti-terrorism.

This sounds much more like the world according to you than a political science lesson. 

We all explain the world according to us. 

Some of us, however, don't mind admitting it.

 

 

 

 

 

And we continue You listed

And we continue

You listed Environmentalism in your diatribe.  Have a nice vacation at the beach.

I didn't list Environmentalism......zande did.  Conservatives have nothing against the enviroment, in fact, they have a high level of respect for it.  Radical environmentalism is a different animals all together but no time to go down than path right now.

Supporting the troops IS a conservative value.

Says who?  So the rest of us just want the soldiers to sod off?  That's the usual dose of smug and odious.

- I didn't say conservatives are the only people who value supporting the troops.  Just because conservatives have a value doesn't mean someone else cannot share the same value.  Again, we all love and respect out mothers, right?

One of the MOST IMPORTANT conservative values is that ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL.

Again, with the monopolies.  And I suppose you wrote the Constitution, as well?

- Some remark.  I never said it was ONLY A CONSERVATIVE VALUE!

 

 

Oh yeah, and all of the history books are wrong...

- Many history books are wrong.  Conservatives are not against people forming labor unions, just forcing people to join them.  Do you have a problem with that?

Conservatives place a high value on education as that is the ticket to personal liberty and independence. 

But love to fight those who would oppose them, who usually happen to be intellectuals.  The new school board now wants to hire non-educators.

- Conservatives do fight for what they believe is right, no apologies here.  Also, intellectuals certainly don't have a monopoly (to use your term) on intelligence.  Conservatives simple believe that you don't have to have a PhD to have the best ideas or be the best choice to run something.

True conservative values ALWAYS places personal liberty and independence OVER security and safety.

Sure sounds Libertarian to me.  And it explains why you'll support the blindest kind of military actions, but cringe at the thought of proper, law-enforcement based anti-terrorism.

The way we fight terrorist is NOT a conservative value or idea.  That's a strategy.  You may find many conservatives who believe that terrorist are evil radicals who will stop at nothing to harm us and our way of life no matter how much we placate them and that law-enforcement alone is not enough to stop them, but that's not a conservative value or view point, just a strategy in how we handle terrorist.

These views are not libertarian but are true conservatism.  Many people just don't really understand the meaning of conservatism and have tried to define it like zande did based on what he hears on MSNBC or what Bush did (who was NOT a conservative but a moderate).   

 

When you're trying to

When you're trying to separate conservatives from other groups, and you say "Conservatives are......", you're implying that the group you're trying to separate them from is not whatever it is you're saying conservatives are.

When I say "conservatives

When I say "conservatives are", I'm simply stating just that, not that some other group isn't.

If I were specifically trying to separate conservatives from another group, I'd say "conservatives are not..."

For example, conservatives are supportive of the troops.  Facists and liberals may also be supportive of the troops.  I'm simply pointing out this is core value of conservatives, not necessarily exclusive to them.

Another example:  Conservatives are NOT in favor of government control over industry.  Facists and liberals are both in favor of government control over industry.

See the difference?

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