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June Atkinson on Wake's shift away from the diversity policy

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State Schools Superintendent June Atkinson is raising her concerns about the Wake County school board majority dropping the socioeconomic diversity.

Atkinson was interviewed by Chris Fitzsimon, executive director of the liberal N.C. Policy Watch, for this weekend's broadcast of "News and Views." According to N.C. Policy Watch's Progressive Pulse blog, Atkinson says it’s essential students experience diversity for themselves, rather than learning to base their opinions on what they see on television.

"I am hopeful that the current local Board of Education will see how important it is for students to be in schools where there is diversity and where we do not put all of our children who have problems, who struggle to know where the next meal is coming from, in one school," Atkinson said.

Atkinson, a Democrat, asks "why will people not come together to do that which is in the best interest of all children who live in Wake County?"

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What June Atkinson should be worried about...

In my opinion, June should be worrying about the performance of the NC educational system as a State, and not one county.

 

Where has June been for the last several years as Wake County performance has continued to decline?

 

June, could you provide some success stories of any counties in NC?  And how other counties could use this information to improve their county's performance?

Thanks, much obliged,

Huh?

Nothing earth-shattering in this interview and little substance. Either the General Assy is re-visiting having the Superintendent as an appointed person, or Dr. June has conveniently forgotten how she was fed to the wolves last year by the Governor, who favored Dr. Bill to run the Department of Public Instruction.

Maybe the Wake Co Taxpayers Assn will invite her for a second whining session, since she was running around in search of friends before hiring a Republican lawyer to plead her cause in court last year.

OT Alert: Mr. Sconce I need your help

You are really good at looking up and interpreting laws and statutes and explaining what they say. Can you help me understand in plain English what the below Article and G.S. references say? Thanks.

(e) The local current expense fund shall include appropriations sufficient, when added to appropriations from the State Public School Fund, for the current operating expense of the public school system in conformity with the educational goals and policies of the State and the local board of education, within the financial resources, and consistent with the fiscal policies of the board of county commissioners. These appropriations shall be funded by revenues accruing to the local school administrative unit by virtue of Article IX, Sec. 7 of the Constitution, monies made available to the local school administrative unit by the board of county commissioners, supplemental taxes levied by or on behalf of the local school administrative unit pursuant to a local act or G.S. 115C-501 to 115C-511, State money disbursed directly to the local school administrative unit, and other monies made available or accruing to the local school administrative unit for the current operating expenses of the public school system.

Hmm...

The Constitution section says that fines, penalties and so on go to the schools.  The 115C sections talk about having a separate local tax dedicated to schools.  I don't think Wake County has that separate tax.

Where's this from?

Thanks for the info!

From:

http://www.wcpss.net/budget/budget-basics/uniform-budget-format.html

I've always wondered if there could be a local tax dedicated to schools in NC. I was never sure if the lack thereof in Wake County was because there wasn't a state provision allowing it or if it has been a local choice not to do so. Sounds like it is a local choice.

Fitzsimon's Blog is a lie

The following is from Chris Fitzsimon's blog page describing the rally to take place on the 20th.

"Opponents of the re-segregation of the Wake County schools have announced plans to hold a public rally on July 20, the date of the next Wake County Board of Education meeting."

Segregation is illegal Mr. Fitzsimons. If  WCPSS is doing what you describe, where is the lawsuit. It would be a slam dunk. If not, why the reference to re-segregation? Unless it is a lie.

where is the lawsuit

Mayor Meeker is planning the lawsuit and you are right it should be a slam dunk

LOL! Really? Chucky SAYS

LOL! Really? Chucky SAYS he is planning to sue. It will never happen, and you, I and everyone else knows it. It is nothing but political posturing. It has nothing to do with education and EVERYTHING to do with power ...which he and his extreme left cronies see slipping away.

ROFL, the board has been in

ROFL, the board has been in office something like 220 days, and everyone has known exactly what the agenda was.  If there was a legitimate basis for a lawsuit we would have already seen one filed (and they could have saved a whole lot of candles).  The one lawsuit they could come up with regarding open meetings was tossed out by a judge in the blink of an eye.

An Open Letter to Congressional Leaders on Education Reform

U.S. Sens. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, and Michael B. Enzi, R-Wyo., the chairman and ranking member of the Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee, have asked for comments on a draft of the reauthorization of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act, known in its current form as the No Child Left Behind Act. Here are my comments.

I began teaching in 1976, and taught high school as well as middle school. I later became a curriculum coordinator, an assistant superintendent, and a program director for two federal Teaching American History grants. I am deeply concerned with the future of public education.

I read the Obama administration’s Blueprint for Reform;carefully, and the good news is that the proposal’s main body is strong, full of powerful suggestions and remedies for failing schools. In the document’s introductory section, however, we find proof that every writer of educational blueprints should be made to read George Orwell’s “Politics and the English Language” (1946). If they did this, they would not use the kind of jargon that plagues the field and stands in the way of clear thinking.

 Some examples that should be expunged: “skills … for success”; “continuous improvement”; “higher-order skills”; “outcomes”; “achievement gaps”; “rigorous interventions”; “needs of diverse learners”; “raise the bar”; “reward excellence”; “performance targets”; and finally, the cloying and condescending phrase “a parent is a child’s first teacher.”

Many of the specifics of the blueprint are remarkably good: involving state universities in the discussion about remedial courses; granting funds for professional development of teachers; defining measures of accountability and measurement other than tests. But I have some areas of concern:

Students as Passive Learners. The blueprint doesn’t deal with students’ control of their own education, nor does it hold them accountable. How do we encourage students to be independent and enthusiastic learners if they are merely the object of assessments, treatments, and other instruments?

Evaluating Effective Teachers. The blueprint calls for identifying (and rewarding) “effective and highly effective teachers … on the basis of student growth and other factors.” I can’t imagine how you will do this. The following vignette from my own career points out this difficulty.

I ran into one of my former 8th grade students, now a published writer and poet, who told me, “Mr. Young, you’re the reason I became a writer.” When I started to demur, she said, “No, really.” We talked about how she had battled me that year over how she felt that I was “stifling her creativity,” but that this had led to her understanding that she could control different levels of discourse, that almost all good expository and narrative writing and even most good poetry have form and structure.

Every writer of educational blueprints should be made to read George Orwell's 'Politics and the English Language.' If they did this, they would not use the kind of jargon that plagues the field and stands in the way of clear thinking.
 
 

I doubt that I would have been identified in the blueprint’s assessment process as a “highly effective” teacher. How could you measure the effectiveness of all of this particular student’s teachers previous to the test?

Professional Development. Grant funds would support “evidence of improvements in student learning.” I think this is important, but it ignores what numerous studies have shown: The most important point in the development of a good teacher and in improvement of student learning is that the teacher feels expert in his or her discipline.

The U.S. Department of Education has a good model for how to do this in its Teaching American History grant program. In Boston, the Teachers as Scholars program does it exactly right, offering content seminars with expert professors in a range of fields, including science, mathematics, literature, history, and music theory. Other groups offer high-quality content courses as well. I believe that the ESEA bill should mandate that at least 75 percent of federal funds for professional development be offered in content-specific seminars.

The Consultant-Expertise Industry. I greatly fear the consequence of the plan’s emphasis on improving instructional practices “through effective, ongoing, job-embedded professional development.” This sounds good but inevitably will lead to exacerbating a great problem with our current system: the industry of educational consultants who travel the country, offering expensive “one and done” workshops, or who will work extensively with school systems that buy their expensive materials.

They offer pedagogical fixes, coming up with a dizzying variety of “assessment based” plans to direct multicultural or anti-bullying initiatives, and gimmicks such as “critical friends,” “multiple intelligences,” and “planning backwards.” Many of these programs seem legitimate because they are hatched at major colleges of education and have the imprimatur of those universities. Are they effective? If so, after 20 or 30 years of this roadshow our public school system would not need a blueprint. But what they have been successful at is making a great deal of money at the public expense. “Job-embedded professional development” simply gives them another bite of the apple. Public education needs to be protected from consultants who, by now, have been revealed as providing little more than a traveling medicine show.

Teacher Retention. Although the document acknowledges good practice in mentoring and retaining excellent teachers, this needs more attention in the reauthorization blueprint. It is absolutely critical that young teachers be paired with master teachers—people who can help new teachers know what they have been doing right and what they need to improve. This gets down to the basics: How to establish classroom procedures. How to equip a classroom before a lesson. How to move your students from one place to another.

The federal law should include funds for mentors. My suggestion for this is to allow school systems to rehire recent retirees to come in one day a week to work with specific teachers. We have allowed those teachers to leave the field with a wealth of experience, lesson plans, and even materials, and with little opportunity to share their expertise.

Using the Data. The plan needs to acknowledge districts that are currently performing at a high level. They can’t possibly keep “improving,” as the blueprint envisions, in the way that a bottom 5 percent school can “improve.” They should maintain their performance and improve where they can, but the unrealistic expectation of constant improvement might sink this reform. It would be a little bit like cutting Ted Williams’ salary after he hit .406 because he did not hit .420 the following year.

Finally, what happens when, as the blueprint proposes, all “data [are] disaggregated by race, gender, ethnicity, disability status, English-learner status, and family income”? In the original No Child Left Behind legislation, this became a straitjacket that saw good districts transformed into failing districts if one of the disaggregated populations did not perform up to “standards.”

Programs That Work. To that end, the blueprint includes very little about programs that do work. We need to study, and perhaps replicate, organizations such as Teach For America. The plan’s authors may need to think about funding a similar organization that would bring more teachers of color into the classrooms. As our student population has changed, our teaching force has not.

Senators Harkin and Enzi, you and other members of Congress are undertaking a noble, important, and difficult task. Thank you providing a forum to comment on these ideas. All of us look forward to hearing from you as the blueprint for reauthorizing the ESEA continues to respond to the on-the-ground reality of public education today.

ot-

The mere suggestion that Wake

County might consider someone

other than a public school lifer

to become the next superintendent of

the state’s largest school district has

given the education establishment the

vapors.

School board member Debra

Goldman has said the district should

look at outside candidates to succeed

Del Burns. Way outside — including

successful business leaders and retired

military officers. The board’s fivemember

conservative majority also

voted to end a policy requiring the

superintendent to have at least three

years’ experience over the past decade

in public education.

Local mainstream editorial

boards have fretted that an outsider

would lack “valuable” experience, because,

after all, the school “workforce

is motivated not by earning potential

or stock options but by trying to educate

young people.”

But by following the rote formula

of hiring public education veterans

to oversee Wake County schools, the

district hasn’t been educating young

people very well. So why not try

something else?

In recent decades, it’s hard to

find an underperforming urban school

district that has turned around unless

it brought in a nontraditional leader.

Innovators whose careers were made

outside the classroom or the district

office — and whose approaches were

not stifled by the platitudes of pedagogy

— have written a series of success

stories.

Some high-profile reforms were

supervised by:

• Joel Klein, New York City Public

Schools chancellor: federal antitrust

prosecutor.

• Roy Romer, head of the Los

Angeles Unified School District, 2001-

06: three-term governor of Colorado,

state treasurer, state lawmaker, and

owner of John Deere equipment

stores.

• Michael Bennet, former superintendent

of Denver Public Schools

(and now a Colorado U.S. senator):

investment banker and chief of staff

for the city’s mayor.

• Tom Boasberg, Bennet’s successor

in Denver: global mergers-andacquisitions

specialist, attorney with

the Federal Communications Commission,

and chief financial officer at

Denver Public Schools.

• Michelle Rhee, chancellor

of public schools in the District of

Columbia: three-year veteran of the

Teach for America program, which

brings teachers who don’t have traditional

education degrees to innercity

schools, and founder of the New

Teacher Project, a nonprofit operating

in 20 states that recruits teachers for

low-income schools.

• Arne Duncan, U.S. education

secretary and former CEO of Chicago’s

public schools: professional

basketball player in Australia and

operator of a Chicago charter school.

They’re all Democrats, by the

way.

These school chiefs may have

followed unusual career paths. But

they used their passion for education

— along with their talents — to blow

past bureaucracies and unions and

put students and parents first.

And make no mistake: The longer

Wake County and North Carolina

decision makers refuse to look outside

the school establishment for leadership,

the more kids’ education will

suffer. CJ

 

Source?

Source?

Carolina Journal... (and for

Carolina Journal...

(and for the record, lest any care to throw barbs, I'm UNA)

What is UNA?

Sorry to be clueless.  I try to avoid throwing barbs as they take away much more than they add to the discussion.

Ah -- so John Hood's group.   Always helps to understand the background of the source.

unaffiliated, neither (R)

unaffiliated, neither (R) nor (D).....

concerned about children and education not politics, glean information from many and varied sources, no HIDDEN agenda, simply the best possibilities for educating ALL children.

Refreshingly intelligent. 

Refreshingly intelligent.  Thank you.

Good information

As mentioned previously, I thank you for the many different articles you bring over regardless of source.   There is useful information to be found from all sources.  As you say, the goal is to try to help students achieve to their fullest potential.

Whats best for me ???

Liberals really are a Hoot.  Always wailing and squawking that THEY know what's best for me and everybody else.  I would never presume to tell anyone else what "is best" for them.

One of many reasons I oppose liberals at every opportunity.  Opposing liberals IS "best for me" by my own conclusion.

except, of course,

when you tell them who they can marry. Or whether or a woman can have an abortion.

Liberals

Liberal's do not have a monopoly on "what's best for me" . The rhetoric generally aligns with what party is in power or not. 

All students

Busing for diversity is not an issue when you have only a few schools in your county.  I don't know why this has to be repeated, but some people are a little slow.

The currnet majority on Wake's board is actively planning on creating a concentration camp of lower income students and telling their parents it is for their own good.  The board has *zero* evidence that being closer to a school magically results in greater parental involvement, in or out of the school building.  They are politically motiviated to sepereate "those kids" from the Real Americans that want "you must be this rich to attend this 'public' school" policies to divide the county into "have" and "have not" areas.

No one in their right mind would want to emulated the Charlotte-Mecklenburg school system -- more money spent per pupil + extremely low expectations = "higher graduation rate".  If CMS kids were held to WCPSS standards, the graduation rate in Charlotte would be a lot lower than 50%.

Busing for diversity is not

Busing for diversity is not an issue when you have only a few schools in your county.  I don't know why this has to be repeated, but some people are a little slow.

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Yes, but certainly there are other school districts that could bus for diversity.  Why aren't these people pushing for those districts to adopt a diversity policy?  Durham, CMS, Chapel Hill-Carrboro (heck, why aren't they advocating for them to merge with Orange County?), Forsyth, Guilford, etc.  If they believe that having a diversity policy is so important, then why aren't they advocating for it elsewhere?  Why isn't Rev Barber advocating for it in Durham?

If Durham could get Barber

If Durham could get Barber more publicity he would drop WCPSS as his pet cause.

Concentration camp? And not

Concentration camp? And not too long ago was someone fretting over incendiary language.

Perhaps

Perhaps we need a variant of business bingo -- WakeEd Bingo.   It could be made up of the baiting and insulting phrases frequently included in posts with special consideration for language requiring Keung to step in or outing someones' anonymity.  

Ron B-If letting the kids go

Ron B-If letting the kids go to school where they live creates a "concentration camp" environment are you saying that the City of Raleigh has created a concentration camp zone for them to live in day in, day out?  You are not painting a very good job of planned housing/city planning.  Your comment is rather rude in regard to the communities you reference.  In concur with Bob Sconce-beyond the pale.

Over the top

Generally bad form to equate your opponents with Nazis.  Say what you will, but the "concentration camp" language is beyond the pale. 

Juxtaposition

The language is extreme, as so often occurs here on the WakeEd Blog.  At the same time, it is intriguing to think that some use the label of "Promise Zones" for areas of high poverty.

Like these

Like these:

http://www.promisezones.org/

http://www.hcz.org/

http://www.americaspromise.org/Our-Work/Community-Action/Promise-Zones.aspx

 

Excerpting

Don't get me wrong -- I think the premise of promise zones has great value but excerpting from one of the sites you provided:

Today in high-poverty communities across the state, ten Promise Zones are blazing a new trail to create a pervasive culture of learning in low-income communities—an essential ingredient in any recipe for education success. 

The concept of a promise zone seems inextricably linked to assisting low income communities (in Harlem, in Kalamazoo, and other locales).    If you don't have promise zones for communities which are not low income and we are applying for promise zone grants, doesn't that imply that we will be creating school assignments with concentrations of low-income children similar to Harlem or Kalamazoo?   Or has there been one or more areas of WCPSS which have met the criteria for a Promise Zone grant for years but never submitted the applications?
 

Actually

Actually, I posted those to show that term "promise zone" is used in more than just the context of the new federal program. The idea did not start with the feds. None of the programs from those links are funded by the new federal Promise Zone grant program.

Excerpt from same site from which you pulled:

Inspired by the success of The Kalamazoo Promise, which began guaranteeing full tuition scholarships to students in that West Michigan community in 2005, Michigan is the first state to promote the creation of local place-based scholarship programs.   The Promise Zone model is demonstrating that Promise programs do not have to rely on the generosity of a handful of major donors.

From the Kalamazoo Promise site (see above started in 2005):

The Kalamazoo Promise is entirely privately funded into perpetuity by a small group of anonymous donors.

In other words, donors in the local community in Kalamazoo started a program they called The Kalamazoo Promise and then the State of MI used that program as inspiration for a state level program, neither of which has anything to do with the federal grants or program.

So, I still suspect that the term generally started with Geoffrey Canada and the Promise Academy, which is part of the Harlem Children's Zone and has been picked up and used to describe efforts elsewhere that are not necessarily the same thing as HCZ or the federal program concept. If Wake does not qualify under the new federal grant program that does not mean game over. Geoffrey Canada did it in Harlem without the feds. The feds are copying him, not the other way around. The federal funding is a nice to have, but it is understanding the concepts that is the key.

From the first site again:

 If Michigan, despite facing all the economic woes brought on by the decline of the auto industry, can make Promise Zones work, other states can surely follow suit.  Communities across our country will benefit when we unlock the promise of educational opportunity for all.

BTW - Kalamazoo Public Schools District is 62% F&R to give some context.

Addtional info

I believe the reason the Kalamazoo Promise was actually started was to entice students to attend schools in the district. Like many midwestern districts declining enrollment had been a problem. It appears to be working. According to the district web site they have experienced four years of enrollment growth and have opened their first new middle school in 49 years. It is also hoped that more educated young people will spur economic development in the state.

 

The Kalamazoo Promise is a tuition paying scholarship to a 4 -year or 2-year Michigan college. Paid directly to the college. The eligibility requirements include graduate from KPS, have attend at least the last four consecutive years (65% tuition, 100% if all 13 years were attended in KPS), and of course be admitted to and enroll in a participating Michigan college. It is not only or exclusively for low income students though the district is predominantly low income. The scholarship has paid out $17M to 1,500 graduates in the last five years and expects to pay out $7.5M this year.

Last FYI - the district only has approximately 11,600 students.

Reasons

Thanks for the information. It is hard to keep population from declining when employers keep closing their doors.

Here are the reasons given by the Kzoo Promise site, only one of which is to get students to attend (stay) in the district, while three are about economic improvement, which is one of the core promise zone concepts - education leads to economic and community improvement from inside the community:

For the following reasons:

1. Education is an important key to financial well being.

2. It allows KPS to differentiate itself from other public and private school systems.

3. It provides a real meaningful and tangible opportunity for all students.

4. The Kalamazoo Promise will create opportunities for individuals who attend Kalamazoo Public Schools and their current and future families. It follows – and studies have shown – that there is a strong correlation between overall academic achievement and a community’s economic vitality and quality of life. (emphasis added)
 

Of note is that the site states that students from outside the district, attending the district under Michigan's Choice (students can attend other districts) plan are not eligible, so attendance is only from the "keeping students who live in the district in the district schools" angle rather than attracting students from neighboring districts. MI has something like 800 districts because each muni has it's own district, so district student populations are smaller and districts have to "compete" for students with not only private schools, but other public districts. There are 9 districts in Kzoo county.

In any case, the scholarship program is an interesting concept.

Missed the point

Missed the point of the policy - it was not just so white kids could be exposed to poverty. It was to prevent  high poverty schools for which the district was not equipped financially or otherwise to deal with. We all know that high poverty schools are failures unless inordinate amount of resources are applied. Let's not confuse the concept/strategy of the old policy of considering SES with the seemingly poor execution in instances where it created a hardship on 2% (1,100) of the elementary school kids that where assigned to a school > 10 miles from their residence.  In the quest to develop a better model - we have started off with "neighborhood" schools (parent choice) to "Community" schools (parent choice) to "Controlled Choice" where by assignment is based on an algorithim that includes elements of income status (parent education, house value..ect) - clearly an attempt to identify poverty.   So while "diversity" was eliminated from the policy it is being introduced through the algorithim.  Clearly there are valid assignment issues to be addressed - but to place all of the blame to the policy vs poor execution or subjectivity of a few individuals has been misleading.  As I have said before - correcting the inequities of assignments could have been handled in a different manner. This has been my beef with the board all along, not the broad ideas but the approach.

the seemingly poor execution

the seemingly poor execution in instances where it created a hardship on 2% (1,100) of the elementary school kids that where assigned to a school > 10 miles from their residence.

Again I have to take issue with this classification of hardship. First of all, WCPSS tends to use radial measures when talking about distances. And radial distances are not a true measure of the hardship involved.
 
If I were to draw a circle with a 10 mile radius around my home, it would enclose 30+ elementary schools, 12+ middle schools, and 6+ high schools. To imply that one has to travel >10+ radial miles to a school for it to be a hardship is way to restricting. As an example, consider the elementary school that my kids were assigned to. It was exactly 5 miles radial distance from my home to the school. Doesn't sound bad until you note that there are 21 additional elementary schools that are closer to my home. This bus ride was definitely a hardship, yet WCPSS touts that I was one of the majority of families assigned to a school within 5 miles of my home.
 

I have presented analysis in another thread that shows that a majority of students live within 1.7 miles of an elementary school, 3.0 miles of a middle school, and 3.5 miles of a high school (radial distance). Insisting that a hardship does not begin until you are more than 10 miles from your school does not make sense. I would instead focus on the amount of time spent on the bus ride. WCPSS guidelines allow for maximum one way ride times of:

  • Base Elementary Students - One hour and 15 minutes
  • Base Secondary Students - One hour and 30 minutes
  • Nonbase Students - Thirty (30) minutes in addition to the above limits.

The fact that WCPSS allows a secondary magnet student to spend up to 4 hours a day on a bus would suggest that their definition of hardship is much different than mine.

Perspective

Thank you for the reminder on perspective. We have become accustomed to being 14 miles from school (45 minute bus ride) by choice and have not found it a hardship.  in retrospect I can see where others would have a different view.

Why?  Because Raleigh &

Why?  Because Raleigh & Wake County are the largest school system by far and none of the other schools systems have so blatantly force-fed resegregation of schools.  Mecklenburg County clearly has done the same thing.  The difference is Mecklenburg County schools sucked before and they are still bad now.  Wake County schools are rated one of the top systems nationwide.

Can someone confirm his statement

... about North Carolina having some of the best schools in the country.  I seem to recall NC being in the bottom 30% of schools, on a state-by-state basis.  Can someone confirm or deny?

All I could find was a recent article on Top100 High Schools in the US from US NEWS - there are only 2 schools from North Carolina (one in Raleigh) versus 22 schools in NY state.

Wake County schools are

Wake County schools are rated one of the top systems nationwide.

Really?  Where?  I know our schools have won some nice diversity awards, but what "rating" system do you cite as declaring Wake to be one of the top systems?

"Wake County schools are

"Wake County schools are rated one of the top systems nationwide."

...UNLESS you are among the ED and black male populations (which is what all this is about) then you are screwed and have about a 50/50 shot at academic success. You and the other forced-busing crowd seem to be fine with these inclusions in the Wake County diamond. Your philosophy  is: look at the glitter, but don't look too close.
 

It is very odd that Atkinson

It is very odd that Atkinson would make such comments when the other 99 counties in the state don't support forced busing either. She must be folding under pressure from the extreme left. I thought she was stronger than that.
 

Atkinson, a Democrat, asks "why will people not come together to do that which is in the best interest of all children who live in Wake County?"

 

WE ARE DOING WHAT IS BEST!!

And again!!!  Why are we

And again!!!  Why are we hearing from all of these people, all of a sudden?  Why don't they speak out on the other counties in this state that do not bus for diversity?  Why is it only with WCPSS?

Hey June

How is it in the best interest of a kid to be bussed to an elementary school 1/2 way across the county, then a few years later reassigned to a different elementary school in a different part of the county, then to a middle school in a third part of the county and a high school in a fourth part?  How does it help that child to be placed in schools where his parents have no reasonable ability to meet his teacher or to pick him up when he gets sick?  How does it help that child to not make any lasting connections with any of his classmates, merely because his parents needed to apply for reduced-price lunches?  How does it help that child for the district to assume that he's stupid based on the color of his skin and the contents of his parents' wallet?

I agree that students should be exposed to people from a wide variety of backgrounds, from different races and nationalities and from different religions -- that sort of diversity is wonderful and gives kids a much stronger understanding of the world.  But, it's fraudulent to claim that's what you're doing when you're scattering poor kids around the county just so middle class white kids can be exposed to poverty.

middle class white kids can be exposed to poverty

How about so children who live in poverty - who are not all children of color - can be exposed to a middle class life style.

Once again you think it is about your kids, it is all about your kids not what is best for everybody or a child that is not yours.

comments like this - make me

comments like this - make me crazy.  It makes people "feel good".  Do you really think that a young child sitting in a classroom far away from his or her family and friends watching other moms and dads come into a school frequently when their parents cannot - feels good?  Does seeing the Lands End monogrammed backpack pop out of the Lexus SUV on the back of little Suzie instill some burning desire for that bussed child to "buck up" and break the poverty cycle? 

Not likely.  It makes YOU feel good that your children are learning about diversity in its many forms, to work with and play with  people from all backgrounds.  Let's turn the tables - if you lived in the base area for say... Carpenter - and next year GM assigned you to Brentwood... would you go?  That is also a way to expose children who live in poverty to a "middle class lifestyle" - except the middle class gets to sit on the bus and travel far away to a very different and possibly uncomfortable and isolated environment (relative to what they are accustomed to) for the good of all children.  Why don't we switch it up for a few years?  And see what happens?

Why don't we switch it up for a few years? And see what happens

I live in N. Raleigh and my children go to a Southeast Raleigh school. They are on the bus 45 min each way. So I have switched it.

 

That is great - good for

That is great - good for you!  Sounds like you might be in a magnet, just like my kids are.  Is that correct?  I don't know of an area up in N. Raleigh that is based to a downtown school - but please correct me if I am wrong.

So we (you and I) chose it - we applied, we got lucky, and we chose to take those seats.

Where I think we differ - is that the kids and families that do not choose...

I agree.  It's just not the

I agree.  It's just not the same to make that choice to be bused to a far away magnet vs being forced to go to school far away and not receive the extras.

The "extras" they get from

The "extras" they get from being bused to a school further away are the perks that are available at affluent, suburban schools such as parental resources, both financial and time, as well as high quality teachers, versus having to attend a very high poverty school in the inner-city, which is what would exist without the voluntary magnet program or the "extras" they need to draw NED kids to inferior schools in old buildings or poor neighborhoods.  This creates a win-win situation in which ALL schools are good, or at least within a narrower range than the very high poverty schools and the very affluent schools that will be created with the new zone plan.

Do you have children in a

Do you have children in a Wake county school? 

I am trying really hard to understand your perspective and context that you are writing about - but I am really struggling to follow. 

By what measure do you define a school as being "good"? 

Have you looked at ANY data yet?  You seem to be stuck on the whole "good school" thing.  Good schools don't matter.  Successful students do.  And success happens in all kinds of places, in all kinds of ways - and the affluence level of the school really doesn't correlate.  Some of the most affluent schools in Wake are doing TERRIBLE with the ED subgroup - and I mean terrible.  Some of the highest poverty schools in Wake are doing the BEST with the ED subgroup.  Those high poverty schools that you opine are inferior... are kicking butt in some cases. 

Look at Green Hope Elementary - where for the latest reported period, 31.1% of the ED kids passed their EOG's.  BRENTWOOD PASSED over 40%. 

So those rich, far flung schools with their deep pockets and scads of volunteers - aren't doing much for some sub groups. 

But - they feel good thinking they are, I am sure.  Yippee.

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T. Keung Hui covers Wake schools.

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