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John Tedesco responds to Wake school board attack ads

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District 2 school board candidate John Tedesco has fired back at opponent Cathy Truitt for her recent attack ads accusing him of being a pawn of Ron Margiotta and Western Wake.

In a wide-ranging interview in this week's Garner Citizen, Tedesco called Truitt "divisive" and a "hypocrite." He claims that Truitt, should she be elected, will become "marginalized and ineffective" because of the ads.

"She’s already doing negative attack ads in the paper," Tedesco said in the interview. "She’s calling me a pawn; she’s calling out Ron Margiotta. How are you going to build consensus? That’s not helping. That’s going to have more board members up there fighting."

Also during the interview, Tedesco compares Wake unfavorably to Halifax County schools because of the respective graduation rates for low-income students. Chris Malone made similar remarks during last week's District 1 forum.

Among other things, Tedesco also criticizes Wake for having year-round schools open this past Memorial Day and for the weekly Wednesday early dismissals. 

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You go John Tedesco!

Today's coverage is excellent and right on the mark! John doesn't pretend to have all the answers, but he sure has some solid ideas and ONE idea is more than Cathy or Horace has put forth! John's understanding of the issues is exactly what district 2 is starving for!

Unfortunately SOME just can't grasp that, can they Whaler!

Arguing the wrong issues

  1. People of all ethnicities who earn good incomes (are affluent) usually move into affluent neighborhoods.
  2. Students from affluent neighborhoods usually prosper in public schools and get a good education.
  3. Students who get a good education usually go on to college and graduate if they apply themselves and select a good major.
  4. College graduates with good majors usually get good jobs and earn good incomes.

See step one above.

It is up to the student, not the:

  1. Parent(s)
  2. Teachers
  3. Principal
  4. Guidance councilor
  5. Superintendent
  6. School board

If the student:

1)      Sets some lifetime goals

2)      Sets some academic goals

3)      Develops good reading and study skills

4)      Sets some vocational goals

5)      Sets some financial goals

6)      Exercises good personal judgment

7)      Exercises personal discipline and time management

8)      Makes a commitment to follow through on the above.

 

A student does not need a $50,000,000 high school facility to learn the basics that are needed to get a good college education.

A student does not need a trust account to get into and graduate from a really good college.  There are lots of ways to get the funds besides athletic scholarships and wealthy parents.

Any or all of the above are helpful but not necessary.

I submit that we need to focus on the very two first and most critical issues:

  1. Student inspiration
  2. Optimum method of learning for each student

 

Let’s take “STUDENT INSPIRATION”:  All students have different interests and different levels of internal motivation.  Some are inquisitive, some are lazy, some are academically gifted and learn quicker, some have learning disorders such as attention deficit disorder, dyslexia, etc. (and these must be diagnosed and addressed). One of the main problems is that most students do not understand the relevance of many of the subjects being taught.  Examples are: “I already know how to talk English so why should I have to study English?”.  “I want to be a fireman when I grow up so why do I need to study geography?”.  “I want to write novels so why do I need to study physics?”  “I want to be a chef, so why to I need to study music?’  For my own part, I always wanted to be an engineer and I wondered about all this, but I studied them on faith and got through it all.  After I became an adult, it all became clear but I understand why a child would question these and also use his doubts as excuses not to study and learn.  I had a discussion with two of my grown sons and two of their daughters still in public school last week.  They asked: “what would you say are the three most important subjects a student needs to learn.  My answer surprised even my two grown sons.  I said: “English, psychology and economics.”  Everyone needs to communicate effectively, be an effective advocate and manage one’s own finances.  For students that come from a poor and/or minority setting, I submit that young students need to hear from successful adults who came from poor and/or minority backgrounds to demonstrate that success can be achieved.  We need a speaker’s bureau of speakers who will visit individual third grade classrooms and talk to 8-year olds about the path to success.  This should be repeated once a year at all grades up through grade 12.  Field trips could be arranged through middle class, upper middle class and wealthy neighborhoods and then past a prison facility and then ask the class which they plan to live in when they grow up.  They don’t have to be Oprah, Michael Jordan, Colin Powell or President Obama, but these people were not born rich.  They should read biographies of successful people who started out at the bottom.

 

Let’s take: “OPTIMUM METHODS OF LEARNING FOR EACH STUDENT”.  I have not even heard this topic discussed.  Some students learn best by reading, others by observing, others by listening, others by actually doing, others by rote memory, etc.  Blind people don’t learn by observing, deaf don’t learn by listening, some are too nervous to take written tests and others are nervous taking oral tests.  Beethoven went deaf and yet continued to write classical music because he could “hear” it in his head.  For thousands of years, people could not read, but learned from watching and listening to others.  There are still millions of people today around the world who cannot read yet learn what they need to know in their own culture.  I submit that we could eliminate many of the other jobs in the school system and hire councilors to evaluate students one at a time in grades K, 1 and 2 to determine if a given student needs to be taught in a special manner.  We cannot afford the “one size fits all” method of teaching in use today.  I feel we could better teach students to read, comprehend, etc. if we understood better their optimum way of learning.  I would be better for the students, and for society and for our economy if we could teach ALL students to read, comprehend and to keep up with their classmates.  This is imperative if we are going to reduce dropouts and increase graduations.  If schools are cheaper that prisons, it follows that counselors are cheaper than round-the-clock correctional officers.

 

I submit that we have been arguing over the wrong issues in our schools.  We don’t need to reduce our dropout rate.  We need to eliminate our dropout rate.

I did have a chance to meet

I did have a chance to meet John this evening, and although I disagree with him on maintaining economic balance in our schools, I do appreciate his community service and his earnestness.  I have no doubt his heart is in the right place.  Of course I believe most on the current Board's hearts are too, but all too often that is not recognized.  Franky, I wouldn't wish being on the school board on my worst enemy, and I appreciate anyone willing to put themselves forward.

Although I am not supporting John, we could do a lot worse.

Would you like to help

us knock on some doors?  We have 2 points of agreement this evening, I'm beginning to think I might have to buy the ice cream!

We are currently doing a "lot worse" with representation in D2, so hope is alive!

Sorry g8, but my plate is

Sorry g8, but my plate is full.  I'm staying out of Dist. 2.  I did enjoy Mr. Tedesco, and do believe he has good intentions, and the best for Wake's children at heart, and is not looking at this as a stepping stone for some other office.  I just disagree with him on eliminating economic balance in our schools.

I'm sure John is a decent

I'm sure John is a decent and fine fellow, but it is nothing short of ridiculas for he, Chris Malone and other WSCA candidates to suggest that Halifax County schools, which Judge Manning has ruled are inadequate, are in any way better than Wake County schools. Is there a single Wake County parent who would prefer Halifax County's best school to Wake County's worst? Not very likely. It demonstrates they are more focused on picking out some stat for a talking point to run down WCPSS for votes rather than reality.

I'm sure John is a decent

I'm sure John is a decent and fine fellow, but it is nothing short of
ridiculas for he, Chris Malone and other WSCA candidates to suggest
that Halifax County schools, which Judge Manning has ruled are
inadequate, are in any way better than Wake County schools.

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Perry, I don't recall anybody saying that overall Halifax schools are better than Wake.  But when our ED kids are doing WORSE than Halifax's, that's a problem.  Actually, the problem is that WCPSS and the BOE are far more interested in making an overall school look good than in helping actual students.  They are far too invested in keeping WEP and other business leaders happy.  

The stanglehold that business 'leaders' have on our schools has got to stop.  WCPSS and the BOE are here to serve STUDENTS and their families.  Yes, having a good school system is important for economic growth but that is NOT its primary function.  

We have Chuck D publicly proclaiming that distance doesn't matter for low income families because they won't participate in the kids' education no matter how close they are to the school.  We have Chuck D knowingly moving low income kids around to a new school each year just to fulfill his 'higher calling'.  The BOE lets him do what he wants and it seems that nobody gives a darn about the damage they are doing to these kids and their families.  

Even Rita has been suckered into believing the SES balancing policy is good for her district.  Her district and Garner are the two that are most dramatically hurt by these policy.  Its not ok to have higher poverty schools ITB but it is ok for Knightdale, Wendell, Zebulon and Garner to have them.  Nobody notices them anyway and as long as central Raleigh schools look good that's all that matters.

I'm sure Rita is a very nice lady with good intentions but she is more than naive.  She is an absolute fool who is being played like a fiddle by her Raleigh campaign donors like Koopman and Meeker.  

If economic balance as a

If economic balance as a criteria for assignment is eliminated, it will in fact stress schools in Rita's district even further.  It will be East Wake, as is often the case, left holding the bag if we go to 'have' schools, and 'have not' schools.

 

Perry, We already have

Perry,

We already have 'have' school and 'have not' schools.  Some kids are worthy of getting a magnet as their base, most aren't.  Some are worthy or gaining access to magnets through the application process, many are not.

Within my neighborhood and the adjoining one, kids are assigned to three different middle schools.  One is a magnet where each child must take a foreign language and an arts elective each year.  That is on top of keyboarding and other electives such as Model UN and other special topics electives. The kids there have 3 or 4 electives each semester

The second middle school is one that offers band, orchestra, drama, chorus & art.  Up until this year they also offered Spanish & French.  Now they have no foreign language at all.

THe third middle school is a year round that offers band, drama, chorus & art.  No orchestra and they have NEVER had a foreign language.

How's that for 'have' and 'have not'?  Our elem school sends kids to 4 or 5 different middle schools.  Both students and parents were disappointed when they heard of the opportunities that some kids were given at their base schools compared to the paltry offerings at their own.

Jen, Fair Post.  I would

Jen,

Fair Post.  I would support working to end those imbalances.

Excellent! So, you will

Excellent! So, you will encourge voters you know in District 7 to vote for Deborah Prickett since that effort is a key part of her platform.

Broaden Your Vision

You reach the wrong conclusion when you say that schools will be stressed. To the contrary, they will become places where innovative and relevent educational activities will take place and services rendered that address the special challenges of individual students. The proponents of positive change want to actually address the barriers to success low imcome students face and implement real solutions. As it is, the solution offered by the current powers-that-be is a bus ride...I don't think anyone in ther heart of hearts believes that is really an effective solution...and the facts bear that out as economically disadvantaged (ED) students graduate from high school at pitiful rate of 54%.

Solutions to the address the challenges of ED students most likely will include afterschool programs, community resources, and mentoring. If students are bused 15-20 miles away to a school across the county, how do they access these community-based services? 

If we are really serious about improving education in Wake County and improving the success of the most challenged students, the dynamics must change. Continuing down the same falied path as the status quo candidates like Rita suggest, is simply not good enough. 

Well said.  I also note

Well said.  I also note that Lois Nixon refers to our school system as an "economic development tool." 

Clearly the Halifax references hit a nerve with those who would maintain status quo.

Thank you for spelling it out exactly the way it is in Wake County.

With all due respect, I do

With all due respect, I do not consider the high school graduation rate to be "some stat."

Joe, it is one stat and not

Joe, it is one stat and not a complete picture.   Again, would any of you prefer you kid in Halifax County Schools than one in Wake?  Hard for me to imagine that would be the case.

Keep trying to sell that Halifax is better than Wake even with just ED students because that is a square peg in a round hole for most.

Nice try. Halifax County

Nice try.

Halifax County schools far outperform Wake County schools in addressing the needs of economically disadvantaged (ED) students. It is simple fact. If you dismiss it, as you seem to be doing, it suggests you are avoiding the central issue of the Wake County school board race.

We've been told that the constant reassignments, stress-inducing calendar options and busing are to address the challenges of ED students and to raise their level of achievement. It is a lie. In Wake County the Ed graduation rate averages 54%, in Halifax County it is 64%, surpassing the state-wide rate of 58%. 

One can conclude that if you are a student from a low income family, your chances are better in Halifax County than they are in Wake.

 The charade about the benefits of the WCPSS reassignment/diversity policy is over.

One stat does not draw a

One stat does not draw a complete picture.  Even with just ED students, it is inaccurate to suggest that the  education they recieve in Halifax County is better than Wake, and I'm even more confident that those who suggest so would not send their kids to a Halifax county school before one in Wake.

I agree we should and must do more for ED, but the constant running down of our schools for political gain isn't the answer. 

As well, I do not claim maintaining economic balance in our schools is the silver bullet, I do know that going in the opposite direction that creates high poverty schools is not likely to create an environment for success either. 

Not likely to create

Why do you think you know? Because some study based on 1980s data said so?

What about studies that have shown the importance of parental involvement, community involvement and stability? If "healthy" schools help ED students why do some of the lower F&R schools have some of the worst passing rates for ED students (i.e. there is no consistent pattern showing ED students automatically do better at lower F&R schools)?

Do you have personal experience being ED, having ED friends or relatives, living in low income areas, going to higher poverty schools? If so, how did those experiences confirm or differ from the stereotypes behind the economic balance theories? What was the general attitude about ED in the area and what was the relationship between ED and NED, divided or together? What do you think the relationship is here? Do you think things said to support busing for SE balancing (i.e. their parents won't be involved anyway) have impacted attitudes about the ED here and their liklihood of academic success? Why do you think people like myself and John Tedesco that have personal experiences might not agree with you?

Any experience with community based schools along the lines of the current community schools movement? What are your thoughts about Arne Duncan and the community schools movement? KIPP? Capital Prep? Other higher poverty schools and systems that have created an environment for success? Do you think those successes are for other places, but can't be done here and if so, why? What is different about here other than the F&R rate is actually lower here and financial resouces more than many other places? (By financial resources I mean the income level of the community, not how much schools are currently funded.)

What about the schools here that are in diverse areas of the county but have been harmed by the instability of trying to maintain socioeconomic balance throughout the school system? Are you willing to admit there are a number of diverse areas in this county? Does it bother you that the classes within SES balanced MS and HS are often very SES unbalanced due to the achievement gap or that doesn't matter because the school looks healthy? How do you explain the lack of improvement in the achievement gap for STUDENTS and if your candidates win, how will that a) be addressed or will it b) continue to be hidden behind healthy schools data? If a) what will they do differently when the entire focus and theory of the policies they support has been creation of healthy SCHOOLS? Why should anyone think that the same policies will get us to a different place and that doing more of the same will produce different results?

Nice post TPG.You are

Nice post TPG.

You are not likely going to receive a clear, direct answer from Perry to your questions as there are no good answers.

The elite liberal class like Perry geneally believe they are smarter than and know what's best for people like you, me and Joe.

For some of them (possibly Perry), they have never experience the life of those they claim to be "helping" and are so arrogant that they can't even see their own ignorance.

For the rest, they're not truly interested in the the outcome they claim.  They're primary motivation is appearance.  They want to look "good" to (1) their liberal elite buddies at the cocktail parties and (2) a certain voting block so that they may remain in power. 

One common characteristic both types share is that the sacrifices they force on others never truly effects them. 

I'm not holding my breath ;-)

Some have never experienced it and can't see their own arrogance or ignorance - you got that right!

I think this may be one of the factors behind the differences I see between here and where I'm from.

I agree that one stat does

I agree that one stat does not draw a complete picture.  Probably a good thought for Lois Nixon to keep in mind next time before she starts celebrating our SAT results. 

But this is a very important metric.  Our reassignment process is built on a premise that busing ED students will improve their performance.  When we do that busing and achieve 54%, something is not working.  And if I buy into the studies from other districsts which are often quoted as supporting our reassignment policy, then I must assume our ED graduation rate of 54% would be even LOWER (and thus the gap with Halifax higher).

I agree with what Lois Nixon said today, it is cheaper to build schools than prisons, and is the moral thing to do.  Affluent caucasion and asian students do mostly make it through our school system, but the minority and ED students are being left behind.

Election or not, if the Halifax references ruffle a few feathers but bring a real problem into relief, then that is a good result.

Joe, I love you bubba,

Joe,

I love you bubba, but it is hard for me to believe that all this effort is for ED students, and it doesn't ruffle my feathers that you insist on trying to say Halifax County Schools are better in any way then Wake County schools, because that undercuts your arguement with the public, because few are going to buy that.  Cliche alert.  "That dog won't hunt."

On another note, even though we disagree on this issue, I did find much refreshing about Mr. Tedesco when I met him this evening.

The Emperor Has No Clothes

Agreed that single stats do not a whole picture make. However, the point about spreading the news about some of them is because we HAVE never and WILL never hear this news elsewhere. Parents and other concerned citizens, when we hand out our "Did You Know" flyer are STUNNED. Speechless - until they cough out - "You really have to get this information out there! People need to know this!" The graduation rate is just one stat on that sheet as well, and believe me the complete picture that this sheet shows is not anywhere near as happy and shiney as the people at WEP/WCPSS/N&O would have the public believe. And THAT is the point of pulling out these stats. Sadly we do not have a $5 Million PR budget so we will never be able to compete with the WEP/WCPSS/N&O confabulation in the area of 'getting the word out'. It was great of you to show your annoyance though. It makes some of this worthwhile. 

It demonstrates they are

It demonstrates they are more focused on picking out some stat for a
talking point to run down WCPSS for votes rather than reality.

Actually, the point is pretty easy to understand.  The socioeconomic diversity policy does not benefit low income students to the point where one of the worst school systems in the state graduates a higher percentage of low income students than Wake County.

You seem so gung-ho to stick with what you see as a successful policy.  Can you show any evidence of low income student academic performance improvements in Wake County?

They graduate a higher

They graduate a higher percentage of ED students who stay in school, but have a higher drop out rate.

Again, I bet not one of you on this thread would send your kids to Halifax County schools, save perhaps John Tedesco who I did have the privledge to meet this evening.  Even though I disagree with him on this issue, I do think his heart is in the right place and if he thought it would help, I do sense he would roll up his sleves and go to work in Halifax County.

Distraction

I guess it must be some political tactic to change the subject so that people don't pay attention to the painful and uncomfortable news that's just been delivered. Its really not the point whether any of us would send our kids to Halifax schools, is it? The point is that a school system to which none of us might send our kids is doing BETTER at educating ED children.....even after all WCPSS' expensive busing experiments at top dollar in the best economy. What now brown cow?

So....

Do you disagree that WCPSS' graduation rate among ED students is horrible, or do you only disagree with the way candidates choose to illustrate how bad it is?

 

Here's the first instance I

Here's the first instance I recall of the Halifax comparison being made:

http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/letters/story/1644887.html

I have never met Mr. Dellinger, he sounds like a concerned parent.  

Perry, The numbers don't

Perry,

The numbers don't lie.  Halifax County has a higher graduation rate than Wake County among ED students.  If you were a parent of an ED student and wanted them to get a high school diploma, why would you not want them to go to a school system where they had their best chance of getting one?

Stan Norwalk is the one who started flinging around accusations of academic genocide, but he sure seems to go silent when the numbers go the other way.

Respectfully

Mudge

Joe, Thanks for making my

Joe,

Thanks for making my point.  Halifax Schools better than Wake.  Got it.

 I will have to get back to you on any further response.

 PKW

You keep working on that ridiculous stance

but the reality and the numbers don't lie!  Would you like to borrow my hip waders?  Mr. "my candidates think we have no MYR and can go to any of 26 schools."  Can I get another piece of propaganda proving your candidate's ignorance and cluelessness to the actual issues parents are facing?? 
Of course I can, the Stan Jr.s are paying for it!

Real Simple

STUDENTS, not schools. You keep confusing the two!

STUDENTS are those living, breathing creatures that either graduate or don't graduate. A SCHOOL does not graduate or not graduate. Got it?

Nice try, but that is not

Nice try, but that is not what I posted (and you avoided answering the question, just like the status-quo candidates do)

John Tedesco

John is still crying? Don't you think it is time for him to move on? Maybe you are wasting your time trying to get him elected in District 2. Since he is so political and knows how to navigate through the legislation, maybe you need to keep him in Western Wake. I believe he works better for you than he does in District 2.

How about keeping to the facts

He lives in Garner. Last time I checked, Garner is not in "Western Wake".

He works for kids and in community service. He works for Big Brothers, Big Sisters, a youth mentoring organization for at-risk kids primarily from low-income single parent families. To me that is exactly the kind of person needed on the BOE.

http://www.bbbs.org/site/c.dfIMKYOAJsG/b.3929513/k.9F6F/Executive_Team.htm

It will take cooperation and collaboration to get things done and improve education, help raise up our students especially those at risk, and build communities. He gets that. Where I come from EVERYONE works TOGETHER instead of against each other like here. THAT is how communities get things done and improve.

To Truitt and Tart, this is

To Truitt and Tart, this is an "election", to John, this is children.

John makes an excellent

John makes an excellent point.  Ms. Truitt is clearly most interested in getting herself elected, even if she loses some of her ability to help D2 citizens in the process.

She and Horace both have paid political hacks churning out their campaign materials.... it shows.

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