Is the Wake County school board being prudent or overreacting with all the additional security measures in place for today's meeting?
As noted in today's article, new measures in place are more than just requiring people to have tickets to be inside the board meeting room and excluding the public from the meeting room for the work sessions. You've also got extra police officers for today and physical barriers being erected to prevent people from waling up to board members in the board room.
"We've had concerns raised by our security department," said school board chairman Ron Margiotta. "We're following their recommendations."
But Yevonne Brannon, chairwoman of the Great Schools in Wake Coalition, was livid about the changes.
"It's so sad," Brannon said of the new measures. "This is not necesssary. This really is unfair."
Brannon said it's unfair to working people to have to get there as early as 10:30 a.m. to get a ticket. She argued that the current system was working with security not letting people in when it got too crowded.
But Margiotta and Michael Evans, Wake's chief communications officer, said the Raleigh fire marshal raised concerns about the crowd blocking safe access out of the board room. That's why people won't be allowed to stand against the walls or in the aisles in the main board room.
People will also be required to leave enough space in the hallways leading outside the board room instead of bunching together.
This effectively reduces the amount of people who can be inside the room or close enough in the halls to hear what's going on.
But Margiotta said the tickets will help allow people to leave the room to use the restroom without worrying about not being allowed back inside.
Brannon is also fuming about media and staff only being allowed inside the board conference room for the budget work session and the committee of the whole meeting.The public will be able to watch a video and audio feed from the main board room.
Evans said the fire marshal was comfortable with limiting access to the work sessions. Evans said crowds at recent work sessions had stretched into the hall outside the conference room, blocking up the exits.
The COW meetings are normally held in the conference room. But the COW meeting was moved to the main board room on March 2.
Brannon said the work sessions should have stayed in the main board room.
School board vice chairwoman Debra Goldman said staff had asked for the budget and COW sessions to be in the conference room because of the long agenda. She said it made for a more intimate meeting.
"Intimacy isn't the goal," Brannon said.
If crowding was such an issue, then Brannon said the meeting should have been relocated to a larger venue such as a high school auditorium.
Margiotta said they might move future meetings if the crowds remain this large.
Now we come to the barriers that will be erected in front of the dais where the board members sit in the main board room. You won't be able to walk up to the board table any longer. Board members will have to leave the dais to speak with people.
Goldman said the barriers were put up in the main board room for crowd control and to safeguard the confidential documents that board members have at their seats.
You'll also see four armed law enforcement officers at all times at the meeting. That's up from two at the March 2 meeting.
Police and sheriff's deputies weren't normally at board meetings before December. They were sometimes at reassignment public hearings for the old board.
Security in general has been increasing around board members.
Security officers now walk board members to their vehicles. Margiotta said that was implemented after one of the new members was accosted by a member of the public.
UPDATE
School board chairman Ron Margiotta decided today to keep holding the budget work session and committee of the whole meeting in the board conference room rather than moving it into the main board room.
The four minority members said they'd prefer to meet in the larger main board room. But majority members said they were already set to go in the conference room.
Margiota said hed be the "bad guy" and keep the meetings in the conference room. He said it's easier to hold the work sessions in the conference room.
Margiotta pointed out that the public, which isn't allowed inside the conference room, can watch it in the main board room via a video feed.

Comments
No doubt about it in my opinion
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 23:12 — louiselee44The extra security was needed and appreciated.
For vs Against
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 08:00 — AgentPierceThis whole mess has deteriorated into nothing but mud-slinging. If "the eeeeevil new school board" was not taking security precautions then their whining enemies would be belly aching about that.
The board will vote on their issues and the assembled mob will scream and rage and do what they do and the N&O will report it in their predictable inimitable way.
Vandalization
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 17:41 — SDR256And even with all that security someone still managed to vandalize John Tedesco's car during the meeting.
yeah
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 23:11 — louiselee44Keung, can you post about that (when you get a chance to come up for air)?
I saw Tedesco as he was returning from checking out his car. Of course, he took it in stride and didn't let it upset him.
Ah Mudge
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 07:16 — choice4allI hope people at today's meeting will remember that there likely will be students in the room and act like adults.
What is sad is those were the adults. Their behavior was disgusting. The grandstanding of the Rev Barber was disgusting. The singing, shouting, loud speeches for the press were disgusting. IMHO Ron needs to bang the gavel at any peep. Do like the sergent of arms at the general assembly and throw the rascals out on their bums and not tolerate any of this behavior. Frankley I am surprised, given the lunacy of the fringe left, that TSA is not there for security checks.
Has it only been 3
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 07:56 — shank56Has it only been 3 weeks?
I'm gonna miss Woodhouse doing his best " Andrew Guiliani" impressions- mugging for the camera, waving his sign. Then again, maybe he'll be first in line and back in camera range.
And Good Lord, I hope security gives Ron a straight shot to the men's room too.
Woodhouse
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 23:47 — jgegbgmgI understand that Woodhouse wouldn't attend today's meeting because of the limitation of holding up signs and yelling !!!!!! Can you imagine having someone like him leading your group !!!!!! He is such a loser !!!!!!
I definitely agree with the
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 06:59 — jenmanI definitely agree with the fire marshal about making sure that the path of egress is open. An emergency requiring evac would have been frightening last week, or any other week when the crowd filled the hallway.
I hope people at today's
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 06:53 — CaryCurmudgeonI hope people at today's meeting will remember that there likely will be students in the room and act like adults. I can hope anyway....
Have You SEEN The NameCalling...
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 13:36 — chaboard....and nasty comments the new board supporters HERE have directed the students who dared to show up and speak at the last couple meetings? I don't think it's the opposition you have to worry about on this count.
Charlie, My comment was
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 13:46 — CaryCurmudgeonCharlie,
My comment was meant to apply to both "sides" and had nothing to do with this blog. I am hoping everyone at the meeting today can act like adults -- last time, they didn't.
Tomorrow
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 13:52 — Dove314Are you going to be at the WCSA meeting tomorrow night?
students
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 08:01 — turnerk1I doubt there will be students "in the room" since they would have to skip school to get a ticket. The way the board has gone about things has done as much as anything to encourage the behavior at board meetings. When they disregard their own rules, spring agenda items on people with no warning, spend 5 hours in private discussing one person and only about 30 minutes in open meeting discussing changes as to how every child in the system will be assigned to school, it is no wonder that people are frustrated. If they would SLOW DOWN, actually discuss what they want to do and how to implement their ideas in a way that will help ALL students, meetings would calm down quickly. They are on a school board and their job is to educate the public about what they want to do. They are doing a terrible job at educating anyone about anything (including themselves).
The agendas are so packed with items that there is no way they can adequately discuss or think about the implications of their changes. Just look at today's meeting. They have not considered the implications of any of the changes in assignment they are talking about making so many of these kids could easily end up being reassigned quickly or attending over crowded schools. The change to elementary school start times could easily lead to many more people needing before school care, but has anyone made sure there is even capacity for a large increase in that program? What about the safety implications of many more elementary school-aged students being left home alone waiting for the bus? I haven't even gotten to the second reading of the assignment resolution!!
Don't "taze" me bro!
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 09:03 — g88ky07No students in the room? That will make for a much more productive day then.
As for Yvonne, "she's upset", "she's fuming", "she's furious", Oh my, I'm so sorry. I'm sure no one meant to upset her.
Was she this ineffective as a county commissioner and when did the "Queen of Divisiveness" serve in that role?
"She said it made for a more
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 06:50 — carson79"She said it made for a more intimate agenda."
A more intimate agenda? What does she mean? I must be misunderstanding. A more intimate meeting? That would make sense, but how would the agenda be more intimate.
I assume that she meant
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 07:00 — jenmanI assume that she meant meeting too. The smaller room and having people sitting around the table is definitely more conducive to a work session.
You're righ. I meant to type
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 07:54 — KeungHui (author)You're righ. I meant to type intimate meeting. Apparently it's easier to interact with the board around the table in the conference room than in the main board room.
put the table on the stage
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 07:11 — hmoncelleHarry_Moncelle
The new majority has made it clear that they have no interest in holding public meetings in a location that is public friendly. How about setting up board meetings to take place in the high schools around the county? These meetings would rotate from school to school; seating capacity would be improved by the use of gyms or auditoriums. The public would have access to a public meeting without the issue of tickets and waiting in long lines to enter. Who do these folks think they are “rock stars”? They work for us, they ran for the job on their own volition, I don’t feel sorry for them I do feel sorry for the public of Wake County who are putting up with these petty politicos.
Huh...
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 08:42 — Bob_SconceThe Gallery in the US House of Representatives also holds a tiny number of people, with far more restrictions than the WCPSS board has. Should Congress have conducted its health care proceedings in, say, Redskin Stadium?
You're making a silly argument. The main reason for a public meeting is so the public can know what's going on. And, you can get that through video, just like you can with C-Span.
"The new majority has made
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 07:44 — woodstockWhat are you talking about? The board holds meetings they same way they been held in the past. Plus Margiotta allows public comments to continue far longer and with much more leeway than Rosa Gill ever did. Did you complain then?
Also, the board just got done conducting a series of community engagement meetings are various high school across the county? Did you attend any of them?
Woody,
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 08:13 — hmoncelleHarry_Moncelle
Yes I have attendend them. The business of Wake County Schools should take place in communities that the school baord is working for. Not in some small conference room where the public is limited in its seating. It is a public meeting, it needs to take place in a location that provides seating for the public. Our high schools would be an excellent venue for these public meetings.
So, in your view, should we
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 08:28 — woodstockSo, in your view, should we expand your idea to include the city council, the county commisioners, the legislators, etc? Who will pick up the added expense for the larger venues and increased support staff needed? Should the state legislators have meeting at locations across the state?
Let me get this straight
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 07:34 — choice4allSo Congress should hold their votes/meetigs in the Superdome perhaps? Sheesh.
Thenew majority holds
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 07:15 — CaryCurmudgeonThenew majority holds meetings in the exact same place as all the boards before them.
and they need to be just as
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 12:21 — jeannie84and they need to be just as accessible to the public they now serve
Crum..new majority old majority
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 08:06 — hmoncelleHarry_Moncelle
I think the School Board Meeting s need to take place within the county, where the public can view and attend without tickets, lines, etc. Why not use the facitlites the public has paid for to conduct the public business?
Constantly amazed
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 07:26 — Dove314I'm constantly amazed at how many excuses are made for the reckless and arrogant actions of the current board given the disdain posters purport to have held for previous boards, as if the board majority bears no responsibility for how this process has evolved.
Dove, Take a breath. I
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 07:36 — CaryCurmudgeonDove,
Take a breath. I don't condone some of the actions of the new board. But when they hold the meeting in the same room as all boards have, you just can't make a case that there is some conspiracy to shut out the public. If they had moved their general board meeting to a smaller venue, then you might have a point. Anyone who is not in the room can watch the proceedings on live feed. Anyone who wants to speak will be given the chance.
Sign of the times ... if
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 10:38 — user12345Sign of the times ... if people supported them, they would seek a bigger venue to bask in the support, but given their poor approval rating, they want to limit the number of dissenters. It is so much harder to do the wrong thing when real affected citizens are looking directly at you …. though the new ones really don’t pay attention … often passing notes and whispering to each other.
Anyone?
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 10:09 — Dove314Sorry to be passionate but this is important and frustrating. Not everyone who wants to speak will have an opportunity and some who need to speak will never be asked or heard.
If everything goes perfectly, perhaps 100 people will speak, ~ 40-60 of them before the board goes ahead with their vote with the remainder after.
Just yesterday you stated that it was unreasonable to allow everyone who has an opinion to speak as that would be an undue burden on the board and take too long in calendar time. Funny how we always have time to do something over and make corrections but never have time to do it properly in the first place.
It truly is the methods of this board majority I find most destructive, not their idea of neighborhood schools.
"It truly is the methods of
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 10:55 — CaryCurmudgeon"It truly is the methods of this board majority I find most destructive,
not their idea of neighborhood schools"
Sorry Dove, I don't believe you. I think if the board spent a year debating this, published agendas two months in advance, and allowed 10,000 people to speak, you would still be completely against the direction they want to take our schools. Oh, and all along the way you and others would continue to pick apart every single thing the board members did or said, hoping to hit on something that would change the board's direction.
You couldn't be more right
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 13:17 — g88ky07that is exactly how it would go, with all of them!
2 words.
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 13:40 — Dove314Grow up.
That's your bad then.
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 11:11 — Dove314Well thanks for directly suggesting I'm being disingenuous or even flat out lying. nice.
How about we start with I think there is some merit to considering ways to either have AG magnet high schools comprised totally of a lottery entry to insure more fair acceptance of all AG kids or distrubute AG specific schools around the county? Does that fit your obstructionist suggestion?
Guess I'm wrong to want to think the board should hear from those families in Southeast Raleigh who didn't have a candidate in the election and who are one of the groups likely to be most highly impacted but I won't mind a bit if they say they'd love a community or neighborhood school.
How about I'd like to know more and have enjoyed TPG's posts challenging me to compare Policy 6200 and the new resolution to look at similarities and differences and learned from the exercise.
How about I also enjoy seeing TPG's and klanders posts focused on student achievement and learn from them daily.
But, as usual, that kind of thinking isn't what you want. You don't want measured acceptance and any qualifiers. The "If you're not with us, you're against us mentality" is losing traction and getting stale.
You've repeatedly stated
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 07:48 — woodstockYou've repeatedly stated that "you don't condone some of the actions" of the school board. What do you mean by that?
What "reckless and arrogant
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 07:31 — woodstockWhat "reckless and arrogant actions?" What are you talking about? Is every action you disagree with reckless and arrogant?
Nope
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 07:41 — Dove314It isn't about disagreement. Let's turn this around. We're not going to agree but I've shared my perspective on the board while you elect to share you perspective of me. Instead of attacking me, I'd like to hear your opinion of the board and the board majority specifically. If you were to critique this board and how they acted to date in comparison to how previous boards have acted, what would you say? I'm not talking about what is in their resolutions, I'm talking about how they've conducted themsleves. How do they rate (as objectively as possible)?
I am not attacking I am
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 08:11 — woodstockI am not attacking I am seeking understanding. I know you do not agree with some things the new board is doing, but the words "reckless and arrogant" go beyond mere disagreement. I just wonder what you mean by that.
As for my opinion of the new board. I believe they are trying to be more family-friendly with a focus on individual students even if it upsets the current political and social activists powers that be. I think the old board was more inclined to view themselves as THE experts and power-brokers with a focus on an overall system performance; they did not sufficiently consider the real-world challenges and burdens they too often placed on students and families. This approach alienated many parents, left too many at-risk students vulnerable because their needs were never addressed, and perpetuated the idea that healthy schools and over all stats were more important than healthy students.
..
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 10:27 — Dove314Reckless -- because they put the cart (assignment) before the horse (knowing in detail what they are doing). They use words like "Objective data driven" but then act before they have any data to support where they are going, only providing data on where WCPSS has been.
Arrogant --from the time they were sworn in, they've elected every opportunity to highlight they are in power from the way they put Margiotta in as chairman to stacking committees to changing the way agenda items are introduced to the way resolutions are introduced.
They are alienating parents just by virtue of their conduct. I'm neither a political nor a social activist. I can see merits to what they propose to do but think there are some issues that should be addressed up front. But that is not acceptable. Dallas Woodhouse's quote from the paper today says it all. He said "It's time for the community to accept the school board elections and the school board's vote". No community input desired.
i don't think so
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 20:45 — red_balloonNo community input desired.
I think input is welcome if only to appear collaborative. To what extent that would shape the future model is an unknown. Anyway, I think there is interest in community engagement. I thought there was an amendment to that effect.
Do you have any idea of how
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 20:37 — woodstockDo you have any idea of how government works? You seem to be very naive.
Do you really think a new majority would be elected and they would not appoint a new chairman that better represents their views?
Did you think Obama would keep Bush's cabinent?
Do you think the Democratic led congress would appoint Republicans to chair key committees?
see, I said you were
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 21:07 — user12345see, I said you were predictable ... a four question mark post ... not a record but on track ... no substance or facts ... just endless questions ...
Awe
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 20:57 — Dove314Let's turn the focus back to the board instead of again with the snide comments.
I'm not naive although I sometimes wish I were.
Or are there other taunts are you going to try to pass off as trying to get to know me? Other info you'd like to make an insult later instead of telling us how wonderful school achievement will be in 9-15 months?
It's funny that you think
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 08:39 — danofncIt's funny that you think the new board has a better handle on "real-world" challenges, since I can't think of one thing they've passed that they actually considered the future ramifications of prior to voting.
The most in-depth analysis has been Malone saying "We made campaign promises, and we have to show people we meant what we said."
Of course, that isn't true when it comes to the transportation savings associated with changing assignment policies, since Malone and Stocking (WSCA) were quoted in yesterday's paper as just making up numbers while campaigning, and Eric Blau said that the entire WCPSS transportation budget could be saved.
Yeah....that's real world thinking, alright.
correction?
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 10:03 — petehsWhere was I quoted as having "made up numbers?" I did no such thing. Please go back and read it again.
Okay, keep the blinders on
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 08:56 — woodstockOkay, keep the blinders on and hear what you want to hear. It doesn't matter really at this point. You can remain on the sidelines and continue your baseless complaining. Change is coming and the students and families of Wake County will reap the benefits.
twins
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 09:43 — stepbystepLately, when I read the strident comments of Woodstock, Dallas Woodhouse's face comes to mind. Neither seems to appreciate or understand what a strong public school system looks like. I've also noticed that attempts at dialogue with ideologues doesn't go very far.
Woody has young kids and not
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 10:24 — user12345Woody has young kids and not alot of life experience ... he just repeats what he is told .... I guess it is a job but a sad use of his talents.
Does it make you feel better
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 10:43 — woodstockDoes it make you feel better to think you understand my experience or what my motivations are?
Do you honestly believe I am paid to post here? If you only knew just how silly that is...
you are just a bot
Tue, 03/23/2010 - 18:47 — user12345Woody .... you have no life experiences ... TPG owns coming from a poor background experience, VOR has valuable military experience, Bob can give us legal advice and Eric and Todd provide good analysis for discussion ….all your posts are questions to deflect providing original analysis or alternatives ... you agree with everything the new board does without question ... you attack anyone criticizing the board ... even a normal person like CC has reservations ... Why? , How? Does? make up most of your sentences ... you repeat the party line over and over to stay on message and keep the blog in line ... you attack people to discourage them from participating ... I think I could program most of your posts ...