If you missed last week's article, Wake may have to raise school breakfast and lunch prices.
Food and labor costs are going up, according to Marilyn Moody, senior director for child nutrition. She said there's also been a big drop in sales of a la carte items, the things that balance the budget.
But the reason that drew the most questions at a school board committee meeting earlier this month is that more families are applying for federally subsidized lunches.
Moody told board members that Wake is seeing a doubling in the number of applications for free and reduced lunch. It's a factor as Wake gets reimbursed $2.57 for each free lunch student while it costs $2.91 to make the meal.
The increase in lunch applicants drew questions from school board member Ron Margiotta. He asked Moody about articles in the Carolina Journal that reported that a school district audit resulted in 64 percent of families losing or getting reduced lunch benefits.
Click here for a July article from the Carolina Journal and here for a November article. The Carolina Journal is a publication owned by the conservative John Locke Foundation.
Margiotta's questions drew an indignant response from Moody, who said she had "found a lot of fallacies in the reporting."
The audit, which is required of all school districts, looks at a random sample of people whose income is close to the eligibility limits. Click here to see the income limits.
Some people had their benefits reduced because the audit found that they had underreported their income. Others were affected because they didn't respond to requests for more information.
Moody said the people who were audited were an "error prone group." She said you would be "making assumptions" to say that it was due to fraud that those people lost their benefits.
Moody said some people might not have responded because they had felt intimidated.
For people who undereported income, she said they may have marked the wrong column on the application form.
Moody said people might have rounded off their income with no intention of committing fraud. She said that leaving out the cents changed their eligibility.
Moody said you can't assume the audit findings for these people represent the entire population of F&R families.
The validity of the F&R data is important because Wake uses it to determine which elementary schools will get funding for Title I and other programs. It's also used in reassignment to help balance schools.



Comments
Fraud rampant in F&R Program
Sun, 01/04/2009 - 08:49 — kmisegadesWidespread fraud in the F&R program has been recently reported here:
http://www.carolinajournal.com/articles/display_story.html?id=5095
http://www.carolinajournal.com/articles/display_story.html?id=5056
http://www.carolinajournal.com/articles/display_story.html?id=4881
Last year, only about 5% of families in Wake County with children qualified for food stamps, but nearly 30% of all school-aged children were enrolled in the F&R program. Plenty of justification for a full audit of the program but WCPSS, NCDPI and the USDA are blocking all attempts. Where there is smoke, there is fire.
The bottom line however is simple: if you can't afford the diapers and a bag lunch for your child, don't have kids,
Don't expect your neighbor to pay to feed the child you created.
Kent Misegades
Sad
Sun, 01/04/2009 - 10:05 — ncdad1“Don't expect your neighbor to pay to feed the child you created.,”
That is so sad. You would have kids go hungry to teach their parents a lesson. You have been blessed with intellect and skills, many opportunities and a string of successes in business. Most successful people like you would use the last part of their life to help those less fortunate not make their lives more miserable. It seems like a real success and challenge for your skills would be to transform a high F&R school to compete with the like of a high income, low diversity school likeDavis Drive . That would be a lasting legacy for the community and a true test of your ability.
Context is key
Sun, 01/04/2009 - 09:43 — Dadof3Thanks for pointing out the fraud abuse -- no surprises, really. Just denials from the "wanna look good" crowd. When will the N&O lend its august name to further journalistic investigations of such abuse?
However, in the context of public policy "poor families should haven't children" is a rather pernicious statement, although I do agree with "don't expect [or force] your neighbors to pay."
Dad3,""don't expect [or
Sun, 01/04/2009 - 10:10 — ncdad1Dad3, ""don't expect [or force] your neighbors to pay."" We are paying $7000x3=$21k to educate your three children of which you only pay $3000 total per in property tax and you don’t want your neighbors to be forced to pay?
Run along, calumnibot
Sun, 01/04/2009 - 10:40 — Dadof3I don't have time to waste on your pathological irrationalities.
Sad when your logic is
Sun, 01/04/2009 - 12:18 — ncdad1Sad when your logic is turned back on you. You worry about less than a dollar for a poor kids meal and suck up $21k in public funds for your kids.
Run along calumnibot
Sun, 01/04/2009 - 13:43 — Dadof3You're arguing with yourself
What is needed?
Tue, 12/30/2008 - 21:49 — SDR256Keung, What is needed to apply for free and reduced lunch? Are there any checks on what is provided?
Even if you are caught, there are no penalties
Tue, 12/30/2008 - 23:19 — Voice_of_Reason_The worse that has ever happened to anyone in the US is being dropped from the F&R roles. There has never been a prosecution for fraud even when information was provided to the USDA. The random sample is so small, most will never be asked to verify anything.
Click here for more info on
Tue, 12/30/2008 - 23:09 — KeungHui (author)Click here for more info on Wake's application process. Unless you report an income that's high enough to put you in the range to be audited, you won't get checked unless Wake finds some cause to do so. Those checks, outside the audits, are pretty rare. But Wake does warn people on the application that they're subject to verification.
question?
Tue, 12/30/2008 - 13:43 — AngelaWis it a requirement to provide school lunches to buy? we never had that in elementary school....
Yup....
Tue, 12/30/2008 - 16:25 — Bob_Sconce§ 115C‑263. Required provision of services.
As a part of the function of the public school system, local
boards of education shall provide to the extent practicable school food
services in the schools under their jurisdiction. All school food services made
available under this authority shall be provided in accordance with standards
and regulations recommended by the Superintendent of Public Instruction and
approved by the State Board of Education.
Thanks Bob. So this is
Tue, 12/30/2008 - 16:57 — AngelaWThanks Bob.
So this is strictly a NC Statute thing....and as usual pretty loose...."to the extent practicable"
$2.91?
Tue, 12/30/2008 - 13:25 — Bob_SconceIf lunch costs $2.91 to make, then why is the district selling it for $1.75 to $2.00? I understand subsidizing lunches for those who can't afford to pay for it, but why subsidize it for those who can?
Why not just increase lunch prices as of 1/1? If it costs $2.91 to make a lunch, charge $3.00. Over the course of a year, that's $10M in savings. Some parents will realize that they can make lunch cheaper by themselves, and the total cost of providing lunch to students will go down! That's a net win.
Moody says that raising
Tue, 12/30/2008 - 13:38 — KeungHui (author)Moody says that raising prices will discourage students from buying lunch, leading to them going hungry or bringing unhealthy food from home. Hungry kids will be less likely to do well academically.
Child Nutrition is supposed to be self supporting so they lose money on the meals while making it up on the a la carte items. You'll find the a la carte items at the bottom of this link.
slightly OT
Tue, 12/30/2008 - 17:42 — fiestamomWhen we moved here, I didn't realize there was "ala carte" items at the cafeteria in elementary school. As a good parent, I dutifully sent in $25 bucks thinking that was going to cover my 3rd grader for at least a couple of weeks of lunches. After about 5 days of school, he told me he was out of money! I figured out that he was buying A LOT of ice cream sandwiches, moon pies, etc. Needless to say, I only allowed him to get one treat a week after that. LOL
Same here!
Tue, 12/30/2008 - 18:35 — duvalWe had a similar situation. A few years ago I learned after my 3rd grader had blown threw $52.50 in a month that I could write on my check "For Lunches Only," that way he could only buy lunch, and no snacks.
I ate lunch with him shortly after and saw all of the "extras" available. If I were a kid I would want those too! Slushy drinks, chips and cookies just to name a few.
We now pack lunch, and it may not be more economical, but I am able to make sure there are the kinds of things available that I would like my children to eat. Now, whether they eat the items I pack or trade them for "better" stuff is another matter...
Duval...packing lunch may
Wed, 12/31/2008 - 07:25 — rr77rr99Duval...packing lunch may save you money and your child's health in the long run! I permitted my child to buy their lunch at one point and noticed an immediate weight gain. We went back to bagged ...well balanced... lunches and the weight immediately came off. And my child's lunch was a solid P&J sandwich, water and apple! Not expensive, not fancy, but well balanced and healthful.
Pizza sticks, nuggets, syrup covered fruit...not good.
Breakfast doughnuts, french toast sticks with syrup....not good.
Where's Dr. McLaurin in this? She was complaining about it at one point, but dropped it. Someone behind the Golden Gates on WF Road must have sat her down to 'splain to her that actually serving up food with real health value is way too expensive and since WCPSS is in the business of social wealfare and not education, they have to provide countless meals for children whose parents are spending their food stamp money on other things. It's up to WCPSS to save the children, so ... corn dogs it is. (Too, harsh?)
WCPSS needs to get out of the short order cook business. They need an outside vendor to come in and provide a bagged lunch... one choice that's it. The kids don't like it, too bad. Learn to like it, it's how come we all at liverwurst as kids! Our parents didn't take no for an answer, just eat it and be glad you have it because there are starving kids in China!
And another thing, the kids don't have enough time to even eat lunch anyway. The less choices, the faster they will get through the lunch line and have actual time to eat. Has anyone ever actually volunteered in a lunch room to see all the food that is thrown away by the kids?! Or the stuff that ends up on the floor?
In the high school, my child is encouraged NOT to come to the cafe. They are encouraged to bring something and find someplace else to eat it other than in the cafe due to over crowding and the fire marshalls coming back in!
I guess they need lunch trailers. Hey, there you go, get some of those Hot dog vendors to set up shop in the school parking lots. Problem solved. It's about as healthy as the crap WCPSS is serving up.
same goes, Ms. Moody....why not prove them wrong???
Tue, 12/30/2008 - 12:44 — AngelaWMargiotta's questions drew an indignant response from Moody, who said she had "found a lot of fallacies in the reporting."
Q: So how do you fix it ? A: You can't w/o the feds help
Tue, 12/30/2008 - 10:22 — Voice_of_Reason_The school system can say whatever they like and make excuses for free ride criminals to their hearts desire. They are unable to check because the USDA will not let them check more or less than their random group. I wonder how random equates to error prone group?
Of course if everyone lost their integrity and applied, it would really screw up their computer program; I think it would be funny to see what they do then. No penalties have ever imposed for the fraud. Then again, if the economy continues going south, this will be a probably happen to a degree anyway.
Maybe they should only use the free lunch students for their economic diversity plan, at least those for the most part must be on food stamps and they have penalties for fraud. Of course they will not because the real reason they continue this program is the NCLB Title I penalties. Title I schools use F&R % to get the federal funds.
Maybe the good news is that
Tue, 12/30/2008 - 12:33 — ncdad1Maybe the good news is that as kids get older they become too embarrassed to apply as shown by the decreasing F&R% as kid move through school. So, by going hungry these older kids may be equalizing the massive fraud people perceive is occurring.
It would be interesting to compare the cost of F&R fraud to income tax fraud in our community to see where the real opportunity is.
Or maybe the kids are old
Tue, 12/30/2008 - 18:47 — vsheehanOr maybe the kids are old enough to understand the paperwork and the parents do not want the kids seeing them committing fraud.
Four excuses and no answer
Tue, 12/30/2008 - 09:49 — Sideburns1. "...the people who were audited were an 'error prone group' ".
2. "...some people might not have responded because they felt intimidated."
3. "...they may have marked the wrong column on the application form."
4. "...people might have rounded off their income...."
So, is the F&R program filled with fraud? Considering WCPSS is hell-bent on constant reassignments based on F&R status, you would think this would be an important question to answer.
An awful lot of "mights" and "mays"
Tue, 12/30/2008 - 17:40 — fiestamomThanks for highlighting this! That's an awful lot of "mights" and "mays" for a county school system basing its whole economic diversity bussing program on the F&R numbers! You'd think they would want to make sure there's no fraud so they're not wasting!! (ahem) gas money in these tough economic times.
These all seem likely for
Tue, 12/30/2008 - 12:25 — ncdad1These all seem likely for low income people. I think what needs to be remembered while some may be trying to stick it to the WCPSS for reassignments through F&Rs there are kids involved behind these numbers that learn better when they are not hungry.
"Considering WCPSS is hell-bent on constant reassignments based on F&R status"
I don't think F&R's are in constant motion causing annual reassignments. I think the reassignments are caused mostly by the non-F&R's creating new communities where there are no schools and WCPSS having to build new schools left an right.
If we could stop the growth of businesses and people coming here, we could stop the building and stop the reassignments.