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Academically gifted students are going to take a hit in the new budget.

As noted in today's article, administrators listed some of the cuts that will be made that will have an impact on the district's brightest kids. Fewer kids will be able to go to academic competitions and schools will have less AG services than normal.

Staff repeatedly said they're only doing this because of the economic conditions.

Funding for new academically gifted teachers isn't increasing to match growth. Wake is expecting to only have one more AG teacher this fall, forcing the district to spread the pot over more schools.

The impact will be most noticeable at the three new elementary schools: Banks Road, Herbert Akins Road and Lake Myra. Joyce Gardner, director of Wake's AG program, said they won't be able to provide those three schools with six months each of AG teacher funding like they have in the past with new schools.

Gardner said she thinks the new schools will get around four months of AG teacher funding.

Then we've got the so-called competition budget, which is being cut from $20,000 a year to $13,000. This line item helps provide some financial support to schools or individuals who are eligible to compete at the national levels at activities related to the curriculum.

Examples of these competitions include FCCLA, DECA, Academic Decathalon and FBLA.

The competition budget is intended to offset registration fees, travel expenses, etc. Staff says students often would not be able to participate without this support.

“With the money we have, I think people will understand," Chief Area Supt. Danny Barnes said of the $7,000 cut to the competition budget.

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Burden Is On Wake Principals To Make Cuts

http://wake.mync.com/site/Wake/news/story/29422/burden-is-on-wake-principals-to-make-cuts/

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The learning centers helped demonstrate how agriculture and natural resources are a part of their everyday world. The hands-on learning activities also made it possible to introduce more difficult concepts, like the relationship between dietary fiber and health, how the food we eat is grown, why honey bees are important to California agriculture, and that people are dependent on watersheds.
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Moving kids up to the next

Moving kids up to the next class is often dependent upon the teachers involved. Our oldest was sent up to 1st grade math when he was in K. His teacher wouldn't send him after the first time because he "came back and bragged that he got to go to 1st grade math". He was FIVE for pete's sake.

Sometimes the schedule doesn't work out, which is what happened in 1st grade but his teacher gave him more challenging work.

Its really a crap shoot when it comes to getting proper services.

Sad part is Kindergarten

Sad part is Kindergarten children who are still end up lagging behind in secondary school, particularly minority, since all children of school system insists on tracking elementary children. Once we got to high school, school system was much more respect. For example, my 6th class child takes 7/8th compact class in mathematics and science compacted into a normal class.

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Moving up

What if the schools allowed children to move up or back grades depending on their level? Would that satisfy the 'boredom' and 'remedial' issues? It would seem that if a teacher is teaching 4th grade math and there is a third or second grader who can do the work, they should go sit there, etc. It would be satisfying the need and using existing resources. Probably too much of a common sense solution to be considered.

My work for some but not others

Like VOR mentioned, there are other factors to consider, so it depends on the individual child. My ES school wanted me to skip 2nd grade, but my parents decided against it because 1) I was very small and 2) I was shy. I do know others (in other schools) that did successfully skip a grade.

Even though I did not skip a grade, I was not bored because of the teaching method my school used. The teacher only direct taught to the whole class for short periods and most of the time was spent working individually or in small groups at our own pace. The teachers would just give me extra enrichment work to work on. There were AG kids, middle kids, remedial kids and a kid is a wheelchair (who did not have an extra assistant) in my class. The other nice thing about it was that if a student was being disruptive, most of the class may not have even been aware of it because we were all engaged in our own work. I have heard of situations here where some AG kids are expected to help out the other kids rather than keep accelerating their own learning, that did not happen in my school.

Already common practice with D.I.

What you describe is precisely what is done at the Thales Academy school in Wake County. It is a fundamental aspect of Direct Instruction. I suggest anyone interested schedule a visit, www.thalesacademy.org   It is the same at our sister schools, the Franklin Academy Charter Schools, has been for over a decade.

I hope your not planning to

I hope your not planning to run for the BOE or publicly back a canadite. Your a complete Nader when it comes to the BOE elections

Usually I agree with you

Usually I agree with you (on educational issues). But, please, stop attacking Kent.

Thanks - no worries

audentes fortuna iuvat

Topic is AG

You are off-topic. This thread is about AG students. I responded to someone suggesting a practice of peer-instruction that is being done for thousands of children in Wake County today with great success.  What does that have to do with the BOE elections? 

But since you commented, Ron Margiotta is my Representative on the BOE, and he hardly needs my support being as popular as he is. I understand there are a number fo good candidates in other districts, which is great news. 

That is at the principals

That is at the principals discretion in WCPSS.  I have seen it happen in a lot of Elementary schools while in others the parents have to get a Lawyer to get the principal to allow it.  We are not talking about being put a grade ahead just taking math class with anouther class.

The sad part is the Kindergarten kids who are ahead end up falling behind by middle school especially minority kids all because the school system insists on not tracking elementary kids. 

Actually it can happen

We were offered to do that with our AG child. We didn't do that because at that age (9) there is also a maturity issue that's in play. We have talked to other parents and they agree, this is not a good solution. Once we got into middle school, the school system was much more accommodating. For example, my 6th grade child is taking 7/8th grade compacted math and is in compacted science within her normal class.

Are these KITs done through

Are these KITs done through WCPSS or is this something extra that your school does on its own. I've never heard of them before--just the 'Explorers' program for 3rd graders.

I'd love to get info on the KITs to see if its something we can do at our school.

KIT is nothing to get REALLY excited about

I have taught KIT at our school as well.  While it is a fun exercise that allows kids to use some critical thinking skills, if you are looking for an innovative, challenging AG program, I personally think you will be disappointed.

The young children who are chosen to participate (who may become AG identified when they reach 3rd grade) do like getting pulled out of class, and this is SOMETHING a little different than the "norm", but nothing to get really excited about.  That's just my 2 cents.

Well given that my child is

Well given that my child is bored in Kindergarten because the teacher chooses to teach to the middle, anything that would break that routine would be welcome.

more like a panacea for

more like a panacea for those identified as AG or will be.

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hey raleighreader,

i used to teach KIT at our old elementary school (pre-MYR). i can certainly fill you in. it was a fun program. our group was organized thru the AG teacher as well as the classroom teacher.

 

The AG program is so small...

..to start with, its going to be about nil if it gets cut more. Its a shame that these kids - the bright future of this country - are getting hit with this. There have *got* to be better places to look for cutting back than this - MYR, busing, growth management...somewhere other than the classroom.

My daughter lived for the AG pull-out services in 4th and 5th grade - it kept her interested - since the basic curriculum was easy. My son loves the KIT sessions (he's in 3rd grade) and I expect to be part of the AG pullouts next year. I hope that can still happen.

Its crazy to think that all teachers can effectively teach 3 groups at one time (some remedial kids, some middle-ground kids, and some quick-learners).

Just one more thing to be upset about I guess.

Could you tell me more

Could you tell me more about KIT sessions? Are they available for 2nd grades?

I've done them for both 1st

I've done them for both 1st and 2nd grade at our school.  It stands for Kids Into Thinking.  I take a group of 4-6 students out of glass for these groups for about 20-30 minutes.  Each KIT has a different topic and about 6 different activities.  Some of the topics I've done cover rocks, shells, inventions, probability.  I attended a training session with the AG teacher several other parents.  You could ask the AG teacher at your school if they do them and if so what grades.

March 12,

March 12, 2009
Editorial
Ending the ‘Race to the Bottom’
There was an impressive breadth of knowledge and a welcome dose of candor in President Obama’s first big speech on education, in which he served up an informed analysis of the educational system from top to bottom. What really mattered was that Mr. Obama did not wring his hands or speak in abstract about states that have failed to raise their educational standards. Instead, he made it clear that he was not afraid to embarrass the laggards — by naming them — and that he would use a $100 billion education stimulus fund to create the changes the country so desperately needs.Mr. Obama signaled that he would take the case for reform directly to the voters, instead of limiting the discussion to mandarins, lobbyists and specialists huddled in Washington. Unlike his predecessor, who promised to leave no child behind but did not deliver, this president is clearly ready to use his political clout on education.Mr. Obama spoke in terms that everyone could understand when he noted that only a third of 13- and 14-year-olds read as well as they should and that this country’s curriculum for eighth graders is two full years behind other top-performing nations. Part of the problem, he said, is that this nation’s schools have recently been engaged in “a race to the bottom” — most states have adopted abysmally low standards and weak tests so that students who are performing poorly in objective terms can look like high achievers come test time.The nation has a patchwork of standards that vary widely from state to state and a system under which he said “fourth-grade readers in Mississippi are scoring nearly 70 points lower than students in Wyoming — and they’re getting the same grade.” In addition, Mr. Obama said, several states have standards so low that students could end up on par with the bottom 40 percent of students around the globe.This is a recipe for economic disaster. Mr. Obama and Arne Duncan, the education secretary, have rightly made clear that states that draw money from the stimulus fund will have to create sorely needed data collection systems that show how students are performing over time. They will also need to raise standards and replace weak, fill-in-the- bubble tests with sophisticated examinations that better measure problem-solving and critical thinking.Mr. Obama understands that standards and tests alone won’t solve this problem. He also called for incentive pay for teachers who work in shortage areas like math and science and merit pay for teachers who are shown to produce the largest achievement gains over time. At the same time, the president called for removing underperforming teachers from the classroom. In an effort to broaden innovation, the president called for lifting state and city caps on charter schools. This could be a good thing, but only if the new charter schools are run by groups with a proven record of excellence. Once charter schools have opened, it becomes politically difficult to close them, even in cases where they are bad or worse than their traditional counterparts.The stimulus package can jump-start the reforms that Mr. Obama laid out in his speech. But Congress will need to broaden and sustain those reforms in the upcoming reauthorization of the No Child Left Behind Act. Only Congress can fully replace the race to the bottom with a race to the top.

I don't like getting political on this site, but

this kind of mentality scares the crap out of me.  While this article resonated with me on the fact that so many schools are playing the game of dumbing down their tests to artificially inflate performance (WCPSS could write the book on that one), I have to agree with the folks here who realize that getting national government involved isn't going to help the situation. 

"But Congress will need to broaden and sustain those reforms in the upcoming reauthorization of the No Child Left Behind Act. Only Congress can fully replace the race to the bottom with a race to the top."

Uh, no!!!!  Scary!!!!  While I'm fine with Federal government setting the tone, and challenging states to get on board, I'd rather see the state of North Carolina handle this one. 

But politics is totally intertwined in schools

It may not be Republican vs Democrat type, but politics all the same.

One problem with the NCLB Act is a lack of a national baseline test. All states make their own tests and use them to grade themselves for the federal government. It would be better if the federal government picked a core learning objectives at each grade level and provided a nation wide test on only those objectives. States would be free and encouraged to add to those objectives, but NCLB criterea would only be based on the federal core objectives. That way if a state only taught to that test they still would be deficient in teaching and would allow local input to set the bar higher.

We need to get away from just teaching the test. I think the federal government test should be basic in nature and focus on subject areas required to function in most jobs; no more. I would also like a requirement for an LEA to offer on an equal opportunity basis all advanced subjects.

Wonder how the NEA would take that idea? BTW the NEA is the number one reason schools are political. Follow the money.

normally I would agree with

normally I would agree with you (and am always the one to question WHY politics is involved in education to BEGIN with, but that's a whole other issue), but seriously NORTH CAROLINA handle this?

perhaps if we had some sort of sweeping election REFORM then perhaps yes, but after 13 years of watching the crap that goes on POLITICALLY with the EDUCATIONAL system there ain't NO freaking way I trust the yahoos in the GA of NC to "handle" this one at all!  (you just watch what comes up next......high schools all go to modified calendar, or at least Leesville High school) 

you do know NC is ranked 44th, right?

Modified Calendar Benefits?

Does ANYONE know what would be the "benefits" of a modified calendar in High School?

The only thing I can see is that students would take exams before Christmas break.  There is NO increase in capacity, NO decrease in costs, and it matches up with multi-track year-round worse than the traditional calendar does.

Sad, Angela, but I think you are right---that would be the next ridiculous "punishment" thrown at the Leesville Community.

No, free markets are the solution

We need less government meddling in education, not more, and certainly not from Washington D.C., not exactly famous for good schools.  Universal vouchers would save us billions in NC and provide children with a world-class education through efficient free market solutions like our Thales Academies.

I am guessing this is a long

I am guessing this is a long term job.  It took years to get schools systems to report the same information in the same format under the NCLB act.   Many people are scared of a national standard because it leads to more federal government involvement in local schools and eventually national curricula that some feel would be manipulated by political ideologs (e.g. sex education, slavery, abortion, genetic inferiority of some races, role of Jews, Imperialism, Colonialism, Western culture, etc. typically surface). I think a better plan is to publish a "de-rater" table that would compare the standard of each state sets.  For example, it would say that NC scores need to be de-rated by 70% to be the same as SC.  Eventually, states will raise their standards under pressure.  Every time a State published their scores there would be a footnote alerting readers how to “normalize” the scores to a national level.  Maybe South Korea should be the golden standard each state standard is compared against to give us a global view.

 

  “Clearly you and I

 

“Clearly you and I see things differently. “

  

Not so, I am not advocating either.  I am just pointing what we are struggling with.  

  

“You promote setting a low standard and if it is achieved, we just send everyone home early.”

  

Not so, I am just pointing out the present system that shoots to get EVERY child across the finish line.   While is would be wonderful if every child was handled to reach their full potential that is not what the system is now and you need to recognize that if you want to change it.

  

 “Your attitude and view point is what is bringing this country down.”

 

Not so, I am just pointing out that there is a concern about the lower 30% kids that we use to expel and that put in prison.   Some people feel that permanent underclass is bringing the country down and have tried to address that in NCLB.

  

“We should invest just as many resources (if not more) in educating and developing the AG student that could be the next Albert Einstein instead of focusing all our attention and energy on doing just enough to "snowplow" the low-performing students over the "minimally proficient" line.”

  

That is one opinion … personally, I don’t know if it is better to have all above average people or some very smart ones and some very dumb ones.  Personally, I think the most productive nations (GDP growth) are made up of a strong middle class of accountants, engineers, small business owners, etc.  I don’t think any country that has a small group of very smart people and a large group of dumb people is productive (e.g. Latin American / Eastern European countries).

 

Russia? India? You should be ashamed.  This is the USA, those places should be taking cues from us, not the other way around.”

 

Most of the technical people who make your life easier (phones, computer, email, drugs, doctors, etc.) are from India.  They filter billion people down using multiple national tests to identify a few very smart people who they highly educated.  They do that at the expense of leaving 100M kids behind uneducated.

 

As for Russia, every Russian exchange student that has stayed with us has come here knowing little English and graduated at the top of the class here.  Every Russian school teaches the same national curricula on the same day from St. Petersburg to Kuril.  No magnets, variation, AG, Special Ed, LE … just one nation marching in unison.  Some would call that efficient.

  

“Free to succeed, free to fail, it was all up to you.  Now we're free to be below average.”

 

As Kent and I keep saying … don’t expect above average from government programs.  Government offering are not designed for high performance.  They produce an average citizen that is employable and can fight if needed.  You will always be disappointed if you expect more.

Sorry User - as I discover

Sorry User - as I discover some drugs for you today I find that my Russian and Indian collegues are no smarter than my American ones.  All, however, believe in achieving greatness and not settling for the status quo or some minimum standard.

User - You can continue to

User - You can continue to expect little but I refuse too.  I've also seen much, much better when the schools were local, the people could get involved and the community was directly related to and a part of the school system.  In those cases, garbage like we get from WCPSS is not tolerated and it doesn't even cost more.  I agree that government has limitations and the more all encompassing it tries to be, the worse it gets.  However, we should all expect more, demand more and achieve more.  If they can’t do it, we should take it back.  WCPSS is a failure.  WCPSS should give themselves up and allow local schools to develop and thrive.

 

If WCPSS had to compare

If WCPSS had to compare there scores nationally, I'm betting this article would never have been written. 

The AG services available in the regular, traditional schools in WCPSS are a joke already.  We are really not losing anything significant with these cuts.  Most non-AG students can easily do well on the EOGs but begin to struggle on a real standardized test.  In order for any test to truly measure ability, all but the top 99% should struggle on one part or another.  If WCPSS had to implement such a test, they'd need their AG kids in top form to help bring up the average.  Instead, the AG kids will top out the EOGs whether or not they get services.  So with that, WCPSS could care less about the needs of these kids.  Once again, all they care about are how the individual schools compare on these rediculous EOGs.  No care for the individual students.  Wasn't that part of their new Code of Ethics?  

One thing you bring up ("AG

One thing you bring up ("AG kids need to be in top form to bring up average") is how we use to do things by educating a few smart kids very well and expelling the low performers to move the average up.   The game now is to move all segments up which is much tougher.  The debate now is if AG kids have already passed why invest anymore in them?   We seem to be struggling between a system that helps the smartest kids get smarter and one that get everyone up to a minimal level.  India gets a few kids to the highest level and leaves the rest behind (100M kids not is any school), Russia use to eduate every kid to a state standard ... societies have to decide what path they are going to take.

For a while, I thought you were getting help

I think you need your medicine again user1234.

The logic here or lack thereof is unbelievable. You obviously don't understand what AG is about. I do, I have a child that's one, and a high need one.

Russia? India? You should

Russia? India? You should be ashamed.  This is the USA, those places should be taking cues from us, not the other way around.  Embarrassing.....it is embarrassing.

Hello out there, we were once a free society.  Free to succeed, free to fail, it was all up to you.  Now we're free to be below average.

We should invest just as

We should invest just as many resources (if not more) in educating and developing the AG student that could be the next Albert Einstein instead of focusing all our attention and energy on doing just enough to "snowplow" the low-performing students over the "minimally proficient" line.

My 4th grader also lives

My 4th grader also lives for the 2, 1hr pull-out each week.  That and PE are the only non-boring things she does all week. 

User...I've heard this garbage from you for months.  Clearly you and I see things differently.  My kids go to public school to learn and be taught.  They should receive as much attention as anyone else regardless of their ability.  If a teacher spends X time teach Johnny 4th grader  2+2 she should also spend X time teaching Susy 4th grader algebra if its within her capabilities.  A teacher's job is to TEACH, not set aside kids who already know the subject material.  Anyone can do that. 

You promote setting a low standard and if it is acheived, we just send everyone home early.  That's not what made this country once great.  Your attitude and view point is what is bringing this country down.  I believe we should expect everyone to acheive reach for their maximum capabilities.  I believe we set standards high and if we fall short, we're still better than average.  Under you're system, our best are only average making the rest of us below average.  I suppose you're in favor of the top 1% paying for the entitlements of the bottom 50% which is what we have just acheived in this country.  Its a sad day when >50% of the people think they need extra government support but I guess that's what we've been teaching them in school all along.

AG's are more than good grades - You are WRONG!

An AG or more proper AIG students may not even have good grades if they are not identified and challenged. They are identified via the CoATs (Cognitive Ability Tests) and IOWA tests, which are national tests. If AG students aren't identified early, their talents may not be fully developed and challenged and may turn out to be drop-outs or average students. Traits in these students include laziness. They usually grasp concepts faster than most children and will get bored easily in most classrooms while the teachers teach at the normal pace. Don't try the Lake Wobegon example here. Parents do not have a say if their children don't pass the tests, even if they feel their child is smart and makes straight 3's (that straight 3's is where your analogy is applicable).

Your schools and most private schools deal with these children with ability grouping. Public schools actually have an advantage here because of numbers of AIG children. The problem here is they don't take the advantage to excel in this area here in WCPSS.

Lake Wobegon

So, Wake County has a fairly educated work force with a bunch of engineers, professors, chemists and so on.   I suspect that Wake County has an above-average portion of above-average children.

 

Compared to what?

No doubt. Smart parents generally have smart kids. But when the standards are low (not me talking, but result from US Dept. of Education studies), they will not do well against their peers in the best schools of Singapore, Finland, S.Korea, etc., and that's all that matters. But NC uses its own ridiculously simple ABCs tests, making it impossible for us to measure performance.   Other studies document that the kids pursuing teaching degrees in UNC schools are the bottom of the barrel from high school graduates. Again- not me ranting but the result of recent studies.  So our kids may be the best of the dumbest, so what?

Or maybe

Wake County attracted a lot to move here from other parts of the country.

AGs are average elswhere

Given that NC's academic standards are the lowest in the nation, parents of so-called AG students should not assume that their children will do well outside the NC government school bubble. Remember, this is a state where some high schools graduate multiple valedictorians and its flagship college, UNC-CH, has a big problem with incoming freshmen stupidity and grade inflation. Like Lake Wobegon, in many NC government schools and colleges, "all the children are above average." The best students are thriving now outside the WCPSS in private, parochial, charter and home schools. Parents, take control of your childrens' futures and reject government-prescribed schools.

Ken go away you give people

Ken go away you give people upset with WCPSS a bad name. Your a lightening rod for the BOE and WCPSS to use as a see see it's not that WCPSS is a mess its just they want vouchers.

If you really wanted to help you would be QUIET!

Vouchers ARE the Solution

With all respect,  vouchers are a great thing and are conceptually no different than the G.I. Bill or the "Smart Start" and "More by Four" programs now touted by the NC government.  With others I fought many futile battles with the WCPSS a decade ago and concluded there was little worth saving, which is why I will continue to advocate for vouchers to provide parents - especially low income ones - real choices, and to save taxpayers money. Sooner or later, those who still dream that their protests to WCPSS will actually help their own children (before they are adults) will wake up and see that I am right.  Why do otherwise smart parents in Wake County accept a mediocre government monopoly - a "mess" as you correctly described it - for the education of their children, no less? Vouchers will end this monopoly, which terrifies our government school industry. Read how voucher programs have had remarkable success in Charlotte, Washington D.C. and elsewhere. I suggest  "Liberty &
Learning" by Milton Friedman for those truly interested in understanding - not demonizing - this wonderful concept.  If you'd like to see the future of K-8 education for our country, I'd be happy to give you a tour of our new Thales Academy in Apex. It has not been open a year yet and we have a waiting list. My name is Kent Misegades, not "Ken".   Call me any time at 919-303-8230, kmisegades@bellsouth.net.

Question about waiting list

You had said not long ago 2,000 are on the list for Franklin Academy, so not being sure how many are on the list for Apex, what does that mean exactly?

What are the odds of those on waiting lists actually getting their kids in when they would need/want to start?

Thanks!

Waiting Lists

Well this is off topic, but: Franklin Academy is a charter school. Enrollment is determined through a lottery. A few weeks ago the N&O reported that there were some 2000 children on the waiting list for Franklin Academy.  I suggest you contact the school for more details.  I am involved in the Apex Thales Academy, the private school equivalent of Franklin Academy.  We had planned for two Kindergarten classes next fall, but these recently filled and we started a waiting list.  Just a few days ago we decided to open a 3rd Kindergarten class. Hard to say how long it will be before this fills, too.  Other grades are getting full, too.  We'll have K-6 in the fall, then K-7 in 2010 and K-8 in 2011. A high school is in the works.

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Or maybe

Let's shut down modulars at some schools and move the teachers. After all, these units are energy inefficient and were supposed to be temporary structures.

Durn it, pesky economic diversity issues get in the way again. Never mind the cost and rationale. Yes I know this is not always practical.

Hey VOR...speaking of those

Hey VOR...speaking of those trailers... what about the lossof heat and A/C that runs up those electric bills WCPSS is trying to "trim".

Lots of doors to the brick and mortar buildings open and close letting out A/C or heat so kids can move in and out of the buildings.

 

I say it again... shorten the school days to 1/2 days. Tier the classes. Without speicals, snack, "centers", group activities, PEPI, and lunch, teachers can focus only on TEACHING math, science, history, spelling and writing and a lot would get accomplished and SAVE MONEY!

It makes it all "fair" across the board.

Towns and churches and volunteer organizations can step up and offer community based art programs, exercise and activity programs, music programs, and "group activities" to supplement what the schools can't "afford" to supply to children and thus, the "it takes a village" concept is met and everyone lives in bliss.

How's that?

OT Debate on Bi-lingual Thu,

OT Debate on Bi-lingual
Thu, 03/12/2009 - 08:06 — vsheehan
OT Debate on Bi-lingual education.
http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/11/educating-immigrants-v...

I know some of you might die before reading the NYT but this is a debate that is well balanced with no academics talking only people that have lived through the educational system of Bi Lingual education. You will like it.

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