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Helping "connect some of the dots" on PLCs

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So will a concerted effort to explain professional learning communities smooth over complaints that many parents have over the new bell schedules?

As noted in today's article, that's the hope of school board members, teachers and administrators who supported dismissing schools one hour early every Wednesday and increasing the number of early release days.

"Once the community knows what it wlll be used for they’ll be able to buy into it with a better heart," said school board member Patti Head.

Three teachers who served on the 40-member time committee that recommended the changes stressed that they had a broad range of membership in the group, including parents.

“Any time you have change you have challenges," said Zora Felton, a Leesville Road High science teacher and member of the time committee. "Changes that are important will meet those challenges."

In theory, this is how things will work on Wednesdays.

During the weekly one-hour early dismissals, teachers will meet in professional learning communities.

On those six Wednesdays when classes get out 2 1/2 hours early for early release, teachers will meet for staff development.

On more than a few occasions Tuesday, board members questioned staff why they couldn't move the early dismissals or at least the six early release days to Friday. That's something that a lot of parents asked about as a compromise for getting the new schedule.

Chief Academic Officer Donna Hargens said the teachers and principals on the time committee strongly felt that Fridays wouldn't be desirable. They persuaded the parents on the committee to back them.

Supt. Del Burns said they need to remember that the purpose of the PLC time is "adult learning." He thought that teachers would be better able to do the sessions earlier in the week.

Board member Beverley Clark said they're more likely to get “dynamic discussion” from teachers in the middle of the week. For instance, she said teachers would be more willing to stay later for these sessions in the middle of the week than on a Friday when they want to join their families.

Board member Eleanor Goettee, a retired teacher, added that it would send a wrong message to teachers to have it on Fridays.

Board member Lori Millberg countered about what message it would send to parents holding those days on Wednesdays.

Goettee responded that "you can’t forget the human resources component."

Millberg retorted that "we ask an awful lot from parents.”

Despite the parental complaints, only board member Ron Margiotta voted against the changes.

"The public is not on board with this issue," Margiotta said during the work session. "I feel an obligation to properly represent the public on this issue.”

In the end, the board said they were doing it to help the children.

“It’s the right thing to do for student achievement," Goettee said.

Clark said "we need to help the community connect some of the dots" on why PLCs are so benefical.

UPDATE

Click here for the schedules for each school. Click here for the list of early releaes days.

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Teach248

I appreciate your comments. I support PLC's in our schools, truly I do. My gripe is this -- why can't the students stay in school and put that hour to use for themselves, while PLC's are meeting, then it could be win-win. I honestly don't think that all those specials teachers are involved in PLC's, so they could monitor study halls (along with PTA parent volunteers ... MANY parents would be happy to give an hour of their time, once, twice or a few times each school year, just for this purpose). Then, while the teachers get the PLC time, the kids are working on homework, or working on group projects (the bane of every parent's existence), doing research in the library, or just READING. Then, the benefit of that extra hour is exponentially greater. 

Right now, we have whole "Harbor Days" at middle schools, just to get kids to read.  Elementary kids have "DEAR time" just for reading.  I just really don't get why they can't stay in school for that one hour a week.

PLC - What's the hurry

Hui - I have tried to research this and got close to the information. Do you know how much State/Local/Federal/NEA/ monies was awarded to WCPSS to implement the PLC - The Wake Partnership has a form online to request monies. Is that why it was so "hurried in" - WCPSS received a large sum of monies for having or initiating a PLC program.

I wonder why they so quickly ran it to district wide instead of running a test and rolling out slowly and benchmarking the program against measurable results.

I'll bet if we follow the money trail we'll learn why the implementation "fire".

OT-alert

State Board of Ed Delays Graduation Project
http://durhamcounty.mync.com/site/durhamcounty/news/story/31161/state-board-of-ed-delays-graduation-project-by-one-year

So now the state adds salt

So now the state adds salt to the wounds of the WC parents...what the??????????????????

SO, the graduating class of this year and next year DO NOT have to do the project (this year's seniors and juniors) but this year's sophomores and freshmen MIGHT have to, unless the state decides to just throw it out the window since school districts do not have funds to "fund" the mentors or carryout the support needed for students to do the project

 

ORRRRRR......... is it because it's affecting the graduation rate? 

*DING*DING*DING*  ...and we

*DING*DING*DING*  ...and we have a winner folks!!

That long...

g88 - It took you 11 minutes to log off and back on as a different user.  Time to move.

Try again

Not everyone operates like you, I have no "diff user" to log on/off with, unlike you who needs to chisel the boe brown off the end of your nose!

ROFL.. really you can do

ROFL.. really you can do that?  How do I get a different user name.... lollllll!!!!!!!

OT-alert

School superintendent to sue state over job
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1469179.html

What If Parents Just Refused???

Boycott - Drop kids off at school at regular time each day - Pick them up at the regular time each day for a few weeks. Just don't do it. Form subdivision carpools and just ignore the new schedule. Get News Teams to cover it at different schools each day. Can we do it?

Then the kids have to go to

Then the kids have to go to the office to get pink slips and they will not give them to them if the parents don't come in, the kids get upset, then in the older grades, the kids get silent lunch ....... you will not win that way.  I don't know what the answer is, but using the kids as fuel to the fire always back fires on the parents, like the days they took them out of school to go protest. 

 The parents would be labeled the crazy ones by the media.

Frustration is building over Wake County's new public school

schedule

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6741928&rss=rss-wtvd-article-6741928

Thanks Angela

Thanks for posting Angela - I hope all the news stations plus this paper start publishing this - I had a feeling that I wasn't the  only one.

  You are welcome, glad my

  You are welcome, glad my "cut and paste" can help :), and oh by far you are not the only one.

Mr. Hui?  How does WCPSS plan to inform all families of these time changes?  There are those who do not have internet access, nor newspaper, nor even media, will they be sending out letters for this ?  or will the schools be expected to inform the parents?

Sorry about the delay in

Sorry about the delay in reading this post. I haven't had a chance to read it until today. Wake is supposed to be implementing an information campaign to inform parents. It will likely include notices mailed to parents and stuff sent home with students.

SupportWCPSS...what are the success measures?

SupportWCPSS, Ok...you and the Board got what you wanted again. We now have the PLC program. Could you please let me know what the concrete measures are that we can use to determine the success or failure of this program? Since this program was so critical to rush through I am assuming that there are concrete measures (not the "touchy/feely" type) that can be reported out on a monthly basis. Since this program places another burden on parents, I would suggest that the Board publish the monthly measurments on the Web site and then re-review the benefits of the program in a year. At that point a determination could be decided as to whether or not to continue with the PLCs. I am assuming that this would be a reasonable request.

Whoa

I never said it was  I wanted.  I simply indicated teacher's I've spoke with and what we have heard is that they need more time to interface with each other to learn best practices and have some consistency in what they are teaching. 

Not everything in this world is able to be measured  as black and white as those on this board seem to think.  Without knowing the details ofthe PLCs the overall goal is to share best practices and look for some consistency.  How do you measure this.  Is it increase performance?  Is it teachers being better supported.  Is it reduction in individual planning time?  Is it less turnover in our teachers because they aren't as frustrated? 

All of those measures are in a black box.  Yes we should find a way to evaluate the use of PLCs but 1) It can't always be measured by a single number and 2) it's not my job to tell them how to do it or necessarily tell them they are wrong by plugging into my vaccumm of a formula that has no justification and means nothing because I stayed at a holiday inn express last night.

I do think it's legitimate to question how they evaluate the success of the  new program.

"Not everything in this

"Not everything in this world is able to be measured  as black and white as those on this board seem to think. "

spoken like a true member of the wake forest rd crew.

You say that, however, the admin. up on wake forest rd. want the teachers to do the same thing and make things not clearly black and white and make it black and white.

YOu are speaking out of both sides of your mouth!. 

 

and...

"All of those measures are in a black box.  Yes we should find a way to evaluate the use of PLCs but 1) It can't always be measured by a single number and 2) it's not my job to tell them how to do it or necessarily tell them they are wrong by plugging into my vaccumm of a formula that has no justification and means nothing because I stayed at a holiday inn express last night. "

once again...the children and the teaching profession...can't always be measured by a single number.....HOWEVER this is what you guys want from a teacher?!?!?!?!

Keep talking supporter...I love to see  someone digging their hole deeper and deeper and deeper.

HMMMM isn't that the

HMMMM isn't that the norm...really enjoyed your response there support!!!

I regret to say that I agree with it being impossible to measure...however, it is impossible because of how this is all set up...there's NO way it will work and create the "success" it is suppose to be.

 As for your question about PLCs

All you have to do is research and figure out what is done.

For me...and my staff.

WE have to come up with yet another strategy...also referred to as "The Teacher now has to become the parent to these low performing children"

We have hashed over hours and hours of ways to meet the needs, hours and hours of ways to implement and target each and every individual need of the children.  A teacher is limited to the manpower and hours we work.

Teachers can not be expected to make up for the slack of the parents that do not parent.  I am referring to parents that don't care for their children, who are negative role models, deal drugs, abuse, neglect, never attend a meeting or conference, never read at night with thier child(ren) and never once sit down to help with their child's homework.  The list goes on and on.  WE the teachers simply are saying, stop MAKING us come up with one more impossible thing to do, where unfortunately the kids we are talking about were born with at least 2 strikes against them in life.  I am sorry for this, I do all I can, but I do have other children with other needs that's just as important as the low performing children.  That need will never change...the only way to change it is...for the world to end ...or we raise them just as soon as they are delivered in the hospital on their birth date.  I keep a record of my children in my room, with every homework list, every email I reply and write, each and every interium report, and every reminder and hint to give to the parents that don't do a thing with their children. That's my proof of what I  do during the day and my connection with my parents.  The ball has to be thrown back onto the parents like I just described.  FORCING us to sit down and talk about the SAME OLE ISSUES year after year....does nothing!  Never has and nothing will.

PLC's will be like TRAILBLAZERS...the best thing...it will solve every problem.  However..the power hungry WCPSS...presented it as... THIS IS the program you will use!  YOU WILL teach this as the only resource. YOU WILL not use other sources, since we want "consistency" across the grade levels.  THIS WILL BE the only thing you use.  Well...the teachers were not fools, we saw right through it.  Year after year...we would get updates of changes and then we would get updates on how to supplement skills that TRAILBLAZERS didn't cover.  It was amazing...OH lets not forget...how Math Trailblazers is here to stay...LOL ...i got so much satisfaction when this was thrown to the curb so fast a few months ago when we adopted the new program.  PLC will be done the same way.  Someone make a note of this...and I'll smile with "glee" in a few years.

My PLC is are more likely different than another schools....due to the principals role, and the goal for that school.  We are just saying...LET ME TEACH...that's what I signed up to do.  I didn't sign up to waste time, writing out a plan, writing out agendas, and notes, and forms...so that we can send them to you SUPPORTER.....so that you can keep your job up there on WAKE FOREST RD>

 Everyone!!!  Supporter here.....just wants me to disclose more and more about "my PlC's" so they can do a little more investigating to find out "where " i work and then they can apply the heat to me! :-)

But I'm not stupid LOL...i'll give you just enough information...but that's it...nothing more and nothing less.

Have a great day guys!!

Parents, go out and talk with your child's teacher...open up a discussion, and listen.  IF you have friends that are teachers...talk with them, lend an ear, you can learn so much.  Supporter....get out of your office...go visit a school and do my dirty work....it won't be long before you will starting whistling a different tune!

I agree with this

"Teachers can not be expected to make up for the slack of the parents that do not parent.  I am referring to parents that don't care for their children, who are negative role models, deal drugs, abuse, neglect, never attend a meeting or conference, never read at night with thier child(ren) and never once sit down to help with their child's homework.  The list goes on and on.  "

Dryer, 

Yeh..I understand this.  I've seen it in  my kids schools over multiple years and this will not change.  "We" will not change this pattern of behavior from the above mentioned parents, and I understand the frustration from the teachers and the parents who have served in classrooms where this is  prevalent (my kids in K-3 had 35% of kids from homes like this).  I was these kids' "school parent", along with others- at great expense.

 However,  having teachers colloborating as a team , analyzing data, and meeting to improve is not a horrible idea- no matter what the academic culture exists in your school.  

So what is your real  problem with having protected time within your workday to analyze, study and reflect? 

 PS:   LOL..parents would have the coaches fired if the basketball, football and soccer coaches, etc.  didn't keep their respective stats, plan  and make adjustments based on this data. 

 PSS:  Look at the sports section each day under High Schools and look at the listings and the stats.  

 

Wow

So much prose and you still didn't answer the question.  Your little facade is up.  Move along.

What????

SupportWCPSS, 

I am not saying that it has to be one number, but I would think that since this is being touted as a great program there must be measurements behind it (I would assume that the Board as part of their fidicuary responsibility would also want this).  How else will we and the Board know if it works or not?  If we find that it does not work, why continue it and continue to  place un-needed burdens on parents?  If we find out that it works and is driving measurable benefits...then great let's continue on with it.  Please let me know what is wrong with measuring it and fully understanding the success or failure of the program? 

Can anyone tell me what goes

Can anyone tell me what goes on in PLC meetings? I'd like some teachers to post their experiences from different schools

Are these meetings consistent in their content from school to school?

Are these meetings left up to administration to prepare and present?

Are the teacher "grade level chairs" responsible for the content of the meeting?

ARe there printed agendas?

Is it an hour's gripe session about out of control and under performing students and how they can bring up their grades and control their behaviors?

Is it about how to get under performing children just to pass their EOG's, Blue Diamond, and other assessments so you can get them promoted and out of your hair and passed along to make them the next grade level's problem?

Are these meetings truly "dynamic" discussions on what applications work in the classroom to further academics?

Why are PE teachers, Art teachers, music, drama, Spanish, band, choral, ...etc teachers asked to participate? What are they sharing in these meetings?

Why can't parents have details on these meetings?

Can parents have agendas from these meetings?

Who can answer my questions so that I can be a parent like "support" and buy into all of this and be a
Sunshine and Rainbows person and support every single thing that Del does? It would improve my blood pressure just to accept it all and be a happy happy happy puppy that follows the pack leader (Del) happily along never asking why ...just picking up the table scraps and being content with that. (or is that Socialism? Hummmm....)

PLCs

I am a classroom teacher in a Wake County Public Schools.  I have taught for six years.  PLCs are very beneficial.  They have shifted the planning and discussion from what teachers are teaching to what students are learning.  By looking at what students are learning or not learning we can gauge what we need to do to help students learn or what we can do for the students who already get it.  The PLC is guided by these four basic questions:

 

1.   What is it we want students to know?

2.  How will we know when they have learned it?

3.  What will we do when students are not learning?

4.  What will we do when students already know the material.

Of all the "fads" I've seen come and go just in my six years, the PLC holds the most promise I've seen in years.  It really focuses on how to help our kids learn.  It's all about student learning and how to accelerate/enrich if needed.  

 

I'm disheartened to see all the negativity about PLCs on this board.   The biggest issue with making them successful is time.  The extra hour is designed to provide more time to discuss student learning.  Lastly, I would like to add that teachers are professionals and we deserve to be treated like professionals.  Some of the comments on this blog or so negative and dismissive of teachers. 

teach248...

Teach248,

Thank you for your comments.  My concern is that all the 1 hour releases and early releases places an extra burden on parents especially since the releases will happen on Wednesdays.  I still don't understand why the releases couldn't be on Fridays....at least that would have allowed for a compromise with parents.  Also, I firmly believe that we need to measure this to see if it works or not.  If there are no measures then there will be no accountability.  If, after a year, the measures suggest success, then yes we should continue it (although the release dates should be changed to Fridays).  In the same manner, if the measures show that the PLCs are not providing benefits then we should stop the program.  Please let me know your thoughts. Am I missing something with this proposed approach?

I LOVE the idea, measure it!

Can we do the same with MYR?  I can tell you after 2 years it's a TOTAL disaster for most parents!  Test scores are no better, too much time is wasted on reassigning tracks because of collapsing tracks, trying to figure out which teachers will pick up the slack for the ones being let go and operational cost differences, needless and now well into the millions!  How much education will that kind of money buy?

So can we stop the program!?

Thank you for the explanation

I hope you have also had a chance to see comments on this blog that are not dismissive of teachers. I think part of the negativity on this particular issue has been a communication and timing issue.

Most parents do not understand PLCs, many have not even heard of them. I'd never heard of PLCs at the school we attended last year. Most parents did not hear about the bell schedule change in advance of the decision. What they do know is that suddenly they have to scramble to rearrange their family, childcare and work schedules for next year for something they do not understand and in which they had no input. I know there were four parents on the committee, but from a parent's perspective unless you were one of those four parents or were asked by one of those four parents, or at least warned by your school, you had no input.

Personally, I think most teachers work really hard and certainly the good ones here do not get paid their worth. I understand that teachers feel frustrated when people do not appreciate how hard they work. A lot of working parents work really hard and long hours too and it feels like that was not appreciated, so parents are feeling frustrated too. I think the not on Fridays issue did not help either, especially with people who are expected to stay until 5 or later at their jobs on Fridays. Wednesdays or Fridays did not matter to me personally, but I think the comment about hurting teacher morale if students got to leave early but teachers had to stay did not come across well -- sort of feeds the "they just want to have their day end by 3:00 and take 12 weeks off per year" misconception.

Also, the overall level of parental frustration grows the more times that it feels WCPSS pulls the rug out from under parents. Some parents have had the rug pulled out from under them at least once or more already with reassignments and MYR. I have. As I put it in another post they have had their carefully stacked house of cards coordinating work, home and school location, work demands, family schedule, and childcare blown down. Personally, I want to keep being a good parent and doing all the right things, but the more times I have to restack my cards the less energy I have to do it all.

I don't know how many schools you have worked in and know you cannot say to protect your anonymity, but is it possible that your school is a model school and another school may not be using PLCs as beneficially? Having been a parent in two different schools, it seems there is a lot of disparity between schools as far as school leadership, teaching methods, vision, attitude, respect for parental input, etc. and I get the impression that at some schools the needs of the above average kids do not get the same focus  -- another source of parental frustration.

I hope that makes sense and I hope you continue to post.

Very Good Post

Falc you have captured what a lot of parents are feeling very eloquently, Thank you.  Unfortunately in this environment it is coming across us against them (the teachers).   And you are right at this point I think people are just very very tired, you can only keep the juggling up for so long.

LOL this is too funny. as

LOL this is too funny.

as I said in a past post...just look up on the internet and you can find the very same information on what "PLC " is all about.

NOTHING you have proven.  BUT good try though.

Whoa

Whoa there...I don't know what was so funny.  I didn't look stuff up on the internet for that.  I was just trying to give insight on PLCs from my experience...sorry I didn't help you.  I can, however, try to answer your questions from above.

 

Can anyone tell me what goes on in PLC meetings? I'd like some teachers to post their experiences from different schools  I sit down with the other teacher on my grade leve.  We look at student assessments, both informal and formal and share/discuss ways to improve. For example, one teacher might have students who did really well and we all can learn what he or she did differently.  The focus is usually on student data.  There's more to it, but that's a nutshell.

Are these meetings consistent in their content from school to school?  Can't speak school to school We meet at the same time and place.  We have an agenda.  An administrator often, but not always comes.  We know ahead of time what we will discuss.  We have to be focused because of the lack of time.

Are these meetings left up to administration to prepare and present?  No, the teachers are the leaders.  Sometimes an administrator will sit in and discuss, but we do turn in notes and an agenda.

Are the teacher "grade level chairs" responsible for the content of the meeting?  We are all responsbile for content.  We usually have an assessment we will review results together and discuss.   We also discuss plans for the next week, what we will do for those the get it and what we will do for those that do. 

ARe there printed agendas? Yes

Is it an hour's gripe session about out of control and under
performing students and how they can bring up their grades and control
their behaviors?  Not in our case.  If this is happening, its not a PLC, its a gripe session. 

Is it about how to get under performing children just to pass their
EOG's, Blue Diamond, and other assessments so you can get them promoted
and out of your hair and passed along to make them the next grade
level's problem?  In my experience with teachers, they care about the students. Its not about getting them out of their hair.  That is a stereotype.  Social promotion is a whole different topic as far as passing students for the next level.  We focus on helping ALL students,not just the "below grade level" students.  WE are not perfect and I'll admit the pressure is on ALL teachers to get the lower students up, but we discuss all students and how to meet the needs of students who get it.  IT's important to challenge them and we do not force feed them stuff they already know.  That is the old way of teaching. 

Are these meetings truly "dynamic" discussions on what applications work in the classroom to further academics? Not always, but we try our best and we will talk about how our PLC went.  The focus in ALWAYS on academics.  ITs not a moan and groan session.  There are definately days when We feel like we had a really good PLC.

Why are PE teachers, Art teachers, music, drama, Spanish, band,
choral, ...etc teachers asked to participate? What are they sharing in
these meetings?  I am not sure about this in my school. 

Why can't parents have details on these meetings?  If a parent wanted information I would be happy to share agendas and even have them sit in, but I would be concerenced about confidentiality of the students because we discuss student scores and progress...so its touchy.  But this comes back to trust.  I expect a certain level of trust from parents that I am doing the right thing for their child, but I would be happy to answer any questions and share concerns/thoughts about PLCs with parents. 

Can parents have agendas from these meetings?  That would be a principal decision.  I would be happy share my agendas if a parent asked, but again I would ask my principal if it was okay.

Who can answer my questions so that I can be a parent like "support" and buy into all of this and be a
Sunshine and Rainbows person and support every single thing that Del
does? It would improve my blood pressure just to accept it all and be a
happy happy happy puppy that follows the pack leader (Del) happily
along never asking why ...just picking up the table scraps and being
content with that. (or is that Socialism? Hummmm....)

I will say that nothing is perfect.  Re-reading my post I made PLCs seem pretty rosy.  It's not a panacea, and I guess I am biased because I think they are a positive experience and in the end have made myself and my grade leve better and ensuring all kids learn and all kids are being challenged.  We have gotten better at them as time has gone by.   Whether or not the whole district should send home students early one hour  a week is a big decision.   I hope it works.  I think, like anything, some schools will use that time very wisely and some will not.  This comes down to leadership and the principal I think and having good teachers.  Again, teachers do not make these decisions.

 I hope to post more in the future if it's a safe environment to post.  It didn't seem that way based on my last post.

Thank you for your post. 

Thank you for your post.  I read it very quickly, and will reread closely when I have more time. From what I did read, you are one excllent dedicated teacher, as are most of the WCPSS teachers that I have dealt with over the last ...almost 20 years now.

I was thinking about this PLC thing and it's almost like Del did it this way to pit parents against teachers.  Let's not let that happen. Teachers who read this, I have nothing against you having an hour more of time , if it pertained to TRUE planning. This one teacher who posted has had a positive expereince. That's one, to the four that I have spoken to that said "another waste of time, I need time IN my classroom to get my paper work done.

Personally, as a parent, I see PLC's as  a way to get the test scores up so WCPSS looks good.  WCPSS is selling teachers on the concept to be "concerned" about the kids, but in my experience as a parent I am not seeing it that way. Why on an elementary level is a "3" score... "okay".  It's not...it's totally teaching to the middle! We have so many talented teachers who are better than this! Who can take children soaring so far above what their hands are tied to do in the classroom by WCPSS. They have pressure to bring these kids who are dumped into their classrooms while being "evaluated" To be removed to a proper classroom. 

Ugh. Yeah, I think this PLC, ending early, half days, screw you parents thing is just a way to drive a wedge between parents and teachers, maybe we were getting too "Snuggly" into listening to some teachers begin to speak out and WCPSS knew that , so this is the bone they are  throwing to teachers to say, "Hey, we are on your side, don't talk to the parents, don't listen to the parents, and whatever you do KEEP YOUR MOUTHS SHUT around the parents."

Me,  paranoid?  Yeah, maybe, but I have not been proven wrong yet.

 

g88 I want the MYR results too. I think Louise is working on that? Right Louise?  I want to know how many are under enrolled, how many tracks collapsed, and how many teachers lost their positions. I know of four at my school. 

Thank you

teach for giving us an overview of PLCs and your experience.  unlike dryer who never actually answered our question regarding their use. Can I ask a follow up.  Do you see a way the PLCs could be measured so we could determine a success factor?

Dryer - the game is up.  So tell us who your alter ego blog name is?

I don't have to play your

I don't have to play your mind games supporter/teach248...I am a threat to you, because I have uncovered the issues here along with expressing my concerns that just so happen parallel to the concerns of the parents in WCPSS.

Find someonelse to pick/bully and try your mindgames with...there's plenty of men/women I'm sure you could play with.

Out of your league

Feel free to bring me down to your level because I've called you out.  But leave teach alone.  She is way out of your league and just gave an objective and honest assessment.

Is that you g88 in diguise??

Agreed

Come on Dryer - you still haven't given us a detailed overview of a PLC.  Just a rant and rave.  Could it be because you really don't exist.

rr77rr99 - there you go labeling people.  If they disagree with you thy are 'sunshine and rainbows' and accept everything. 

You want parents to have agenda and minutes from teacher's meetings.  Wow.. that was not a serious statement, was it??? Couldn't be... you honestly want 50K parents micro managing teacher meetings. 

Seems to me , the focus 

Seems to me , the focus  and goals of the PLC's should be formulated by the SIT and/or  the principal to align with the goals of the School Improvement Plan.  (School Improvement Teams include parent, teacher, administative reps.)  SIT minutes and agendas, along with any SIT formed committees, are public documents.

It would be wise for all principals to communicate the goals of the SIP and how time in PLC's will help the school and students.   I don't think it would be micro-managing to see an agenda or minutes of the meetings.

 For those who say, the teachers don;t want this- the reality is that the state,  districts , principals are being held accountable for scores- ABC's, NCLB.  If this  protected time allows staff to collaborate for improvement, whether for the LI learner or the AG learner, - more power to them.   BUT, the staff whould be held accountable to attend.

 

I didn't say I wanted to

I didn't say I wanted to "micro manage" the teachers, I just want to know, like another poster just pointed out, why these meetings are SOOOOO important that they had to rush this vote through in matter of weeks. 

I want to know what goes on at PLC meetings. As a TAXPAYER I want to know what goes on in these meetings.  As a parent, I want to know how they promote student success and how it is measured (as pointed out by the other poster.)

 I didn't call you "sunshine and rainbows", it was more a knock on ME! I want to stop being the negative person you label me as! I want to buy into all of the crap WCPSS dishes out to parents, but the problem is, I was not raised to sit back and be walked on. What idiots I had for parents, huh?

I feel totally manipulated, walked on, talked down to, igonred, bullied.... by WCPSS!  All I want are answers to my questions.  The question on the table right now , and no one is answering it on this blog anyway, is WHAT PLC'S ARE GOOD FOR?

Are the teachers supporting it or are we being told by the teacher's association they are supporting it.

 

The "decision" to shove

PLC's in our worlds, is good for more destruction to our families with the chaos this will cause many.

We are totally manipulated, walked on, talked down to, ignored, bullied.... by WCPSS!

THAT YOU ARE CORRECT ABOUT!!!! 

The rage burning within you is shared by MANY of us and is the DIRECT RESULT of how we are being treated!

So apologize to no one!

g88, why if there are so

g88, why if there are so many people out there with this "rage" ... do I feel so very alone in all of this?  Yeah, there are a few on the blogs and I have met people who share the same intensity about this, but the majority, they are like beaten down dogs with the , "oh, well, what can you do?"  attitudes.  That frustrates me even more. 

 

Because it becomes personal

when we and our children are attacked by the VERY ONES who are supposedly there to "better" education!

It becomes persoanl when they FORCE you into a schedule you don't want, but can't do $hit about after you have just unpacked your boxes and pulled up the sold sign!

It becomes personal when they pull the crap these people do and leave you wondering, what's next constantly!

It becomes personal when idiots like Stan Norwalk and Harold Webb basically threaten parents that nothing will change "on their watch"!

It becomes personal when people such as these mess with your family, your job, your lives and your children's futures!

And when it becomes personal, the ONLY thing left to do after so much BS is shoved down your throat is spit it back up and in their faces!

Start spitting!

 

You couldn't have said any

You couldn't have said any better rr77rr99.

"oh well, what can you do?" is the same words out of teaches mouths.

If we speak up....and express our views..then people say we are burn out, have an attitude..or ('tude") as someone said to me...LOL...if you feel better say that to me...then I hope today was wonderful for you.

It's time to put that frustration into action and parents you definately can do it...it will be hard for teachers to do that...since on most issues...we are basically sitting on the front line with a gun to our head.  Sorry to say that , but it's TRUE.

OOPS...sorry , guess I shouldn't have said that....I know how nobody this day and time actually wants to hear the TRUTH!!!

I hope this isn't the end of

I hope this isn't the end of this.
I feel so bad for all parents out there, where you are going to have to juggle your time and schedules.
This time will be a waste of time! It will be ONLY for the idiots that thought of PLC and the idiotic leadership that brought this across my desk.
It will not be beneficial to anyone, except the asst. sup. and the SuP....they need the paperwork to justify their position within the school district.
I can only hope PLC will phase out quickly!
The idea and thought behind...yeah...is kinda "good". But actually making that happen and actually getting results...NOPE not going to happen.
I'm tired of siting in a meeting reinventing the wheel...and coming up with the "100th way to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich"....(sarcasm here).
The teachers I work close with, are just tired and worn out...of coming up with ANOTHER idea to help the low kids, when they don't have anyone at home...they don't have parents that care....I know they need the help, but GOOD LORD...I have other kids in my room that need my attention too. NOTHING is done for them. Stop making me come up with ANOTHER strategy....that when you get down to it....YOU CAN NOT MAKE ME THE MAMA/DADDY!!!!!
I can't take on that role and I can't SOLVE every problem.

LEt's not get started on the problems have today....it is getting UNREAL and SCARY too!!!

But all we do is MEET, and TALK, and fill out more PAPERWORK......but I have NO HELP and NO SUPPORT. It is just a dangerous cycle.

http://www.wcpss.net/evaluat

http://www.wcpss.net/evaluation-research/reports/2007/0619plc2006_07survey.pdf

 Thank God my children didn't have a teacher with a "tude like yours.   There must be some private school openings for you.  

 THALES...   Hey Kent...are you reading???   Can you make this miserable teacher a happy teacher at Thales??

 

The truth hurts doesn't it

The truth hurts doesn't it Shank!

Actually, can you tell us

Actually, can you tell us what goes on in these PLC meetings?  Do teachers come together and discuss all the problem kids in their class and how to "handle" them.  You know, the kids whose parents decide they don't want  their kids on meds anymore  (God bless) and they come to school and start swinging from the lights and you are supposed to come up with "strategies", like making the most socialized child in the room (the one that's too scared to make eye contact with the teacher - and says no ma'am and yes ma'am all the time)  be in charge of "out of control child" to set an example of proper behavior.

 Is this what the meeting is all about ? Or are they all about how Trailblazers math IS the end all be all to the new way of teaching children how to rationalize not really being good at math, as "estimating" is the way to go. There's no way to really be wrong when you just estimate the answer.

Or how to "Train" the brightest children in the class become the TA's that will help you,  help the rest of the class who is so far behind that these "bright stars" can now have the "honor" of being mentors instead being "pushed ahead" out of the quagmire of the "middle"  or do you discuss how lessons work and what is not working and how they need to be changed, yet again?

I'd sure like to know what the agendas are for these meetings, since they are pretty "dynamic" and all - only on Wednesdays... can only have meetingson Wednesdays, never on Fridays, only on Wednesdays...only dynamic on Wednesdays... 10 minutes to Wapner..LOL (Sarcasm).... 

Why are you the only teacher

Why are you the only teacher speaking up?  Like I said, parents only need to volunteer one day in a classroom, or at a school event to have their eyes opened.

What an intelligent

What an intelligent question you have expressed here rr77rr99!

Teachers for too long have been looked at as the "lesser" ones in the arena called education.  The profession has mainly been women.  Women are suppose to mild, meek, and obey.  Well, this day and time, WOMEN don't fit that mold anymore.  There's many of us out there working hard for every child our classroom and when the people up in "upper manag." start rolling out the requirements of the "newest" and latest things"  we get our feathers up in a ruffle.  I carry myself as a proud teacher...and a proud woman.  I have a voice.  I am tired of being made out the fool and I am tired of being "bullied" by my so called "leaders".

That's why I am speaking out.  I wish I could get more teachers to come here and share and speak....but they are too "scared"...fearing that somehow they could be "found out".  ISN'T THAT SAD!!!

Isn't that pretty much bullying!!!!  LOL

I'm at the point in my career...where I don't care, I am going to voice my concern and opinion whether you agree or disagree.  STOP pushing more "$hit" across my desk and TELLING me YOU ARE, or YOU WILL do this!   That isn't the approach.  IT certainly isn't the approach I use with my kids in my classroom!  I treat them with respect at all times, and I JUST want that same respect in return from my peers.

As I said before in another post...PARENTS...you are now getting a good taste of the "mess" that teachers have had to put up with for decades.  YOU DEAL WITH IT and move on....LOL....im just kidding...however sadly...this has been the way things have and are done.

Please get the word out....continue to pressure WCPSS.  There's got to be something we can do to save our sanity and save the system from loosing out on good teachers and VALUABLE teachign time.

As a teacher...I would give up every early dismissal day from now to eternity.  This shows how much value they are for us.  JUST LET ME TEACH MY CHILDREN!!!!!  Is that such a hard concept to comprehend and grasp??????

???

I don't think your characterization of teachers are just wanting to be left alone to teach our kids is how all teachers feel, it certainly isn't how I feel and I know a lot of teachers feel differently.  Teachers work best when they are not on their own left alone in their classrooms just to do their own thing and teach.  That is the old way of teaching and we know it doesn't work as well as teachers working together to help all the kids in their grade level and department. 

????sorry but you

????sorry but you interpreted my usage of "alone" totally wrong.

I have always had the honor of working with my team each and every year for 2 decades, we are tired of the outside saying YOU have to meet at this time, YOU have to think of this, YOU have to think of that. 

Hopefully that is a "clarification" so that you don't have to assume anymore.  I have never taught alone...any teacher knows that!!

I TOTALLY get where you are coming from

but, as you said, you said this earlier.

"As I said before in another post...PARENTS...you are now getting a good
taste of the "mess" that teachers have had to put up with for decades."

Don't forget parents TOO have been dealing with this BS for as long as you guys.  You may have had a heavier load of BS than parents in past years, but the crap they have piled on parents in just the last few years probably has parents & teachers running about even with the disrespect & mistreatment!

More of your fellow teachers are going to have to come forward and they are going to have to be like many of the parents now who are throwing it ALL to the wind and could care less any longer about the "blowback."

It's time teachers quit worrying about the "blowback" because if they don't, and we don't ALL come together to expose th truth and oust the idiots, and return common sense to this system, you guys won't have jobs to worry about!

I have heard MANY parents say they are through donating their time, money and supplies.  Principals are taking it upon themselves to change tracks and in many cases without parental input.  Those of us who are getting handed another envelope of dung from the"foot soldiers" are going to return the favor by handing an empty envelope to their schools!

 

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T. Keung Hui covers Wake schools.

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