Does a teacher who works at a high-poverty Wake school deserve more pay than one who works at a more affluent school, such as one in Morrisville?
That's the point argued by school board member Lori Millberg at Tuesday's discussion about whether to apply for a federal grant to offer merit pay at high-poverty schools.
Millberg's point drew some heated responses.
Here's some background.
Staff asked the board to consider what reason would they have to offer merit pay.
Millberg said the reason would clearly be to improve student achievement. She also took on the concerns raised by staff that offering merit pay would lead to fairness and equity issues.
If a teacher was upset about not getting merit pay, Millberg said that the person could choose to work at a high-poverty school that is offering it. She said she didn't consider it to be a negative that only some schools would offer merit pay.
She said that, right now, there are teachers in classrooms which are 65 to 70 percent poor who feel they have a "harder" job. She said those teachers "already feel it's not fair" that they get paid the same as a teacher in Morrisville who has only one poor student in the class.
But school board member Ron Margiotta disagreed, saying teachers in low-poverty schools have challenges too. He said those teachers might be in a class where they're dealing with eight languages.
School board chairwoman Rosa Gill, who is not a fan of merit pay, also said that teachers at the other schools have challenges too.
The board has agreed to continue studying the merit pay issue.

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High Poverty schools are
Wed, 10/14/2009 - 07:28 — FranklynHigh Poverty schools are facing many challenges. There has to be certain regulations done by the Government to redefine the structures of these schools.
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Mon, 09/14/2009 - 04:41 — holland405I agree, school teachers should be paid alot more! They are in control off our childrens life and outcome!
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School teacher hardworkers
Mon, 09/07/2009 - 23:48 — robinson22This not about the payment but the hardwork. The school teachers are certainly working harder for the welfare of the children. Robinson
There is no doubt that the
Sun, 09/06/2009 - 13:49 — Stevenson12There is no doubt that the school teachers should be paid higher than the college teachers as the school teachers are the ones who are shaping the student's life. The student will be knowing what he is capable of while joining the college. So its a easy task for the college teachers.
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Fri, 09/04/2009 - 13:46 — webdesignryanTeachers at high poverty wake schools definitely deserve more pay. It sure is a challenging task to teach school students.
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Great idea buddy...I think
Fri, 09/04/2009 - 03:04 — Peter08Great idea buddy...I think dealing with school kids will be a slightly tougher when compared to college students. They are more flexible buddy.
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I like the idea, but how do
Sat, 08/29/2009 - 13:55 — John09I like the idea, but how do you do deal with high school kids being in school at (approximately) the same time?
It may be that college kids are better alternatives because they have more flexible schedules.
John
Harder to teach?
Sun, 06/07/2009 - 23:44 — SDR256You know it occurs to me that it would be very hard to teach math if you're an English teacher. It would be hard to teach German if you're a French teacher. We have to get over this 'one size fits all' mentality. There are different styles of teaching. Even in elementary school, some teachers do better with the older grades because they don't have the patience for the younger ones. Some do better with the younger ones because they can't handle the older ones. Point is that even all things equal, there are differences that bring out the worst/best in a teacher.
Along those lines, KIPP schools recruit teachers out of school who specifically WANT to work with at-risk children. They are ready and eager for this challenge and are taught the style of teaching that will help them be successful. KIPP programs focus on bringing children to their educational tipping point. What's wrong with more of this 'custom fit' model? It graduates more children at lower cost. And so tell me again why the busing for diversity model is better when 70% of at-risk children in Wake County are failing EOG? I must be really dense. I just don't get it.
OH, or maybe its because I'm thinking about the children and the system is thinking about the system and the $$$ it can get for more Title 1 schools that look 'healthy'. You're right. I'm so DUMB!
Why are KIPP schools, most
Mon, 06/08/2009 - 07:40 — shank56Why are KIPP schools, most charter schools, and private schools successful?
Because a parent or parents, or caregiver(s) search out and make the effort to apply for their kids to attend, education being important to them.
KIPP parents sign contracts to adhere to and support school "expectations" (at least in the school I read about in Halifax?) . The school day is longer, includes Saturday classes.
IMO, more public school LI kids would be successful IF there were more caring and engaged parents interested enough in their kids education to ensure that basic expectations are met - including homework and respect to the teacher.
sure...
Mon, 06/08/2009 - 10:09 — JSBinNCbut many of those LI kids' parents are working 2 or more jobs to keep food on the table, and being involved at their childs school is about 25th on their list of things to do today. These parents might desperately WANT to be at the school - but they also desperately WANT to keep a roof over their head. It doesn't mean they aren't caring or interested. It means possibly that they have more balls in the air than you or I or lots of other people could ever imagine.
It takes a village... but WCPSS keeps burning down the villages.
merit pay
Sat, 06/06/2009 - 15:57 — sanlivMake the lower income schools attractive by giving teachers what they really need-- maybe assistants in each academic subject, and supplies requested by individual teachers which go beyond the skimpy materials meted out. Deliver more out of school experiences with field trips and enrichment opportunities such as dramas and concerts. Raleigh has a world of resources to draw from. Give perks to the teachers for doing that extra drudgery by treating them like humans entrusted with the education of humans. Merit pay itself is so subjective and nebulous. The system of rewarding teachers by their education and experience far outweighs the benefits of career ladder gobbledygook. Educators should be rewarded for being educated, and for working on skills which enables them to draw on their strengths. And give the educators more credit for their ideas for cross-curriculum activities. Ensure that all teachers are responsible for reading, writing, thinking, and computing. Reduce the classroom size in the low income classes, and give the teachers some opportunity to review the children, case by case. The teachers, and the parents, really do know what the children need-- not some pie-in-the-sky central office personnel. How can you get those personnel involved? Have them work in a classroom 50% of the time. Or better yet, give them responsibilities for nurturing the teachers by assisting them on a regular basis. And for goodness, put a moratorium on the testing programs which give the teachers mandates to not teach or create bright and shining moments.
Student Aides
Sat, 06/06/2009 - 20:10 — user1234Why not hire students (Juniors and Seniors) as teacher aides in low income schools? The responsible caring ones (many considering teaching) volunteer now as aides but maybe hiring them would 1) help teacher in low income schools instead of depending on volunteers and 2) give kids a convenient job, money and reference to start life.
Interesting idea...
Sun, 06/07/2009 - 09:54 — Bob_SconceI like the idea, but how do you do deal with high school kids being in school at (approximately) the same time?
It may be that college kids are better alternatives because they have more flexible schedules.
Good point Bob ... I was
Sun, 06/07/2009 - 13:44 — user1234Good point Bob ... I was thinking HS again ... today the student aides get some kind of course credit as an elective for the work ... many HS seniors have finished most of their requirements by their Junior year so having one class as an aide works out while they wait on college ... it might work for ES/MS since again, Senoir typically have a free period they could use at a ES/MS ...
Well if we had a real
Sun, 06/07/2009 - 11:25 — SouthEastWakeMomWell if we had a real Vo-Tech program in this county, you take the kids who are in the early childhood program and send to the classrooms a few days a week or a half day each day with them being in their academic classes the rest of time.
I'm not certain if they're
Sun, 06/07/2009 - 16:47 — ApexterI'm not certain if they're still doing it, but Apex HS had a program that did just that when my kids were in elementary school. It was called PEPI. They would have the high school kids come over and help out in the elementary.
At my elementary, the PEPI
Sun, 06/07/2009 - 21:56 — shank56At my elementary, the PEPI kids from high school helped out in the PE classes -mostly in the afternoon. I don;t recall any doing academic tutoring, but that may have changed.
IMO, schools cannot count on these kids doing "real" academic work. They can be a friend and mentor in the classroom and on the athletic fields. Make them laugh , run , sweat- have someone to look up to.
IMO, they are not qualified to be true teachers' aides that really count academically.
In
Wakefield did PEPI too
Sun, 06/07/2009 - 22:27 — Voice_of_Reason_Not sure how or if it is still there after MYR conversion.
This was something that used
Sun, 06/07/2009 - 17:35 — AngelaWThis was something that used to happen at Leesville Elementary also....no longer.....MYR??
Brassfield still has PEPI
Mon, 06/08/2009 - 10:12 — JSBinNCBrassfield still has PEPI (MYR) and I know the magnet school we are starting at this August also has PEPI.
Do they have PEPI
Mon, 06/08/2009 - 10:20 — Chris_Hover the summer months while traditional high schools are on vacation?
hmm
Mon, 06/08/2009 - 10:27 — JSBinNCI don't know. Definitely for the traditional months they have them... I can't say if there were PEPI kids in July last year.
I was more commenting that our MYR school still had PEPI where maybe others had cut it (someone referenced Leesville above??)
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Not in Wake County!
Fri, 06/05/2009 - 13:45 — g88ky07Patti Head has said for years "teachers are lined up" to work in this Utopia!
Maybe the reason they're "lined up", or used to be, is because they have to work in this system a couple of years to appreciate how little appreciation they'll actually get!
Then they leave and those in line get their turn!
Cut pay across board to fund merit pay
Fri, 06/05/2009 - 09:53 — kmisegadesMerit pay works of course - that's why free enterprise is so productive. But in the case of WCPSS, teachers are already paid enough, putting them way above the national average when cost of living and perks are included in compensation. No federal grant is needed here. Cut pay across the board, then use the savings to establish performance-based bonuses for individual teachers, regardless where they teach. Works in industry & private schools, it will work in WCPSS schools. Unions won't like it of course.
Pay on % improvement
Fri, 06/05/2009 - 11:26 — user1234“Cut pay across the board, then use the savings to establish performance-based bonuses for individual teachers, regardless where they teach. “ If you wanted to shake things up, pay bonuses on % change. For example, if a teacher in high poverty school moved the kids from 30% pass to 33% pass though below the 70% goal would be recognized and say they go a 10% bonus on 10% increase in scores. Other teachers in a low poverty school where 95% of the kids pass, well above the 70% goal, moving the kids from 95% to 97% would result in a trivial bonus. While it is well known that teachers teach for more than compensation, think how it would shake things up if moving kids from 30% to 60% pass doubled your salary might draw teachers out of low poverty schools that have no leverage teaching 95% students. Today, if you are in a high poverty school you know all the kids are never going to get to 70% from where you are starting (e.g. constant 30% for 3 three years) while in a low poverty school, you can lock in your bonus knowing it is nearly impossible for your 95% kids to ever drop below 70% no matter what you do to or for them.
Sure. Absolutely.But,
Fri, 06/05/2009 - 13:24 — shearertwSure. Absolutely.
But, you can't just focus on bringing the bottom up. Teachers who can keep an AG kid motivated and help them excel are no less valuable. Perhaps teacher performance at low poverty schools should be measured by a different indicator.EOG scores for AG kids are a horrible measure of improvement. Perhaps they could use another test such as the IOWA that can actually challenge these kids or, perhaps even parental recomendations to determine bonus/salaries.
Although I've long advocated
Thu, 06/04/2009 - 21:05 — ApexterAlthough I've long advocated for dealing with the discrepancies in poverty levels among the schools by adjusting funding where the needs are greater --- either by paying "extra duty" pay to incent teachers, or pay for more teachers and/or aides to reduce class sizes there, I think it would be wrong to jump on this funding right now, as tempting as it is.
First, our budget is in crisis, and likely will be for years. The last thing we need to do right now is sign on to something that will obligate us to providing additional funding levels for some a couple of years from now when we still have so much uncertainty on how many people we will be laying off due to budget shortfalls.
More important, though, is that what this system really needs to do is sit down and come up with a cohesive, equitable system for dealing with the fact that poverty is not distributed equally around the county.
We are in a crisis now because of the rampant distrust in a school system that is blatantly inequitable, and responds to complaints about inequity by belittling and insulting those who criticize the poor planning that has resulted in our current mishmosh of policies that do not meet the system's stated objectives.
We started with magnet schools in the urban Raleigh core of the county, to incent Raleigh families to attend a lower income school to provide a better racial (and, later, socioeconomic) mix at these schools. Then we added year round schools, which unexpectedly made things a lot worse, since these schools were overwhelmingly favored by more affluent families.
A problem with this system was that the magnets were all concentrated in the urban core of the county, too far away to be a practical alternative for a lot of families on the outer edge. There was not a lot of unrest about this inequity, though, because families were allowed to stay in their own communities. You knew the schools that were available when you moved in there.
Unrest really started when WCPSS decided voluntarily to change from its model of racial desegregation using magnets to one based on socioeconomic desegregation. This was when the community was told that if more than 40% of the students in a school were low income, that was a bad, bad thing. Before this point, the F&R percentages were not widely known, and most people didn't stress out whether the school down the road had 5% more of the demon low income children than their own schools.
The problem with going with this model is that getting ALL schools to <40% F&R could never be practically implemented because poverty is not distibuted homogeneously throughout the county. There are large pockets of poverty in inner city Raleigh and in the rural eastern parts of the county. North Raleigh and Western Wake were, by and large, more affluent.
Now people were VERY conscious of how many of those F&R kids were in their schools, and resentful if their schools approached or exceeded that limit.
WCPSS exacerbated the problem by poor location of schools. First, with the high concentrations of poverty in east Wake, locating magnets in east Raleigh sucked even more of the affluence out of eastern Wake schools. Also, WCPSS chose to export some of the poverty from Southeast Raleigh schools into Garner area schools, even though there was plenty of poverty there to begin with.
When population was growing around the edge of the county, WCPSS chose instead to build new schools inside the "busable rim", locating Dillard Drive and Yates Mill within a mile or so of each other and existing Swift Creek, even though it was clear that the capacity was in critical need in west Cary and Apex. The affluent suburbanites who should have formed the affluent core of those schools escaped the reassignments and instablity by choosing magnet schools instead, leaving these schools underenrolled and high poverty. WCPSS reacted to this by bussing in suburbanites from farther out in the county.
Noting that the voluntary magnets had created the least economically diverse schools in the county, WCPSS reacted by starting to force some low income families into them. Then WCPSS forcibly converted a number of county schools to mandatory year round as well.
This has resulted in a horribly unbalanced system. Raleigh families get a lot of extra funding thrown into Raleigh schools, giving those students the choice between a stable neighborhood school assignment, or a magnet school with lots of extras just a mile or so further away.
This is done at the cost of other schools in the county. They are told that they cannot offer electives that might compete with the magnets. Many of those in the South and East end up with even higher concentrations of poverty as their more affluent students are attracted in to the magnets, or low income SE Raleigh students are exported into their schools to make room for magnet seats in the inner city magnets. Many other cities in the county's edges are forced into having their families on different calendars.
The current system of providing goodies for Raleigh residents while negative aspects are reserved for those in the outer county is destroying public support for the school system. I fear that just haphazardly throwing dollars at a few schools would just create yet another set of haves and have nots among the schools.
Stop and come up with a comprehensive plan that addresses the needs and challenges of ALL the schools in the county. Giving extra funding where there are greater challenges could very likely be helpful in this process ---- but there MUST be a cohesive plan before we muck up the system with even more inequities.
Thanks for the extensive summary
Fri, 06/05/2009 - 16:27 — FalcI've never understood why they built Swift Creek, Yates Mill and Dillard so close together in a semi-rural area, especially as the "affluent" core would also be interested in the YR schools of West Lake and Oak Grove. I figured it was maybe cheap land or further expected growth that ended with the Swift Creek land use plan enacted around the time Dillard and Yates Mill were built. The nearby area did grow a lot in 1980s and 1990s. However, I never thought about a "busable rim."
Another reason the "affluent" core left those schools was out of protest when those nodes were singled out and banned from applying to application schools. I was not aware that suburbanites from further out were bussed in. I was aware that low income students from Raleigh were bussed in to fill the capacity leading to them being higher poverty schools. Lesson being you cannot "fix" a problem by introducing even more inequity into the equation.
You are correct about the need for a cohesive plan. From the things of which I am aware, it reminds me of people trying to play darts blindfolded.
The node the new Laurel
Fri, 06/05/2009 - 21:45 — ApexterThe node the new Laurel Park Elementary is located in, along with a couple of adjacent nodes, were reassigned to Dillard Drive Elementary because the school was way under capacity. Though Laurel Park didn't exist at the time, there were 17 other elementary schools that were closer to these neighbornoods than Dillard Drive.
At the same time, the plan was to reassign MacGregor West and the Buckingham neighborhoods (at the Apex/Cary border) to Swift Creek, but they successfully fought reassignment. Both Dillard and Swift Creek were way under capacity largely because more than 50% of the people who lived in the nodes assigned to those schools had been allowed to magnet out. This meant that the low income kids who lived adjacent to Wake Med hospital who had been given an hour long bus ride over to Dillard to get into a more affluent school ended up having that long bus ride to go into a school that was over 35% F&R.
It would be interesting to see a history of assignments
Sat, 06/06/2009 - 22:53 — Falcby node and school.
I was aware of the neighborhoods that fought reassignment to Swift Creek, but did not know about the nodes assigned to Dillard.
In what time period were the nodes by Laural Park assigned to Dillard? Where are they now? From Dillard's base attendence map, it does not appear that they are still there and neither are the nodes by WakeMed. I think the WakeMed nodes are now at Oak Grove YR as are some NED nodes from Lochmere that used to be assigned to Dillard. They did backfill Dillard with ED/LEP kids from Combs. When Alston Ridge opens two ED nodes near Dillard will go to Alston Ridge. I'm not sure where all that puts Dillard from a capacity standpoint.
Swift Creek was 120+% capacity this year, but is supposed to be around the goal capacity next year.
The 50% magnet acceptence was many years ago? No families in our neighborhood have been accepted to magnets in the last six-seven years and only one to VYR, which was later reassigned. Do you know why more than 50% were let into magnets back then? Were the base schools originally overcrowded so they let many into magnets, then oops realized they'd let too many out of those schools, so then went to the other extreme and banned applicants altogether, which I believe led to a lawsuit that was later dropped when the plaintiff was accepted? Was the magnet lottery originally an actually lottery or has it always been tiered?
This was in reassignments
Sun, 06/07/2009 - 17:23 — ApexterThis was in reassignments for the 2002-2003 school year, if I remember correctly. My current 7th and 10th graders were in kindergarten and 3rd grade at Baucom, and our 3 neighborhoods were reassigned to Dillard, along with an adjacent node that I think had been assigned to Briarcliff.
The year before my older child had started school, our neighborhood had been assigned to Apex Elementary (then a magnet), Apex Middle, and Apex HS. The year he started kindergarten, we were reassigned to Baucom. (We timed it just right to avoid having to change schools.) Some time in the next year or so, our middle was reassigned to East Cary MS. A year or so after that, East Cary MS was moved to Reedy Creek's building during renovation. Eventually, they requested and got reassigned to nearby Salem MS instead, to get back into the feeder pattern with other kids going to Apex HS ---- and a year or so later, Salem MS was converted to MYR (while the elementary kids were still at Dillard Drive.) Finally, last year, the nodes were assigned to Laurel Park.
Yes, I thnk that the F&R kids that had travelled long distances to Dillard were some of the first that were given forced assignments to year round. They got travel even further distances to Oak Grove AND got MYR.
Yes, the fight over the reassignments at Swift Creek and Dillard was pretty much when WCPSS started looking more seriously at what effect having a lot of kids magnet out did to a school. Again, there was pretty much adequate capacity for the time there with Swift Creek, and the nearby Oak Grove for YR. When they opened up Dillard and Yates there just because they would be at busable distances from downtown Raleigh and western wake, a lot of the locals got disturbed at the shakeup. Swift Creek had been a very successful school before that, but with new schools opening up, everyone nearby knew that they were likely to be reassigned. Since these folks were also close enough for magnets to be an option, and nearby Oak Grove was also a popular option, tons of them magneted out. We obtained records from Ramey Beaver's offices and found that over 50% of the families in those nodes had magneted out.
We found that in many cases, those families had been denied by the first cut in the magnet lottery. However, if you had a persistent parent and the magnet school still had a slot open, the parents could normally wheedle the magnet to let them transfer in. As I understand it, that loophole has since been tightened. Certainly, in the year following that reassignment, they began strictly enforcing the rules about not adversely affecting your base schools. As a result, that pretty much closed off magnet or YR magnet options for anyone assigned to Swift Creek, Dillard, or Yates (if Yates was open then. It may have come in a year or so later.)
The lawsuit came from a family who had a learning disabled chilld. Physicians and WCPSS staff both agreed that this child's needs would be better met by the YR schedule, and he lived right across the road from Oak Grove. However, since he had the bad fortune to be starting school the year of the "We must prevent the exodus from these schools" reaction, they told them no way, no how. I think he finally did get assigned there two years later.
Those of us in Cary/Apex were pretty resentful that our kids were being uprooted and forced to travel to distant schools that were outside our feeder patterns to take the places of the families who lived right by the schools. If we'd wanted our kids to travel that far, we would've applied to magnets ourselves. In my case, my priority was that I didn't want my kids to have to ride that long on a bus, and that I wanted a stable assignment to a school that was in our feeder pattern to our middle and high schools.
We didn't get the full details on how the lottery worked until the first year or so AFTER the Swift Creek/Dillard exodus fiasco was discovered, so I'm not certain whether or not it had anything about the effects of your leaving your base school in it then or not. I suspect not. It was not a true lottery at that time, either, though.
Incidentally, at the public meetings about the reassignment, we asked at every single meeting whether our kids would be considered as applicants from our existing school (which was overcrowded, and should have given us priority, even then) or the school we were reassigned to. They told us we would be treated as Baucom students in the lottery. In practice, however, it was clear that they didn't. We had over 40 families applying to magnet and YR schools, and only 1 family got in --- and that was a child in the neighborhood who had previously attended a private school.
Good job
Fri, 06/05/2009 - 09:21 — Chris_HThanks for the history lesson - as you put everything down it really reminded me of how we got here. Very unfortunate.
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Wow
Fri, 06/05/2009 - 00:12 — SDR256Wow, Apexter - thank you for the play-by-play of the horrible events as they unfolded. Its not just about one neighborhood or one inequity - like MYR - this has been a whole saga of mismanagement. Let's start by voting in 4 new candidates who will listen to families and create a plan that is 'user friendly'!
That should be no surprise
Thu, 06/04/2009 - 20:23 — jenmanThat should be no surprise since low poverty schools offer more career and mental challenges than teaching remedial subjects all day.
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I'm not sure that I agree with you on this. It depends on the person who is teaching. My sister in law teaches at an extremely high poverty school that has failed NCLB for a few years now and has no desire to be at a 'wealthy' one. I find it much more rewarding to help a kid who is struggling than it is to help an above average kid. A friend of mine loses her patience with the struggling kids and would much rather help out with the AG types.
I think that it is probably easier to not have to deal with the baggage that some at-risk kids come to school with. But I don't think that its less challenging to teach the lower performers.
Low income = low performance
Mon, 06/08/2009 - 21:40 — klanders65Try to remember, that low performance and low income are two different things. We create a lot of low performers by teaching remedial curriculum to them while teaching the "more career and mental challenges" in the low poverty schools, as you say. We could teach those things in the high poverty schools but we have to spend our title 1 funds on remedial curriculum, so that is what we buy.
I have taught in high poverty schools. So, don't tell me they low income = low performance. It is low income = we create low performance by spending title 1 funds on remedial curriculum.
If we taught that remedial stuff in the low poverty schools, we'd see low achievement there, also.
I agree ... I guess without
Tue, 06/09/2009 - 11:17 — user1234I agree ... I guess without active parents or an advocate (website, PAC, media contacts,etc.) not much will change for these kids as far as expectations and what is offered.
I think there will always
Fri, 06/05/2009 - 08:44 — user1234I think there will always be heroes like your sister-in-law who take on the hardest jobs with the least tangible rewords but they are not plentiful or infinite and can not be dependant to build a workforce on. As was illustrated by the long lines to get a Green Hope interview, there are many who would prefer to teach above average kids. As also mentioned earlier, there is more than compensation (e.g. aides, recognition, training, respect, admin support) that these teachers would appreciate.
be careful not to draw too
Fri, 06/05/2009 - 08:51 — CaryCurmudgeonbe careful not to draw too many conclusions from one teacher's opinion.
I am basing my opinion on
Fri, 06/05/2009 - 10:26 — user1234I am basing my opinion on the one teacher above, three job fairs and conversations with other teachers. Human nature would tell you that people will gravitate to where they get the most (compensation, mental challenge, respect, advancement, support, etc.) for the least (time, effort, etc.) so this reaction should be no surprise.
Totally Agree
Thu, 06/04/2009 - 20:34 — JanisTangoI have a friend who was a teacher and then adminstrator at an inner city school in another state that had 85% low income. When she took over the school it was in bad shape. It took her many years to gain the trust of those parents, kids and community. After several years she did just that and the school/teachers/students did amazing things. She said it was the most rewarding years of her career. Her school was the one of the highest performing schools in that city which no one thought was possible. With that said, my girlfriend is passionate about education and kids and she put 100% of herself into that school (she was single BTW). The downside was she burned herself out after 10 years. Of course the community cried when she finally retired. Those parents, kids and community were all better because of her and her staff. I meet teachers all the time in WCPSS that are passionate about education and kids. I would think we have some like my friend in this area.
OT-alert
Thu, 06/04/2009 - 18:43 — AngelaWKindergartner Brings Gun To School
http://wake.mync.com/site/wake/news/story/36010/kindergartner-brings-gun-to-school
The kid should be removed,
Thu, 06/04/2009 - 20:42 — g88ky07let the parents blame themselves that Jr. can't come back, the parents should be locked up and Michael Evans needs to set a NO TOLERANCE policy and have the spine to enforce it!
"The concern is negligence on the part of an adult."
You think?
What if the gun had been loaded and Jr. pulled it out and it "accidently" shot your child!?
Sideburns--Lori claimed that
Thu, 06/04/2009 - 17:43 — jenmanSideburns--Lori claimed that while they might not have trouble filling the positions at high poverty schools, those teachers are still applying to other schools in hopes of leaving the high poverty school. I'd like to see numbers on this before I believe it to be true.
For many the high poverty
Thu, 06/04/2009 - 19:59 — user1234For many the high poverty schools are just a holding area until they can move to a low poverty school. That should be no surprise since low poverty schools offer more career and mental challenges than teaching remedial subjects all day. If the low poverty teachers don't retire fast enough, the high poverty teacher eventually burned out or become apathetic with so much work, little support or encouragement , and few mental challenges.