Thursday night's community mass meeting at Martin Street Baptist Church dealt with Wake County's new student assignment plan, getting mediation for the school board protesters and assailing the conditions at Walnut Creek Elementary School.
As noted in today's article, most the focus of the meeting led by the state NAACP and the Great Schools in Wake Coalition was on complaints about the assignment plan. The crowd of around 50 people, mainly supporters of the old diversity policy, were urged to contact school leaders to change the plan.
"If you let the plane fly in the air and you don’t make those course corrections that you feel need to be made in order to make it a more successful plan for all students so we have a fair and diverse and well-funded education for all students, then shame on us if we don’t advocate for the changes to make it happen," said Patty Williams of Great Schools in Wake.
The Rev. William Barber, president of the state NAACP, said Wake is "moving from a nationally recognized proven plan to a hypothetical plan."
Barber charged that Superintendent Tony Tata hasn't answered the concerns the NAACP had raised with him at a meeting last year, including:
* Clarifying the percentage goals of minority, poor and low-performing students at each school,
* Data showing that other urban school systems have implemented choice plans that "have maintained greater success than Wake County,"
* An analysis showing the new plan is "empirically better" than the former socio-economic diversity student assignment plan,
* Data showing how the plan will increase or reduce the number of high-poverty, low-performing or racially identifiable schools in Wake.
"We have too much experience, expertise to just trust when it comes to our children," Barber said. "We need facts. We need data."
Williams and Amy Lee of Great Schools made presentations on the plan.
Williams charged that there's not enough capacity to properly have a choice plan. Click here for GSIW's fact sheet on capacity.
Williams cited the example of Daniels Middle School, which she says can hold 405 sixth-graders. But she says the feeder pattern has 431 sixth-graders guaranteed slots and 58 other people who have requested a seat.
Williams said that, based on growth, there could be 519 sixth-graders in Daniels' feeder pattern in 2018.
Tata, who attended the meeting, told reporters that GSIW isn't taking into account that people will request to leave the feeder for schools like Daniels.
Tata said he was prepared to answer questions during the meeting. But the Rev. Earl Johnson, pastor of Martin St. Baptist and president of the Raleigh-Wake Citizens Association, publicly asked school officials not to speak during the meeting. He said they wanted to let the crowd speak.
As a result, Williams and Lee answered questions raised by the audience.
Lee raised concerns about the feeder patterns. Click here for the GSIW fact sheet on feeders.
Lee said the plan "will strand" some 1,100 students who aren't set to get transportation for this fall. She cited the example of Lead Mine Elementary families whose feeder has them going into Carroll Middle but who won't get transportation because Carroll isn't on their choice list
Lee acknowledged that the school board is looking at the issue.
Lee then brought up the feeder impact on Carnage Middle, where the feeder students entering sixth-grade are projected by Great Schools to increase the percentages of F&R and African American students to over 50 percent and also drop the performance composite by 10 percent.
“We’re starting the pathway to resegregation of our schools," Lee said.
Lee also said that the plan appears to be moving some magnet schools below the percentage of magnet students they're supposed to have. She cited Carnage and Centennial Middle as examples.
The first person during the Q&A period was Doris Justice, one of the protesters arrested at the school board meetings in 2010. Click here for her January letter to the editor expressing her dismay about not being able to speak at school board meetings or continue being a school volunteer because her trespassing charge is still pending.
"I was arrested for speaking at the school board for my opinions on holding on to diversity and equal-opportunity education for children," Justice said to applause.
Later on, Lynn Edmonds of Great Schools went up to the podium to give the group's "official position" on the issue of mediation or trials for the protesters.
“We do not support the trials for the protesters that were arrested during that period," Edmonds said. "We strongly support mediation rather than trials."
Johnson asked Justice to come back up to the microphone.
“This is who we are standing up for," Johnson said as Justice received more applause. "People who had the nerve to stand up for what they believed in, who went to jail. We think that is only fair that mediation would take place and that the slate be wiped clean.”
Johnson said he's urging people to show up at Tuesday's school board meeting to ask the board to reconsider its position on mediation. He said he's praying for "a change of heart" among the board members.
"I feel that I didn’t do anything wrong," Justice said to more applause."I have the right to speak. I am a law-abiding person.”
“If I had to do this over again, I am going to continue to stand up for what I know is right," Justice also said, to even louder applause.
Among the questions asked by the crowd was one from Beverley Clark, a former school board member now active in Great Schools.
Based on how many students change schools during the year, Clark questioned whether the new plan will cause these children to miss class while their parents go through the choice process. She said that at least with base schools they'd just start at the new school once they moved into the attendance area.
Later on in the meeting, the discussion turned to the situation at Walnut Creek Elementary. Barber said they're updating their Title VI civil rights complaint with more information on the crowding situation at Walnut Creek.
Barber said that opening Walnut Creek with so many students who were low performing violated the Leandro ruling.
“It’s tantamount to making something sick and then promising that we’re going to make it well," Barber said. "It was an experiment to try to prove that you can make resegregated schools work.”
UPDATE
Based on the comments, some additional details might help. Here is what the Rev. Earl Johnson specifically said after the Rev. William Barber opened up the floor for questions.
"Let me just lay some ground rules," Johnson said. "If you have q question, step up to the mike here and we'll answer questions for you. We're going to ask the superintendent and the school board members to kind of refrain from asking questions and giving suggestions tonight. We just really want to hear from the public tonight. But you all are welcome to stay and talk to the media and us when this is over with."
After the meeting ended, Tata and school board members talked with the public. Tata also spoke with the media. The three new Democratic school board members were at the meeting.
Tata was late to the meeting because he had been attending the school board economically disadvantaged student performance task force meeting that was going on nearby at Hunter Elementary. But some staff members were there for the start of the meeting, including Cris Mulder, who is in charge of the outreach efforts for the new student assignment plan.

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Sun, 02/05/2012 - 10:11 — SideburnsWe're going to ask the superintendent and the school board members to kind of refrain from asking questions and giving suggestions tonight. We just really want to hear from the public tonight.
The three new Democratic school board members were at the meeting.
So, basically this was a dog and pony show so the new Dem school board members can go back to the Board table and say "Here's what we are hearing about the plan...and here are the changes we want to make."
I think they're waiting to make changes to give the appearance of not being political. Even the previous blogger on this thread said "..they (the new majority) wanted desparately to change.." the plan. IMO, they're just killing time until they feel the heat has died down. But, they fail to understand that the longer they wait to make changes, the more disruption they may create.
Hilarious
Sun, 02/05/2012 - 19:32 — valsparIts fun watching you make things up.
Supt. Tata was wise to
Sun, 02/05/2012 - 17:03 — DrActualFactualSupt. Tata was wise to caution the BOE members that altering the plan now would be like moving the 50-yard line in the middle of the game. The district has done a good job in reaching out to parents regarding the choice selections (far better than implementations in the past such as MYR schools). If the BOE members were to alter and/or manipulate the plan in any way by changing/reordering algorithm criteria, introducing quotas, changing feeder patterns mid-way thru the process they will pay a huge price with parents. The BOE members need to allow all families to choose thru all rounds and any tweaks should be part of the annual review prior to NEXT year's choice enrollment period. Many of the problems that have plagued other districts using Mr. Alves assignment plan have cropped up from the district's deviating from the design of original plan. To deviate mid-implementation would infuriate parents who have made their decisions based on the data to date. To interrupt the implementation and manipulate the outcome to the board's desire would seem to jeopardize the integrity and fairness that Mr. Alves said is so vital to the plan.
Community mass meeting?
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 16:21 — EveryoneiswrongI was surprised at the absolute lack of actual Wake County families there. The Q&A session was awkward since there were no parents there to ask questions. The 50 people were 75% NAACP and GSIW members. The other 25% were WCPSS representative and the media. Where were the families?
Never be surprised with this farce
Mon, 02/06/2012 - 10:19 — FSandYOUNo families ever attend any of their meetings, they aren't about family, they are about skin color and skin color only. Families have better things to do with their time. The NAACP and GWISWIIGGWWISW are the equivalent to dog stool.
Bless your heart
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:01 — VillageMentalityI will just let you believe your nonsense and move on.....
THE COURAGE ...
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:12 — ClearThinker...of toilet paper! Bless you!
Shame on them for not letting Tata take the questions.
Fri, 02/03/2012 - 21:38 — raleighlauraThat is just plain rude. I hope the Board members who are members of GSIW are embarrassed by their group's behavior.
SO LET ME ...
Fri, 02/03/2012 - 23:57 — ClearThinker...get this straight, if Rev. Barber attended one of your Tea Party meetings, you would let him take questions, assuming you let him in the place to begin with? I think not.
First of all, Tata wasn't invited. He came because he was fearful that the plan is on shaky ground as is, and the last thing he needs is the old school board's greatest enemies making new trouble for him. So the good general shows up to balance the scales with the news media.
Clever.
If he just wanted to find out what was said, and how it was said, he could have sent someone to take copious notes. No, Tata needed to be there to balance off Barber to the press. If there were any questions that needed to be answered, he could have answered them with the media.
What gets me is that if Barber came to any of your meetings on this blog, you wouldn't let him in to begin with, let alone take questions. So cut the crud! Tata wasn't on the program, and he wasn't ushered out. The meeting wasn't for him, and he was welcomed to stay and listen.
He's a big boy! Let Tata grow up some more!
Don't assume things-you know what they say about assuming things
Sun, 02/05/2012 - 00:39 — raleighlauraI'm a Democrat. And yes, I would happily talk to Rev. Barber at a meeting I attend, especially if I have questions pertaining to the NAACP or the AdvEd Accreditation Complaint. Rude behavior is rude behavior.
So...
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 08:26 — Bob_SconceIf my theoretical Tea Party meeting were about a project that the NAACP were embarking on, and Rev. Barber wanted to come and politely answer questions, then, yeah, absolutely I'd let him do so. Isn't the point to get to the truth?
Let's face it, the biggest detractors and biggest supporters of the assignment plan were in the room at the time. These were the people who know absolutely the most about the plan -- the audience could have learned so much more if they were allowed to engage in a polite discussion about the plan. You don't get to the truth by only hearing one side.
BULL, SCONCY...
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 09:50 — ClearThinker...and you KNOW it.
Tata and the NCNAACP are adversaries!
Tata and GSIWC are adversaries.
Tata was NOT invited (for if he was, your point would be made), but decided to come to hear what was being said, which was his right since the event was open to the public.
Tata did not ask to be invited to speak, thus he was treated as any other member of the public, with courtesy!
If Tata heard something that was substantively incorrect, he could have raised his hand like any other member of the audience, and express his opinion. Barber and Rev. Johnson would have allowed that.
Tata chose not to do so, therefore, he NEVER EVEN TRIED to say anything. Thus, he was never treated rudely.
But the point that NONE of you on this blog seem to recognize is that if it were Tata, NOT Barber, who was having a public meeting in the community about school issues, and questions about the NCNAACP/GSIWC position on the plan came up, and Barber or Brannon were present, they may have been allowed to speak, if they chose, when the time for limited public comment, if any, came about (assuming Tata would ignor the trespassing ban).
But Tata would NEVER, and I think you know this, allow anyone else, let alone an adversary who is taking him to court, literally takeover HIS meeting or the direction of his agenda, by all of a sudden holding an impromptu Q&A session RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF TATA'S MEETING!
Why do I know this? Because if he did, the right-wing cretins on this blog would be up in arms about why Tata even gave Barber/Brannon the time of day! And you KNOW that is true. You would be quick to say that Barber/Brannon "could run back to Martin Street and have their own meeting anytime they want - the Supt. shouldn't waste the public's time hearing from these (fill in the blank)."
You know that's true. Not one of you would have said, " Oh sure, be a standup ex-general, and let the guy who's suing you answer questions at your meeting for 20 minutes!"
Geez, Sconcy & Co....you folks are so blasted biased, you can't even think out of the box. Tsk, Tsk!
It was THEIR meeting, and THEIR rules...and if the table was turned an Tata was in charge, you wouldn't have it any differently! FACT!
So GROW UP and stop beingh so PHONY with this, "he audience could have learned so much more if they were allowed to engage in a polite discussion about the plan. You don't get to the truth by only hearing one side" CRUD! You don't believe that for a moment!
If Tata heard something that
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 21:04 — jeffrey1If Tata heard something that was substantively incorrect, he could have raised his hand like any other member of the audience, and express his opinion. Barber and Rev. Johnson would have allowed that.
Interesting Story:
When I was an officer in the group Assignment By Choice (ABC), I once went to a meeting of the Urban League. The meeting was being led by the Urban League president at the time, Keith Sutton. The meeting was about the alleged threat to the education of African American Students by the policies supported by ABC. I was one of two white people in the room, and took a seat in the back. After several minutes of listening to people speak complete falsehoods about ABC, I politely raised my hand, identified myself, and asked if I could respond. Keith Sutton said in no uncertain terms that I WAS NOT PERMITTED TO SPEAK AT THE MEETING. He, and everyone else in that room, had no interest in hearing from the only expert in the room on the subject.
I have no doubt that if Tata had requested to speak, he would have been declined. That's the way Barber, Sutton, et al work. They have no interest in the qualifications of any speaker that disagrees with them.
Sadly, that doesn't surprise
Sun, 02/05/2012 - 00:30 — jenmanSadly, that doesn't surprise me. I reached out to Sutton back in 2007 when he was Pres of the Urban League and then twice in 2010. Never got any response at all--not even a blow off 'thanks but no thanks'. That says a lot to me about his motivations.
Of course, I've got a friend who was a PTA board member at a magnet school in his district and she said he never responded to requests or invitations from them either.
Well
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 10:33 — Bob_Sconce"The audience could have learned so much more if they were allowed to engage in a polite discusion about the plan. You don't get to the truth by only hearing one side." You don't believe that for a moment.
Well, actually I do believe that. You appear to have a misimpression of what I think. The rest of your post seems to be colored by that misimpression, so I won't bother to respond to it.
GOOD LAWYER'S TRICK, SCONCY..
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 10:46 — ClearThinker....but if you REALLY believed that, you would have been on this blog for many, many months in the past two years urging Margiotta and Co. to DO EXACTLY THAT, and you didn't. You were very satisfied with whatever Ron and John and the rest of their GOP cohorts could do to screw the Democratic minority on the board. And you had no problem even perpetuating many of their lies.
So that "friut of the poison tree" trick is a convenient way of getting around the FACTS as I laid them out.
I accept your surrender!
Cute....
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:29 — Bob_SconceI didn't surrender.
As to your main point, I don't recall there being an analogous situation to this one in the past.
In general, I dislike arguing with you because you often resort to personal attacks, strawmen and name-calling, instead of arguing on the merits. For example, even if you could show that I completely changed my tune in this one instance (which I haven't), at most you would have shown that I was inconsistent; you haven't shown that my argument was wrong.
Please provide us with what lies you are speaking of
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 11:43 — VillageMentalityWow....
I think surrender is a bit premature.
The bottom line is the current democratically controlled board is not any better by any stretch than the old one. You have at least one person on that board who was publicly caught and called out for lying about Tata and was stupid enough to call a press conference and show doctored emails about it. Hows that character ed thingy goin for ya? There may be another soul on the board who embellished some things as well....
At least Margiotta et al was willing to buck the system and adress the elephant in the living room about how wcpss has been failing minority children in particular for years. And they were willing to dramatically shake things up - you just didn't happen to like it.
This meeting was by no means neutral and I credit Tata for having the guts to confront them about their dishonesty for having the meeting in the first place.
OK...
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 13:21 — ClearThinker...your title, "PLEASE PROVIDE US WITH WHAT LIES YOU ARE SPEAKING OF."
ANSWER - "...the current democratically controlled board is not any better by any stretch than the old one."
How wrong, and LIE#1 - ! Unlike the GOP crap artists who led the last board purely on a political agenda, the Democratic majority now are not! The very fact that they've allowed the choice plan to continue, even though they wanted desperately to change it, PROVES THAT! If they were politcally driven, that would have been changed no matter what anybody said.
Not putting politics into educational decisions actually takes us back to the way things were done on the Wake School Board for many years, and that's the way it should always be done.
And as further proof as to how political the previous board was, just look at how many Republicans are now fleeing their sinking GOP shiplike rats - three of the five! Proof that their board service was political opportunism, NOT really caring about the future of Wake County Public Schools, its students or their parents. It was just a step up to somewhere else. Ego-tripping...public service be damned!
That means the "service" of Tedesco, Goldman and Malone was one big LIE! They don't even want to finish out their terms! I'm sure you're proud of that!
LIE #2 - As for the Martin incident, that happened BEFORE he became a board member, not after, so chalk it up to his candidacy, NOT his service!
LIE#3 - Margiotta hasn't done ONE THING to truly help poor black children in the system, and in fact, has stood in opposition to those things that would. That's why he lost. If he did do something, why didn't he tell the voters?
LIE#4 - That you and yours actually CARE about what happens to poor black children. If it's the ame kind of "care" that Ron Margiotta displayed, then thank the Lord that the Dems swept ALL Five seats to rescue those kids from the likes of YOU!
There, lies-busted galore! Happy?
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Sat, 02/04/2012 - 10:29 — SideburnsAdversaries? Interesting word choice. That explains a lot.
WELL, IF I FILED A FEDERAL COMPLAINT...
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 10:50 — ClearThinker...against YOU, or had a major school accreditation agen cy come in and force your lousy politically partisan board to shape up "or else" in front of the world, what would that make us in your mind...Girl Scout cookie partners?
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Sat, 02/04/2012 - 11:11 — SideburnsTata came in after those complaints. And he has handled them professionally and appropriately. He also has taken the time to meet with Rev. Barber and his "team" (or whatever he calls them) in the past. You're assuming Tata feels the same way about NAACP/GSIW as you do about him (which is probably wrong). After last week's meeting, I doubt he puts much credence into what those groups think. That is, if he ever did.
BTW, I thought Rev. Johnson believed Martin Street Baptist Church was a neutral location. At least he believed that when OCR came down for a meeting. Now you're calling it "adversaries territory" -- with captial letters no less. So, which is it?
WEAK ARGUMENTS, AS ALWAYS...
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 13:47 — ClearThinker...Sidebuns (Oh, did I leave a letter out or something???)
If you read back what you wrote in praise of Tata for the way he "handled..." the NAACP complaints "...professionally and appropriately...,"then there can be NO doubt that you also just backhandled your heroes, Uncle Ronnie and Teddy Johnnie, for the extraordinarily stupid, selfish and IGNORANT way THEY "handled" AdvancED and OCR with false reports and empty threats!
So thanks for that. I'll keep it on file.
Next, no matter when Tata came in, ALL of it is his responsibility now. I'm not "assuming" anything about the way Tata feels about the NCNAACP/GSIWC. If he liked them, he would have kept communications open, sought their imput, and would have been rewarded in kind.
Apparently Tata hasn't done that. Thus Thursday night, the "Stay, but shutup" treatment he got. Tata didn't put ANY credence in either group long BEFORE he took a seat at Martin Street. He was there for damage control, NOT to generously answer questions.
As for what Rev. Johnson "believed" per Martin Street when OCR held their hearing, you conveniently forget, Sidebuns (oh I love that name), OCR was in charge of that meeting, NOT the NAACP, NOT Martin Street, NOT WCPSS, and NOT GSIWC!
OCR ran the hearing; OCR set the rules!
Last Thursday, NCNAACP, of which Johnson is proud member, and GSIWC, called the meeting.
Their meeting; their rules.
Tata came unannounced, wanted his behind kissed, they said sit IT down and kiss IT yourself!
And that's EXACTLY what Tata would have said to them if the tables were turned, and he was conducting a public meeting. You don't get to come to MY meeting, and hold Q&A sessions. Period!
And in fact, it is EXACTLY what Margiotta said to Barber when Barber wanted to do a presentation...and take questions...before Ronnie's board back in 2010. Margiotta said NO, we meet privately! Barber refused. So don't hand me this, "Tata was treated so unfairly" crud! It's NOT selling here....(dare I say it?).....SIDEBUNS!!!!!!
SMH
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:05 — AngelaWgood grief, get a hold of yourself and put down the glass, you've obviously been drinking since early morn.
really.....it's embarrassing for all of us, you included.
YES MOM...
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:14 — ClearThinker...please take out the trash...you included!
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Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:03 — SideburnsSo, the church is a neutral ground when someone else is holding a meeting but it's enemy territory when Rev. Johnson is in charge? How very Christian of them.
Did they really say "...sit IT down and kiss IT yourself"?
And what reward, exactly, would Tata be given for keeping open communications with these groups?
ACTUALLY...
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:24 — ClearThinker...ANY facility, church included, that is RENTED for a particular function...weddings, banquets, OCR meetings...are considered "neutral" territory until they are used for a specific purpose.
Rev. Johnson is pastor of the church. He decides who uses it, and who doesn't. Don't believe me, Sidebuns? Give him a call and a date you want!
As for what they said to Tata regarding his wanting to interrupt their meeting with an impromptu Q&A session, you'll have to ask them what they said to him specifically besides "NO," but you certainly have the gist of what I would have said to him, honey!
And as for your last dumb question, turn it around. What "reward"did Margiotta get for keeping lines of communication open with various groups like the Wake Republican Party, Civitas Institute and the Greater Raleigh Chamber of Commerce?
Simple, cooperation when needed, and respect.
Gee, does your brain take the weekends off? Apparently that's when you do your blog too, eh?
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Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:59 — SideburnsRev. Johnson rented the facility to OCR? I didn't realize he charged them. Are you saying then that he allowed the NAACP/GSIW to use the facility for free? Therefore it could be used as enemy territory?
Cooperation and respect? So, GSIW and the NAACP are purposefully being un-cooperative and disrepectful? I thought it was just their nature. After all, their people are in charge now. So, why all the complaining still?
the churchy type
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:06 — AngelaWthe churchy type reward.....obviously.
Clear Thinker = Clear Racist?
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 07:28 — VillageMentalityHow do you know Barber wouldn't be welcomed at a tea party meeting? You do know there are African Americans in the Tea Party yes?
Your assessment of this is clearly Racist and you should be ashamed of yourself. Your post and the activities of GSWC and Rev Barber are meant to divide and conquer - not cooperate and support. So perhaps you had better cut the crud?
GEE, A POP QUIZ!
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 10:06 — ClearThinkerOK, I'll bite!
How do you know Barber wouldn't be welcomed at a tea party meeting? You do know there are African Americans in the Tea Party yes?
ANSWER - because it's NEVER happened, and most likely NEVER will. The Tea Party may have black members, no argument, but ONLY black members who first drank gallons of that BS right-wing "tea" that wants to drive the nation into default, see Sarah Palin as president (like Tata) and make sure all citizens' dogs have photo ID so that when their masters go to vote, BowWow can be easily identified before he takes a leak on a nearby tree to prevent urination fraud!
Thus...and ergooooooo, it is only logical to posit that Rev. Barber would NEVER, as you suggested, be "welcomed" to a madhatter tea party meeting. Hell, if the poor man showed up on this blog and announced himself, half of you would go get your guns, while the other half would cuss him out!
So don't play that "this is clearly Racist' crap on me! You know darn well Barber would be as "welcomed" to a tea party meeting as Barack Obama. Go walk around a lake or something.
And take BowWow with the tree-leak ID with you! You could learn a lot from him!
OK I'll Bite
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 11:47 — VillageMentalityI wasn't going to respond to your idiocy but I just can't resist....
1. I'm not a tea partyer; I am an unaffiliated voter by conscience.
2. Perhaps if your racist overgeneralizations of folks didn't turn people off and/or make them defensive and mistrustful, about the other side, we would have more meaningful discussions, come to a consensus and still let people believe what they want to. It is possible but it appears you have no intention of buying into it...
3. Last time I checked, tea partyers were about fighting against what they believe to be a bastardization of the US constitution. I say good for them for making us all take a look at what's happened to our governement and how we follow and have failed the law.
4. White, Black, Brown, Red, Yellow, Purple, shouldn't even play here. However, at work, I have seen and heard an overwhelmingly racist amount of talk by people of color (who happen to be democrats) regarding their black, white, brown, red, yellow brothers and sisters who identify as republican and/or tea party that defies logic. Your Rev Barber and GSWC and the knuckleheads who hounded the old evil republican majority board school board were great at that race baiting schtick.
5. If you wonder why there is an upswing of unaffiliated voters you need look no further than yourself and your buddies. Repubs need to look too. We are so tired of your crap. I'm just praying one day we will some centrist folks because we need a voice of reason NOT a voice of PARTY.
You are ruining this country for all of us, particularly our children.
FIRST OF ALL...
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:10 — ClearThinker....since you want to do this by numbers, let's get a few facts straight:
1 - I asked raleighlaura the hypothetical Tea Party question, NOT you. YOU were the one that decided to take over the challenge. So who, what, why, where or when you are is YOUR business, not mine.
2 - I'm not sure what "racist overgeneralizations" you're talking about that you think I've made. I've talked politics, NOT race, unless someone brought it up first. I have not called anyone a racist. I know you write a lot of crap, but can you READ AT ALL?
3 - You applaud the Tea Party...whatever turns you on, VM!
4 - If color "shouldn't play here" as you say, then maybe, once in a while, you'll see fit to vigorously admonish blog characters like Sconcy, FS and Useless, Agent Piercy, and of course, the lovely Sidebuns when they employ EXACTLY those tactics in their lie-filled blogs! Let's be fair here, and, oh yeah, one more thing...let's try NOT to accuse folks who never even brought up race in the first place, of being racist. It makes you both illiterate AND stupid!
5 - Actually, of all I have to do during the day, channeling your apparently daily, but delightful thoughts about unaffiliated voters isn't one of them, I assure you. Besides, you really don't know what I am, besides female. So it's stupid of you to presume ANYTHING, other than you don't like what I write. As for being "tired of (my) crap...," TOUGH!!! Free speech in America is a tiring enterprise, but if it wears out folks like YOU who make up imaginary racists without any evidence, then I'm proud to so valiantly serve my country!
And finally, and I'm serious here, you have REAL gall TELLING ME that I'M "ruining this country," when I'll bet you didn't lift one of your illiterate fingers to rid Wake County of the BS GOP-led school board we had. THEY were ruining our county, our school system, our children...AND, ultimately, OUR country... which is why a majority of literate voters here voted them the hell OUT OF POWER! So don't hand me your pious nonsense! I fight for what's RIGHT in this county and nation, NOT stand in the middle like you to see which way the wind blows!
Learn to READ what I wrote before you falsely accuse me of stuff, Einstein!
Wow
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 18:31 — VillageMentalityYou just confirmed my earlier posts - and my worst fears......
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Sat, 02/04/2012 - 00:30 — starsonoursHum your analogy compares Tata taking questions about the assignment plan and Barber taking questions about the Tea Party? Tata is in charge of the assignment plan, so he would be the best person to answer questions about the plan. Is Barber a member of the Tea Party and the best person to answer questions about it? As always your logic is muddy...
Of all the people in attendance Tata was the most knowledgeable about the plan and could give the most informed answers. Having GSIW answer questions about the assignment plan is like letting Barber answer questions about the Tea Party.
OH GOODY...ANOTHER POP QUIZ!!!
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 10:40 — ClearThinkerThese are getting to be fun!
A little too easy to ace, but fun nonetheless!
Let's continue, shall we?
Tata is in charge of the assignment plan, so he would be the best person to answer questions about the plan. Is Barber a member of the Tea Party and the best person to answer questions about it? As always your logic is muddy...
Only to people who are being dishonest...LIKE YOU!
As I have pointed out to the other two class failures...you know, Sconcy and Villagesomethingoranother...Tata deliberately went to adversarial territory NOT to answer questions, but to balance what he was certain would be a one-sided event. Instead of having all of the news reports that night and the next day scream that he has no idea from hell to highwater whether his choice plan will create more Walnut Creek Elementaries (and he admittedly doesn't, thus the, "Let's wait and see" baloney), he shows up to make sure the spin afterwards goes his way.
Otherwise, common sense should tell you, he would have spent his Thursday night at home watching old Sarah Palin videos, and wondering why she won't take his calls urging her to get in the GOP race NOW!
Tata never tried to speak. He could have made a statement like any other citizen at the meeting, but chose not to. But the NAACP/GSIWC were correct in not allowing him to derail their meeting by holding an impromptu Q&A session in the middle of THEIR meeting, unless he was invited to do so.
They don't trust him, and he knows that.
Tata neither trusts, or likes them, and they know that.
Give him credit, he accomplished his mission - he was able to spin the media, ON HIS ADVERSARIES' TERRITORY, after the meeting, PLUS, throw in that "victim" BS about, "BooHoo...they wouldn't let me takeover their meeting with a Q&A...," even though Tata would do EXACTLY THE SAME THING if he were holding one of his public communirty meetings.
Yeah, Tata's the supt., but last time I looked, he was still doing a song and dance about what this choice plan will and will not do, so much so that the new board has put him on notice about what better not happen. So when the guy who "knows best' keeps answering questions with, "Parents, be patient...let's wait and see," why the hell would anyone give their meeting over to him to either keep repeating the same line, or lie like hell when he knows the truth could sink him?
The NCNAACP/GSIWC did right. That was THEIR meeting! As many times as they have been forced to just sit and listen, a litttle of that for ANY public official, ESPECIALLY Tata, is good every now and then.
And this is now!
So GSIW could have asked
Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:24 — starsonoursSo GSIW could have asked questions to the creator of the plan and debated the issue but instead decided they would rather have only one side represented and you say I am being dishonest? Only someone whose position can't withstand debate will be unwilling to debate. To want to only give your interpretation of a plan instead is intellectually dishonest. Keep living in your dream world Muddy, maybe the next "mass meeting" will have more than 50 people attend.
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Sat, 02/04/2012 - 09:42 — Sideburnshttp://my-3-minutes.blogspot.com/2012/02/my-myhow-times-havent-changed.html
Wow, it sounds like...
Fri, 02/03/2012 - 17:18 — midtownmom"dozens" (quote from WRAL) attended the meeting, with most being from out of the area. That should definitely impact the assignment plan.
Williams said that, based on
Fri, 02/03/2012 - 12:08 — jenmanWilliams said that, based on growth, there could be 519 sixth-graders in Daniels' feeder pattern in 2018.
Where is she getting that number?
Oh...
Fri, 02/03/2012 - 13:27 — Bob_SconceThe only way it could make sense would be to add up all the Kindergarten spots this year at each of the schools that feed into Daniels and assume that they're all going to stick around until Daniels and then go to Daniels. I haven't done the math, so I don't know if that's 519 students. If it's not, then the only answer to your question is that she extracted it from her posterier.
Bob?? Should the case go
Fri, 02/03/2012 - 14:21 — DrActualFactualBob?? Should the case go to mediation rather than trial--who picks the mediator? Between a previous article the N&O ran recently and this post it would appear that Beverly Clark is pushing hard for mediation (IMO her GSIW participation, prior BOE member service should make her and the firm she works in off-limits for selection to mediate this case). Do both parties that agree to mediation have a say in who the mediator is? TIA.
Don't know....
Fri, 02/03/2012 - 15:07 — Bob_SconceFrankly, I'd never heard of mediation in criminal cases until this came up -- it doesn't make sense to me, because the victim isn't really a party to the court case. That's why the case is titled "State v. Barber" (or whatever) and not "Wake County Board of Education v. Barber."
Mediation is required in many civil cases, where the mediator is usually selected jointly by the two parties.
I'm glad to hear ou say that, Bob.
Fri, 02/03/2012 - 21:30 — raleighlauraI kept wondering what agreement the arrested people had with the Board that I didn't have! I'm allowed to speak, and am assuming the people of GSIW would support me speaking, as long as I don't violate the rules. I have no idea how the Board can be expected to mediate or come to any outside agreement with the people who got into trouble for intentionally disrupting the meeting by violating the Board's own rules. Otherwise, what is to keep me from deciding to disrupt the next meeting, or for some other group to decide to never let them conduct regular business again. That is absurd!
I think those who chose to use civil disobedience as a PR or communications tactic should be prepared to face the appropriate reasonable consequences, no matter which side of the issue they were on.
'"I was arrested for
Fri, 02/03/2012 - 07:32 — loriac'"I was arrested for speaking at the school board for my opinions on holding on to diversity and equal-opportunity education for children," Justice said to applause.'
Wrong. She was arrested for being part of the group who disrupted the meeting and prevented others from speaking. I guess only her opinion counts.
The Judge will help her out
Fri, 02/03/2012 - 08:09 — FSandYOUHe'll help her, and the rest, understand they are criminals in the eyes of the law.
As for their delusional thoughts, when will they also understand that the assignment plan is a done deal? Their opinions on the issue are irrelevant and always were. Pathetic.
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Fri, 02/03/2012 - 07:30 — Sideburns...and, Carnage, again? Really?
My school has been over 50% f/r for years, where were they then?
Fri, 02/03/2012 - 21:36 — raleighlauraI didn't know that was the point where protestors get involved. If our school is not racially identifiable, is it still protest-worthy?
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Fri, 02/03/2012 - 07:27 — SideburnsTata said he was prepared to answer questions during the meeting. But the Rev. Earl Johnson, pastor of Martin St. Baptist and president of the Raleigh-Wake Citizens Association, publicly asked school officials not to speak during the meeting. He said they wanted to let the crowd speak.
As a result, Williams and Lee answered questions raised by the audience.
LOL. What a bunch of arrogant, misguided dolts. They would rather spread their version of the 'truth' than have the audience get real answers from Tata.
In other words...
Fri, 02/03/2012 - 08:08 — Bob_Sconce"We don't want actual facts here."