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Funding gap narrows between Wake and Charlotte schools

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One of the charges raised during the school board campaign is that abandoning the diversity policy will require a sharp increase in taxes to pay for a system of neighborhood schools such as what's used in Charlotte.

Well, the funding gap this year between the Wake and Charlotte-Mecklenburg school systems is a lot smaller than normal because of the recession. The previously large gap is now down to $3.9 million.

Mecklenburg County commissioners cut the school district's funding by $34 million. This fiscal year's county allocation is $317.4 million. It was $351.4 million last year.

Wake is getting $313.5 million this year from the county. It's either a $3.3 million cut from the previous year or a $3 million gain if you factor in that the the school board gave back $5 million in December to the commissioners.

School leaders in both districts were not happy with the funding cuts.

It's safe to say that this is not how Wake school leaders wanted to reduce the gap. What they've wanted over the years is to raise the county appropriation sharply to get closer to what CMS had traditionally received.

Whether either district gets a significant funding boost once the recession ends remains to be seen.

UPDATE

CORRECTED SIZE OF CURRENT GAP

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Even with the truth exposed,

Even with the truth exposed, don't expect *status quo* to start quoting accurate data. Just like *there are no MYR schools in Wake County* and *WCPSS has a successful diversity plan in place so why mess with a good thing*, they will not fess up and admit the reality. They will rely on the TV media to help keep their dirty little secret hidden at all costs. They have no intention to actually educate the low performing students, now or in the future. Thanks to WSCA, there is hope.

user1234--I would argue that

user1234--I would argue that the larger than average number of highly educated parents in Wake County accounts for some of the success here. Not saying that WCPSS doesn't share some of the credit, just that there are other forces at work.

Using what you said

Using what you said ...

(More highly educated parents) x (lower than average funding per student) = average results .... if average is the goal ... we got the most for the least ...

Maybe Wake Taxpayers are able to make lower contributions because educated parents are compendating for the under funding ... growth of ED and LE% may kill that golden goose ..

I do think that educated

I do think that educated parents are compensating for the under funding.  Not just educated parents, but the large number of stay at home parents and parents with very flexible work schedules in the area who can volunteer at school during the day.  My parents live in a blue collar city about an hour south of Chicago and my mom is continually amazed at the number of parents who work from home or where only one spouse works.  That just doesn't happen in her area.  No tech jobs that can be done from home and the only SAHMs are generally wives of docs or lawyers.  

I don't understand why Wake residents haven't been willing to pony up more $ for schools.  We moved here almost 11 years ago and it had been a problem for years already.   We saw family this summer from the Detroit area, Kansas City area and Colorado Springs.  It was depressing talking about schools with them--they have so many more opportunities than we do.  They were all shocked that our high schools are built without swimming pools, that our new high schools don't have strings programs, our middle schoolers only get one elective, some middle schools don't even have a foreign language, etc etc.  

The thing that really surprised them was that we don't have a 'choice' program for high school.  Its kind of like our magnet system, but when I told them that entrance into the magnets here is mostly based on your SES status and that of your school they were flabbergasted.  Even my uncle who teaches high school in one of the older, less wealthy high schools in the area thought the whole idea was appalling.

Mr. Hui, You should also

Mr. Hui,

You should also note that WCPSS gets significantly more money from the state than CMS does. When I looked at the 2009-10 budgets for both districts, I saw that WCPSS gets $768 million from the state while CMS gets $689 million, a $89 million difference or about $636 more per student. Can you explain this?

Sources:

http://www.wcpss.net/budget/2009-10-bpb/2009-10-bpb.pdf

http://www.cms.k12.nc.us/mediaroom/budget/Board%20of%20Education%20presentations/2009-2010%20Budget%20Request.pdf

The state gap isn't as

The state gap isn't as large this year as the links would indicate but I don't have the exact numbers. Those links reflect the budget requests and not the final budgets adopted after th state cuts. Wake's budget request did not reflect cuts in state funding while Charlotte built in a reduction its budget. But Wake did get a cut of around of around $35 million from the state.

Looking at 2008-09 numbers for an apples to apples comparison, Wake got $753.8 million. Charlotte got $718.6 million. Since funding is based on enrollment, Wake should get more money overall than Charlotte.

Thanks for the

Thanks for the clarification, Mr. Hui.

I am still curious why WCPSS gets so much more state funding than CMS.  I understand that WCPSS should get more funding because we have more students, but the amount per-student seems way to be higher for WCPSS.

WCPSS: $753.8 million / 138,000 students =  $5642 per student

CMS: $718.6 million / 132,000 students =  $5444 per student

Total Difference: $198 per student

Why would WCPSS get more funding from the state than CMS when CMS has such a higher percentage of low income students in schools there?

Also, remember that any

Also, remember that any metrics like graduation rates, EOC/EOG, etc. are a product of years of investment in our kids ... so if the current year is similar it won't mean the metrics will automatically align ... my point on student funding is not the amount or what it is this year but the fact that a wealthy, educated county like Wake has consistently been under what other spend ... which either mean great efficiency by WCPSS (which you don’t want to hear) or they are cutting corners (e.g. books, TA, etc.).

Personally, I would prefer WCPSS be funded at least at the average and that we demand above average results. If people want to fight with taxpayer for above average funding and superior results, I would support that but just want to get to average (NC average, not Fairfax, China, Minnesota, NY, etc. average) first …

I think the posts about Textbooks

I think the posts about there not being enough Textbooks and teachers while there is a $5M PR budget is an indication that spending priorities are a problem.

Here schools have been viewed as a business tool (now who do I keep hearing that from? Lois Nixon) and about keeping up appearances instead of an education tool for ALL students. Therefore, I'm not surprised by where we are. However, Wake is doing better in local funding than state average, but the local funding in NC is FAR behind national average. Historically, education has not been a priority here which is why NC was what 47th? in the nation in education.

The citizens have only been hearing from WCPSS about how great WCPSS is doing. They have not heard that there are not enough textbooks, that far too many ED students are failing to graduate. If all they hear is how great it all is then they will not understand why they are being asked for more money. Also, before people will say yes to more, they need to have faith that what they are already giving is being spent where it makes sense, mainly in the classroom and not on high dollar administration and PR fluff. Make sense?

Funding is made up of local (much larger than federal but a little smaller than state),  state (largest) and federal (smallest). From school data direct in 2006, the local, state and federal pieces = total were:

WCPSS - 3595 + 4526 + 561 = 8682

CMS - 3821 + 4552 + 764 = 9137

State - 2098 + 4918 + 847 = 7863

Nation - 4610 + 4907 + 975 = 10492

My Home (MI) - 3149 + 5283 + 428 = 8860

Appears that for some reason my hometown is getting gypped on federal funding. Keep in mind that the median income there is only 2/3 of Wake's, so on a percent of income basis local revenue there is more.

You will notice that CMS in 2006 had $226 more per student in local revenue. I believe the state and federal differences relate to allocation formulas and as they have more "higher needs" students than WCPSS they have a higher allocation. As you can see both WCPSS and CMS receive less than average in state funding, again due to reallocation formulas, but their total revenue per student are above state average total due to local funding.

To get where we need to go, it's going to take a paradigm shift from A) "we don't have any unhealthy schools (which is load of you know what), all is well", "spend on BOE, administration and PR over school level" and "rich/poor, white/black, D2 v D8, ED/NED" to B) "while we are doing ok at some things, we need to work on continuing to improve in those areas and we have a lot of work to do in other areas", "being fiscally responsible and spending funds in the schools" and "we need to focus on our commonalities and work together to build communities, improve parental involvement and increase stability." Part of building community support for schools and education is making schools a centerpiece of the community and building a feeling of community-school partnership. Back home, I don't remember hearing this "well I don't have kids in school, so why should I support schools" vibe. It was much more "schools and education are a centerpiece of our community and I'm part of the community, those kids are part of my community, so I'll support their needs" vibe. Of course, community involvement and support in general seems stronger there.

 

Good stuff ... I might vote

Good stuff ... I might vote for you :-) "Back home, I don't remember hearing this "well I don't have kids in school, so why should I support schools" vibe. "  

I think that comes with community ... and I don't mean the minority of people who have kids in school ... many here are transplants and just came for the job and will move on when the job ends .... So there is little interest in investing in anything local beyond their kitchen much less someone else’s kids since they are only here for a while ... I am guessing your hometown has not seen the Triangle's growth nor is as transient...

 

Hmm...

I don't think the growth here is all that transient -- sure, we all came here for good jobs, good climate and quality of life.  And, if the jobs disappear and go elsewhere, many will be forced to leave, but that's been true of every location in the country.

 What you do see, though, is a bunch of people who came from places with great schools in much smaller districts and they're in a bit of shock when they become familiar with the monstrosity that WCPSS has become.

Just as an example, most smaller school districts recognize that their main supporters are parents.  So, they go out of their way to be as parent-friendly as possible.  But, WCPSS is so large that it's really out of touch with the needs of families.  And, as a result, you see things like early-release Wednesdays, year-round calendars, constant reassignments, etc....  The original Forest Pines fiasco ("We'll put the temporary school where WE want it, not where the parents want it") is another example.

It's not just smaller school districts any more

There is a education reform and community schools movement going on right now, which recognize the importance parents. Many of those involved in those movements represent large districts, including NYC and Chicago.

You can do the next best thing :-)

Well, I'm not running at this time, but you can do the next best thing and vote for Goldman, Prickett, Malone or Tedesco :-) They get what the issues are and what needs to happen and they see the possibilities.

My hometown (on a much smaller scale than the Triangle) actually has seen periods of growth, and unlike the Triangle periods of decline, which means that there has been transience although maybe not as preplanned as for some here. If you think dealing with growth is tough, try rapid growth, rapid decline, strong growth, strong decline, decent growth, slow decline. For example, my HS was built for 650 but enrollment went to 1100 (then economy started to decline but voters approved a bond for additions anyway), then down to 800, then back to over 1100. One of those growth spurts included a new, large lower income Arab population that spoke little or no English and no one in town knew how to speak Arabic. A lot of the younger ones got a start in the pre-K program. The older ones to the 80% F&R school that is still meeting AYP. Did the teachers run screaming from the school? Nope, they worked through it. They have weathered the changes by keeping the right priorities and attitudes like focusing on can instead of can't and coming together as a community. There have been long time residents that have helped with that, but certainly newcomers have joined in.

While I agree that there are some here who are temporary, there are also many longer time residents and people who plan to stay. Actually, in my area of Wake turnover is very low. I do believe that sense of community can happen here, but we have to start by changing certain attitudes and assumptions that seem to divide.

So, I keep hearing about inequitable resources between different middle and high schools here. I know there will be differences with magnet v. non-magnet, but sounds like this is between different non-magnets. Can you help me understand how/why that is happening? My understanding is that resources are allocated based on enrollment and we are all one district so it's not like one school (outside of magnets) should be getting more funding per student. So, is it a matter of how/to what the schools are deciding to allocate funds or is it that they allocate things on enrollment without consideration of demand (i.e. each HS of X size gets 3 art classes that can have up to 30 students (i.e. 90 spots) regardless of whether 70 students or 120 want to take art)? Or are the differences in things that say the PTA helps fund? Also, please tell me that at least at the HS level they have enough textbooks for each kid.

Support the ADHS band by buying BBQ at their fundraiser tomorrow (10:00 - 5:30) - lunch orders of 6 or more plates will be delivered to area businesses or smaller orders can be picked up at the Swift Creek Community Center. I don't have a HS student, but I saw the signs they posted around the community. It does happen a little bit here :-)

Check this out D2!

http://news.mync.com/site/news/video/8209/Horace_Tart___Wake_School_Board/

*NBC has been alerted and this video has been pulled.  Let me sum it up quoting The "Indy" with its "confused" endorsement of Mr. Tart,

"HORACE TART, the incumbent, is a plainspoken fellow to the point of occasionally being tongue-tied or worse."

You'll get a taste of this when his 2 minutes runs in the near future on NBC!

I would also add that CMS

I would also add that CMS offers transportation to all magnets that are within your transportation zone and to any magnets that are countywide. WCPSS loves to point out that CMS transportation costs are more with neighborhood schools, but they are offering transportation to more schools than WCPSS does.

There are 4 'countywide' magnets (Brooks, Combs, Joyner and Wiley) in WCPSS that don't offer any transportation at all to significant portions of the county. Some other magnets offer express bus services to everybody but it appears that there are only 3 or 4 buses to serve the county.

They also have more magnet schools

They have 40 magnet schools (looks like 13 are county-wide transportation) compared to 32 for WCPSS (4 of which are county-wide).

And let us not forget that

And let us not forget that CMS has a much larger % of F&R students, who, as L'user12345 will attest, cost more to educate.

Can anyone spell AUDIT?

I just wonder how much of a scare tactic - or case of denial - this specter of a tax hike is. It must be convenient to have a bully pulpit from which to impose your political story.

How about this....Considering the generous padding in the existing budget how much could be raised simply by being more sensible about spending the dollars we already have? If we have a board that is willing to put education first, maybe we could, - oh, I don't know - do without the $5 PR budget? That should easily cover the 3.3 million they didn't expect to have.

While we're at it, why don't we just do an audit and find out how that $154Million for the Auxilliary budget is REALLY being spent. Afterall, if you look a that item in the budget, there is nothing concrete there, just pie in the sky 'goals' to which the money will be applied. Heck, after an audit we might be able to cut taxes. Oh, and maybe buy some books?  

Would someone please get a

Would someone please get a bulletin on this sent to Lois Nixon?

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T. Keung Hui covers Wake schools.

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