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Forcing a vote on not segregating schools

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The Wake County school board majority may have passed its community schools resolution but it may have been boxed into a bad PR position by the board minority.

As noted in today's article, the board passed the resolution by a 5-4 vote after rejecting most of the amendments proposed by the minority. But one amendment that was turned down could be a PR nightmare for the board majority.

Board member Carolyn Morrison put the majority in the position of having to vote for, or against, “a plan that ensures that schools will not become segregated.” The amendment was voted down 5-4.

“The eyes of the nation are upon us,” Morrison said.

Morrison also pointed out that the amendment might reassure the state NAACP, which has threatened to sue Wake.

Board member Keith Sutton said the amendment would go a long way toward demonstrationg Wake is adopting a voluntary segregation plan to comply with getting federal magnet grants.

But board member Debra Goldman questioned the lack of parameters to the amendment.

Malone argued that the term segregation was being used politically, which Sutton denied.

Sutton said passing the amendment would show that the district isn't supporting either racial or economic segregation.

Baord member John Tedeso sharply disagreed with the charge that ending the diversity policy will lead to resegregation.

“That doesn’t happen today," Tedesco said. "The fact is, the laws of the state of North Carolina and the federal government are sufficient to make sure that does not occur.”

Tedesco questioned the lack of a definition for what would constitute segregation. He argued the high poverty levels now in place at some schools under the diversity policy might be considered segregated.

But Morrison's amendment wasn't the first attempt by the minority members to slow down or modify the resolution.

The first attempt was an amendment from Sutton that would have essentially replaced the wording of the original resolution. The most contentious part was the wording saying that "the Board will eliminate high concentrations of low-income students in schools, which disproportionately has a negative effect on the achievement of African American and Latino students."

Tedesco said he couldn't support continue using the use of socioeconomic diversity in student assignment.

The amendment fell 5-4.

Then Anne McLaurin introduced a motion to send the resolution to the policy committee for a review. That too fell 5-4.

The third attempt was a motion from Morrison to amend to the resolution saying that prior to adopting to any changes or before moving forward with a new assignment plan, the board will hold a series of stakeholder meetings to discuss student achievement in each proposed assignment zone.

Tedesco argued the resolution already calls for hold stakeholder meetings.

The amendment is defeated 5-4.

Tedesco proposed a variation of Morrison's motion saying that the plan would be presented at public hearings before adoption. This amendment passes 5-4.

Sutton then pops out another amendment calling for a work session "to review data, cost analysis, and other information related to future student assignment policies" before adopting any policies which revise the student assignment policy. This is voted down 5-4.

It's now board member Kevin Hill's turn to propose an amendment. His says that prior to adopting the final assignment model that the board must first consider a full assement of all costs. One of the things it would look is the cost of any additional expenses associated with the creation of high p-poverty schools.

Hill's motion fails 5-4.

Undaunted Sutton pulls out another "handy dandy amendment.'

"I’m trying hard to get you to say yes to something," Sutton.

Goldman walks over to Sutton's seat and jokingly asks if he has typewriter by him.

This latest motion calls for amending the resolution to say that "the Board will not create any high poverty schools, defined as 75 percent or more of students meeting the district's definition of poverty."

Tedesco says he can't support it because the community needs to get out of the mindset that low-income kids are different and can't learn as well.

Sutton argues that low-income children "are worthy and require our special attention and effort.”

Tedesco retorts back that all children deserve our attention. He says the current system leads to low expectations for poor kids.

The motion died 5-4.

Next comes an amendment from McLaurin that she says everyone can agree on. She calls for the resolution to be amended to say that it will lead to "a plan that provides all students at all schools with an equal opportunity to a sound basic education."

Board member Deborah Prickett says “I am proud to support something from the U.S. Constitution.”

People shout out from the audience that the wording from McLaurin's amendment is from the state constitution. One person shouts out "idiot."

McLaurin's amendment passes unanimously, leading right into Morrison's segregation amendment.

I'll post all the amendments later.

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Hogwash!  I could easily

Hogwash!  I could easily make a case that as a poor "white guy" of his age, he had far less help or opportunities than any "black guy" of similar age.  Minorities have far more scholarship opportunities (for one example) than "white guys" of similar economic circumstances.  He also can't jump as high....so get over you victomhood!  Pulling yourself up is hard, he did it and you and every other Black and Hispanic person have no idea how difficult or easy it was for him unless you lived it. 

FYI, I was a "white guy" defensive back in college who was offered no scholarship and was forced to "walk on" and beat out 5 "black guys", all of whom had FULL scholarships.  P.S. Started every game for 3 years (after my walk-on/scout team/get the snot beat out of you for free year), finally go my full ride and was the only one of the six of us DB's in that recruiting class that graduated.  This "white people" have it so easy garbage is really starting to stink.  We ALL have hurdles to over come.  NO ONE gets a pass.   

Is that why you hate Blacks

Is that why you hate Blacks so much ... because of college football?

Actually, because of Pop

Actually, because of Pop Warner, HS and college football, I have made (and kept) many black friends over the years.  I don't hate black people or any other "kind" of person, I just hate excuses.  The vast majority of blacks and whites that make it to that level don't make excuses.

You are really

You are really sick!!!!!!!!!!!

lest someone get the wrong idea...

you might want to clarify who you mean  :^)

I mean User1234's comment to

I mean User1234's comment to sheartw is "really sick".  He/She is a race baiter and hate monger and I really cannot stand the way he thinks!  Clear enough?

thanks...

That's what I figured   :^)

A baiter

that's it! I've been trying to come up with a word for him, but you've nailed it!!  Sealed

glad to oblige....

glad to oblige....

Do I have the right of it Mr. Shearer?

The forward plan is there for everyone to see.

There are absolutely no plans to provide anything beyond the school, the teacher and, per addition from Red_balloon, security?

This provision of basic services only is based on the hypothesis that to do anything more introduces stereotyping with negative effects that outway any possible benefits.

And it's cheap.

Results

allkidsfirst, If as you claim "all kids learn better in an economically diverse school" then WCPSS test scores and graduation rates over the past 10+ years should have shown progress every year? How do you explain these indicators are in decline after 10+ of a policy that as you claim improves the learning enviroment for all students?

“That doesn’t happen today,"

Harry_Moncelle

By his statement regarding segregation within the Charlotte Mecklenburg Schools he  demonstrates his uncanny ability to engage in “magical thinking”.   From their actions the board majority follows the old adage “don’t confuse me with the facts I’ve made up my mind”.  The majority has disregarded sound educational research that links SES with student achievement.

  It is a shame that the educational opportunities of the children of Wake County are now at the mercy of folks who are not open to documented educational facts.  This majority will subject OUR children to their ideas of reality one based on an ideology rather than rational fact.

 

Always with the questions

Your response technique aside, one interesting release which just adds to the mix in Wake comes from the US Census, dated March 19, stating

Raleigh and Austin are Fastest-Growing Metro Areas
Raleigh-Cary, N.C., and Austin-Round Rock, Texas, were the nation’s fastest-growing metro areas between 2007 and 2008, according to July 1, 2008, population estimates for the nation’s metropolitan and micropolitan statistical areas and counties released today by the U.S. Census Bureau.
Raleigh-Cary saw its population climb 4.3 percent between July 1, 2007, and July 1, 2008, to 1.1 million. Similarly, Austin-Round Rock experienced a 3.8 percent increase, to 1.7 million. These two large metro areas were among 47 of the 50 fastest-growing areas located entirely in the South or West.

Independent of impacts of the diversity policy, having the fastest growing metro area in the nation had some impacts on student assignments and student performance for the 18th largest district in the nation during this period.

Sorry to ask so many

Sorry to ask so many questions?  If your theories are so sound they should be able to withstand a question or two. When you make comments that say education is impoved and statistics show a system in decline I am not going to believe you. Continuing to say something is working over and over doesnt magically make it so. The WCPSS own statistics show the system is in decline but and the minority on the board says "lets do more of the same"

so, did you not hear Kevin

so, did you not hear Kevin Hill tell Tedesco during last night's meeting that test scores across the board in WCPSS are on the rise? the drop out rate has declined as well, fyi

Drop out rates

These drop out rates the district is crowing about are, in miniature, the same drama that encompassed the district between the great 2003 graduation and achievement gap figures and the present disaster. 

We did something good and worthwhile and then dismantled it.  Seem familiar?  Between 2005 and the present we let the new administration tear this entire system apart.  This current debate is simply the just desserts of that mismanagement.  Its always more rewarding to be seen working towards and achieving these goals than maintaining them.

The district is so pleased that they got improved rates last year.  They are crowing like roosters.  In my opinion these rates are the result of several years of hard work with the alternative school (Milburn) and the transition counselors throughout the district. 

But since those figures were achieved E&R has "evaluated" and trashed the alternative school and the district closed it.  And now the transition counselors are gone. Next year's drop out rate will be driven by actions ratified by the old board and it looks to be abyssmal.  But I predict  there will be plenty of folks who will want to pin this new rate on the incoming board.  When we see the new rates for next year, please remember who threw those kids away - E&R and the Burns administration.

Couldn't hear much of

Couldn't hear much of anything except the people behind me yelling and making rude comments.

I heard him. And I was next

I heard him. And I was next to a shouter. Though I did shush him a few times.

I think I know who you're

I think I know who you're talking about.  I've talked with him twice and he was a nice guy.  He just gets pretty riled up.  :-)

Huh?

I don't believe I said anything more than adding the information that having the highest urban growth in the US as reported by the US census could have had some negative impacts as well.  

Can you point to an instance where I have ever indicated that "education is improved" by diversity?   

Ahh....High growth can have

Ahh....High growth can have positive impacts as well, such as increased tax revenue, etc.  If you don't like high growth, try going in the opposite direction.

?

So if  "education isnt improved by diversity" why is it major part of the Education Policy?

It's not any longer, is

It's not any longer, is it?   Time to move forward.

In agreement

I agree !!!!

Just To Be Clear

Your first sentence is illogical nonsense on at least two grounds.  First, the fact that kids "learn better" in diverse schools would not in any way logically imply perpetually increasing rates - in mathematical terms you're trying to claim a higher value of f(x) implies a positive value of the derivative of f - which is pure nonsense.   Secondly even if that part were true, your implication requires that we have increasing rates of diversity over the last "10+ years".....which is of course, not rue because it's in large part a function of things like the economy, demographics and really bad activist Supreme Court decisions.

 

Logical

Thanks you have proven my point. You cannot link diversity to performance. So we must control the economy, demographics and the Supreme Court to improve student performance?

Again

you are making absurd conclusions that are unrelated to what's actually being said.

 

Care to try again?

Supreme Court

Not now allkids...on the phone with the Supreme Court trying to straighten out this education problem...thanks for the list I will work on all of them!!!

Absurd?

You mean like your name calling, foul language and spoiled brat attitude?

wrong question

The problem is not with the diversity policy. Why make diversity the scapegoat? Killing diversity will not make test scores better, it will make them WORSE. How is isolating in the poor in high poverty schools supposed to improve test scores for these kids. That's the question you should be asking yourself. Eliminating diversity will make the scores worse.  High poverty schools don't work. If you think scores are bad now, just wait until we concentrate these kids high poverty schools. 

Not eliminating diversity

Leaping logic again. The board did not get rid of diversity. Most parts of our communities are largely diverse. The board got rid of one narrow interpretation of diversity that was not working and could not be adhered to. It doesn't mean that other interpretations won't come into play.

This is really starting to bug me. Getting rid of Policy 6200 DOES NOT EQUAL getting rid of diversity. Policy 6200 does not equal diversity. Diversity is a much broader concept. 

If you want to come up with a term that Policy 6200 does actually represent how about something along the lines of the 'at-risk assignment policy' or the 'healthy schools assignment policy'.  Something more specific would make the discussions clearer. 

Good point about lack of definition

Diversity in our conversations about the recent board resolutions means to me, income (or class) as one factor in student assignment. The goal of that policy is to keep any school from having an overwhelming percentage of poor kids. The underlying assumption is that economic diversity leads to higher student performance for everyone in the classroom. (We have heard from a number of peer-reviewed academic reports that this is manifestly and objectively true.)

I understand that many people jump to racial diversity because income and race map pretty closely in the United States. But the policy is explicitly about income. 

In those studies

In those studies how were the diverse schools being accomplished? Were they all schools from school systems that bus for SE balancing like WCPSS? Were those schools in the studies from growing areas and thus required frequent reassignments to maintain/create a certain diversity level in each school? In those studies what is considered a "diverse" versus "non-diverse" school? 

Then the question is why is there no clear correlation here in Wake County? I guess I'm wondering if it is an apples to apples scenerio. For example, if the schools in the study are not subject to instability and bussing then we need to factor that into the conclusions. In other words, is it possible that in Wake the challenges of the instability and distance factors that are a by-product of the process to create some of the SE balance in a high growth environment and in a geographicly large district may offset the benefits of SE balanced schools for some students as compared to the study group of schools?

spoken like someone who has

spoken like someone who has had no experience attending a high poverty school, Sarah; you're defining diversity as racial; WCPSS defines it as socioeconomic - big difference!

btw, during your comments yesterday, I believe you said that students' economic status is used to place them in classes. However, as was explained during the Great Schools in Wake forum last weekend, teachers and principals do not have access to this information at the time of placements, so how can that be a consideration?

i wonder

I wonder how many people really understand that.  Certainly the Enloe parade doesn't.  The dead silence during your and Ms. Walters' 2 minute talks yesterday lead me to believe that few people really do.  

Of course, thanks for nothing, N&O - they do everything they can to perpetuate the 'diversity' label. (this blog notwithstanding) 

Worse

This is the next arguement "without this things would be worse than they currently are" That is a tough position to defend. I want to make things better not keep them from getting worse. I am going to try that "Honey I know I slept with 3 other women but looking back it could have been worse!"

OT- OUCH

http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/7291842/

Charlotte -Meck to lay off 600 teachers in the coming year. Budget cuts. Also across the board pay cuts for some

What a shame

Just talked to my brother in VA. Beach. They're avoiding this type of action by reducing the school year by 3 days (of course, I think they had 183 days to begin with).

So Tedesco wouldn't call

So Tedesco wouldn't call what's happening in Charlotte "segregation?" Howard Manning called it "academic genocide." I think either label fits.

I can't believe people think the diversity policy leads to low expectations. Not true. It is NOT that poor children can't learn. The data shows they learn better, actually all kids learn better, in an economically diverse school.

Wrong reference

Someone else can correct me here, but I think you have the wrong reference. I believe that Judge Manning's 'academic genocide' reference was for Halifax schools. He heard a case to decide whether the state needed to intervene in Halifax schools because the graduation rate for poor and minority children was about 64%. He called that academic genocide.

Please note that in Wake County it is 54%. 

Manning

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4763304/

"This is academic genocide and it must be stopped," Judge Howard Manning
wrote Monday in a letter to the school system notifying it of the April 29 court hearing. "It is
time for the state of North Carolina … to exercise direct command and
control over the Halifax County Public Schools."

Manning cites
poor end-of-grade reading test scores in the school system, which he
describes as "nothing less than an academic disaster."

On the
elementary school level, 71.3 percent of students are not proficient in
reading, and 74.3 percent of middle-school students are not proficient
,
Manning said in his letter.

"This is irrefutable evidence of a
complete breakdown in academics in Halifax County Public Schools,"
Manning said.

The current Policy 6200 does

The current Policy 6200 does lead to low expectations. Instead of effectively teaching the ED children, policy 6200 assumes that these children are incapable of learning and move them from school to school.  These children deserve much more than to be used in a sick game of 'shuffle the F&R'.  The majority is addressing the root of the problem and educating instead of busing.

Do you have evidence for repeated reassignments of ED kids?

If you can prove to me that the same ED kids are being reassigned repeatedly to high performing schools--with the goal to hide their underperformance--I will accept your argument. And if I accept your argument, you will have convinced me to abandon my support for economic status as one factor in the assignment process.

But if you do not have solid evidence, you agree not to make this claim again on this blog.

Is it a deal?

"Instead of effectively

"Instead of effectively teaching the ED children, policy 6200 assumes that these children are incapable of learning and move them from school to school." 

how do you figure?

Remember that if you are

Remember that if you are poor, you have to travel to an affluent school to get a good education ... affluent schools are where all the resources are like AP classes ...

Yep, it is a long ride to

Yep, it is a long ride to Enloe, Ligon, Hunter, etc.

Those are on the chopping

Those schools are on the chopping block and the resources to be sent to the affluent OTB schools.

I think CC meant that the

I think CC meant that the offerings are already available in the backyard. So, if they can't get to them now, isn't that an issue?

I took CCs comment to mean

I took CCs comment to mean the ITB minorities did not need to venture OTB because they could go the former magnet schools that use to be good before the new board dismantled them and distributed the resouces OTB.

Are you getting enough

Are you getting enough fiber? 

 My point was that right now those courses
are available closeby.  If they are not getting access to those courses, let's go figure out why.

You seem to view the beltline as the Great Wall of Raleigh.  To me, it is just a road (which they keep renaming with different numbers).  You rail against any proposals of assignment zones, yet you have constructed a very rigid boundary of your own.

I'd recommend you read Sneetches by Dr. Suess.

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