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Explaining the reasons for the year-round school changes

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The issue of whether siblings could be accommodated on Track 4 decided which Wake County year-round schools would make the move to a single track for the next two school years.

Click here for this handout that shows how the 14 underutilized year-round schools were evaluated by staff. Inability to accommodate siblings was cited for eight of the nine schools as to why a move to a single-track year-round calendar wasn't considered feasible.

Laura Evans, senior director for Growth and Planning, said inability to accommodate siblings reflected challenges caused by moving multi-track year-round schools to a single-track calendar.

Since schools making the move to single track would operate only Track 4, they had to make sure that the feeder middle schools or elementary schools were either on the traditional calendar or had enough Track 4 seats to accommodate siblings.

In addition, Evans said there was another wrinkle for middle schools when it came to teacher certification. Most middle school teaching teams have four teachers, one certified for each of the core areas. You can also have two-teacher teams as long as the teachers are certified to teach more than one of the core subjects.

Evans said some middle schools just didn't have enough teachers with the right certification to handle the changes.

For instance, Evans said they were able to recommend moving Rand Road and Timber Drive elementary schools to a single track because North Garner Middle plans to aggressively adjust its teaching teams to accommodate Track 4 siblings.

As for Alston Ridge and Highcroft, Evans said things were a little easier because they feed into Mills Park Middle, which is on the traditional calendar.

The only school that didn't have a sibling issue but still wasn't recommended for a change was Wakefield Elementary. The reasons cited there were immediate crowding, projected growth in the planning area and the potential for out-of-base students to return to increase crowding. More than 200 kids in the base don't go to the school.

The sheet lists Wakefield's projected enrollment at 693 students with a single track/traditional-calendar capacity of 713. But Evans said so many students have registered at Wakefield that there are already above 713 students for next year.

Let's look at the five schools that were recommended and approved for the change: Alston Ridge, Highcroft, Lake Myra, Rand Road and Timber Drive elementary schools.

The sheets show they're all projected to be below their single-track capacity next year, can accommodate siblings, have a high staff survey approval rates for going to Track 4 and their principals support the change.

One difference among the five schools is that Highcroft is listed as being projected to be over 100 percent of capacity within the next five years. During yesterday's board meeting, Evans said staff felt Highcroft could "survive" being on a single track for the next two years.

The evaluation form also lists what percentage of parents, among those who responded, who said they're likely to transfer out. David Holdzkom, assistant superintendent for evaluation and research, said people are more likely to say on a survey they'll do something than actually do it.

The sheet also lists the projected savings for each of the five schools with the largest being from Highcroft. Chief Business Officer David Neter said the savings come from lower staffing, utilities and transportation costs.

Superintendent Tony Tata said the change would be for two years instead of just one because that's what the principals at the five schools wanted. Tata said the principals didn't feel it would made sense to go through all these changes just for one year.

The two-year pilot became an issue because school board member John Tedesco asked about the possibility of only doing it for one year at Timber Drive.

Tedesco said Timber's underenrollment stems from the policies of the old board. The walk zone around Timber isn't assigned to the school with staff explaining that's because it had opened as an all-application school.

It appears that Tedesco expects a lot of the people who live near Timber to try to go there under the new student assignment model. The new plan would go into effect in 2012-13 but the pilot would still be in effect then.

Tedesco didn't raise any issues about changing Rand Road.

School board member Chris Malone said he hadn't gotten any reaction from people about changing Lake Myra. He said supported the staff recommendation.

School board chairman Ron Margiotta said he was all for changing Alston Ridge and Highcroft. He said the lack of enrollment at the schools had limited what they could offer students.

There are still a lot of details to resolve.

For instance, the principals have to set up a fairly large intersession program in July now that no students will begin class on Track 4 until Aug. 1. Tata said they felt they needed to do this because they were making the change so late in the process with families who thought they'd be starting class July 11 on tracks 1, 2 and 3.

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Tata should've been better prepared

Tata should've been better prepared before giving many parents more false hope that things would actually change for some of us. He wasn't and once again many of us pay a price of continuing to be divided.

If the point of 'accommodating on track 4' is the problem, then there's going to be plenty more problems & unhappy parents when they get to middle school to be told NO, you can't be on track 4 any longer EVEN IF you fought to stay on it, and did, almost your kid's entire ES career.

You were forced to take this crap and deal with it or pick an undesirable school that was deemed so by the last SOBs. Your neighbors, the ones who stayed, are all on different tracks, your school's under capacity, but we don't give a rip. Sorry, wait another year and see what happens when we release our plagiarized assignment plan and then you can once again fight to keep some order of consistency and sanity for your family. But if it doesn't work out oh well.

We're Wake County. Land of 1000 excuses.

Sorry Tata, you screwed this one. Same for the dysfunctional board.

    "There are a lot of

 

 

"There are a lot of underenrolled YR schools around the county because the district converted schools before they needed to be converted.  I'm not entirely sure why, but I think it had something to do with public relations"

According to Patti Head, the ultimate goal was to go year-round all the way. Nothing would stop the headstrong board members (except for Ron M.) of that day. Their enrollment projections were inaccurate, they ignored data about increased costs, they failed to heed warnings of impending divisiveness and even hostility among neighborhoods, teachers, administrators, etc., they refused to take seriously months and years worth of intense study showing very clearly that what they did had not worked anywhere else. Good grief - they didn't even believe their own findings!!

I'd better stop before my frustration level rises (even though I could go on and on).

 

Wakefield Elementary

Bob S - I would be interested to hear your take on Wakefield.  Hill has been criticized for not supporting  to change Wakefield back to traditional and now Evans comes out with projected over crowding. 

So....

I commented on this on the other thread. Few points:

1. The situation has changed in the last few months with a new apartment complex that was specifically assigned to WES even though it's not in the school's base assignment area. When Hill opposed the conversion, this wasn't on the radar. The apartment complex could be assigned to Rolesville ES (WES' traditional calendar option) and that problem would go away.

2. TWO HUNDRED students have opted out of WES -- that's huge and, I think, only includes transfers to other wcpss schools and not the folks who have gone to Thales. The school has serious issues, and the calendar is central to that.

3. The school has been seriously under-enrolled for 4 years, since it was initially converted. Kevin Hill voted for that initial conversion. Had he represented his district properly at the time, that would not have happened.

This probably lost Hill any remaining votes he had in Wakefield.

Heart of the matter

.The situation has changed in the last few months with a new apartment complex that was specifically assigned to WES even though it's not in the school's base assignment area. When Hill opposed the conversion, this wasn't on the radar. The apartment complex could be assigned to Rolesville ES (WES' traditional calendar option) and that problem would go away
 
 
Thank you for your input.  Does this not get to the heart of the matter ?  Forest Pines is over crowded as it is and low an behold a new apt complex goes in - where to put the students ?  The suggestion to send them 10 miles away, crossing Capital Blvd and meandering the narrow roads does not appear to be a good alternative. Granted this was not specifically mentioned a year ago when Hill did not advocate changing the calendar - but this example serves to illustrate how quickly things can change. While housing developments and apartment complexes can go up in a year, it takes years to plan for and build schools.  
 
I understand your comment about being "under enrolled" but if any of us had a crystal ball we could give up our day job. Look at it a different way - what is important proximity or stability. I have seen some posts that think it is not a big deal to flip flop calendars for a school. My teacher friends tell me otherwise and I am sure the parents would not be to thrilled either.  While I do not speak for Hill, my guess is all you have to do us look at the Wakefield corridor and all of changes and it is not a stretch to figure out the school situation will be changing and the best chance to offer stability to the existing parents is to leave things the way they are.
 
In a growing area student assignment is a no win - there is no solution that pleases all.
 

Interesting....

Rolesville is the traditional calendar option for Wakefield, and this apartment complex is closer to it than the rest of WES' base area.  If that school is a bad choice for this apartment complex, it's an even worse choice for the WES tradtional calendar option.  Further,  if the assignment were made to Rolesville BEFORE people started living there, then they wouldn't have had a right to complain.  

I agree that switching calendars isn't a great thing -- I had mixed feelings about the potential switch; if it had been to a traditional calendar, there would have been a lot of support.  (You should have seen the email chain light up when that rumor was spreading.) 

There are a lot of underenrolled YR schools around the county because the district converted schools before they needed to be converted.  I'm not entirely sure why, but I think it had something to do with public relations: they had just had a bond that contemplated year-round conversions, so they did the conversions at the first opportunity instead of waiting until they were needed.**  It should have been a clue when the number of students enrolled at Wakefield actually went down in the conversion.

(**How do we know?  If you recall, the bond had three options: (1) big, and convert no schools, (2) smaller, and convert some schools (3) no bond, and convert all schools.  Had the district chosen item (1), then in the fall of 2007, they would have had exactly the same schools that they had that fall (b/c not enough time to build more), but they would have all been on traditional calendars.  And all the students would have fit.)

In 2007, the school district (1) converted WES' calendar, (2) reassigned a bunch of students in/out of Wakefield, and (3) assigned a new Principal.  Before that, the school used to be an Honors School of Excellence, with involved parents and an active PTA.  Today, it's a School of Progress that hundreds have fled and might not even have a PTA next year.   Anger is simmering, mostly directed at Kevin Hill; there's no surprise that Losurdo lives in Wakefield -- if she didn't run, there were a dozen other residents who would have.  

Interesting under enrolled YR

There are a lot of underenrolled YR schools around the county because the district converted schools before they needed to be converted.  I'm not entirely sure why, but I think it had something to do with public relations: they had just had a bond that contemplated year-round conversions, so they did the conversions at the first opportunity instead of waiting until they were needed.**  It should have been a clue when the number of students enrolled at Wakefield actually went down in the conversion.

In hindsight it would seem that schools were converted before they were needed. However, keep in mind that we were adding 6-7k students a year. If that trend had continued there would be a different discussion. Growth rate in the last two years has averaged 2%, the lowest of at least the last 18 years.   I  believe  the district was under pressure to convert schools to make good on conditions securing the votes for the bond issue.  Doesn't that fall under - fulfilling the will of the voters ?  A common justification these days.  I also remember Locke publishing results of a survey that 70% of the taxpayers supported year round if it resulted in no tax increase.  So another side effect of the community unwilling to support public schools. 

 

I Didn't Vote

for the bond because of the YR provision.  I voted because I knew we need more schools!   I wonder how many voters really cared about YR when they voted?

Neither did I, nor will I next time

because as of today Mr. Tata thinks it's more important to worry about aligning tracks than to save the millions being wasted at under capacity YR schools.

Well...

What would the district have done if the school board and commissioners had decided to go for a bigger bond, one that didn't require converting any schools?

Clearly, no schools would have been converted.  However, that bigger bond wouldn't have constructed a single school by Fall 2007.  How would the district have managed?  Why couldn't they have done the same thing with the bond that was approved, but only converting schools as needed?   

I suspect the old board *WANTED* to convert schools to year-round -- they thought it was a good idea.  There's been a sea change; there's now general acceptance that year-round schools are inferior, but that they're sometimes necessary for capacity or cost issues.  In 2007, the then-board really liked them.

Inferior

There's been a sea change; there's now general acceptance that year-round schools are inferior,

Inferior in what way ? Achievement ?  Summer vacation ?

 

 

What would the district have done if the school board and commissioners had decided to go for a bigger bond, one that didn't require converting any schools?

Clearly, no schools would have been converted.  However, that bigger bond wouldn't have constructed a single school by Fall 2007.  How would the district have managed?  Why couldn't they have done the same thing with the bond that was approved, but only converting schools as needed?  

Good questions - let's ask the Conservatives why they were insisting on Year Round schools in exchange for support of the bond.  
 

No....

Inferior in what way ? Achievement ?  Summer vacation ?

I don't think the perception is that fine-grained.  It's sort of like "Eww...  Why would you want to do that"?   Year-round schools are sort of the red-headed stepchild.  And, it's not a universal perception -- some people really like the schools.  

But, heck, look at how we're talking about them here.  Expressions like "The district was forced into doing this" "they had to do it" and so on.  Nothing like "The following schools each get to go to a year-round calendar!  Aren't they lucky?  Don't you wish your school could be year-round?  Well, call your board member."

As to your last comment, I think you're talking mostly about the Taxpayers Ass'n and that crowd -- the old-line conservatives.  I thought they were full of @@#$%@ then, and I think they're still full of @$##$.  Only now they're hypocritical too, because they're attacking the minority for doing exactly what the WCTA wanted them to do!   Couldn't agree more.  But, I think they're a dying breed. 

Eww

I don't think the perception is that fine-grained.  It's sort of like "Eww...  Why would you want to do that"?   Year-round schools are sort of the red-headed stepchild.  And, it's not a universal perception -- some people really like the schools.

To each his own, but the toothpaste is out of the tube just like wider acceptance of home schooling and charters. So we are where we are. Then the question is how to go forward.  Has there been a study of  what the situation would look like if everyone went to their neighborhood school and all schools were 'traditional'  ? I recall seeing an estimate of what it would look like if everyone went to their closest school but don't recall if  an impact was provided assuming all YR were converted back to traditional. The difference between where we are now and the traditional neighborhood school model would offer a glimpse of the cost to move towards the childhood model we are all familiar with. Would we have to build 5, schools, 10 school, no schools. Would we have to close some schools ?  This would be interesting to see.  
 

Margiotta is a card-carrying

Margiotta is a card-carrying member of the WCTA, and was even an officer at one time.  I suspect the other Republican board members are also affiliated with them.  I believe they are more powerful than ever before.  They have succeeded in defeating bond measures in the past, and now have helped elect Republican majorities on the school board, the county BOC, and, for the first time in a century, the GA, who all believe in cutting taxes to levels that will destroy government institutions.  That's why the Republicans on the school board refused to even request the same level of per-pupil funding from the CC's, and why they had the new superintendent meet the WCTA before any other group.   The Tea Party crowd are joining their ranks.  I do not believe they are a dying breed.  I do agree with you that they are hypocritical.

WCTA

So, that must have made for some interesting meetings, because my recollection is that Ron opposed the YR switch.

I think you're viewing the GOP as some sort of monolith -- it isn't.  The WCTA has its niche, the loosely-organized Tea Party has another.  (E.g., the WCTA is far more socially conservative; the Tea Party movement is largely focused on fiscal conservatism, but since it's so amorphous, you'll find lots of social conservatives there as well.)

Complaining about "destroying government institutions" isn't really an argument that's going to sway me -- I can list a dozen that should be destroyed, just off the top of my head.  But, local public education isn't one of them.

Yes, he and the WCTA opposed

Yes, he and the WCTA opposed YR once they realized they could take advantage of parental anger to put down the system as part of their agenda to dismantle public education.  Local public education is definitely one of, if not the main, government institution they want destroyed, by both fiscal and social conservatives.  They believe public education is a major source of wasteful spending and accuse public schools of "indoctrinating" students.  Just listen to Paul Stam, Kent Misegedes (not sure I spelled that right) and other buddies of Ron's.  Proposals currently making their way through this legislative session will accomplish their goal, if enacted.  That's why I just can't comprehend how people who do value public education can support and vote for those organizations and politicians.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

03.6+aopposed

Funny...

I can't understand how anybody who supports public education could support teacher unionization, considering the horrible effect of teacher strikes every place that they have that right.

Public education certainly does sometimes waste money.  Consider, for example, the effort in maintaining the Standard Course of Study -- there are 49 other states all doing the same thing; why does NC need its own people?   (Personally, I think individual districts should be able to select whatever curriculum they want -- don't like NC's?  Go with Georgia's, or Massachusetts' or a private curriculum.)   

As to indoctrination, everybody, D's and R's alike, try to use public schools to indoctrinate students.  Heck,  that's part of what the state curriculum is about (and why there are perpetual fights between the GA and the DPE.)

NC has never had unions of

NC has never had unions of any sort.  However, for the most part, states that do have unionized teachers perform much better than right-to-work states that don't, most of which are in the South.  Guess the effect of teachers having the right to strike isn't that horrible after all.

I don't think there is much waste left at all in public education after the funding has been so decimated at all levels over the past several years.  However, I agree that we need a national core curriculum, one of the few things I agree with Arne Duncan about.  However, it's the Republicans who advocate for more local control.

You haven't really answered at all my question about why people who value public education would support the very ones who are working to destroy it.

For those who aren't familiar with the history of public education in NC and how the current proposals seek to turn back the clock, this is worth watching:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK6grJJSflg&feature=youtu.be 

Heh....

You're inferring a causal connection from a correlation.  You know better than that.

I disagee with a national curriculum and find it odd that, in a post right after complaining about using schools for indoctrination, you propose that.   Can't you just see exactly what would happen: every special interest in the world would try to get their cause into the curriculum.  The movie industry would demand that 7th graders be taught that movie piracy is as bad as murder; PETA would want information about the benefits of vegetarianism; the AFL-CIO would demand that the history of labor be taught; the libertarians would want much more focus on Adam Smith; NOW would demand more women's history; the NAACP, more black history; etc.....    The end product would be a joke.

I want *less* Federal invovement in education, not more.  Education has always been controlled by the states. I'd prefer to see the Federal Dept. of Ed shuttered and its budget be given directly to states in block grants for education.

As to the "destroy it" question, I don't think that's really the case -- there are certainly hard-core libertarians who want to see public education completely privatized.  But, they're a small minority.  There are a lot more (include me in this) who think that some private involvement would be a good thing and, so, support things like charter schools.  There's a limit to where I'll go on that, though: the tax credit for private schools doesn't fly by me, because far too much will go to those already in private schools.  

There's a lot of hysteria about what various bills that NCGA members have proposed.  But, it's easy to write-up a bill; it's a LOT harder to get it passed.  Let's see what the GOP passes before we start passing judgment.

I'll check out the video tonight when I get a chance.

At the time of the bond I

At the time of the bond I remember FOWC (Friends of Wake County) pushing the bond and MYR big time...I don't recall WCTA being mentioned as a driving entity for YR until more recent years.  I could envision that they may have been, just have no direct knowledge that it was their actual position.  I also don't associate FOWC with conservatives, I thought they were liberal democrats for the most part.

FOWC had many Republicans,

FOWC had many Republicans, especially business people like the Chamber, who knew that another bond defeat would hurt the school system and the community.  The only reason they supported YR was because the WCTA had made it clear they would never accept a bond at the level required to keep all schools traditional.   WCTA members such as Russell Capps and Phil Jeffries had advocated for making all schools YR to save taxpaper money, and pushed the BOE and the CC to agree to the YR conversions in order to keep the bond at the lower level. 

Blood-suckers come in all

Blood-suckers come in all political parties -- Dems, Repubs, Unaffiliated, etc.  FOWC was powered by people and companies who make money off of growth.  If the bond didn't get passed, growth would suffer, period.  These are the same entities who would strongly oppose any kind of impact fee which would require growth to pay for itself.

From FOWC web site immediately before the election:  "Education is a cornerstone of our community, we're in this for the long haul."

Their web site went dormant three days after the bond passed.

LOL

and the blood suckers will change parties if it gives them the ability to continue sucking blood.

Do you consider the Raleigh

Do you consider the Raleigh Chamber of Commerce to be Republican?  I've always felt they had more of a liberal position and had more Democrats for members than Republicans.  Their recent venture with WEP into student assignment has certainly led me to believe they are more liberal than conservative.  The fact they followed Mayor Meeker's lead seemed to indicate the same. 

Of course the Chamber in

Of course the Chamber in greater Raleigh is mostly Republican, as it is most places.  Harvey Schmitt certainly is!  They have not had a liberal position by any definition that I know of.  Perhaps in the past they might have had more Democrats simply because until the past decade or so there were not very many Republicans at all in NC.  Business advocates understood the importance of maintaining strong, balanced public schools in Wake County to attract new business.

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How much money were some of those "friends" supposed to make off land purchases funded by that bond? I'd support it too if there was a commission at the end of the road.

Jim Goodnight, Ed Bonner, Billie Redmond, Virginia Parker -- all FOWC and all involved in the land deal.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2007/06/28/91172/school-land-purchase-defended.html

Absolutely!  FOWC was out

Absolutely!  FOWC was out in force speaking in favor of the bond and MYR.  Even the parent group that was originally against MYR shilled for the bond once their schools were removed.  The sentiment I heard over and over again was "if we don't vote for this bond, MYR will be worse", meaning that they would actually have to deal with MYR.  It was fine to throw others under the bus as long as it didn't affect them.

One of my favorite quotes was from Beverley Clark (rep prior to Morrison) who said that she was hearing overwhelming support for MYR from her constituents.  Yet NONE of her constituents were actually subjected to MYR. 

Bev Clark was just another of the liars

wasn't she.

just because you don't like it

There is no "general acceptance" that year-round is inferior.  On what are you baseing that statement?  The calender survey clearly showed that is not the case, as do the number of families trying to get into year-round schools every year.  With the trend nationally going towards a longer school year and longer school day you are going to have to accept that an almost three month summer vacation is going to go the way of the dinosauers.

go the way of the dinosauers? what's a dinosauer?

I don't hear of school districts going year round across the country in mass. Sure maybe there are 1 or 2 and if for whatever reason their school boards want to be delusional to think it will solve their problems let them have at it. They'll see the truth like most of the others who have tried it in the past and abandoned ship.

Someone should do a study on the chaos that's gone on here in Wake County. Tell them how it came about, the lies we were told, tell them about the lawsuit, the fights leading up to it, after it, during the appeals, the divided communities, the people who said screw it and left, the wasted millions, the growth fear mongers, how it destroys relationships, how the kids don't test any better than any other kid ...

I could go on, but why bother. People who want to keep pointing back to a survey that was as meaningless as the one Mr. Tata just ran past many of us just don't get it.

Heh....

Look again at the calendar survey.  Especially look at the responses from traditional-calendar schools.  Remember that there is a survivor bias when you look at year-round schools -- WES's responses, for example, don't include the 200+ who left to go someplace else.  (and, even then, switching back to a traditional calendar STILL won.)

I have only seen national talk, no actual movement to go to a 190- or 200- day school year.  But, note that if this does happen, YR schools go away -- they only work because you can run 4 tracks with 9-on/3-off.  If that 9 goes to 9.5 or 10, the YR calendar doesn't work.

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If I recall correctly from the calendar survey, over 1/2 of the respondents found tracks 2 and 3 unacceptable -- with almost 1/3 claiming those tracks were "very unacceptable". Further, almost 60% of those who responded said they would not continue with YR if they couldn't get the track they wanted.

Yeah but none of that stuff matters

because the surveys Wake County produces are irrelevant and only representative of a fraction of the real lives being destroyed by their failed policies.

So, other than surveys

So, other than surveys (which you seem to think are a creation of satan himself), how do you suggest a system as large and complicated as ours collect information about its constituents?

Close, more like Marilyn Manson

It's large sure, but the complication is mostly of the making from previous decisions and those who were elected. First thought that comes to mind, Debra Goldman seems to be another of those. But I digress.

As for collecting info, so Marilyn does a survey and 30, 40 maybe 50% respond on a good day. Your neighbor chose not to respond. Should your response dictate how your neighbor's kids are served because they were too busy and couldn't be bothered? If they don't respond do they get a say? Should they at that point?

As said below, elections are as good an indicator as you get my friend. If you don't like the results you bust yo' a$$ to change them 8 years later. If you do and no more gets accomplished than has in the last 2 years then you have a decision to make the next time around don't you Beautiful People.

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I'll help FS start a list.

1. Elections

What, someone you elect has

What, someone you elect has a mind meld with you? What if you elected someone and they were about to do something you didn't like. How are they supposed to know your opinion.

Also, the board is responsible for the schoolsystem, not the agendas of whoever elected them.

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"What if you elected someone and they were about to do something you didn't like. How are they supposed to know your opinion."

Well, first I'd dress like a pirate... wait, that's your tactic.

How are they supposed to know? I'd tell them. It's not really that difficult. And if they continued to do something I didn't like, I wouldn't vote for them again. Easy-peasy.

Wait, I never dressed like a

Wait, I never dressed like a pirate. Oh, thats right, you make assumptions about people with nothing to back it up.

If the way you explained right there was how a system worked, there wouldn't have been problems in the first place. Surveys, as flawed as they may be, continue to be used by legitimate organizations of every kind as a sort of intermittent democracy. Your side tends to see statistics as a sort of black art, unproven and mysterious. At least, when that reaction is what gives your argument crediblity.

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Sorry -- it's hard to know if you were actually dressed as a pirate when you were taking pictures of your friends dressed as pirates. I guess it's difficult to wear an eyepatch and use a camera. ;)

If the way you explained right there was how a system worked, there wouldn't have been problems in the first place.

What problems?

I'm not sure I understand what your beef is. Using surveys or losing an election?

What apartment complex? 

What apartment complex?  Where is it?

I agree that 200 is huge and it definitely doesn't count charter or private schools. 

I wonder how the new landfill school off of Durant is going to affect this area.  Last I heard it was on track to open in 2013. 

Apartment complex

It is directly across from the forest pines schools, near the Wakefield Harris Teeter.

wondering

How much did they say the intersession program will cost? (I'm betting they didn't say)

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