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Expanding parental choice options for 2010-11

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Revised wording and all, it looks like the floodgates will be opened to approve requests by families to get into and out of year-round schools this fall.

As noted in today's article, Supt. Del Burns said changing the wording in the resolution from "there will be no" MYR to "every effort will be made to eliminate" MYR doesn't impact the proposal staff made Tuesday.

Under the plan, all applications would be accepted during next month’s application period unless special education requirements can’t be met at the requested school. Crowding wouldn’t be used as a factor in limiting placement of students.

"We've effectively ended mandatory year-round," said school board vice chairwoman Debra Goldman in the article.

Staff is expecting a big increase in the number of year-round calendar applications approved. They're not so much anticipating an increase in traditional-calendar requests.

One of the touchier aspects of the changes is the staff recommendation to reassign more than 400 year-round application students to other year-round schools. The goal is to free up seats for the expected increased demand at Carpenter, Durant Road, Heritage, Morrisville and Oak Grove elementary schools and Heritage Middle.

The prospect of moving students worried some board members. But Asst. Supt. Chuck Dulaney said it needed to be done or else those schools would be very overcrowded from the increased number of application students

“There will be some crowding in the schools but without these changes there would be more crowding at the indicated schools," Dulaney told the board.

Dulaney said the moves are proposed independent of whatever school conversions are made, which would likely trigger additional moves.

School board member Deborah Prickett asked if they could delay the reassignments until after the board decides on calendar conversions for next school year. But Dulaney said he needs approval on Feb. 2 in order to know what calendar options to list when the applications go live Feb. 8.

Burns also said delaying adoption of the moves would make it harder to determine enrollment projections for schools next year. Those projections help determine staffing levels.

UPDATE

Click here for the handout from Tuesday's meeting. It details how staff will handle application requests and the application nodes facing reassignment.

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"School board member Deborah

"School board member Deborah Prickett asked if they could delay the reassignments until after the board decides on calendar conversions for next school year. But Dulaney said he needs approval on Feb. 2 in order to know what calendar options to list when the applications go live Feb. 8."

They should just do it like getting concert tickets or black friday speicals ... you camp out a few nights if you really want in ... who ever gets to the seat first gets it ... all this planning and estimating is tiresome ... give people the choice to stand in line if they really want a school or schedule that bad ...

Funny you mention that

I recently read an article on San Fran schools where it mentioned that is how they did it back in I think it was the 1990s. However, I think it also mentioned that one issue with the approach was that dual working or single parent poor families didn't have the luxury of taking off work to camp out.

 

However, I think it also

However, I think it also mentioned that one issue with the approach was that dual working or single parent poor families didn't have the luxury of taking off work to camp out.
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That's exactly what I was thinking.

AAHH new board same old WCPSS contradictions and inaccuracies

"One of the touchier aspects of the changes is the staff recommendation to reassign more than 400 year-round application students to other year-round schools. The goal is to free up seats for the expected increased demand at Carpenter, Durant Road, Heritage, Morrisville and Oak Grove elementary schools and Heritage Middle."

Note they are proposing this based on "expected increases" i.e. the WCPSS's own projected increases which have always been way off base.
Then there towards the end this statement

"Burns also said delaying adoption of the moves would make it harder to determine enrollment projections for schools next year. Those projections help determine staffing levels. "

Okay so they a reccommending this move based on projections but if they delay it -it will be hard to determine enrollment projections" and thus staffing levels

Is it any wonder this guy makes more than the governor and State Education leader!
He is laughing all the way to the bank. We need to collect all the stuff he has said and the results and put a book together!

Did you watch the COW meeting??

WHich BOE members disputed Burns or Dulaney in this discussion?

I hope they kept quiet

I hope they kept quiet because they are strategizing to bring their own list to be voted in 2/2.  C Dulaney has proven that he has an agenda and he has no business being involved in the future of WCPSS now that he is leaving.  He has wreaked enough havoc and done too much damage already.

Seems very fishy to me

So after last year's new "3 year assignment" plan it seems very odd that they would need to transfer any students the very next year especially in year round as they have so many that are under capacity. Also, I noted that this proposed re-assignment is NOT based on current over-crowding but on "projected over-crowding". I think everyone is aware how awfully inaccurate WCPSS projections have been. It does not seem to make sense to do this when we are looking at calendar conversions -rather than after.
Very strange I wonder what the story behind the story is?- Mr. Hui, would be interesting to see where these nodes are in relationship to the schools being transferrerd to and from.

Stacy123 - I agree, odd

Stacy123 - I agree, odd indeed, but apparently, the three year plan is currently null and void!  However, all the year round elementary schools listed, with the exception of Heritage, are all over 100% capacity.

Hmm

So, try looking at the following nodes that were reassigned to Centennial MS in the 2009-12 reassignment plan and are slated to get Dillard Drive MS as their TCA.

244.3, 244.5, 244.6 and 244.8 - are bordered by I-440, Capital, Atlantic and New Hope

58.2 and 497.1 - are in the I-440/Rock Quarry area

Dillard Drive is near the Crossroads Mall/US-1/I-440 Interchange area where Cary and Raleigh come together (and for those that see the word Cary and think certain things, this area is diverse in every sense) and is already overcapacity.

Is this the new definition of proximity and "every effort"? This case looks like the same old same old. I'm not sure how much interest there would be from people assigned to a modified calendar magnet to opt out to a non-magnet, but it is still troubling. This is why some people are concerned by just having the wording be "every effort."

The other Centennial nodes listed as Dillard TCA are in the Athens Drive area, which is in proximity to Dillard.

I'm sure you've already done

I'm sure you've already done this and don't need me to tell you, but write all the board members about this.  I agree that Dillard is not a reasonable distance for those people.  Although Centennial isn't so close in the first place.

This system is so screwed up.

Honest question. When you

Honest question.

When you write the board to protest other people's assignments - do you disclose who you are and where you live?  What do you say?  That you are concerned that they will have to drive too far and it will affect them? 

Do you try to find *at least 1**  person that actually lives in that area who asks that you write the letter? 

 

I absolutely disclose who I

I absolutely disclose who I am, my address and whose district I live in.  I tell the board what my concern is.  It is usually the distance travelled or the lack of public transportation to the specific school.  Sometimes I know people in those nodes, sometimes I don't.  I don't 'protest' assignments, I bring up issues and situations that the board may not be aware of.  I absolutely did protest the removal of Washington Terrace kids from Joyner because I knew some of those families and knew they didn't want to go.  They wree happy at Joyner and Joyner was already 'healthy'. 

I email each board member because frankly, I don't trust some of the board members to disclose all of the comments they get.  Another reason is that while one board member may not see something as an issue or problem, another one might.  Finally, the board cannot possibly go through the entire assignment plan with a fine tooth comb to see where the kids are going. 

Policy 6200 has several factors listed as being used to determine assignments.  Proximity, SES balance, feeder patterns, etc.  They haven't prioritized those factors.  They let Chuck D make the value judgements and they trust that he will make the best decisions.  I asked Chuck once how the board knows that he is giving them the plan that they ask for if they don't give him any priorities.  His response was that he was certain that the board carefully evaluated the assignment plan to make it sure it aligned with their goals.  I'm sorry but there is no possible way that this can happen.  These plans are so complicated, the school system is so incredibly huge and they simply do not have enough time to comb through this plan.

When the BOE did their review of magnet schools a couple of years ago, they had a 'matrix' that measured certain attributes of each magnet to determine how well the schools were fulfilling the goals of the magnet program.   The magnet office prepared this matrix.  One of the attributes  measured was how well the magnet reduced pockets of poverty.  They looked at how much the magnet program reduced the percentage of F&R at each school and rated the schools from 1 to 4, with 4 being the 'best' score.  Underwood Elem received a 4 on this because the base population was 71% and the school had an F&R of 31%--a significant reduction.  BUT, what the magnet office failed to mention and the BOE members failed to notice was the location of the base nodes.  Underwood is located in 5 Points--hardly a pocket of poverty.  2 very low F&R base nodes are adjacent to Underwood, and the F&R nodes are bused in from downtown.  Underwood's magnet program isn't reducing F&R.  It may be helping to fill seats at a school that would otherwise be underenrolled, but it is NOT reducing poverty in the base.  If the BOE members didn't notice this when they were only looking at 37 schools (former BOE member told me she didn't notice until after decisions were made), how can they possibly know what's going on with the system wide reassignment plans?  They can't.  

I've only sent to one so far

I've only sent to one BOE member, but can pass along to others although I'm sure with some it will be a waste of time.

I'm sure you're talking

I'm sure you're talking about the minority members on the Board. Perhaps you should direct it to the member who reps the area and then find out if there are efforts in the area to organize and oppose the assignment change.

The point of this one is

The point of this one is - are these particular proposed changes in the spirit of the Board's idea of "proximity" and "every effort"?

I was not referring to all members of either "side" as you see it.

My point was to provide the information, and yes, when I've communicated with the Board I've included information on my location.

This comes from the status

This comes from the status quo staff members who have no desire to be flexible or accommodating. I think the new board needs to come up with other recommendations and make changes as they see fit.

This comes from the status

This comes from the status quo staff members who have no desire to be flexible or accommodating. I think the new board needs to come up with other recommendations and make changes as they see fit.

This comes from the status

This comes from the status quo staff members who have no desire to be flexible or accommodating. I think the new board needs to come up with other recommendations and make changes as they see fit.

Thanks!

Thanks Keung! I have been on the WCPSS web site all morning trying to find this information - I guess I overlooked the obvious!

Keung - Question?

Keung, do you know where I can find the list of the application year round nodes that staff recommended for redistricting?

I'm posting now. Look at the

I'm posting now. Look at the end of the post.

What a mess!

The previous school board has made absolute mayhem out of this school district, now we will once again be faced with our children being redistricted in order to fill the year round school seats!

Don't Break Out The Pom Poms Yet

Your Choice of Seat - YR or TR - I do not see any guarantees, promises, warranties, or indication that parents will get the school of their choice.

Which essentially returns the ever spinning dial to something close to FYR - in that the District may be pickin' your seat for you still. Did I miss "the choice for a seat in your neighborhood YR school" or the choice for a seat out of YR and guarantee "a seat in the nearest neighborhood TR school".

Is this still what parents faced 2 years ago if parents tried to opt out of YR and into a traditional school - while we could walk to Olive Chapel, if we didn't want to go to year round, there was indeed a seat in a traditional calendar school - IT WAS PENNY ROAD and no transportation. The transportation part was added later.

Is this just a parental snow job by the District - just in new lingo!

Is this just a parental snow

Is this just a parental snow job by the District - just in new lingo!

If you believe it is a "snow job" then blame your new BOE majority. It is their words which define the intent and guidenance to WCPSS - and no matter what the district does- it is the vote of the new BOE that will matter.

PS:  For every action, there is going to be a re-action.

CHOICE!!

HOORAY FOR CHOICE!!

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T. Keung Hui covers Wake schools.
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